Prescriptions for psychotropic drugs for children has soared: (Clonidine, use increased the most! )
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -preciosa wrote: > All Star Gal <allstar…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:a%v2a.13126$tO2.1242029@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > "preciosa" <quarkgi…@nospam.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > > news:3e4a3f6c$1@usenet.per.paradox.net.au… > > > All Star Gal <allstar…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > > news:1B72a.10794$tO2.1052738@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > > > "preciosa" <quarkgi…@nospam.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > > > > news:3e48ab11@usenet.per.paradox.net.au… > > > > > About time the kids got some help. Kids have been neglected for FAR > > TOO > > > > > LONG. Blamed, called bad, lazy, useless, stupid, failures and told > > > > they’ll > > > > > never amount to anything. About time it was realised that most kids > > > want > > > > to > > > > > please and if they can’t, then something is possibly WRONG. > > > > > preciosa > > > > Forgive me, if I can’t quite grasp how having 6 million children > > > diagnosed > > > > as insane, psychotic and/or mentally ill is an improvement over their > > > having > > > > been percevied as lazy and stupid. > > > Are you suggesting that somehow being mentally ill is something to be > > > ashamed of? > > Nope > > I am suggesting being labeled mentally ill, is worse than being perceived > as > > lazy and stupic, because once a child is labled mentally ill, disabled, > > imparied, unable, handicapped, etc etc it the burden attaches to their > > being so is stigmatization, discrimination, abuse, mistreatment, > > neglect, and in general, consignment to the circular waste basket.
hold it folks been there done that and survived. I don’t say doping kids for just being kids is right but sometimes the kid needs some help learning basic skills. It’s up to us as elder members of this society to make certain they get the help they need. It’s not anything more than that and anyone who says other wise maybe could use a little antipsychotic to get rid of that paranoia they are suffering from. Denying a kid the help they require is stupid and destructive to both the kid and the society. Who makes the stigma to need help. It’s certainly not the people giving the remediation or the people who need the help but it is people like you who think there is something wrong with not being able to take to a traditional classroom environment. So if you think it is cruel to stigmatize children with disorders I suggest then you stop doing it get your back into it and help or get out of the way. Since we may not be perfect but at least the lot of us are trying to help these kids. Rather than judging the rest of us for our imperfect efforts to help them we are doing something which is much harder than sitting on your fat behind and criticizing the rest of us. It is a slap in the face to anyone who’s struggled through this system the way you pretend to be all superior to the rest of us now. It is a slap in the face to teachers and parents trying to raise these kids we’d all like to throttle at times but we love more than life itself. It is a slap in the face to people I’ve known who are better teachers and role models than I am who are not here to post to this newsgroup because they have more important things to do. I’m not good at this but at least I can do this for them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > All these parents, running to have their children dx’d with mental > illness, > > naive or indifferent to the the heavy burden they place on their children > > the minute they succeed in doing so. > Well I have bipolar disorder and my son is disabled. And I’ve never been, > nor ever will I be relegated to the WASTE BASKET, nor will my son. You are > very patronising, and very very ignorant of what living with any disorder is > all about. > Try carrying the burden of psychosis and dealing with chronic debt and rages > where you scream and shout and hurt other people? The burden of guilt, the > burden of unemployment, and low self esteem, the burden of having a degree > and being afraid to use it.
Remember all they can do is kill you ay. I’d imagine that’d be tough but you aren’t alone and if you didn’t know he’s trying to tick you up. We all have our struggles but we shouldn’t let them get the better of us. It sounds as though a little exercise wouldn’t be out of order for you it’ll make you feel better to go for walks or to the gym. Exercise will usually stop you from going crazy. Oh and remember this quote "I was going crazy. Yet I packed light as it would be a short trip." Also take everything you read in this ng with a huge bag of salt. Another trick is to whenever you feel that violent urge lash out at nonliving items also it would be better to do that in private so that no one sees you do it because you don’t want anyone to get scared when you attack a punching bag or a tree. It just isn’t something normies are acustomed to seeing and besides it’s bad manners around the rest of us too. It might scare the kids. I’d get yourself a large punching bag and put it somewhere you can hit it where guests or children don’t normally go or where you won’t be disturbed while you are coping with your urges. I think it’s like any other human needs like to get rid of waste, eat or sleep. As long as you never harm a living thing except if you are being attacked physically and cannot escape or some other very good reason it is perfectly ok and human to feel that way sometimes. > The burden of heavy debt. The burden of two > kids, different fathers. The burden of being out of control, not sleeping > and losing it. The burden of feeling inadequate and the burden of wanting > to die. The burden of watching your two year old come to you and ask what > is wrong when you are crying on the floor. How about being so grandiose > that you aren’t satisfied with anything you do?
