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Night-time headaches

admin — Sat, 26 Mar 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Welcome Amos and yes you’re post worked. I don’t think migraines hitting you as you sleep are all that unusual, it happens to others too. The majority of mine are there with me when I wake up in the morning, but sometimes they actually started much earlier and if the pain isn’t intense enough to keep me awake, I’ll fall back asleep and then it’s *really* bad when I do get up. Sometimes Mr. Migraine hits whenever he darn well pleases! What migraine meds are you currently taking? I suppose you could try changing your sleep schedule a bit, but gee what time *would* you like to have a migraine?! Stick around, you can find a ton of info and support here….oh Kadee, we need your links. Hugs, ~Sage

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Ooops! Meant to say NOT all that unusual. ~Sage

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Welcome Amos and yes you’re post worked. I don’t think migraines hitting you as you sleep are all that unusual, it happens to others too. The majority of mine are there with me when I wake up in the morning, but sometimes they actually started much earlier and if the pain isn’t intense enough to keep me awake, I’ll fall back asleep and then it’s *really* bad when I do get up. Sometimes Mr. Migraine hits whenever he darn well pleases! What migraine meds are you currently taking? I suppose you could try changing your sleep schedule a bit, but gee what time *would* you like to have a migraine?! Stick around, you can find a ton of info and support here….oh Kadee, we need your links. Hugs, ~Sage I’m not even sure if this post will work. Any of you only get headaches at night? I’m a 43 male in pretty good health other than years of achyness, especially in my feet. Around 6 years ago I started waking up 2 or so times a week with terrible headaches. Only thing that helps is migraine medicine if I catch it in time. Also, my neck hurts nearly all the time and it seems to be related to the headaches. Neuro just says they’re migraines but why would they always start at night? Any ideas would really be appreciated. —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption

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Do they usually hit at the same time or after the same length of sleep…say 1.5 hours after falling asleeep? Do they last between 45 minutes and 1.5 hours? and then go away quickly, even without medications? (whatever the length of duration, is it usually very close to the same? Is the worst pain centered behind one eye? Are they one sided and always on the same side? Do these attacks happen at the same time each year, for approximately the same duration? Such as, every march for 6 weeks? or every november for 3 months?? Have they continued pretty much non-stop without a complete break of 30 days? Are they so bad you’ve considered popping your eyeball out with a spoon? If most of these sound familiar….check out http://www.meldrum.demon.co.uk/migraine/ and scroll down to the 4 cluster FAQs also check out www.med-owl.com/clusterheadaches Stay in touch Bobw

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Ooops! Meant to say NOT all that unusual. ~Sage

You said it right. If you changed it to "I don’t think migraines hitting you as you sleep are not all that unusuall" you have a double negative and end up saying that you think that migraines hitting you while you sleep is a rare thing. Bear

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I’m not even sure if this post will work. Any of you only get headaches at night? I’m a 43 male in pretty good health other than years of achyness, especially in my feet. Around 6 years ago I started waking up 2 or so times a week with terrible headaches. Only thing that helps is migraine medicine if I catch it in time. Also, my neck hurts nearly all the time and it seems to be related to the headaches. Neuro just says they’re migraines but why would they always start at night? Any ideas would really be appreciated.

If Bob W’s suggestion to check out cluster headaches does not fit, then youmight consider the possibility that you have migraine triggered by bruxism (teeth clenching, sometimes but not always with grinding). If so, they can often be relieved by a gadget callled an NTI-tss. One diagnostic test that may shed some light: push with the tip of your finger very hard against the center of your forehead for two or three seconds, then push with the same force against the templejust above and behind the eye. If the latter spot is tender compared to the first (patients often wince and turn away), it suggests that the temporalis muscle is fatigued.

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Wow! I can’t believe all the responses. I really appreciate all the info. I’ll look into the websites. I actually had a bad headache last night/this morning. I think it is related to stressed out muscles in my neck, which always seem to hurt, especially when I have the headaches. I’ve thought about the teeth grinding but I breathe through my mouth; however, I am a little intrigued by the poster that mention that you don’t necessarily have to grind to have the same syndrome. I’m a pretty uptight person, although I evidently do a great job of hiding it. Everyone thinks I’m laid back but I’m not really. I think I tighten up the muscles in my face a lot. I’ll do some more checking. So far, the only thing that helps is Maxalt if I catch the headache in time. I just am scared to take too much of it. I average at least two really bad headaches a week. Tried Topamax and some others that really haven’t helped. Thanks again… Amos —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not even sure if this post will work. Any of you only get headaches at night? I’m a 43 male in pretty good health other than years of achyness, especially in my feet. Around 6 years ago I started waking up 2 or so times a week with terrible headaches. Only thing that helps is migraine medicine if I catch it in time. Also, my neck hurts nearly all the time and it seems to be related to the headaches. Neuro just says they’re migraines but why would they always start at night? Any ideas would really be appreciated. If Bob W’s suggestion to check out cluster headaches does not fit, then youmight consider the possibility that you have migraine triggered by bruxism (teeth clenching, sometimes but not always with grinding). If so, they can often be relieved by a gadget callled an NTI-tss. One diagnostic test that may shed some light: push with the tip of your finger very hard against the center of your forehead for two or three seconds, then push with the same force against the templejust above and behind the eye. If the latter spot is tender compared to the first (patients often wince and turn away), it suggests that the temporalis muscle is fatigued.

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Ooops! Meant to say NOT all that unusual. ~Sage You said it right. If you changed it to "I don’t think migraines hitting you as you sleep are not all that unusuall" you have a double negative and end up saying that you think that migraines hitting you while you sleep is a rare thing. Bear

Oh my gosh, you’re right Bear! What *was* I thinking??? Or was I thinking? LOL, the head has been really bad this weekend, brain power is on auto and I think the auto mode needs a new chip. Hugs, ~Sage —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Just a different thought entirely. I do have migraines. But I also have an old neck injury, that if I sleep on it wrong, can cause excruciating pain. Just on one side and similar to a migraine. You did say that your neck hurts, right. Sometimes it can be hard for me to tell what kind, or combination of kinds, of headache I am having. But what has really helped the neck is one of those high tech foam contour pillows. I now take it with me any time I’m going away overnight – they let me carry it on to planes even. It’s a minimal investment and might just help. Good Luck!

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My hubby doesnt have migraines but he did get burned and the neck area healed badly and he cannot get a good nite sleep without the contour pillow. He gets his from his Chiro. Ronnie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a different thought entirely. I do have migraines. But I also have an old neck injury, that if I sleep on it wrong, can cause excruciating pain. Just on one side and similar to a migraine. You did say that your neck hurts, right. Sometimes it can be hard for me to tell what kind, or combination of kinds, of headache I am having. But what has really helped the neck is one of those high tech foam contour pillows. I now take it with me any time I’m going away overnight – they let me carry it on to planes even. It’s a minimal investment and might just help. Good Luck!

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what has really helped the neck is one of those high tech foam contour pillows.

I have one filled with buckwheat. They call it a "bucky pillow" & it goes everywhere with me.

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What you’re describing is just about exactly what my husband had. It went away when he cut out Nutra-Sweet aka aspartame.

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divot on nose

admin — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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"Tom Devlin" wrote in message

news:85obt0190e366r4vj5jjcrci154skbmu5q@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "h.sanders" wrote: > >> P.S. If you wish not to complain about this, please let me know > >———————————————— > >Why would any of this be any of the sleep lab’s responsibility? > >"Raleighgirl’s" complaint is with her DME, not the sleep lab. Basically the > >sleep lab provides the information to the physician who writes the > >prescription to the DME. > In my case, the sleep lab called my prescription directly to the DME, > I’m sure that they (the sleep lab) would have been interested in any > complaints. > Tom

——————————————— That’s interesting. Maybe it depends on the area and the insurance companies involved. Hal S.

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"Gian Ross" wrote in message

news:hwnBd.24$iu5.16@fe2.columbus.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> h.sanders wrote: > > "Gian Ross" wrote in message > > news:1MgBd.44884$mA3.42376@fe2.columbus.rr.com… > >>Raleighgirl wrote: > >>>"Gian Ross" wrote in message > >>>news:xH1Bd.44441$mA3.10832@fe2.columbus.rr.com… > >>>| Raleighgirl wrote: > >>> Raleighgirl, > >>>| > >>>| what is meant by reasonable success? It seems to me you might > >>>or do have > >>>| the wrong size for that full face mask. Were you fitted with > >>>that size > >>>| or did you just purchase it blindly? In my experience with > >>>patients, all > >>>| masks including the full face, should always rest against the > >>>forehead. > >>>| And it sounds to me, by yours not doing that, your nose is > >>>adjusting for > >>>| the pressure from that. Do not lodge anything (such as foam) to > >>>| compensate the gap (you’re right, it will cause leakage). > >>>Instead, call > >>>| your lab and have them properly fit you to a full face, if your > >>>in deed > >>>| happy with that. The maks, full face or not, should not apply > >>>pressure > >>>| to the point of forming a divot. If it does, someone can’t do > >>>their > >>>| sleep tech job. > >>>| > >>>| hoppe that helps > >>>| > >>>| Gianluca > >>>Um Gianluca, > >>>Apparently the DMEs where I live do not believe in full service. > >>>Here’s an excerpt from a > >>>note I sent to another member of the ng: > >>>I wanted to let you know my experience with the DME. I called > >>>ahead to see what I needed to bring and to make an appointment. > >>>Was told I don’t need to bring anything. Arrived. Back to a > >>>room with the tech. He wanted to just hand me the mask and tell > >>>me goodbye. Nope, not doing it. I want to try it with a CPAP. > >>>Can’t do that, you must bring your own CPAP. I’d driven 20+ > >>>miles to get there so did not back down. Ok, you can hook up to > >>>our CPAP but you have to buy a hose to do it. $40. Grrrrrrrr. > >>>The tech was NO help regarding sizing or adjustments. Anyway, due > >>>to insurance issues I did not buy it there (would have to pay > >>>$500. out of pocket). So, I went home, called the insurance > >>>company and found another place to purchase it. Called, made an > >>>appointment to go in. Went in, no chance to try it on, they > >>>handed me the thing, I signed the paperwork and left. Total cost > >>>at this DME was $147. WOW. I never thought to call around to > >>>compare prices! > >>>So, Gianluca, I agree someone is not doing their job. The 3 DMEs > >>>I’ve been to in Raleigh do not allow any type of trial period for > >>>masks. The respiratory therapists do not seem to be able to > >>>assist with the fit, only to mention that the straps need to be > >>>loose and the Fisher Paykel comes with 2 different sized inserts. > >>>TG for the very helpful people on this ng as this has been my > >>>main source of information. In all fairness to the sleep doc, I > >>>have not been back to consult but do plan to go sometime soon due > >>>to other issues (PLMD, bruxism). > >>>Raleighgirl > >>Raleighgirl, > >>that is totally absurd for the sleep lab to treat anyone like that. It > >>is "all" their responsibility to fit you properly and provide all the > >>equiptment to do so. That really angers me, and I’m not a current sleep > >>tech, but I like to stay active within the realm of sleep. Anyway, I > >>would suggest to you, and anyone going to be needing a sleep test of who > >>you might know, to seek another sleep lab as well as doctor. If I’m not > >>mistaken, I believe for accreditation purposes, they are required to do > >>what I mentioned above, among other this. What I am going to do, 1/3/04, > >>is contact the lab I worked in. Find out if indeed there is that > >>requirement and if so I’m going to see if they can furnish me with any > >>information to do something about this, and most importantly correct > >>your situation, if possible. I would NOT return to this lab or doctor > >>about your PLMs or Bruxism. > >>Thanks, > >>Gianluca > >>P.S. If you wish not to complain about this, please let me know > > ———————————————— > > Why would any of this be any of the sleep lab’s responsibility? > > "Raleighgirl’s" complaint is with her DME, not the sleep lab. Basically the > > sleep lab provides the information to the physician who writes the > > prescription to the DME. > > Hal S. > which in turn makes it the labs responsibility

———————————— I’m sorry, but I don’t understand your logic. The DME is renting/selling the equipment, not the sleep lab. — Hal S.