Give yourself a break you have food for your children do you not? As well as clothing and warmth. You are doing your job as a parent to them which some people with fewer problems find difficult. You have a place to live your kids have food to eat and clothes on their backs and they care about other people so you are doing a great job. I know it’s hard but beating yourself up for being a human being is going to make it worse not better ok. So remind yourself that you are only mortal and that you have problems. As long as you do the best you can you won’t be a failure. I bet an athority figure told you that you weren’t good enough when you were a child if I’m not mistaken. You can decide to ignore that lack of love now because you aren’t a child anymore and you don’t have to listen to those ideas inside your head that if you were better then that authority might love you or at least not hurt you as much. As I’m no longer the child who got her mouth taped shut by a camp counselor or the chronically beat up and tormented child even though she was in my past my future is up to me and so is yours no matter what color you are or what affliction you have there is always hope for those who still believe and fight for it no matter what anyone thinks. In the end courage is fear that has said its prayers. So be not afraid that you are inadequate just keep living and take courage because you aren’t alone and you never have been alone. We’re here and so are other people who know where you’ve been because they have walked there themselves and are with you here now. If you die tonight how will you know if you could have seen the dawn if you just survived a little longer. One advantage of being down so far is that you can’t go down any further most likely and so life has to get better. Believe me I’ve been there several times. Every time the bottom drops out I’ve grabbed the side and drug myself back up somehow usually with someone else in toe as well as myself. So keep the faith and hang in there ok it gets better. Stop beating yourself up and admire what you’ve managed to get done. Enjoy your children and let them teach you things. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> How about believing that > you are a reincarnation of a queen and all your friends are your subjects > doing your bidding? Or maybe believing that you are a buddha. How about > believing that you are a dolphin and you need to go back to the sea? How > about the burden of knowing you are different and basically everyone knows > that you are weird. What about the burden of interpreting things the wrong > way and always feeling sad and hurt. The burden of feeling angry at nothing > and always overreacting. Constantly having to apologise because you LOST IT > AGAIN. The burden of knowing that you just can’t get it together no matter > how much you try because you always eventually lose it. > It’s not the label that is the burden, it’s the disorder itself. Being > called mentally ill is nothing compared to actually being mentally ill and > living with it!!!! The label is nothing. Nothing at all. > preciosa
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:16:29 GMT, "All Star Gal" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<allstar…@earthlink.net> wrote: >"preciosa" <quarkgi…@nospam.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message >news:3e48ab11@usenet.per.paradox.net.au… >> About time the kids got some help. Kids have been neglected for FAR TOO >> LONG. Blamed, called bad, lazy, useless, stupid, failures and told >they’ll >> never amount to anything. About time it was realised that most kids want >to >> please and if they can’t, then something is possibly WRONG. >> preciosa >Forgive me, if I can’t quite grasp how having 6 million children diagnosed >as insane, psychotic and/or mentally ill is an improvement over their having >been percevied as lazy and stupid.
Hey, you’re the one who’s insisting that children taking psychiatric meds (including low doses of tricyclics to control bedwetting) are "insane, psychotic, and/or mentally ill". Don’t blame preciosa for your own declarations. — Everything I needed to know in life, I learned in kindergarten. Like: when everyone is shouting for quiet, the room keeps getting noisier, until people, one by one, decide to stop shouting.
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All Star Gal <allstar…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1B72a.10794$tO2.1052738@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "preciosa" <quarkgi…@nospam.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > news:3e48ab11@usenet.per.paradox.net.au… > > About time the kids got some help. Kids have been neglected for FAR TOO > > LONG. Blamed, called bad, lazy, useless, stupid, failures and told > they’ll > > never amount to anything. About time it was realised that most kids want > to > > please and if they can’t, then something is possibly WRONG. > > preciosa > Forgive me, if I can’t quite grasp how having 6 million children diagnosed > as insane, psychotic and/or mentally ill is an improvement over their having > been percevied as lazy and stupid.