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O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. Raleighgirl

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Had the same problem RaleighGirl and was recommended the breeze nasal pillows …not looked back since. However i found that a soft pad of soft material between the forehead pad and — Frankie (Remove MYSPLEENto reply) You Can Find Me On http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea "Raleighgirl" wrote in message

news:yaSAd.15170$kc6.807316@twister.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It > sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin > strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I > bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable > success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of > my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on > my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it > yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). > So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize > the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME > is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my > forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put > a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that > would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. > Raleighgirl

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oohps easy to see I have not posted for a while lmao what I was going to say was that a soft pad between the forhead and the pad did help a lot by relieving the pressure on the bridge of the nose. It worked well for me but I could never get the divot to completely heal …therefore got my breeze under sleep docs recommendation. Hope this helps — Frankie You Can Find Me On http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea "Frankie" wrote in message

news:33j5mbF3vtn6uU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Had the same problem RaleighGirl and was recommended the breeze nasal > pillows …not looked back since. However i found that a soft pad of soft > material between the forehead pad and > — > Frankie > (Remove MYSPLEENto reply) > You Can Find Me On > http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea > "Raleighgirl" wrote in message > news:yaSAd.15170$kc6.807316@twister.southeast.rr.com… >>O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It >> sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin >> strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I >> bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable >> success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of >> my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on >> my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it >> yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). >> So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize >> the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME >> is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my >> forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put >> a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that >> would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. >> Raleighgirl

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someone suggested to my husband and his mask/divet probs was to take a small peice of a makeup pad and use. He tried it and it worked, however don’t use to big of a peice or it will make it worse. Hope you find some relief Tina2 "Raleighgirl" wrote in message

news:yaSAd.15170$kc6.807316@twister.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It > sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin > strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I > bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable > success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of > my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on > my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it > yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). > So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize > the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME > is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my > forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put > a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that > would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. > Raleighgirl

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btw, whats a breeze nasel pillow? Tina2 "Frankie" wrote in message

news:33j5urF40skoqU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> oohps easy to see I have not posted for a while lmao > what I was going to say was that a soft pad between the forhead and the pad > did help a lot by relieving the pressure on the bridge of the nose. It > worked well for me but I could never get the divot to completely heal > …therefore got my breeze under sleep docs recommendation. > Hope this helps > — > Frankie > You Can Find Me On > http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea > "Frankie" wrote in message > news:33j5mbF3vtn6uU1@individual.net… > > Had the same problem RaleighGirl and was recommended the breeze nasal > > pillows …not looked back since. However i found that a soft pad of soft > > material between the forehead pad and > > — > > Frankie > > (Remove MYSPLEENto reply) > > You Can Find Me On > > http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea > > "Raleighgirl" wrote in message > > news:yaSAd.15170$kc6.807316@twister.southeast.rr.com… > >>O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It > >> sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin > >> strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I > >> bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable > >> success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of > >> my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on > >> my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it > >> yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). > >> So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize > >> the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME > >> is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my > >> forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put > >> a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that > >> would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. > >> Raleighgirl

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Raleighgirl wrote: > O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It > sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin > strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I > bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable > success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of > my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on > my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it > yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). > So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize > the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME > is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my > forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put > a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that > would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. > Raleighgirl

Raleighgirl, what is meant by reasonable success? It seems to me you might or do have the wrong size for that full face mask. Were you fitted with that size or did you just purchase it blindly? In my experience with patients, all masks including the full face, should always rest against the forehead. And it sounds to me, by yours not doing that, your nose is adjusting for the pressure from that. Do not lodge anything (such as foam) to compensate the gap (you’re right, it will cause leakage). Instead, call your lab and have them properly fit you to a full face, if your in deed happy with that. The maks, full face or not, should not apply pressure to the point of forming a divot. If it does, someone can’t do their sleep tech job. hoppe that helps Gianluca

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See pictures/description of this and other headgear at www.conjo.com (or several of the other online vendors). regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:49:35 -0600, "Tina2" wrote: >btw, whats a breeze nasel pillow? >Tina2 >"Frankie" wrote in message >news:33j5urF40skoqU1@individual.net… >> oohps easy to see I have not posted for a while lmao >> what I was going to say was that a soft pad between the forhead and the >pad >> did help a lot by relieving the pressure on the bridge of the nose. It >> worked well for me but I could never get the divot to completely heal >> …therefore got my breeze under sleep docs recommendation. >> Hope this helps >> — >> Frankie >> You Can Find Me On >> http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea >> "Frankie" wrote in message >> news:33j5mbF3vtn6uU1@individual.net… >> > Had the same problem RaleighGirl and was recommended the breeze nasal >> > pillows …not looked back since. However i found that a soft pad of >soft >> > material between the forehead pad and >> > — >> > Frankie >> > (Remove MYSPLEENto reply) >> > You Can Find Me On >> > http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea >> > "Raleighgirl" wrote in message >> > news:yaSAd.15170$kc6.807316@twister.southeast.rr.com… >> >>O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It >> >> sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin >> >> strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I >> >> bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable >> >> success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of >> >> my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on >> >> my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it >> >> yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). >> >> So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize >> >> the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME >> >> is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my >> >> forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put >> >> a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that >> >> would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. >> >> Raleighgirl

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I have used tape on my nose to ease the divot which I do get from time to time with either mask I use. Bertrand Macpherson "Raleighgirl" wrote in message

news:yaSAd.15170$kc6.807316@twister.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It > sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin > strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I > bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable > success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of > my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on > my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it > yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). > So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize > the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME > is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my > forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put > a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that > would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. > Raleighgirl

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"Gian Ross" wrote in message

news:xH1Bd.44441$mA3.10832@fe2.columbus.rr.com… | Raleighgirl wrote:

Raleighgirl, | | what is meant by reasonable success? It seems to me you might or do have | the wrong size for that full face mask. Were you fitted with that size | or did you just purchase it blindly? In my experience with patients, all | masks including the full face, should always rest against the forehead. | And it sounds to me, by yours not doing that, your nose is adjusting for | the pressure from that. Do not lodge anything (such as foam) to | compensate the gap (you’re right, it will cause leakage). Instead, call | your lab and have them properly fit you to a full face, if your in deed | happy with that. The maks, full face or not, should not apply pressure | to the point of forming a divot. If it does, someone can’t do their | sleep tech job. | | hoppe that helps | | Gianluca Um Gianluca, Apparently the DMEs where I live do not believe in full service. Here’s an excerpt from a note I sent to another member of the ng: I wanted to let you know my experience with the DME. I called ahead to see what I needed to bring and to make an appointment. Was told I don’t need to bring anything. Arrived. Back to a room with the tech. He wanted to just hand me the mask and tell me goodbye. Nope, not doing it. I want to try it with a CPAP. Can’t do that, you must bring your own CPAP. I’d driven 20+ miles to get there so did not back down. Ok, you can hook up to our CPAP but you have to buy a hose to do it. $40. Grrrrrrrr. The tech was NO help regarding sizing or adjustments. Anyway, due to insurance issues I did not buy it there (would have to pay $500. out of pocket). So, I went home, called the insurance company and found another place to purchase it. Called, made an appointment to go in. Went in, no chance to try it on, they handed me the thing, I signed the paperwork and left. Total cost at this DME was $147. WOW. I never thought to call around to compare prices! So, Gianluca, I agree someone is not doing their job. The 3 DMEs I’ve been to in Raleigh do not allow any type of trial period for masks. The respiratory therapists do not seem to be able to assist with the fit, only to mention that the straps need to be loose and the Fisher Paykel comes with 2 different sized inserts. TG for the very helpful people on this ng as this has been my main source of information. In all fairness to the sleep doc, I have not been back to consult but do plan to go sometime soon due to other issues (PLMD, bruxism). Raleighgirl

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Raleighgirl wrote: > "Gian Ross" wrote in message > news:xH1Bd.44441$mA3.10832@fe2.columbus.rr.com… > | Raleighgirl wrote: > Raleighgirl, > | > | what is meant by reasonable success? It seems to me you might > or do have > | the wrong size for that full face mask. Were you fitted with > that size > | or did you just purchase it blindly? In my experience with > patients, all > | masks including the full face, should always rest against the > forehead. > | And it sounds to me, by yours not doing that, your nose is > adjusting for > | the pressure from that. Do not lodge anything (such as foam) to > | compensate the gap (you’re right, it will cause leakage). > Instead, call > | your lab and have them properly fit you to a full face, if your > in deed > | happy with that. The maks, full face or not, should not apply > pressure > | to the point of forming a divot. If it does, someone can’t do > their > | sleep tech job. > | > | hoppe that helps > | > | Gianluca > Um Gianluca, > Apparently the DMEs where I live do not believe in full service. > Here’s an excerpt from a > note I sent to another member of the ng: > I wanted to let you know my experience with the DME. I called > ahead to see what I needed to bring and to make an appointment. > Was told I don’t need to bring anything. Arrived. Back to a > room with the tech. He wanted to just hand me the mask and tell > me goodbye. Nope, not doing it. I want to try it with a CPAP. > Can’t do that, you must bring your own CPAP. I’d driven 20+ > miles to get there so did not back down. Ok, you can hook up to > our CPAP but you have to buy a hose to do it. $40. Grrrrrrrr. > The tech was NO help regarding sizing or adjustments. Anyway, due > to insurance issues I did not buy it there (would have to pay > $500. out of pocket). So, I went home, called the insurance > company and found another place to purchase it. Called, made an > appointment to go in. Went in, no chance to try it on, they > handed me the thing, I signed the paperwork and left. Total cost > at this DME was $147. WOW. I never thought to call around to > compare prices! > So, Gianluca, I agree someone is not doing their job. The 3 DMEs > I’ve been to in Raleigh do not allow any type of trial period for > masks. The respiratory therapists do not seem to be able to > assist with the fit, only to mention that the straps need to be > loose and the Fisher Paykel comes with 2 different sized inserts. > TG for the very helpful people on this ng as this has been my > main source of information. In all fairness to the sleep doc, I > have not been back to consult but do plan to go sometime soon due > to other issues (PLMD, bruxism). > Raleighgirl

Raleighgirl, that is totally absurd for the sleep lab to treat anyone like that. It is "all" their responsibility to fit you properly and provide all the equiptment to do so. That really angers me, and I’m not a current sleep tech, but I like to stay active within the realm of sleep. Anyway, I would suggest to you, and anyone going to be needing a sleep test of who you might know, to seek another sleep lab as well as doctor. If I’m not mistaken, I believe for accreditation purposes, they are required to do what I mentioned above, among other this. What I am going to do, 1/3/04, is contact the lab I worked in. Find out if indeed there is that requirement and if so I’m going to see if they can furnish me with any information to do something about this, and most importantly correct your situation, if possible. I would NOT return to this lab or doctor about your PLMs or Bruxism. Thanks, Gianluca P.S. If you wish not to complain about this, please let me know

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Gian, This did not occur at the sleep lab; a DME is the place where you get equipment AFTER the sleep study (my sleep study was 1/5 years ago). When I was at the hospital for the sleep lab, the Resmed mask seemed to fit fine. It’s only as my other problems have come into play that i have sought different equipment. | | that is totally absurd for the sleep lab to treat anyone like that. It | is "all" their responsibility to fit you properly and provide all the | equiptment to do so. That really angers me, and I’m not a current sleep | tech, but I like to stay active within the realm of sleep. Anyway, I | would suggest to you, and anyone going to be needing a sleep test of who | you might know, to seek another sleep lab as well as doctor. If I’m not | mistaken, I believe for accreditation purposes, they are required to do | what I mentioned above, among other this. What I am going to do, 1/3/04, | is contact the lab I worked in. Find out if indeed there is that | requirement and if so I’m going to see if they can furnish me with any | information to do something about this, and most importantly correct | your situation, if possible. I would NOT return to this lab or doctor | about your PLMs or Bruxism. | | Thanks, | Gianluca | | P.S. If you wish not to complain about this, please let me know

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well I guess thats what I get for asking! I thought I could find out information on sleep disorders from here, guess thats what I get for being naive. I guess I’ll know better next time. thanks for the info eric.~~ not Tina2 "eric pearson" wrote in message

news:jke9t05plilbsh95nng0qdrmmsg1va3dn4@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> See pictures/description of this and other headgear at www.conjo.com > (or several of the other online vendors). > regards, > eric pearson > nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:49:35 -0600, "Tina2" wrote: > >btw, whats a breeze nasel pillow? > >Tina2 > >"Frankie" wrote in message > >news:33j5urF40skoqU1@individual.net… > >> oohps easy to see I have not posted for a while lmao > >> what I was going to say was that a soft pad between the forhead and the > >pad > >> did help a lot by relieving the pressure on the bridge of the nose. It > >> worked well for me but I could never get the divot to completely heal > >> …therefore got my breeze under sleep docs recommendation. > >> Hope this helps > >> — > >> Frankie > >> You Can Find Me On > >> http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea > >> "Frankie" wrote in message > >> news:33j5mbF3vtn6uU1@individual.net… > >> > Had the same problem RaleighGirl and was recommended the breeze nasal > >> > pillows …not looked back since. However i found that a soft pad of > >soft > >> > material between the forehead pad and > >> > — > >> > Frankie > >> > (Remove MYSPLEENto reply) > >> > You Can Find Me On > >> > http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea > >> > "Raleighgirl" wrote in message > >> > news:yaSAd.15170$kc6.807316@twister.southeast.rr.com… > >> >>O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It > >> >> sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin > >> >> strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I > >> >> bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable > >> >> success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of > >> >> my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on > >> >> my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it > >> >> yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). > >> >> So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize > >> >> the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME > >> >> is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my > >> >> forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put > >> >> a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that > >> >> would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. > >> >> Raleighgirl

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Raleighgirl wrote: > Gian, > This did not occur at the sleep lab; a DME is the place where you > get equipment AFTER the sleep study (my sleep study was 1/5 years > ago). When I was at the hospital for the sleep lab, the Resmed > mask seemed to fit fine. It’s only as my other problems have > come into play that i have sought different equipment. > | > | that is totally absurd for the sleep lab to treat anyone like > that. It > | is "all" their responsibility to fit you properly and provide > all the > | equiptment to do so. That really angers me, and I’m not a > current sleep > | tech, but I like to stay active within the realm of sleep. > Anyway, I > | would suggest to you, and anyone going to be needing a sleep > test of who > | you might know, to seek another sleep lab as well as doctor. If > I’m not > | mistaken, I believe for accreditation purposes, they are > required to do > | what I mentioned above, among other this. What I am going to > do, 1/3/04, > | is contact the lab I worked in. Find out if indeed there is > that > | requirement and if so I’m going to see if they can furnish me > with any > | information to do something about this, and most importantly > correct > | your situation, if possible. I would NOT return to this lab or > doctor > | about your PLMs or Bruxism. > | > | Thanks, > | Gianluca > | > | P.S. If you wish not to complain about this, please let me know

Raleighgirl, I understand that. But for it started at the lab, no?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tina2 wrote: > btw, whats a breeze nasel pillow? > Tina2 > "Frankie" wrote in message > news:33j5urF40skoqU1@individual.net… >>oohps easy to see I have not posted for a while lmao >>what I was going to say was that a soft pad between the forhead and the > pad >>did help a lot by relieving the pressure on the bridge of the nose. It >>worked well for me but I could never get the divot to completely heal >>…therefore got my breeze under sleep docs recommendation. >>Hope this helps >>– >>Frankie >>You Can Find Me On >>http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea >>"Frankie" wrote in message >>news:33j5mbF3vtn6uU1@individual.net… >>>Had the same problem RaleighGirl and was recommended the breeze nasal >>>pillows …not looked back since. However i found that a soft pad of > soft >>>material between the forehead pad and >>>– >>>Frankie >>>(Remove MYSPLEENto reply) >>>You Can Find Me On >>>http://uk.msnusers.com/LivingWithSleepApnea >>>"Raleighgirl" wrote in message >>>news:yaSAd.15170$kc6.807316@twister.southeast.rr.com… >>>>O my, I’m having mask problems again. I am a mouth breather (It >>>>sounds like a confession!). If I use my small mask and a chin >>>>strap then I grit my teeth from the added pressure on the jaw. I >>>>bought a new Fisher Paykel full face mask and have had reasonable >>>>success, however, it leaves a divot or line across the bridge of >>>>my nose. The more times I use it, the longer the divot stays on >>>>my nose (up to 3 hours now). I asked my dermatologist about it >>>>yesterday. She said the divot can become permanent (o lovely). >>>>So, my question to the group is. . . What can I use to minimize >>>>the mask pressure on the bridge of my nose? Believe me, my DME >>>>is no help. The forehead part of the gear does not touch my >>>>forehead, even in the most forward position. Should I try to put >>>>a piece of foam on the soft part of the mask? Seems like that >>>>would cause leaks. Any suggestions appreciated. >>>>Raleighgirl > here is a link to see what the Breeze mask is and nasal pillows. The

Breeze can have nasal pillows or a mask interface http://www.cpapxchange.com/cXc-bm-puritanbennett.html

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"Raleighgirl" wrote in message

news:vKfBd.365$B66.108377@twister.southeast.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Gian Ross" wrote in message > news:xH1Bd.44441$mA3.10832@fe2.columbus.rr.com… > | Raleighgirl wrote: > Raleighgirl, > | > | what is meant by reasonable success? It seems to me you might > or do have > | the wrong size for that full face mask. Were you fitted with > that size > | or did you just purchase it blindly? In my experience with > patients, all > | masks including the full face, should always rest against the > forehead. > | And it sounds to me, by yours not doing that, your nose is > adjusting for > | the pressure from that. Do not lodge anything (such as foam) to > | compensate the gap (you’re right, it will cause leakage). > Instead, call > | your lab and have them properly fit you to a full face, if your > in deed > | happy with that. The maks, full face or not, should not apply > pressure > | to the point of forming a divot. If it does, someone can’t do > their > | sleep tech job. > | > | hoppe that helps > | > | Gianluca > Um Gianluca, > Apparently the DMEs where I live do not believe in full service. > Here’s an excerpt from a > note I sent to another member of the ng: > I wanted to let you know my experience with the DME. I called > ahead to see what I needed to bring and to make an appointment. > Was told I don’t need to bring anything. Arrived. Back to a > room with the tech. He wanted to just hand me the mask and tell > me goodbye. Nope, not doing it. I want to try it with a CPAP. > Can’t do that, you must bring your own CPAP. I’d driven 20+ > miles to get there so did not back down. Ok, you can hook up to > our CPAP but you have to buy a hose to do it. $40. Grrrrrrrr. > The tech was NO help regarding sizing or adjustments. Anyway, due > to insurance issues I did not buy it there (would have to pay > $500. out of pocket). So, I went home, called the insurance > company and found another place to purchase it. Called, made an > appointment to go in. Went in, no chance to try it on, they > handed me the thing, I signed the paperwork and left. Total cost > at this DME was $147. WOW. I never thought to call around to > compare prices! > So, Gianluca, I agree someone is not doing their job. The 3 DMEs > I’ve been to in Raleigh do not allow any type of trial period for > masks. The respiratory therapists do not seem to be able to > assist with the fit, only to mention that the straps need to be > loose and the Fisher Paykel comes with 2 different sized inserts. > TG for the very helpful people on this ng as this has been my > main source of information. In all fairness to the sleep doc, I > have not been back to consult but do plan to go sometime soon due > to other issues (PLMD, bruxism). > Raleighgirl

——————————————————— My DME allows a trial period on masks — I believe it’s 2 weeks. But I’ve never had to return a mask. I’ve had excellent fittings by the tech before I left the shop every time. All DME’s are not alike. Hal S.

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"Gian Ross" wrote in message

news:1MgBd.44884$mA3.42376@fe2.columbus.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Raleighgirl wrote: > > "Gian Ross" wrote in message > > news:xH1Bd.44441$mA3.10832@fe2.columbus.rr.com… > > | Raleighgirl wrote: > > Raleighgirl, > > | > > | what is meant by reasonable success? It seems to me you might > > or do have > > | the wrong size for that full face mask. Were you fitted with > > that size > > | or did you just purchase it blindly? In my experience with > > patients, all > > | masks including the full face, should always rest against the > > forehead. > > | And it sounds to me, by yours not doing that, your nose is > > adjusting for > > | the pressure from that. Do not lodge anything (such as foam) to > > | compensate the gap (you’re right, it will cause leakage). > > Instead, call > > | your lab and have them properly fit you to a full face, if your > > in deed > > | happy with that. The maks, full face or not, should not apply > > pressure > > | to the point of forming a divot. If it does, someone can’t do > > their > > | sleep tech job. > > | > > | hoppe that helps > > | > > | Gianluca > > Um Gianluca, > > Apparently the DMEs where I live do not believe in full service. > > Here’s an excerpt from a > > note I sent to another member of the ng: > > I wanted to let you know my experience with the DME. I called > > ahead to see what I needed to bring and to make an appointment. > > Was told I don’t need to bring anything. Arrived. Back to a > > room with the tech. He wanted to just hand me the mask and tell > > me goodbye. Nope, not doing it. I want to try it with a CPAP. > > Can’t do that, you must bring your own CPAP. I’d driven 20+ > > miles to get there so did not back down. Ok, you can hook up to > > our CPAP but you have to buy a hose to do it. $40. Grrrrrrrr. > > The tech was NO help regarding sizing or adjustments. Anyway, due > > to insurance issues I did not buy it there (would have to pay > > $500. out of pocket). So, I went home, called the insurance > > company and found another place to purchase it. Called, made an > > appointment to go in. Went in, no chance to try it on, they > > handed me the thing, I signed the paperwork and left. Total cost > > at this DME was $147. WOW. I never thought to call around to > > compare prices! > > So, Gianluca, I agree someone is not doing their job. The 3 DMEs > > I’ve been to in Raleigh do not allow any type of trial period for > > masks. The respiratory therapists do not seem to be able to > > assist with the fit, only to mention that the straps need to be > > loose and the Fisher Paykel comes with 2 different sized inserts. > > TG for the very helpful people on this ng as this has been my > > main source of information. In all fairness to the sleep doc, I > > have not been back to consult but do plan to go sometime soon due > > to other issues (PLMD, bruxism). > > Raleighgirl > Raleighgirl, > that is totally absurd for the sleep lab to treat anyone like that. It > is "all" their responsibility to fit you properly and provide all the > equiptment to do so. That really angers me, and I’m not a current sleep > tech, but I like to stay active within the realm of sleep. Anyway, I > would suggest to you, and anyone going to be needing a sleep test of who > you might know, to seek another sleep lab as well as doctor. If I’m not > mistaken, I believe for accreditation purposes, they are required to do > what I mentioned above, among other this. What I am going to do, 1/3/04, > is contact the lab I worked in. Find out if indeed there is that > requirement and if so I’m going to see if they can furnish me with any > information to do something about this, and most importantly correct > your situation, if possible. I would NOT return to this lab or doctor > about your PLMs or Bruxism. > Thanks, > Gianluca > P.S. If you wish not to complain about this, please let me know

———————————————— Why would any of this be any of the sleep lab’s responsibility? "Raleighgirl’s" complaint is with her DME, not the sleep lab. Basically the sleep lab provides the information to the physician who writes the prescription to the DME. Hal S.

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"Tina2" wrote in message

news:cr4bs202vie@enews4.newsguy.com… > well I guess thats what I get for asking! > I thought I could find out information on sleep disorders from here, guess > thats what I get for being naive. I guess I’ll know better next time. > thanks for the info eric.~~ not > Tina2

———————————————- What are you bellyaching about? You asked, "btw, whats a breeze nasel (sic) pillow"? And Eric replied with a net address that would give you all the info you were looking for. An attitude like your’s is not going to result in a lot help from the newsgroup. Hal S. ————————————————————————— – —— > "eric pearson" wrote in message > news:jke9t05plilbsh95nng0qdrmmsg1va3dn4@4ax.com… > > See pictures/description of this and other headgear at www.conjo.com > > (or several of the other online vendors). > > regards, > > eric pearson > > nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:49:35 -0600, "Tina2" wrote: > > >btw, whats a breeze nasel pillow? > > >Tina2

snip to point

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"h.sanders" wrote: >My DME allows a trial period on masks — I believe it’s 2 weeks. But I’ve >never had to return a mask. I’ve had excellent fittings by the tech before I >left the shop every time. >All DME’s are not alike.

Very true! Care to share the name and location of your DME with us? Tom

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"h.sanders" wrote: >> P.S. If you wish not to complain about this, please let me know >———————————————— >Why would any of this be any of the sleep lab’s responsibility? >"Raleighgirl’s" complaint is with her DME, not the sleep lab. Basically the >sleep lab provides the information to the physician who writes the >prescription to the DME.