Are you suggesting that somehow being mentally ill is something to be ashamed of? preciosa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > All Star Gal <allstar…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:JcP1a.9111$1q2.904102@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > > X-No-Archive: Yes > > > Issue 59 07 February 2003 > > > Increased use of psychiatric drugs in children > > > Source: www.reutershealth.com, 14 January 2003; Archives of Pediatric > and > > > Adolescent Medicine 2003;157:17-25 > > > The number of prescriptions for psychotropic drugs for children has > > soared, > > > according to a paper published in the Archives of Pediatric and > Adolescent > > > Medicine. > > > Prescribing patterns > > > A group of researchers led by Dr Julie Magno Zito of the University of > > > Maryland in Baltimore, USA, studied nearly 900,000 children aged less > than > > > 20 years from two US states. The children received federal health > > insurance > > > (Medicaid) or an employer-based health maintenance organization (HMO) > > > insurance plan. Data were collected annually between 1987 and 1996 on > the > > > use of psychotropic drugs, such as alpha-agonists, neuroleptics, > > > antidepressants, and mood-stabilizing anticonvulsants. > > > Surge in prescriptions > > > The researchers made the following observations: > > > the use of psychotropic drugs increased by 200%-300% during the study > > > period, with the greatest increase occurring after 1991. > > > prescriptions for psychotropic drugs were more likely to be written for > > > children who received Medicaid than those who were enrolled in an HMO. > > > children in the Medicaid group who were taking psychotropic drugs tended > > to > > > be younger than those in the HMO group. The highest use of psychotropic > > > drugs in the Medicaid group was seen in children aged 10-14 years, > whereas > > > in the HMO group it was in children aged 15-19 years. > > > psychotropic drugs were more likely to be prescribed to males than > > females, > > > particularly in the Medicaid group. > > > the use of alpha-agonists, such as clonidine, which are used to treat > > > behavioral problems, increased the most. The number of prescriptions for > > > neuroleptic, antidepressant, and anticonvulsant drugs, which are used to > > > treat disruptive and violent behavior in children, also increased. > > > Possible explanations > > > Although the results of this study do not explain why the use of > > > psychotropic drugs increased dramatically in children, Dr Zito offered > > > several possible explanations. These include: > > > changes in diagnosis > > > greater awareness of the mental-health needs of children > > > increased access to medical treatment. > > > The increased use of some drugs, however, occurred despite little > research > > > on their effectiveness in children, according to an accompanying > editorial > > > by Dr Michael Jellinek of the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, > > USA. > > > The reasons for the difference in prescribing patterns between the > > Medicaid > > > group and the HMO group are also unclear. The data may reflect higher > > rates > > > of mental illness in those children who receive Medicaid, an increased > > > awareness of psychiatric disorders, or the development of better drugs > to > > > treat these disorders, said Dr Jellinek. > > > Further study needed > > > The researchers conclude that more research on this topic is needed. A > new > > > nationwide study that examines trends in the use of specific drugs would > > > help to update the current study.
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All Star Gal <allstar…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:a%v2a.13126$tO2.1242029@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "preciosa" <quarkgi…@nospam.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > news:3e4a3f6c$1@usenet.per.paradox.net.au… > > All Star Gal <allstar…@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:1B72a.10794$tO2.1052738@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… > > > "preciosa" <quarkgi…@nospam.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message > > > news:3e48ab11@usenet.per.paradox.net.au… > > > > About time the kids got some help. Kids have been neglected for FAR > TOO > > > > LONG. Blamed, called bad, lazy, useless, stupid, failures and told > > > they’ll > > > > never amount to anything. About time it was realised that most kids > > want > > > to > > > > please and if they can’t, then something is possibly WRONG. > > > > preciosa > > > Forgive me, if I can’t quite grasp how having 6 million children > > diagnosed > > > as insane, psychotic and/or mentally ill is an improvement over their > > having > > > been percevied as lazy and stupid. > > Are you suggesting that somehow being mentally ill is something to be > > ashamed of? > Nope > I am suggesting being labeled mentally ill, is worse than being perceived as > lazy and stupic, because once a child is labled mentally ill, disabled, > imparied, unable, handicapped, etc etc it the burden attaches to their > being so is stigmatization, discrimination, abuse, mistreatment, > neglect, and in general, consignment to the circular waste basket. > All these parents, running to have their children dx’d with mental illness, > naive or indifferent to the the heavy burden they place on their children > the minute they succeed in doing so.