In my case, the sleep lab called my prescription directly to the DME, I’m sure that they (the sleep lab) would have been interested in any complaints. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -h.sanders wrote: > "Gian Ross" wrote in message > news:1MgBd.44884$mA3.42376@fe2.columbus.rr.com… >>Raleighgirl wrote: >>>"Gian Ross" wrote in message >>>news:xH1Bd.44441$mA3.10832@fe2.columbus.rr.com… >>>| Raleighgirl wrote: >>> Raleighgirl, >>>| >>>| what is meant by reasonable success? It seems to me you might >>>or do have >>>| the wrong size for that full face mask. Were you fitted with >>>that size >>>| or did you just purchase it blindly? In my experience with >>>patients, all >>>| masks including the full face, should always rest against the >>>forehead. >>>| And it sounds to me, by yours not doing that, your nose is >>>adjusting for >>>| the pressure from that. Do not lodge anything (such as foam) to >>>| compensate the gap (you’re right, it will cause leakage). >>>Instead, call >>>| your lab and have them properly fit you to a full face, if your >>>in deed >>>| happy with that. The maks, full face or not, should not apply >>>pressure >>>| to the point of forming a divot. If it does, someone can’t do >>>their >>>| sleep tech job. >>>| >>>| hoppe that helps >>>| >>>| Gianluca >>>Um Gianluca, >>>Apparently the DMEs where I live do not believe in full service. >>>Here’s an excerpt from a >>>note I sent to another member of the ng: >>>I wanted to let you know my experience with the DME. I called >>>ahead to see what I needed to bring and to make an appointment. >>>Was told I don’t need to bring anything. Arrived. Back to a >>>room with the tech. He wanted to just hand me the mask and tell >>>me goodbye. Nope, not doing it. I want to try it with a CPAP. >>>Can’t do that, you must bring your own CPAP. I’d driven 20+ >>>miles to get there so did not back down. Ok, you can hook up to >>>our CPAP but you have to buy a hose to do it. $40. Grrrrrrrr. >>>The tech was NO help regarding sizing or adjustments. Anyway, due >>>to insurance issues I did not buy it there (would have to pay >>>$500. out of pocket). So, I went home, called the insurance >>>company and found another place to purchase it. Called, made an >>>appointment to go in. Went in, no chance to try it on, they >>>handed me the thing, I signed the paperwork and left. Total cost >>>at this DME was $147. WOW. I never thought to call around to >>>compare prices! >>>So, Gianluca, I agree someone is not doing their job. The 3 DMEs >>>I’ve been to in Raleigh do not allow any type of trial period for >>>masks. The respiratory therapists do not seem to be able to >>>assist with the fit, only to mention that the straps need to be >>>loose and the Fisher Paykel comes with 2 different sized inserts. >>>TG for the very helpful people on this ng as this has been my >>>main source of information. In all fairness to the sleep doc, I >>>have not been back to consult but do plan to go sometime soon due >>>to other issues (PLMD, bruxism). >>>Raleighgirl >>Raleighgirl, >>that is totally absurd for the sleep lab to treat anyone like that. It >>is "all" their responsibility to fit you properly and provide all the >>equiptment to do so. That really angers me, and I’m not a current sleep >>tech, but I like to stay active within the realm of sleep. Anyway, I >>would suggest to you, and anyone going to be needing a sleep test of who >>you might know, to seek another sleep lab as well as doctor. If I’m not >>mistaken, I believe for accreditation purposes, they are required to do >>what I mentioned above, among other this. What I am going to do, 1/3/04, >>is contact the lab I worked in. Find out if indeed there is that >>requirement and if so I’m going to see if they can furnish me with any >>information to do something about this, and most importantly correct >>your situation, if possible. I would NOT return to this lab or doctor >>about your PLMs or Bruxism. >>Thanks, >>Gianluca >>P.S. If you wish not to complain about this, please let me know > ———————————————— > Why would any of this be any of the sleep lab’s responsibility? > "Raleighgirl’s" complaint is with her DME, not the sleep lab. Basically the > sleep lab provides the information to the physician who writes the > prescription to the DME. > Hal S.

which in turn makes it the labs responsibility

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"h.sanders" wrote in message

news:OPqdnfIO5aAGVEjcRVn-jQ@comcast.com… || Why would any of this be any of the sleep lab’s responsibility? | "Raleighgirl’s" complaint is with her DME, not the sleep lab. Basically the | sleep lab provides the information to the physician who writes the | prescription to the DME. | | Hal S. | That’s right, this is my third mask in an almost 2 year period. What happens is when I’ve gone to the DME to get the new mask, they call and get the prescription from the sleep doc. The DME is the slacker, not the sleep lab or doc. Raleighgirl

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"Tom Devlin" wrote in message

news:f7obt0l9f3cj3ckjr7btpd8iap1dlu8rt4@4ax.com… > "h.sanders" wrote: > >My DME allows a trial period on masks — I believe it’s 2 weeks. But I’ve > >never had to return a mask. I’ve had excellent fittings by the tech before I > >left the shop every time. > >All DME’s are not alike. > Very true! > Care to share the name and location of your DME with us? > Tom

————————————————– Sure, Medica Health Care in Minnesota. My neurologist sent me to a pulmonologist, who sent me to the sleep lab. The sleep lab’s doctor sent a report to the pulmonologist who saw me in the morning after my sleep test. The pulmonologist called in a prescription to my choice of DMEs and I had my BiPAP the next morning. My younger brother (on CPAP) didn’t have as good as an experience. His pulmonologist sent him to Apria, which in this area is not known to be patient-friendly. Hal

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~~attempting to right a wrong~~~ I didn’t realize I was bellaching. I am so sorry if it got taken that way. but the site that was posted took me directly to a site for "sexual enhanchment" and I didnt care to see that. That was not the inofrmation I was looking for. Anyways if that was what a "breeze nasal pillow" was, so be it, and thats what I meant by "thats what I get for asking" .not bellyaching. I was just blaming myself for asking. I was embarassed that I didn’t know. So Eric, if that was not what you intended for me to see, I appolgize to you for sounding sarcastic, Tina2 "h.sanders" wrote in message

news:I9CdnbHSAOwSVkjcRVn-tQ@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Tina2" wrote in message > news:cr4bs202vie@enews4.newsguy.com… > > well I guess thats what I get for asking! > > I thought I could find out information on sleep disorders from here, guess > > thats what I get for being naive. I guess I’ll know better next time. > > thanks for the info eric.~~ not > > Tina2 > ———————————————- > What are you bellyaching about? You asked, "btw, whats a breeze nasel (sic) > pillow"? > And Eric replied with a net address that would give you all the info you > were looking for. > An attitude like your’s is not going to result in a lot help from the > newsgroup. > Hal S. > ————————————————————————– — > —— > > "eric pearson" wrote in message > > news:jke9t05plilbsh95nng0qdrmmsg1va3dn4@4ax.com… > > > See pictures/description of this and other headgear at www.conjo.com > > > (or several of the other online vendors). > > > regards, > > > eric pearson > > > nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net > > > On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:49:35 -0600, "Tina2" wrote: > > > >btw, whats a breeze nasel pillow? > > > >Tina2 > snip to point

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Similar symptoms?

admin — Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi I wonder if anyone else gets the following symptoms. I have recurrent polyps and sinusitis, and also suffer with TMJ/Bruxism problems. 1) Routinely I have NO sense of smell 2) A couple of days before I get a cold or ‘flu my sense of smell returns for a day or so. 3) In the next couple of days my dental fillings (amalgam) become sensitive, and my jaw aches. 4)The next stage is usually complete blockage and very poor drainage, and then of course the dreaded sinusitis My worry is that my doctor is treating me for sinusitis, and my dentist tells me my jaw is sensitive because of my TMJ. Is there a way of telling which is the ‘dominant’ condition??? I can’t help thinking that one is affecting the other. Any ideas? Thanks Andy

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On 24 Nov 2004 12:14:25 -0800, andyandbe…@fatmo.fsnet.co.uk (Andy Berry) wrote: >Hi >I wonder if anyone else gets the following symptoms. I have recurrent >polyps and sinusitis, and also suffer with TMJ/Bruxism problems. >1) Routinely I have NO sense of smell >2) A couple of days before I get a cold or ‘flu my sense of smell >returns for a day or so.

Just before I get a cold, all of my sinus swelling goes away and my sinuses are totally open. The reason., I think, is that the antibodies that normally are busy over-reacting to allergens get preoccupied gighting the cold virus. >3) In the next couple of days my dental fillings (amalgam) become >sensitive, and my jaw aches.

as the acute sinusitis spreads into your maxillary (cheek) sinuses. >4)The next stage is usually complete blockage and very poor drainage, >and then of course the dreaded sinusitis >My worry is that my doctor is treating me for sinusitis, and my >dentist tells me my jaw is sensitive because of my TMJ. Is there a >way of telling which is the ‘dominant’ condition??? I can’t help >thinking that one is affecting the other. Any ideas?

Sounds like sinusitis to me….;.

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Lexapro Superior to Paxil for GAD, Study Finds

admin — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lexapro Superior to Paxil for GAD, Study Finds Panic/Anxiety Disorders Blog From Cathleen Henning, Your Guide to Panic / Anxiety Disorders. October 12, 2004 Lexapro Superior to Paxil for GAD, Study Finds Cipralex

Ritalin – It's working very well – but dry mouth

admin — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Dear Chris, Try chewing gum. I am a life coach expert specializing in helping people with ADD and many of my clients have found that very helpful. Breath mints, cough drops or hard candy are also helpful If you have any further questions or are interested in my coaching services, feel free to e-mail me. I wish you great success! Sincerely, Michele Glance Rooney

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Adderall was worse, i found. YMMV.

After trying at least half a dozen other drugs, including Concerta, Strattera, and Provigl (those 3 did nothing), I jsut got my first prescription for Adderall (XR IIRC). Took one Friday morning, and couldn’t sleep at all Friday night. Lied in bed awake for hours, got up and did stuff, lied in bed, got up and watched TV, lied in bed, etc etc. Wasn’t tired or wiped Saturday, went apple picking. Finally went to sleep slightly earlier than normal Saturday night. I haven’t taken any since that first does. Is this normal? I’m afraid to take any more and not be able to function the next day at work. I’ll contact the doctor before taking any more. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html

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I jsut got my first prescription for Adderall (XR IIRC). Took one Friday morning, and couldn’t sleep at all Friday night. Lied in bed awake for hours, got up and did stuff, lied in bed, got up and watched TV, lied in bed, etc etc. Wasn’t tired or wiped Saturday, went apple picking. Finally went to sleep slightly earlier than normal Saturday night.

Woohoo! It’s really amazing what a teeny little 10mg Adderall XR can do to you when you’re a slow metabolizer like I am – and apparently like you are. I took my first on a Saturday morning, and didn’t come down until Monday night. I called the doctor and said, why don’t we try the non-time-release kind? That worked much better, but I still had to split it in two, and only take 5mg a day for the first few months. This amount of sensitivity to stimulants isn’t usual, but it is normal – it’s just the way our metabolisms work. If the Adderall still lasts too long you can try drinking a big glass of orange juice in the afternoon – that seems to help it excrete a bit faster. Katherine

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Woohoo! It’s really amazing what a teeny little 10mg Adderall XR can do to

10mg? Mine are 30mg! maybe I just need a smaller dosage. 54mg Concerta did absolutely nothing to me. Could just as well have been a sugar pill. When the first doc (I’m on #3 now) gave me Welbutrin, I didn’t have trouble falling asleep, but if I woke up for any reason (dog, page from work, whatever) I couldn’t get back to sleep. Even one night when I fell asleep downstairs watching TV, I couldn’t get back to sleep all night. ANd on that I WAS wiped all the next day from lack of sleep. you when you’re a slow metabolizer like I am – and apparently like you are. I took my first on a Saturday morning, and didn’t come down until Monday night. I called the doctor and said, why don’t we try the non-time-release kind? That worked much better, but I still had to split it in two, and only take 5mg a day for the first few months. This amount of sensitivity to stimulants isn’t usual, but it is normal – it’s just the way our metabolisms work. If the Adderall still lasts too long you can try drinking a big glass of orange juice in the afternoon – that seems to help it excrete a bit faster.

I take them in the morning with a 6oz glass of OJ. Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Save Model Rocketry from the HSA! http://www.space-rockets.com/congress.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. Any advice please? Biotene and an NTI headachehope.com What pray tell does a NTI have to do with dry mouth? Joel

This forum is restricted in our ability to re-educate you Dr.JE Once the masticatory muscles normalize, the salivary glands follow suit. Nothing is as easy as you portray it to be Dr.JE — W_B Definition of ’stress’: "When one’s mind overrides the intense desire to choke the living sh*t out of some a**hole who desperately needs it." – W_B

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Biotene and an NTI

For those of us at alt.support.attn-deficit, would you mind explaining both Biotene and NTI? Thanks. Vashti

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It makes sense…one of the side effects of caffeine–one of the most widely available stimulants that seems to be highly addictive–is that it is a diuretic. Water might not seem to be a viable "substitute" for saliva, but it is the biggest component of it. The diuretic effects of stimulants do need to be countered with increased fluids, because if the effect is greater than what you are used to, mild dehydration will cause more problems than mere dry mouth. However, if you do not think you can "sip all day," and can still be sure to get adaquate fluids, you might look into sucking on mints, hard candies, etc, to stimulate (pardon the pun) saliva production. Buny

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have recently started using Ritalin after being diagnosed with ADHD. I am in my early 20s and have suffered from the affects of inattention/impulsivity since early childhood. There is less awareness of ADHD here in England, compared with the USA or Australia. Unfortunately, I have found myself drinking a lot of water (meaning very frequent trips to the bathroom). Should I ask my psychiatrist to let me try an alternative medication (e.g. adderall?) It is my understanding that water isn’t the ideal substitute for saliva as it does not have the same buffering capacity and is not supersaturated with calcium and phosphate ions like saliva is. Also I won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. It makes sense…one of the side effects of caffeine–one of the most widely available stimulants that seems to be highly addictive–is that it is a diuretic. Water might not seem to be a viable "substitute" for saliva, but it is the biggest component of it. The diuretic effects of stimulants do need to be countered with increased fluids, because if the effect is greater than what you are used to, mild dehydration will cause more problems than mere dry mouth. However, if you do not think you can "sip all day," and can still be sure to get adaquate fluids, you might look into sucking on mints, hard candies, etc, to stimulate (pardon the pun) saliva production. NO – don’t suck on mints or hard candy all day! (Unless they are sugar-free)

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Biotene and an NTI For those of us at alt.support.attn-deficit, would you mind explaining both Biotene and NTI? Thanks. Vashti

Biotene is a company that makes products for minor mouth irritations, gingivitis and other oral ailments. They are available through some pharmacies and natural food stores. NTI is a concept and a mouth protector that is designed to limit oral damage resulting from abnormal forces in jaw muscles. It helps with clenching, bruxism, tension and migrane headaches and other ailments. The reason it may help here is that relaxing the musculature around the head and neck may help normalize salivary function. You may ask questions directly to the originator by accessing their web page at: http://www.nti-tss.com. HTH SP — To reply: take out the TRASH…

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NO – don’t suck on mints or hard candy all day! (Unless they are sugar-free)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Biotene and an NTI For those of us at alt.support.attn-deficit, would you mind explaining both Biotene and NTI? Thanks. Vashti Biotene is a company that makes products for minor mouth irritations, gingivitis and other oral ailments. They are available through some pharmacies and natural food stores. NTI is a concept and a mouth protector that is designed to limit oral damage resulting from abnormal forces in jaw muscles. It helps with clenching, bruxism, tension and migrane headaches and other ailments. The reason it may help here is that relaxing the musculature around the head and neck may help normalize salivary function. You may ask questions directly to the originator by accessing their web page at: http://www.nti-tss.com.

Looks like the night guard/bite block that I use for my TMJ… Buny

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: Any advice please?

Years ago, I was put on a blood pressure medication that caused dry mouth as a side effect. After a few weeks/months the dry mouth went away, never to return. YMMV Vaughn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have recently started using Ritalin after being diagnosed with ADHD. I am in my early 20s and have suffered from the affects of inattention/impulsivity since early childhood. There is less awareness of ADHD here in England, compared with the USA or Australia. Unfortunately, I have found myself drinking a lot of water (meaning very frequent trips to the bathroom). Should I ask my psychiatrist to let me try an alternative medication (e.g. adderall?) It is my understanding that water isn’t the ideal substitute for saliva as it does not have the same buffering capacity and is not supersaturated with calcium and phosphate ions like saliva is. Also I won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. Any advice please?

Give it a month and see if the dry mouth goes away. I found that Ritalin gave me slight dry mouth and minor headaches the first two weeks or so, but no longer does. Toby

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Not sure we get adderall in the UK, though you could try Concerta or Strattera. It is my understanding that water isn’t the ideal substitute for saliva as it does not have the same buffering capacity and is not supersaturated with calcium and phosphate ions like saliva is. Also I won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. Any advice please?

My daughter likes those ‘Aquadrops’ – apple or lemon flavour, which are sugar free – they certainly increase natural saliva without increasing her trips to the bathroom. You can buy them in Woolworths, petrol stations etc. Handy for a short term solution. The problem may resolve itself in a few weeks, as others have said. HTH — Grymma AFPOh Goddess Of Hangovers; B.F.(use ‘reply to’) He said… "I don’t know why you wear a bra; you’ve got nothing to put in it" She said…"You wear briefs, don’t you?"

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I won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. Any advice please?

Biotene and an NTI headachehope.com — W_B Take out the G’RBAGE

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I won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. Any advice please? Biotene and an NTI headachehope.com

What pray tell does a NTI have to do with dry mouth? Joel

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You should talk to: But read this first: http://ascc.healingwell.com/info/gailfaq.htm &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I have recently started using Ritalin after being diagnosed with ADHD. : I am in my early 20s and have suffered from the affects of : inattention/impulsivity since early childhood. : There is less awareness of ADHD here in England, compared with the USA : or Australia. : Unfortunately, I have found myself drinking a lot of water (meaning : very frequent trips to the bathroom). Yes. That’s the thing about stimulants. I find Dexedrine stimulates EVERYTHING (except the appetite). I drink twice as much now and frequent the bathroom twice as often. : Should I ask my psychiatrist to let me try an alternative medication : (e.g. adderall?) Adderall was worse, i found. YMMV. : It is my understanding that water isn’t the ideal substitute for : saliva as it does not have the same buffering capacity and is not : supersaturated with calcium and phosphate ions like saliva is. Also I : won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. : Any advice please? Thoughts: 1. Carry a water bottle, when possible. 2. Avoid caffeine. 3. Carry a toothbrush and toothpaste (travel sized ones). 4. Eat and drink water regularly. 5. Avoid extreme temperatures — stimulants increase body temp and sweating, i have found. This will increase thirst. 6. Think ahead: Don’t drink a lot of water on occassions when you can’t get a forseeable pee break. 7. Most undesirable side effects of the stimulants (or any meds) are "dose-dependent". Talk to your doctor about possibly reducing the dose (temporarily, or permanent). 8. Are you on any other meds? Some can be anticholinergic and cause dry mouth, etc. 9. There is an artificial saliva product available. I have seen it used for patients with dysphagia, cancers, or on oxygen and ventilators, as they get dry mouth. Ask your pharmacist about brands. Emma

– W_B Definition of ’stress’: "When one’s mind overrides the intense desire to choke the living sh*t out of some a**hole who desperately needs it." – W_B

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: I have recently started using Ritalin after being diagnosed with ADHD. : I am in my early 20s and have suffered from the affects of : inattention/impulsivity since early childhood. : There is less awareness of ADHD here in England, compared with the USA : or Australia. : Unfortunately, I have found myself drinking a lot of water (meaning : very frequent trips to the bathroom). Yes. That’s the thing about stimulants. I find Dexedrine stimulates EVERYTHING (except the appetite). I drink twice as much now and frequent the bathroom twice as often. : Should I ask my psychiatrist to let me try an alternative medication : (e.g. adderall?) Adderall was worse, i found. YMMV. : It is my understanding that water isn’t the ideal substitute for : saliva as it does not have the same buffering capacity and is not : supersaturated with calcium and phosphate ions like saliva is. Also I : won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. : Any advice please? Thoughts: 1. Carry a water bottle, when possible. 2. Avoid caffeine. 3. Carry a toothbrush and toothpaste (travel sized ones). 4. Eat and drink water regularly. 5. Avoid extreme temperatures — stimulants increase body temp and sweating, i have found. This will increase thirst. 6. Think ahead: Don’t drink a lot of water on occassions when you can’t get a forseeable pee break. 7. Most undesirable side effects of the stimulants (or any meds) are "dose-dependent". Talk to your doctor about possibly reducing the dose (temporarily, or permanent). 8. Are you on any other meds? Some can be anticholinergic and cause dry mouth, etc. 9. There is an artificial saliva product available. I have seen it used for patients with dysphagia, cancers, or on oxygen and ventilators, as they get dry mouth. Ask your pharmacist about brands. Emma

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I have recently started using Ritalin after being diagnosed with ADHD. I am in my early 20s and have suffered from the affects of inattention/impulsivity since early childhood. There is less awareness of ADHD here in England, compared with the USA or Australia. Unfortunately, I have found myself drinking a lot of water (meaning very frequent trips to the bathroom). Should I ask my psychiatrist to let me try an alternative medication (e.g. adderall?) It is my understanding that water isn’t the ideal substitute for saliva as it does not have the same buffering capacity and is not supersaturated with calcium and phosphate ions like saliva is. Also I won’t be able to drink/sip water all the time. Any advice please?

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Help me choose please

admin — Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:25:44 -0600, "mikeg" wrote: >I’ve done two overnight sleep studies, one with cpap and one >without. The cpap-assisted results indicate I’ll benefit from >using one. >I can get insurance coverage for either the cpap or a mandibular >repositioning device. >Here’s my dilemma: I fly every week, often out of town 4 or 5 >days. I really don’t want to lug around a cpap device.

I fly four nights a week. I carry my CPAP with me every night even though I’m supposed to end up at home in the morning. I carry it just in case I end up in a hotel. I’m not limited by number of bags I carry on, but I do change planes as many as 4 times a night.. I find it worth the hassle Chuck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A buddy uses a MRD with good effect, but he’s a pretty skinny >little fellow. Me, I’m overweight, and have an oversized tongue >to boot. >Does anyone here find an MRD to reduce sleep apnea? >Mike

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:10:28 -0600, "geemike" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >"Chuck" wrote in message >news:1msei01nn8l78aqhm5arikrqr6g8vt9hru@4ax.com… >> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:25:44 -0600, "mikeg" >> wrote: >> >I’ve done two overnight sleep studies, one with cpap and one >> >without. The cpap-assisted results indicate I’ll benefit from >> >using one. >> >I can get insurance coverage for either the cpap or a >mandibular >> >repositioning device. >> >Here’s my dilemma: I fly every week, often out of town 4 or 5 >> >days. I really don’t want to lug around a cpap device. >> I fly four nights a week. I carry my CPAP with me every night >even >> though I’m supposed to end up at home in the morning. I carry >it just >> in case I end up in a hotel. I’m not limited by number of bags >I >> carry on, but I do change planes as many as 4 times a night.. I >find >> it worth the hassle >> Chuck >Chuck, what model did you settle on? If I buy one I’ll try to buy >a good one but size will be important. >Mike

If you don’t HAVE to have the humidity.. you can leave the humidifier at home and save a little weight.. not much.

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"Chuck" wrote in message

news:1msei01nn8l78aqhm5arikrqr6g8vt9hru@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:25:44 -0600, "mikeg" > wrote: > >I’ve done two overnight sleep studies, one with cpap and one > >without. The cpap-assisted results indicate I’ll benefit from > >using one. > >I can get insurance coverage for either the cpap or a mandibular > >repositioning device. > >Here’s my dilemma: I fly every week, often out of town 4 or 5 > >days. I really don’t want to lug around a cpap device. > I fly four nights a week. I carry my CPAP with me every night even > though I’m supposed to end up at home in the morning. I carry it just > in case I end up in a hotel. I’m not limited by number of bags I > carry on, but I do change planes as many as 4 times a night.. I find > it worth the hassle > Chuck

Chuck, what model did you settle on? If I buy one I’ll try to buy a good one but size will be important. Mike

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:35:49 GMT, Chuck wrote: >If you don’t HAVE to have the humidity.. you can leave the humidifier >at home and save a little weight.. not much.

All the humidifiers I’ve seen are passive, large, or make noises. (On the other hand, the noisy one blew the air underwater, so it was surprisingly non-annoying.)

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:59:35 GMT, Charlie Perrin wrote: >On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:35:49 GMT, Chuck wrote: >>If you don’t HAVE to have the humidity.. you can leave the humidifier >>at home and save a little weight.. not much. >All the humidifiers I’ve seen are passive, large, or make noises. (On >the other hand, the noisy one blew the air underwater, so it was >surprisingly non-annoying.)

The integrated ones on the ResMed machines make very little difference to the overall size and a little bit to the weight. Not a big deal though. .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

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In article <76uei0tejrtl4boqsi0s5lijbrvvipa…@4ax.com>, Chuck wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:10:28 -0600, "geemike" > wrote: > >"Chuck" wrote in message > >news:1msei01nn8l78aqhm5arikrqr6g8vt9hru@4ax.com… > >> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:25:44 -0600, "mikeg" > >> wrote: > >> >I’ve done two overnight sleep studies, one with cpap and one > >> >without. The cpap-assisted results indicate I’ll benefit from > >> >using one. > >> >I can get insurance coverage for either the cpap or a > >mandibular > >> >repositioning device. > >> >Here’s my dilemma: I fly every week, often out of town 4 or 5 > >> >days. I really don’t want to lug around a cpap device. > >> I fly four nights a week. I carry my CPAP with me every night > >even > >> though I’m supposed to end up at home in the morning. I carry > >it just > >> in case I end up in a hotel. I’m not limited by number of bags > >I > >> carry on, but I do change planes as many as 4 times a night.. I > >find > >> it worth the hassle > >> Chuck > >Chuck, what model did you settle on? If I buy one I’ll try to buy > >a good one but size will be important. > >Mike > Remstar Pro with Cflex and heated humidifier. Comes with nice little > travel bag that’s slightly padded.

It also adjusts to the altitude. ResMed has an integrated unit that does similar things (but they prefer their auto titrating system to CFLEX). There are plenty of small machines with integrated heated humidificaton, auto altitude adjustment and carry bags designed to carry on planes. If you travel to different areas of the country, heated humificiation and auto altitude adjustment may be important to comfortable nights’ sleep. Harlan — To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

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Remstar Pro with Cflex and heated humidifier. Comes with nice little travel bag that’s slightly padded.