Well I have bipolar disorder and my son is disabled. And I’ve never been, nor ever will I be relegated to the WASTE BASKET, nor will my son. You are very patronising, and very very ignorant of what living with any disorder is all about. Try carrying the burden of psychosis and dealing with chronic debt and rages where you scream and shout and hurt other people? The burden of guilt, the burden of unemployment, and low self esteem, the burden of having a degree and being afraid to use it. The burden of heavy debt. The burden of two kids, different fathers. The burden of being out of control, not sleeping and losing it. The burden of feeling inadequate and the burden of wanting to die. The burden of watching your two year old come to you and ask what is wrong when you are crying on the floor. How about being so grandiose that you aren’t satisfied with anything you do? How about believing that you are a reincarnation of a queen and all your friends are your subjects doing your bidding? Or maybe believing that you are a buddha. How about believing that you are a dolphin and you need to go back to the sea? How about the burden of knowing you are different and basically everyone knows that you are weird. What about the burden of interpreting things the wrong way and always feeling sad and hurt. The burden of feeling angry at nothing and always overreacting. Constantly having to apologise because you LOST IT AGAIN. The burden of knowing that you just can’t get it together no matter how much you try because you always eventually lose it. It’s not the label that is the burden, it’s the disorder itself. Being called mentally ill is nothing compared to actually being mentally ill and living with it!!!! The label is nothing. Nothing at all. preciosa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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About time the kids got some help. Kids have been neglected for FAR TOO LONG. Blamed, called bad, lazy, useless, stupid, failures and told they’ll never amount to anything. About time it was realised that most kids want to please and if they can’t, then something is possibly WRONG. preciosa All Star Gal <allstar…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:JcP1a.9111$1q2.904102@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> X-No-Archive: Yes > Issue 59 07 February 2003 > Increased use of psychiatric drugs in children > Source: www.reutershealth.com, 14 January 2003; Archives of Pediatric and > Adolescent Medicine 2003;157:17-25 > The number of prescriptions for psychotropic drugs for children has soared, > according to a paper published in the Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent > Medicine. > Prescribing patterns > A group of researchers led by Dr Julie Magno Zito of the University of > Maryland in Baltimore, USA, studied nearly 900,000 children aged less than > 20 years from two US states. The children received federal health insurance > (Medicaid) or an employer-based health maintenance organization (HMO) > insurance plan. Data were collected annually between 1987 and 1996 on the > use of psychotropic drugs, such as alpha-agonists, neuroleptics, > antidepressants, and mood-stabilizing anticonvulsants. > Surge in prescriptions > The researchers made the following observations: > the use of psychotropic drugs increased by 200%-300% during the study > period, with the greatest increase occurring after 1991. > prescriptions for psychotropic drugs were more likely to be written for > children who received Medicaid than those who were enrolled in an HMO. > children in the Medicaid group who were taking psychotropic drugs tended to > be younger than those in the HMO group. The highest use of psychotropic > drugs in the Medicaid group was seen in children aged 10-14 years, whereas > in the HMO group it was in children aged 15-19 years. > psychotropic drugs were more likely to be prescribed to males than females, > particularly in the Medicaid group. > the use of alpha-agonists, such as clonidine, which are used to treat > behavioral problems, increased the most. The number of prescriptions for > neuroleptic, antidepressant, and anticonvulsant drugs, which are used to > treat disruptive and violent behavior in children, also increased. > Possible explanations > Although the results of this study do not explain why the use of > psychotropic drugs increased dramatically in children, Dr Zito offered > several possible explanations. These include: > changes in diagnosis > greater awareness of the mental-health needs of children > increased access to medical treatment. > The increased use of some drugs, however, occurred despite little research > on their effectiveness in children, according to an accompanying editorial > by Dr Michael Jellinek of the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, USA. > The reasons for the difference in prescribing patterns between the Medicaid > group and the HMO group are also unclear. The data may reflect higher rates > of mental illness in those children who receive Medicaid, an increased > awareness of psychiatric disorders, or the development of better drugs to > treat these disorders, said Dr Jellinek. > Further study needed > The researchers conclude that more research on this topic is needed. A new > nationwide study that examines trends in the use of specific drugs would > help to update the current study.