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MRD do not generally work unless: 1) Apnea is mild to moderate 2) There is anatomical indication that mandibular repositioning addresses the specific anatomical problem which is causing the apnea. If you do not fit both above criteria, your most likely successful treatments are: 1) CPAP – yes it is a hassle. yes it makes traveling more a hassle. yes, it can be made to work. 2) Trache – yes it is a hassle. yes, it can be made to work. yes, it causes less travel hassle than CPAP. No, you cannot swim. Yes, your daily maintenance time increases. Good news about MRD is that even if it does not work, it is not likely to harm you (other than by not being effective). Bad news is that it is very difficult to measure its success or failure. The measurement is pretty much ‘Do I feel better or not’ and a frequent honest self-administration of one of the ‘do I have apnea’ questionnaires. regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:25:44 -0600, "mikeg" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >I’ve done two overnight sleep studies, one with cpap and one >without. The cpap-assisted results indicate I’ll benefit from >using one. >I can get insurance coverage for either the cpap or a mandibular >repositioning device. >Here’s my dilemma: I fly every week, often out of town 4 or 5 >days. I really don’t want to lug around a cpap device. >A buddy uses a MRD with good effect, but he’s a pretty skinny >little fellow. Me, I’m overweight, and have an oversized tongue >to boot. >Does anyone here find an MRD to reduce sleep apnea? >Mike

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I’ve done two overnight sleep studies, one with cpap and one without. The cpap-assisted results indicate I’ll benefit from using one. I can get insurance coverage for either the cpap or a mandibular repositioning device. Here’s my dilemma: I fly every week, often out of town 4 or 5 days. I really don’t want to lug around a cpap device. A buddy uses a MRD with good effect, but he’s a pretty skinny little fellow. Me, I’m overweight, and have an oversized tongue to boot. Does anyone here find an MRD to reduce sleep apnea? Mike

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i couldn’t wear a simple device to stop bruxism at night i highly doubted i could adapt to the mandibular advancement device how are you with "things" attached to your teeth?? can you stand the feeling of bits of corn stuck in your teeth?? if these don’t bother you, you have a better chance than i did/do at wearing a dental appliance all night long ps….. there is no guarantee the dental appliance will work… you need another sleep study once you have one made for you AND NO insurance co will cover the cost of the dental appliance while most insurance will cover the cost of the CPAP my 2 cents "mikeg" wrote in message

news:FIOdnYvk9swzL7vcRVn-rQ@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve done two overnight sleep studies, one with cpap and one > without. The cpap-assisted results indicate I’ll benefit from > using one. > I can get insurance coverage for either the cpap or a mandibular > repositioning device. > Here’s my dilemma: I fly every week, often out of town 4 or 5 > days. I really don’t want to lug around a cpap device. > A buddy uses a MRD with good effect, but he’s a pretty skinny > little fellow. Me, I’m overweight, and have an oversized tongue > to boot. > Does anyone here find an MRD to reduce sleep apnea? > Mike

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Sore teeth early in the morning.

admin — Thu, 13 May 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Can anyone relate to this. Usually when I wake my teeth are killing me, it feels like I have been clenching down on them really hard, and I guess that’s what I have actually been doing. Does anyone know about this, and why I might be doing it.

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"Scotty" wrote in message

news:c80ddi$1ab$1@sparta.btinternet.com… > Can anyone relate to this. Usually when I wake my teeth are killing me, it > feels like I have been clenching down on them really hard, and I guess > that’s what I have actually been doing. > Does anyone know about this, and why I might be doing it.

Hey! I have that too! I’ve been on CPAP for about a month now and started having teeth/Jaw pain. I presumed that it was due to sleeping with my mouth closed for the first time in years. I know its common for normal sleepers to grind and clench their teeth during sleep, perhaps that’s happening to us. It seems to be going away now but when I go to the dentist for a routine exam I’m going to mention it to determine if any tooth wear is occurring. If there is, there is mouth guards that can be worn.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Killroy97 wrote: > "Scotty" wrote in message > news:c80ddi$1ab$1@sparta.btinternet.com… >> Can anyone relate to this. Usually when I wake my teeth are killing me, > it >> feels like I have been clenching down on them really hard, and I guess >> that’s what I have actually been doing. >> Does anyone know about this, and why I might be doing it. > Hey! I have that too! I’ve been on CPAP for about a month now and started > having teeth/Jaw pain. I presumed that it was due to sleeping with my > mouth > closed for the first time in years. I know its common for normal sleepers > to grind and clench their teeth during sleep, perhaps that’s happening to > us. It seems to be going away now but when I go to the dentist for a > routine exam I’m going to mention it to determine if any tooth wear is > occurring. If there is, there is mouth guards that can be worn.

I am not on CPAP, infact I hadn’t even heard of it until I came here. I tell you something though, sometimes when I wake up I am actually concerned by the pain in my teeth that I may have acutally gone to far and that my teeth might fall out. I have been thinking about getting a mouth gaurd but knowing my luck it will fall down the back of my throat and choke me to death.

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I have a mouth guard, I highly doubt you could swallow one. A properly made one from the dentist fits very snugly over the teeth. The only time I ever had any problem was when I once dreamt I was eating chocolate and woke up *really* trying to chew that thing "Scotty" wrote in message

news:c8147d$atq$5@hercules.btinternet.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Killroy97 wrote: > > "Scotty" wrote in message > > news:c80ddi$1ab$1@sparta.btinternet.com… > >> Can anyone relate to this. Usually when I wake my teeth are killing me, > > it > >> feels like I have been clenching down on them really hard, and I guess > >> that’s what I have actually been doing. > >> Does anyone know about this, and why I might be doing it. > > Hey! I have that too! I’ve been on CPAP for about a month now and started > > having teeth/Jaw pain. I presumed that it was due to sleeping with my > > mouth > > closed for the first time in years. I know its common for normal sleepers > > to grind and clench their teeth during sleep, perhaps that’s happening to > > us. It seems to be going away now but when I go to the dentist for a > > routine exam I’m going to mention it to determine if any tooth wear is > > occurring. If there is, there is mouth guards that can be worn. > I am not on CPAP, infact I hadn’t even heard of it until I came here. I > tell you something though, sometimes when I wake up I am actually concerned > by the pain in my teeth that I may have acutally gone to far and that my > teeth might fall out. I have been thinking about getting a mouth gaurd but > knowing my luck it will fall down the back of my throat and choke me to > death.

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Are you on *PAP? Has the problem started since starting *PAP but not before? If so, I may have some hints. If not, check with your doc (not a bad idea anyway!) regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net On Thu, 13 May 2004 18:05:38 +0000 (UTC), "Scotty" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >Can anyone relate to this. Usually when I wake my teeth are killing me, it >feels like I have been clenching down on them really hard, and I guess >that’s what I have actually been doing. >Does anyone know about this, and why I might be doing it.

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Killroy, Check the Googlearchives on this. It has come up before.I think one of the posters may have been TBliss (although it has been a while so I may misremember). regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net On Thu, 13 May 2004 20:23:36 GMT, "Killroy97" wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Scotty" wrote in message >news:c80ddi$1ab$1@sparta.btinternet.com… >> Can anyone relate to this. Usually when I wake my teeth are killing me, >it >> feels like I have been clenching down on them really hard, and I guess >> that’s what I have actually been doing. >> Does anyone know about this, and why I might be doing it. >Hey! I have that too! I’ve been on CPAP for about a month now and started >having teeth/Jaw pain. I presumed that it was due to sleeping with my mouth >closed for the first time in years. I know its common for normal sleepers >to grind and clench their teeth during sleep, perhaps that’s happening to >us. It seems to be going away now but when I go to the dentist for a routine >exam I’m going to mention it to determine if any tooth wear is occurring. If >there is, there is mouth guards that can be worn.

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Definitely talk to your dentist. I’m a bruxism sufferer (teeth grinding/clenching) and have been doing it since I was a kid. I had to get a mouth guard not only to keep the noise down (which can cause the same disruptions of your sleep that apneas can) but also to prevent myself from grinding my enamel off my teeth and grinding the teeth down. My dad was a grinder and his teeth got pretty short after years of abuse. I still grind and wake up with a sore jaw and the teeth all feel loose but the guard helps and finding ways to reduce stress can help too. It also helps if you try not to clench your teeth during the day… a lot of people don’t even notice that they do it but if you can keep your teeth apart and mouth shut during the day it might help you do it at night. happy dreams…. "Scotty" wrote in message

news:c86fh1$1964$1@news.f.de.plusline.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My teeth are even hurting right now from it, dagnabit. > "Scotty" wrote in message > news:c844kf$a3m$1@sparta.btinternet.com… > > Thanks kyte, I think I will look into something like that. Otherwise I > > swear one of these days I am going to wake up with my teeth down the back > of > > my throat. > > "kyte" wrote in message > > news:ce0a51e03b1e8e1f88b56574f41abafd@news.teranews.com… > > > I missed your original post, Scotty. News-server dumped it I suppose. > > > Anyway, I used to have that thing, and it was because I was clenching. > I > > > still do it sometimes. It was an anxiety/tension thing. I had some > > fairly > > > serious worries at the time which I guess I was trying to ignore and > hope > > > would go away, and it came out in the teeth clenching. > > > Went to the dentist because I needed some work done and she said that a > > > particular kind of mouthguard would help. It was expensive because it > was > > > made from a mould of my top teeth, but geez it was great. The substance > > it > > > was made from was so strong I could not bite through it, but at the same > > > time it was flexible and thick enough so that when I clenched in my > sleep, > > > my jaws immediately opened again and hey presto, no sore teeth and jaws.

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My teeth are even hurting right now from it, dagnabit. "Scotty" wrote in message

news:c844kf$a3m$1@sparta.btinternet.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks kyte, I think I will look into something like that. Otherwise I > swear one of these days I am going to wake up with my teeth down the back of > my throat. > "kyte" wrote in message > news:ce0a51e03b1e8e1f88b56574f41abafd@news.teranews.com… > > I missed your original post, Scotty. News-server dumped it I suppose. > > Anyway, I used to have that thing, and it was because I was clenching. I > > still do it sometimes. It was an anxiety/tension thing. I had some > fairly > > serious worries at the time which I guess I was trying to ignore and hope > > would go away, and it came out in the teeth clenching. > > Went to the dentist because I needed some work done and she said that a > > particular kind of mouthguard would help. It was expensive because it was > > made from a mould of my top teeth, but geez it was great. The substance > it > > was made from was so strong I could not bite through it, but at the same > > time it was flexible and thick enough so that when I clenched in my sleep, > > my jaws immediately opened again and hey presto, no sore teeth and jaws.

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Thanks kyte, I think I will look into something like that. Otherwise I swear one of these days I am going to wake up with my teeth down the back of my throat. "kyte" wrote in message

news:ce0a51e03b1e8e1f88b56574f41abafd@news.teranews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I missed your original post, Scotty. News-server dumped it I suppose. > Anyway, I used to have that thing, and it was because I was clenching. I > still do it sometimes. It was an anxiety/tension thing. I had some fairly > serious worries at the time which I guess I was trying to ignore and hope > would go away, and it came out in the teeth clenching. > Went to the dentist because I needed some work done and she said that a > particular kind of mouthguard would help. It was expensive because it was > made from a mould of my top teeth, but geez it was great. The substance it > was made from was so strong I could not bite through it, but at the same > time it was flexible and thick enough so that when I clenched in my sleep, > my jaws immediately opened again and hey presto, no sore teeth and jaws.

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I haven’t been the doctor about any of my sleeping issues yet, but having read through this news group I have booked an appointment for monday as I am reading a lot of simularites in what I experience on a day to day basis. So basically no I am not on PAP, this has just been something that happens ordinarily. Scotty "eric pearson" wrote in message

news:5j88a0ptuhj4dqhjnup6fgir3toh01gipr@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Are you on *PAP? > Has the problem started since starting *PAP but not before? > If so, I may have some hints. > If not, check with your doc (not a bad idea anyway!) > regards, > eric pearson > nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net > On Thu, 13 May 2004 18:05:38 +0000 (UTC), "Scotty" > wrote: > >Can anyone relate to this. Usually when I wake my teeth are killing me, it > >feels like I have been clenching down on them really hard, and I guess > >that’s what I have actually been doing. > >Does anyone know about this, and why I might be doing it.

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I missed your original post, Scotty. News-server dumped it I suppose. Anyway, I used to have that thing, and it was because I was clenching. I still do it sometimes. It was an anxiety/tension thing. I had some fairly serious worries at the time which I guess I was trying to ignore and hope would go away, and it came out in the teeth clenching. Went to the dentist because I needed some work done and she said that a particular kind of mouthguard would help. It was expensive because it was made from a mould of my top teeth, but geez it was great. The substance it was made from was so strong I could not bite through it, but at the same time it was flexible and thick enough so that when I clenched in my sleep, my jaws immediately opened again and hey presto, no sore teeth and jaws.

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Middle of the night migraines

admin — Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Would someone explain to me why most migraines occur in the midle of the night? Mine occur around 1-2 PM. I am up for approx. one hour deciding whether it is "really" a migraine. Then I take my medication( Frova plus one vioxx). Then I wait 2 hours for it to kick in. Does this sound familiar? Pat Stanton

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My acupuncturist offered an explanation having something to do with the liver for why my migraines mostly occured at 4 AM (I assume you meant AM in your post & not PM?), but it didn’t make much sense to me. In any event, when migraines start in the middle of the night, it often is critical that they wake you up early in the cycle so you can medicate. Otherwise, they can get too big a head start & become killers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mine occur around 1-2 PM. I am up for approx. one hour deciding whether it is "really" a migraine. Then I take my medication( Frova plus one vioxx). Then I wait 2 hours for it to kick in. Does this sound familiar? Pat Stanton

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being as it’s 4 AM here,, been up all night with one just to bad to get to sleep,,yet not quite bad enough to go in for a shot,,,, Relpax didn’t touch it,, yea,, sounds familiar no idea why they do that,, I was sleeping nicely before it hit Bear – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Would someone explain to me why most migraines occur in the midle of the night? Mine occur around 1-2 PM. I am up for approx. one hour deciding whether it is "really" a migraine. Then I take my medication( Frova plus one vioxx). Then I wait 2 hours for it to kick in. Does this sound familiar? Pat Stanton

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My therapist suggests it’s because during sleep, the blood vessels relax allowing the blood to go pounding through. She wants me to do relaxation *before* sleep to bypass this. I have managed to postpone the headaches to early morning – 6 or 7 a.m. Not sure how to explain that, though. Phyllis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Would someone explain to me why most migraines occur in the midle of the night? Mine occur around 1-2 PM. I am up for approx. one hour deciding whether it is "really" a migraine. Then I take my medication( Frova plus one vioxx). Then I wait 2 hours for it to kick in. Does this sound familiar? Pat Stanton

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One possibility might be Jim Boyd’s bruxism mechanism. Teeth clenching is almost entirely a sleeping phenomenon.

but I have no teeth to clench,, I put them in the soaker overnight Bear

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As it was explained to me, being of the 4AM migraine persuasion, it is usually related to hormone changes, especially seratonin. People with seratonin issues usually suffer from syndromes like fibromyalgia, IBS, interstitial cystitis (IC), and migraine. I would usually take a Maxalt MLT, then fall back asleep. I used to work 7 AM to 3:30 PM, so falling back asleep was not a good thing. I am currently on SDI and doing several forms of physical therapy. If the therapies work and things go as planned, I will return to work in July. Have gone from daily migraines to just one every two to three weeks. Started treatment for IC and upped my intake of magnesium and feverfew, plus added riboflavin. Karen in San Diego – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Would someone explain to me why most migraines occur in the midle of the night? Mine occur around 1-2 PM. I am up for approx. one hour deciding whether it is "really" a migraine. Then I take my medication( Frova plus one vioxx). Then I wait 2 hours for it to kick in. Does this sound familiar? Pat Stanton

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Mine don’t always occur in the middle of the night but most often in the early (5-7 a.m.) morning. No matter when they happen, I usually take a Fioricet. I can feel it working within about 10 minutes if it’s going to work at all. Sassy

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1am – 2 am Migraines this week for me as well…….this happens every so often to me and I do the same. Get up, first take some advil (hah! like that will work), then get back up and take a triptan and xanax(.5mg)….cause I usually can’t get back to sleep, either. Sometimes I wake up, look at the clock, and lay there…..waiting to see if I’ll go back to sleep or if it will go away…usually doesn’t, I should know better by now. Jackie Rainy, rainy Rochester, NY

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One possibility might be Jim Boyd’s bruxism mechanism. Teeth clenching is almost entirely a sleeping phenomenon.

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Pat, how often do you get them in the middle of the night? Do you know what triggers them? Funny, if you knew, you’d probably avoid it, huh Michelle

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my pristine sinuses

admin — Tue, 02 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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To all, I came to this group about 10 weeks ago when I was told by my Dr. that the facial pain I was experiencing around my eyes, my cheeks and my upper teeth, might be related to my sinuses. I went for a CAT scan and it showed poloyps and a deviated septum. My GP sent me to an ENT for a consult. (my firt post- 2years of torure) The ENT said there is no way that the poloyps were causing all the pain and referred me to an allergist. Over the next several weeks, I was on 6-9 meds to try and get some relief. No help. I took 2 short courses of Predniosone. No help. My allergist referred me to a very highly regarded ENT in the Phoenix area. My appt was yesterday. After listening to a short history of the pain, he gave me a 30 sec. nasal exam, looked in my mouth and at my teeth, read the CAT scan which I brought with me, and said that my sinuses looked PRISTINE. He said that I should look elsewhere for the facial pain problem, and gave me the name of a prominent headache DR. I dont have headaches, I have facial pain, where my sinuses are located, I told him. Once again, he told me that my sinuses looked great. He also told me NOT to use the Grossan Irrigator, I just purchased. WHAT!!! Doesnt he read this newsgroup?? OK, I will take his advice for now, but I still think its sinus related. Thanks to everyone who responded to my posts, Larry

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On 2 Mar 2004 13:37:29 -0800, goyg…@aol.com (goygirl) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->To all, >I came to this group about 10 weeks ago when I was told by my Dr. that >the facial pain I was experiencing around my eyes, my cheeks and my >upper teeth, might be related to my sinuses. I went for a CAT scan >and it showed poloyps and a deviated septum. My GP sent me to an ENT >for a consult. (my firt post- 2years of torure) The ENT said there >is no way that the poloyps were causing all the pain and referred me >to an allergist. Over the next several weeks, I was on 6-9 meds to >try and get some relief. No help. I took 2 short courses of >Predniosone. No help. >My allergist referred me to a very highly regarded ENT in the Phoenix >area. My appt was yesterday. After listening to a short history of >the pain, he gave me a 30 sec. nasal exam, looked in my mouth and at >my teeth, read the CAT scan which I brought with me

Did you bring a printed report or the actual films? Without the actual films, the opinion is not definitive. >, and said that my >shauses looked PRISTINE. He said that I should look elsewhere for the >facial pain problem, and gave me the name of a prominent headache DR. >I dont have headaches, I have facial pain, where my sinuses are >located, I told him. Once again, he told me that my sinuses looked >great.

My guess, then, would be that he is right. It could still be dental, muscular, etc……. >He also told me NOT to use the Grossan Irrigator, I just purchased. >WHAT!!! Doesnt he read this newsgroup?? OK, I will take his advice >for now, but I still think its sinus related.

Do you have a lot of drainage? If you have no inflammation, the irrigation is not gong to do anything…..

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Larry, you might ask your physician about Bell’s palsy. Bruce

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goygirl wrote: > To all, > I came to this group about 10 weeks ago when I was told by my Dr. that > the facial pain I was experiencing around my eyes, my cheeks and my > upper teeth, might be related to my sinuses.

I remember. here’s an article on diagnosing facial pain that I found informative: http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic25.htm — Steven L.

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Dear Larry, It is possible that your pain is from your neck. Can you get a referral to a hospital based or excellent physical therapist to check you over. the cervical roots can cross over to the trigeminial roots and affect V2, Usually they affect V1 but sometimes its V2 = the maxillary area. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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Is the pain more of a swelling, dull, throbbing? Do NSAID’s help? Are you fatigued or anxious? On 2 Mar 2004 13:37:29 -0800, goyg…@aol.com (goygirl) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->To all, >I came to this group about 10 weeks ago when I was told by my Dr. that >the facial pain I was experiencing around my eyes, my cheeks and my >upper teeth, might be related to my sinuses. I went for a CAT scan >and it showed poloyps and a deviated septum. My GP sent me to an ENT >for a consult. (my firt post- 2years of torure) The ENT said there >is no way that the poloyps were causing all the pain and referred me >to an allergist. Over the next several weeks, I was on 6-9 meds to >try and get some relief. No help. I took 2 short courses of >Predniosone. No help. >My allergist referred me to a very highly regarded ENT in the Phoenix >area. My appt was yesterday. After listening to a short history of >the pain, he gave me a 30 sec. nasal exam, looked in my mouth and at >my teeth, read the CAT scan which I brought with me, and said that my >sinuses looked PRISTINE. He said that I should look elsewhere for the >facial pain problem, and gave me the name of a prominent headache DR. >I dont have headaches, I have facial pain, where my sinuses are >located, I told him. Once again, he told me that my sinuses looked >great. >He also told me NOT to use the Grossan Irrigator, I just purchased. >WHAT!!! Doesnt he read this newsgroup?? OK, I will take his advice >for now, but I still think its sinus related. >Thanks to everyone who responded to my posts, >Larry

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Hi Larry… About 8 years ago I was constantly plagued by an upper molar pain. I went to the dentist who said the tooth had already been root-canaled. I went back a second time, and at this point he peeled the gum back to the root and put a few fillings in. This still didn’t help. ..I bought the Grossan irrigator and within days the pain disappeared. Want my opinion? Try the irrigation system. …If anything, it can’t hurt. …And if it helps, you know where your problems lie. Good luck…. Jon

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Excellent article but he leaves out pain of cervical origin. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dali wrote in message … > Is the pain more of a swelling, dull, throbbing? Do NSAID’s help? Are > you fatigued or anxious? > On 2 Mar 2004 13:37:29 -0800, goyg…@aol.com (goygirl) wrote: > >To all, > >I came to this group about 10 weeks ago when I was told by my Dr. that > >the facial pain I was experiencing around my eyes, my cheeks and my > >upper teeth, might be related to my sinuses. I went for a CAT scan > >and it showed poloyps and a deviated septum. My GP sent me to an ENT > >for a consult. (my firt post- 2years of torure) The ENT said there > >is no way that the poloyps were causing all the pain and referred me > >to an allergist. Over the next several weeks, I was on 6-9 meds to > >try and get some relief. No help. I took 2 short courses of > >Predniosone. No help. > >My allergist referred me to a very highly regarded ENT in the Phoenix > >area. My appt was yesterday. After listening to a short history of > >the pain, he gave me a 30 sec. nasal exam, looked in my mouth and at > >my teeth, read the CAT scan which I brought with me, and said that my > >sinuses looked PRISTINE. He said that I should look elsewhere for the > >facial pain problem, and gave me the name of a prominent headache DR. > >I dont have headaches, I have facial pain, where my sinuses are > >located, I told him. Once again, he told me that my sinuses looked > >great. > >He also told me NOT to use the Grossan Irrigator, I just purchased. > >WHAT!!! Doesnt he read this newsgroup?? OK, I will take his advice > >for now, but I still think its sinus related. > >Thanks to everyone who responded to my posts, > >Larry

Don, He did read the actual films. This is when he told me my sinuses were pristine. Absolutely no inflamation or sign of infection, thus he told me to STOP using the Grossan irrigator I just bought. Dali, No, there is no swelling I can see, but the pain is dull and throbbing. It is minimal in the morning and gets progressively worse until at night when it spreads to my cheeks and my upper teeth. In the last couple of months, I am also experiencing shortness of breathe, especially when I lie down (kinda scary) My allergist gave me some stuff, but these also seem to have no effect. The Nsaids have no effect positive or negative. Some of the sprays do seem to make my nose stuffy, something I dont normally have, but it is all clear mucuos, nothing close to green or yellow. Larry

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goygirl wrote: > No, there is no swelling I can see, but the pain is dull and > throbbing. It is minimal in the morning and gets progressively worse > until at night when it spreads to my cheeks and my upper teeth. In the > last couple of months, I am also experiencing shortness of breathe, > especially when I lie down (kinda scary) My allergist gave me some > stuff, but these also seem to have no effect. > The Nsaids have no effect positive or negative. Some of the sprays do > seem to make my nose stuffy, something I dont normally have, but it is > all clear mucuos, nothing close to green or yellow.

I think EVERYONE in the world SHOULD irrigate/wash their sinuses daily! It helps keep infections/colds/and stuffiness at bay. It should be part of our daily health and beauty regimen! I have NO mucous EVER in my nose! I irrigate once a day, use Rhinocort AQ in a freshly douched nose, and take a one/two punch of Singulair and Claritin! Claritin itself only reduced HISTAMINES and thus did HALF the job! THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR Ive gone without a cold/sinus infection in 5 years! I WAS supposed to have surgery last June BTW, Ive cured myself! SO do not give up the Grossan, do it anyway for PREVENTION! Considerations: 1// Tension/stress while sleeping 2// Nocturnal bruxism (nighttime teeth grinding) 3// minute tooth fracture exacerbated by hot and cold and acidic food. 4//Get your lower teeth checked! Tooth pain is a weird thing! 5// Do you recall any near accidents that caused you to tense up and snap your neck? 6// GET A FULL CHECK UP do not play around. 7// Something as lil as a new chair/glasses could fuck you up! 8// I have uterine fibroids and because Im having sex regularly now it caused the fibroids to shift and press up on my back and gave me back pain that also involved my neck, arms and legs, get your back checked out! 9// Do you smoke? 10// You could have an unknown unborn twin? (Just added that for levity LOL) — preesi ~~~I wear my "Days Of The Week" undies on different days just to confuse my Master~~~ http://mywebpages.comcast.net/preesi/Portal.htm (All 5 Of My Sites Under One Easy To Use Link) http://pirateradionetwork.com/ (My Radio Show- Search Under Adult For 2 Nutz Variety Show- When Active) http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Splenda1/petition.html (Sign the Low Carb Splenda Petition-Get Liquid Splenda on the Market!) http://www.petitiononline.com/KeepTWBS/petition.html (A PETITION TO STOP THE CANCELLATION OF THE WAYNE BRADY SHOW)

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Hello Everyone :) The Doctor has called :)

admin — Mon, 01 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Hello Anna . Hello Young Master Graff

Hee Hee I like being called young….it doesn’t happen often . I am sure the time released pain-killers will help you ! I myself find nothing so irritating then pain in my face/jaws. Somehow it allways seems more painfull then let’s say pain in your foot.

Oh i’m with you on that one…..I can handle pain anywhere in the body apart from the head. i’m happy to report the pills are doing a wonderful job and now the pain is tolerable . I am glad you have no fever,that rules out a lot of nasty thingies Sending you nice vibes over the canal

Thank you for the nice vibes (((Anna))) . Can you feel them ?

never take them for granted…..I do appreciate them all (((Anna))) . Big hug from Anna

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Hello Chip . Ah this is excellent…..it explains the pain and discomfort i’ve been experiencing. Thank you very much for your help (((Chip))) . (((Mellow Squishes))) And gentle smiles to you and all whom you Love – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Graff, here’s some more on TMJ syndrome: Temporomandibular Joint Syndrome History: Primary symptoms Poorly localized dull jaw pain (80%) Increased pain with chewing Limitation of mouth opening Ear clicking or popping Secondary symptoms Earache (30%) Headache and/or neck ache Typically unilateral pain Increasing pain over the course of the day History of jaw and/or facial trauma Bruxism, teeth clenching Psychiatric history (30%) Dizziness (20%) http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic569.htm Hey Graff, I suspect you have one or both of the below. I used to suffer from both until I went on Klonopin which relaxed me and all my jaw muscles quite a bit. All the popping and clicking in the jaw joints in the morning stopped. All the aching in the jaw muscles stoppped as well. Chip Myofascial Pain Syndrome Spasm in the masticatory muscles (internal and external pterygoids, temporalis, and masseter) despite a normal TMJ. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108c.jsp Internal Joint Derangement A disorder in which the articular disk is pulled anteriorly by the superior head of the external (lateral) pterygoid muscle. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108b.jsp Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello Cathy . Hi Graff, http://www.tmj.org/

Thank you (((Cathy))) . I did wonder what it stood for . I was talking with my mum and we tried to work out what it was and my mum came up with tender muscular jaw which i thought was quite good . Love Cathy

(((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello (((Cathy))) . (((((Graff))))) Thank you for the squishes (((Cathy))) . So far everyone who has replied has said it sounds like TMJ ( Which i now understand some thing about after chips handy links ) but i still don’t know what TMJ stands for….it has my interest. better soon. I’m still working on the rest thing as you can see by the time of this post but I’m doing the jaw work out as i type . Thank you for the reply (((Cathy))) . Love Cathy ((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello Elise ( Insert a mellow wave here ). Graff, Hoping you are feeling better soon…

The new medication is doing wonders for me thank you . The pain is a lot less than it was . smiles, Elise

(((Mellow Squishes))) And Gentle Smiles to you and all whom you Love – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Here is a link for you, Graff. If you need more links, please let me know. I’m glad some of your pain is gone. {{{{{Graff}}}}} http://www.drshankland.com/ Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Di . Could you explain TMJ please….i don’t know what it means. Thank you for the Squishes (((-(((Di)))-))) . Hoping you feel much better real soon. I’m getting more relief from the pain now thank you (((Di))). Di (((Mellow Squishes))) and gentle smiles to you and all whom you Love Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir

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Hello Young Master Graff I am sure the time released pain-killers will help you ! I myself find nothing so irritating then pain in my face/jaws. Somehow it allways seems more painfull then let’s say pain in your foot. I am glad you have no fever,that rules out a lot of nasty thingies Sending you nice vibes over the canal Can you feel them ? Big hug from Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Yes, Graff… hope you’re soon feeling much better! Thanks for the update!! {{{{{Graff}}}}} MikeH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (((((Graff))))) soon. Love Cathy Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Graff, here’s some more on TMJ syndrome: Temporomandibular Joint Syndrome History: Primary symptoms Poorly localized dull jaw pain (80%) Increased pain with chewing Limitation of mouth opening Ear clicking or popping Secondary symptoms Earache (30%) Headache and/or neck ache Typically unilateral pain Increasing pain over the course of the day History of jaw and/or facial trauma Bruxism, teeth clenching Psychiatric history (30%) Dizziness (20%) http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic569.htm Hey Graff, I suspect you have one or both of the below. I used to suffer from both until I went on Klonopin which relaxed me and all my jaw muscles quite a bit. All the popping and clicking in the jaw joints in the morning stopped. All the aching in the jaw muscles stoppped as well. Chip Myofascial Pain Syndrome Spasm in the masticatory muscles (internal and external pterygoids, temporalis, and masseter) despite a normal TMJ. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108c.jsp Internal Joint Derangement A disorder in which the articular disk is pulled anteriorly by the superior head of the external (lateral) pterygoid muscle. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108b.jsp Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:He gave me a :prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour :is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw :pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the :headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding :and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( :So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to :move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the :jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. Dear Graff, I`m so glad you were seen by the doctor and it isn`t anything too serious. Make sure to take the pain med so you can sleep well and not suffer anymore. Take care, feel better soon and sweet dreams {{{{{Graff}}}}} Jackie ~*~"Strange, isn’t it? "Each man’s life touches so many other lives, and when he isn’t around he leaves an awful hole, doesn’t he?"~*~ ~ Clarence ~ George Bailey’s Guardian Angel from the film, "It’s a Wonderful Life" — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Graff, here’s some more on TMJ syndrome: Temporomandibular Joint Syndrome History: Primary symptoms Poorly localized dull jaw pain (80%) Increased pain with chewing Limitation of mouth opening Ear clicking or popping Secondary symptoms Earache (30%) Headache and/or neck ache Typically unilateral pain Increasing pain over the course of the day History of jaw and/or facial trauma Bruxism, teeth clenching Psychiatric history (30%) Dizziness (20%) http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic569.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Graff, I suspect you have one or both of the below. I used to suffer from both until I went on Klonopin which relaxed me and all my jaw muscles quite a bit. All the popping and clicking in the jaw joints in the morning stopped. All the aching in the jaw muscles stoppped as well. Chip Myofascial Pain Syndrome Spasm in the masticatory muscles (internal and external pterygoids, temporalis, and masseter) despite a normal TMJ. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108c.jsp Internal Joint Derangement A disorder in which the articular disk is pulled anteriorly by the superior head of the external (lateral) pterygoid muscle. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108b.jsp Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Graff, Hoping you are feeling better soon… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi Graff, http://www.tmj.org/ Love Cathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello (((Cathy))) . (((((Graff))))) Thank you for the squishes (((Cathy))) . So far everyone who has replied has said it sounds like TMJ ( Which i now understand some thing about after chips handy links ) but i still don’t know what TMJ stands for….it has my interest. better soon. I’m still working on the rest thing as you can see by the time of this post but I’m doing the jaw work out as i type . Thank you for the reply (((Cathy))) . Love Cathy ((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello Di .

Could you explain TMJ please….i don’t know what it means. Thank you for the Squishes (((-(((Di)))-))) . Hoping you feel much better real soon.

I’m getting more relief from the pain now thank you (((Di))). Di

(((Mellow Squishes))) and gentle smiles to you and all whom you Love – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir

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Hello Chip . Hey Graff, I suspect you have one or both of the below. I used to suffer from both until I went on Klonopin which relaxed me and all my jaw muscles quite a bit. All the popping and clicking in the jaw joints in the morning stopped. All the aching in the jaw muscles stoppped as well.

WOW hey this is interesting information guy…..Thank You . So would i be right i thinking that TMJ is an acronym ? Chip

(((Mellow Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Myofascial Pain Syndrome Spasm in the masticatory muscles (internal and external pterygoids, temporalis, and masseter) despite a normal TMJ. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108c.jsp Internal Joint Derangement A disorder in which the articular disk is pulled anteriorly by the superior head of the external (lateral) pterygoid muscle. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108b.jsp Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello Dot . Hi Graffie,

Hello Dotty . I’m so glad you talked to a doctor and have something for your pain.

So far its helping a lot more than i expected so i will take the next tablet tomorrow and hope it stops the pain altogether . Is it possible that you have an abcessed tooth? They can act exactly like that sometimes.

I thought of that first and took some anti biotics to see if it would help as i know the feeling of that as i’ve had it before but it didn’t help and i gave them a while to see if they would so i guess it has to be something else. I’m guessing this has happened to you also yes ?. Oh the pain level is more than most can handle and i know i didn’t handle it very well at all. Thank you for your suggestion (((Dot))) . Dot

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Hello (((Cathy))) . (((((Graff)))))

Thank you for the squishes (((Cathy))) .

So far everyone who has replied has said it sounds like TMJ ( Which i now understand some thing about after chips handy links ) but i still don’t know what TMJ stands for….it has my interest.

I’m still working on the rest thing as you can see by the time of this post but I’m doing the jaw work out as i type . Thank you for the reply (((Cathy))) . Love Cathy

((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello Gigglz . (((((((((Graff)))))))))))))

(((-(((Gigglz)))-))) . I hope you feel better soon. I have had jaw problems before, and know the misery it can cause. Mine was connected to the fact that I grind my teeth often. I’ve now worn out my temporalmandibular (spelling?) joint. It is bone on bone. I hope this isn’t the case with you, hun.

I guess it must be true what they said about me after all…..i really do talk too much . I think that’s the reason i’m wearing out my still working on the breathing through my ears trick but need more practice …..i wouldn’t have to stop at all then . Pain-free healing squishes to you, (((((((((((Graff)))))))))))))))))))

Thank you for the pain free squishes (((-(((Gigglz)))-))) . Love, Gigglz

(((Mellow Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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(((((Graff))))) soon. Love Cathy

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Hi Graffie, I’m so glad you talked to a doctor and have something for your pain. Is it possible that you have an abcessed tooth? They can act exactly like that sometimes. Dot — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hello Christina . Graffnoir, I hope you get some rest today and start feeling better soon.

Thank you very much for your reply (((Christina))). I’m still working on the sleeping thing but i get the impression when my head hits the pillow not even a stick of explosive will wake me up ( I’m not planning on putting this to the test you understand ). Keep us all posted on how you’re doing!!!

If all works well i should be fine in a few days or a week at the outside……well I’m hoping to be a lot better anyway . Christina

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(((((((((Graff))))))))))))) I hope you feel better soon. I have had jaw problems before, and know the misery it can cause. Mine was connected to the fact that I grind my teeth often. I’ve now worn out my temporalmandibular (spelling?) joint. It is bone on bone. I hope this isn’t the case with you, hun. Pain-free healing squishes to you, (((((((((((Graff))))))))))))))))))) Love, Gigglz

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Hey Graff, I suspect you have one or both of the below. I used to suffer from both until I went on Klonopin which relaxed me and all my jaw muscles quite a bit. All the popping and clicking in the jaw joints in the morning stopped. All the aching in the jaw muscles stoppped as well. Chip Myofascial Pain Syndrome Spasm in the masticatory muscles (internal and external pterygoids, temporalis, and masseter) despite a normal TMJ. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108c.jsp Internal Joint Derangement A disorder in which the articular disk is pulled anteriorly by the superior head of the external (lateral) pterygoid muscle. http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section9/chapter108/108b.jsp

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Graffnoir, I hope you get some rest today and start feeling better soon. Keep us all posted on how you’re doing!!! Christina — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hoping you feel much better real soon. Di

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Hello Everyone . I thought i would send you all a quick post to explain what little i know about the doctors visit. He called at 9:25 AM ( That’s 3 hours and 30 minutes after i went to sleep…….Yawn….ouch ) and asked me what the problem was. I explained the headaches and the pain in my jaw so he started to feel my face along the jaw line until i said ouch . He asked me if i was feeling feverish and i said i wasn’t so he ruled out the gland on the neck which i can pronounce but am not brave enough to attempt to type ( I thought i would add at this point that every time i giggle it hurts so each time you see i’m making a funny face along with the laughter …..ouch ). He gave me a prescription for 28 slow release pain killers which my kind neighbour is collecting for me and should turn up at midday and solve the jaw pain which is tensing the muscles in my face and causing the headaches. My jaw is for want of a better collection of words grinding and crunching when i move it and also painful when i open my mouth ( So eating a piece of toast hurts ) but i’ve been told i need to move my jaw around ( which is what i’m doing as i type ) to put the jaw back into the right place and solve the problem. i’m going to sort out a few things on the computer while i’m up but i might get a little rest this afternoon to catch upon my sleep. Thank you all for your kind regards and i hope to see you all again soon . (((Mellow Gentle Squishes))) to you and all whom you Love On The Sea Of Infinite Tranquility Sail On Graffnoir — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm