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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Amy D <amy…@joimail.com> wrote in message <news:3FE63EC8.85C696F5@joimail.com>… > DrLith wrote: > > "Amy D" <amy…@joimail.com> wrote in message > > news:3FE5F1BD.64867AD4@joimail.com… > > > Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm and > the 5 > > > year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30. > > Good god! What time does the 5-yo get up in the morning? My 5-yo sleeps > > about 9-10 hours a night. If I put her to bed at 7, she might be up at 4 am! > He has always had SEVERE self-control problems in the afternoons when he gets > tired. He always <until now> needed about 12 hours of sleep including > naps……he’s probably a candidate for ritalin but I’m still adamantly refusing > until it becomes a big issue at school. He goes to kindergarten from 8 am until > 3 pm and they only get a 15 minute recess. He gets up about 6 am and likes to > go to school to eat breakfast at 7:30 am. Which works since it’s practically > impossible to get him to eat breakfast at home — and he needs it. So nowadays > he gets about 11 hours of sleep and he seems to be functioning well at school on > that. That gives him a couple of hours to blow off steam before dinner and then > we have time to do homework and read books. He’s a school and homework > "junkie". 
We try really hard to maintain the sleep schedule during weekends > and holidays because he absolutely cannot control himself if he’s tired! > amy
Sounds somewhat similar to my DD9. She also needs a lot of sleep or else she gets very cranky. Although all the behavioral issues are saved up for home – it seems she will be on her best behavior all day at school, and when she gets home, she’s on her last thread and just collapses. We give her a lot of leeway in the evenings, time to veg and unwind, and a strictly enforced early bedtime. We learned quickly that it is very helpful to encourage her to get her homework done at afterschool or first thing in the morning before school, because she will be way too tired after dinner to be able to concentrate on the task. Realizing all kids are different and have different sleep needs, as a general rule I think that kindergarteners and grade schoolers need and do better on a lot of sleep — more than 8 hours; that guideline is meant for adults, not growing children! I am usually sad when I hear about parents allowing their kids to stay up past 9. It’s one thing if the child is one of the rare few who can get by on less than 8 hours of sleep, and is content to play or read quietly in their bedroom (my DD11 does this — will settle in bed by 8:30 but sometimes keeps the light on until 10 or 11 — although not as much recently as she seems to be entering puberty and sleeping more than she used to). Anyway, just wanted to commend you on figuring it out and maintaining your son’s sleep schedule. It really is important. As for those who want to put him on ritalin, they pressured me to do this with my DD11 when she was 4, and lucky for me the family pediatrician and a social worker intervened with the preschool. It was explained to me at that time that a true ADD diagnosis cannot be made until a child is at least 8 years of age. Kindergarten? All bets are off. It is *normal* for kids of kindergarten age to adjust to the school routine at different rates. Stand your ground on that one! DD11 is doing very well in school now and there’s not a teacher who would dare suggest she’s ADD at this point. jen
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"shinypenny" <shinypenny0…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c8cb5319.0312230803.7abe32dc@posting.google.com… > I am usually sad when I hear about parents allowing their kids to stay > up past 9. It’s one thing if the child is one of the rare few who can > get by on less than 8 hours of sleep, and is content to play or read > quietly in their bedroom (my DD11 does this — will settle in bed by > 8:30 but sometimes keeps the light on until 10 or 11 — although not > as much recently as she seems to be entering puberty and sleeping more > than she used to).
Of course, it’s also important to remember when talking about absolute clock-times that not all children (even if they go to school) are on the same schedule during the day. My kids’ bedtime is 9:30-10:00, but they also don’t get up until 7:30 or 8:00. That’s because they don’t leave for school until 8:45 (and they don’t get home until nearly 4:00, and that’s with no afterschool activities). It’d be a different story if we all had to get up at 5:30 am. Before my sister’s daughter started school, she used to stay up until 10 or 11 pm. But that’s because both mom and dad worked retail hours, not office hours. NOBODY in that house got up before 8, and she usually didn’t go to daycare until 10 or 11. But by the same token, nobody was home before 7 or 8 pm. It was, in reality, just like a "normal" schedule, except timeshifted forward about 2-3 hours.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Shashay Doofray wrote: > > He has always had SEVERE self-control problems in the afternoons when he > gets > > tired. He always <until now> needed about 12 hours of sleep including > > naps……he’s probably a candidate for ritalin but I’m still adamantly > refusing > > until it becomes a big issue at school. He goes to kindergarten from 8 am > until > > 3 pm and they only get a 15 minute recess. He gets up about 6 am and > likes to > > go to school to eat breakfast at 7:30 am. Which works since it’s > practically > > impossible to get him to eat breakfast at home — and he needs it. So > nowadays > > he gets about 11 hours of sleep and he seems to be functioning well at > school on > > that. That gives him a couple of hours to blow off steam before dinner > and then > > we have time to do homework and read books. He’s a school and homework > > "junkie". We try really hard to maintain the sleep schedule during > weekends > > and holidays because he absolutely cannot control himself if he’s tired! > > amy > I’ve had Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome since birth. My mother says the > morning after she brought me home from the hospital (when I was born), I > slept until 10 am the next day. She had to wake me up to make sure I was > still alive. Since that day I have rarely been able to function normally on > less than 10 hours sleep and have no problem, whatsoever sleeping 16 hours > out of 24. Except I sleep much better during the day than at night. > If you continue to have problems with your kid with regard to sleep, I would > suggest having him checked out for a sleep disorder, it could make a huge > difference in his life and save him from having to take medication that > might cause side effects. > SD
Thanks for the input, SD. I’ll keep that in mind for sure — I’m always looking for another reason to NOT categorize him into the normal "problem children". I believe this is manageable somehow…..I’ve spent the last five years training him how to live with his different needs….. Although…from what you say I have to think more of "the baby" <I really need to quit calling him that!>. The nurses at the hospital made me wake him up and I found myself waking him up when we got home. He has slept all night from birth. He goes to bed every night at 6:30 like clockwork. I do truly believe that alot of kids <here in the US> DON’T get the proper amount of sleep…..I think my kids are normal. amy
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Igor, You stud! Congrats on the weight loss! Could that child be any cuter??!! Nance Hoping I don’t get any of those stupid MSN emails. On 21 Dec 2003 15:30:17 GMT, Ignoramus32303 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote: >We had a great time… here’s a pic… >http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/mexico.jpg >Unfortunately, my wife did not want to be photographed, something she >regretted. >i
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> He has always had SEVERE self-control problems in the afternoons when he gets > tired. He always <until now> needed about 12 hours of sleep including > naps……he’s probably a candidate for ritalin but I’m still adamantly refusing > until it becomes a big issue at school. He goes to kindergarten from 8 am until > 3 pm and they only get a 15 minute recess. He gets up about 6 am and likes to > go to school to eat breakfast at 7:30 am. Which works since it’s practically > impossible to get him to eat breakfast at home — and he needs it. So nowadays > he gets about 11 hours of sleep and he seems to be functioning well at school on > that. That gives him a couple of hours to blow off steam before dinner and then > we have time to do homework and read books. He’s a school and homework > "junkie". We try really hard to maintain the sleep schedule during weekends > and holidays because he absolutely cannot control himself if he’s tired! > amy
I’ve had Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome since birth. My mother says the morning after she brought me home from the hospital (when I was born), I slept until 10 am the next day. She had to wake me up to make sure I was still alive. Since that day I have rarely been able to function normally on less than 10 hours sleep and have no problem, whatsoever sleeping 16 hours out of 24. Except I sleep much better during the day than at night. If you continue to have problems with your kid with regard to sleep, I would suggest having him checked out for a sleep disorder, it could make a huge difference in his life and save him from having to take medication that might cause side effects. SD
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Gees, I was really drunk last night wasn’t I? "urf" <u…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qdOdnbXQ6NQ6xXuiRVn-gw@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I love the beach at Playa Del Carmen. Estelle and I have been going ther > efor 20 years. When > we first went ther we were tols it was just a beach off the road near the > jungle. It wasn’t > much more than a sleepy fishing village. Our first trip there was just a two > lane road to Tulum and > a dirt road turn off to Playa Del Carmen. Playacar was being buit about 10 > years ago. It was > very beautiful but we knew it would begin to change everything. We love to > spend the day drinking > in a hammock on the beach out in front of the Blue Parrot. You can get > pretty drunk on $10 for two. > The topless beach rocks for beautiful women. Estelle drops her top everytime > there. She still looks > good too. > "Ignoramus32303" <ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote in message > news:bs4jpa$4s5$1@pita.alt.net… > > In article <3khbuvgrdr7g1f6h8u4ma708mvjjsip…@4ax.com>, DWB wrote: > > > We’re planning our honeymoon near Playa del Carmen. Is that where you > > > were? Any recommendations for accommodations? Or places to avoid? > > > Thanks! > > Yes, that’s where I was, near playa del carmen (playacar). > > It is a good place, cannot compare it with others, but we had > > everything we needed in the all inclusive package. There were several > > hotels in our area, Riu, Iberostar, and Gala Resorts (where we > > stayed). All seemed similar, but differently decorated. > > i > > > Dave > > > Ignoramus32303 <ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote: > > >>We had a great time… here’s a pic… > > >>http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/mexico.jpg > > >>Unfortunately, my wife did not want to be photographed, something she > > >>regretted. > > >>i
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"Ignoramus32303" <ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote in message
news:bs4ea9$no8$1@pita.alt.net… > We had a great time… here’s a pic… > http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/mexico.jpg > Unfortunately, my wife did not want to be photographed, something she > regretted.
Damn, you *did* lose weight (judging from your other pics I’ve seen) Glad you had a good time.
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We’re planning our honeymoon near Playa del Carmen. Is that where you were? Any recommendations for accommodations? Or places to avoid? Thanks! Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ignoramus32303 <ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote: >We had a great time… here’s a pic… >http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/mexico.jpg >Unfortunately, my wife did not want to be photographed, something she >regretted. >i
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"Ignoramus32303" <ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote in message
news:bs4jj8$4co$0@pita.alt.net… > Thanks. For pictures of my weightloss, see > http://igor.chudov.com/weightloss/ > i
Congratulations on the weightloss. Glad to hear you feel so much better. The most amazing part to me, though, is the no eating after 6:00 pm part. I’m not even home till after 6:00 or even 6:30 – it is rare for supper to be ready before 7:30 pm. I don’t see how people who work a typical schedule manage to have such early evenings.
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>The most amazing part to me, though, is the no eating after 6:00 pm part. >I’m not even home till after 6:00 or even 6:30 – it is rare for supper to be >ready before 7:30 pm. I don’t see how people who work a typical schedule >manage to have such early evenings.
Joy, that’s us too. Depending on the day of the week, I leave home at 7 or 7:15, and get home at either 5:15 (M,W, alternate F) or 6:15 or 6:30 (T and Th). My DH never gets home before 7:30, and 8:30 is more typical. Sheila
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WhansaMi wrote: > >The most amazing part to me, though, is the no eating after 6:00 pm part. > >I’m not even home till after 6:00 or even 6:30 – it is rare for supper to be > >ready before 7:30 pm. I don’t see how people who work a typical schedule > >manage to have such early evenings. > Joy, that’s us too. Depending on the day of the week, I leave home at 7 or > 7:15, and get home at either 5:15 (M,W, alternate F) or 6:15 or 6:30 (T and > Th). My DH never gets home before 7:30, and 8:30 is more typical. > Sheila
Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm and the 5 year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30. amy
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"Amy D" <amy…@joimail.com> wrote in message
news:3FE5F1BD.64867AD4@joimail.com… > Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm and the 5 > year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30.
Good god! What time does the 5-yo get up in the morning? My 5-yo sleeps about 9-10 hours a night. If I put her to bed at 7, she might be up at 4 am!
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"Ignoramus32303" <ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote in message
news:bs4ea9$no8$1@pita.alt.net… > We had a great time… here’s a pic… > http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/mexico.jpg > Unfortunately, my wife did not want to be photographed, something she > regretted.
Alright, Igor. Although you did a great job on the Igor compression, I can see we’re going to have to have a discussion about image compression for the Web. That file was bloated! Did Igor Jr. have fun at the beach?
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DrLith wrote: > "Amy D" <amy…@joimail.com> wrote in message > news:3FE5F1BD.64867AD4@joimail.com… > > Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm and > the 5 > > year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30. > Good god! What time does the 5-yo get up in the morning? My 5-yo sleeps > about 9-10 hours a night. If I put her to bed at 7, she might be up at 4 am!
He has always had SEVERE self-control problems in the afternoons when he gets tired. He always <until now> needed about 12 hours of sleep including naps……he’s probably a candidate for ritalin but I’m still adamantly refusing until it becomes a big issue at school. He goes to kindergarten from 8 am until 3 pm and they only get a 15 minute recess. He gets up about 6 am and likes to go to school to eat breakfast at 7:30 am. Which works since it’s practically impossible to get him to eat breakfast at home — and he needs it. So nowadays he gets about 11 hours of sleep and he seems to be functioning well at school on that. That gives him a couple of hours to blow off steam before dinner and then we have time to do homework and read books. He’s a school and homework "junkie". We try really hard to maintain the sleep schedule during weekends and holidays because he absolutely cannot control himself if he’s tired! amy
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DrLith wrote: > "Amy D" <amy…@joimail.com> wrote in message > news:3FE5F1BD.64867AD4@joimail.com… > > Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm and > the 5 > > year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30. > Good god! What time does the 5-yo get up in the morning? My 5-yo sleeps > about 9-10 hours a night. If I put her to bed at 7, she might be up at 4 am!
PS. It is alot easier for him to get the sleep he needs when daylight savings time is over! He won’t go to bed "when the light is on outside". It gets dark at 5 pm here. amy
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>> > Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm >and >> the 5 >> > year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30. >> Good god! What time does the 5-yo get up in the morning? My 5-yo sleeps >> about 9-10 hours a night. If I put her to bed at 7, she might be up at 4 >am! >PS. It is alot easier for him to get the sleep he needs when daylight >savings >time is over! He won’t go to bed "when the light is on outside". It gets >dark at 5 pm here. >amy
My son has always been a nightowl, nor does he need a lot of sleep. He stopped napping by the age of 2, and has never gone down for the night before 10:00 p.m., even as an infant. Over the summer months, he stays up until 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. now. He comes by it naturally — I am a strong nightowl, as is his father. My poor daughter is the only early bird amongst us. Sheila
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -WhansaMi wrote: > >> > Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm > >and > >> the 5 > >> > year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30. > >> Good god! What time does the 5-yo get up in the morning? My 5-yo sleeps > >> about 9-10 hours a night. If I put her to bed at 7, she might be up at 4 > >am! > >PS. It is alot easier for him to get the sleep he needs when daylight > >savings > >time is over! He won’t go to bed "when the light is on outside". It gets > >dark at 5 pm here. > >amy > My son has always been a nightowl, nor does he need a lot of sleep. He stopped > napping by the age of 2, and has never gone down for the night before 10:00 > p.m., even as an infant. Over the summer months, he stays up until 1:00 or > 2:00 a.m. now. He comes by it naturally — I am a strong nightowl, as is his > father. > My poor daughter is the only early bird amongst us. > Sheila
The baby <I really need to quit calling him that> has slept all night since birth. I used to blame myself for my older son’s self control issues until the baby was born. He is the polar opposite. He has NO issues <yet> like my oldest. And I knew the older one had issues from the moment he started moving around the house on his own. The baby takes one nap and goes to bed at 6:30 like clockwork and gets up at 6 am. I’m not sure what I’ll do though when he is ready to move bedtime later and my 5 year old can’t handle it……… amy
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I love the beach at Playa Del Carmen. Estelle and I have been going ther efor 20 years. When we first went ther we were tols it was just a beach off the road near the jungle. It wasn’t much more than a sleepy fishing village. Our first trip there was just a two lane road to Tulum and a dirt road turn off to Playa Del Carmen. Playacar was being buit about 10 years ago. It was very beautiful but we knew it would begin to change everything. We love to spend the day drinking in a hammock on the beach out in front of the Blue Parrot. You can get pretty drunk on $10 for two. The topless beach rocks for beautiful women. Estelle drops her top everytime there. She still looks good too. "Ignoramus32303" <ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote in message
news:bs4jpa$4s5$1@pita.alt.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <3khbuvgrdr7g1f6h8u4ma708mvjjsip…@4ax.com>, DWB wrote: > > We’re planning our honeymoon near Playa del Carmen. Is that where you > > were? Any recommendations for accommodations? Or places to avoid? > > Thanks! > Yes, that’s where I was, near playa del carmen (playacar). > It is a good place, cannot compare it with others, but we had > everything we needed in the all inclusive package. There were several > hotels in our area, Riu, Iberostar, and Gala Resorts (where we > stayed). All seemed similar, but differently decorated. > i > > Dave > > Ignoramus32303 <ignoramus32…@NOSPAM.32303.invalid> wrote: > >>We had a great time… here’s a pic… > >>http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/mexico.jpg > >>Unfortunately, my wife did not want to be photographed, something she > >>regretted. > >>i
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"DrLith" <drl…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:bs5aok$sum$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>… > "Amy D" <amy…@joimail.com> wrote in message > news:3FE5F1BD.64867AD4@joimail.com… > > Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm and > the 5 > > year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30. > Good god! What time does the 5-yo get up in the morning? My 5-yo sleeps > about 9-10 hours a night. If I put her to bed at 7, she might be up at 4 am!
My kids have always been pretty good sleepers, especially the youngest, who slept 12 hours through the first night in the hospital, and continued that pattern. She was such an easy baby: would sleep 12 hours at night *and* also take a marathon 3-4 hour nap!! Nowadays, they are both in bed by 8, read until 8:30, and usually DD9 falls asleep minutes later; DD11 may stay up another half hour or so. They both get up by 7 am. Their school recommends kids get to bed no later than 8:30. jen
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -shinypenny wrote: > "DrLith" <drl…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:bs5aok$sum$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>… > > "Amy D" <amy…@joimail.com> wrote in message > > news:3FE5F1BD.64867AD4@joimail.com… > > > Not here! Dinner is at 5:00 and the 19-month-old is in bed at 6:30 pm and > > the 5 > > > year old in bed by 7:00 or 7:30. > > Good god! What time does the 5-yo get up in the morning? My 5-yo sleeps > > about 9-10 hours a night. If I put her to bed at 7, she might be up at 4 am! > My kids have always been pretty good sleepers, especially the > youngest, who slept 12 hours through the first night in the hospital, > and continued that pattern. She was such an easy baby: would sleep 12 > hours at night *and* also take a marathon 3-4 hour nap!! > Nowadays, they are both in bed by 8, read until 8:30, and usually DD9 > falls asleep minutes later; DD11 may stay up another half hour or so. > They both get up by 7 am. Their school recommends kids get to bed no > later than 8:30. > jen
Okay, I gotta tell a story. I was out in the truck with my husband until "the baby" was born — and he was two weeks late. 10 lb 13 oz. He slept through the night in the hospital and the nurses kept making me wake him up. I told them, "Are you freaking nuts???" We had signed on our last "house" an hour before he was born. The child <two weeks late> REFUSED to be born while living in the truck, I guess. Anyway, my poor husband moved everything out of storage into the house <with the help of a then 4-year-old> before I got out of the hospital. He hadn’t set up the crib yet because I insisted on getting out a day early. The crib was still strapped onto the catwalk of the big truck because we brought it to Alabama from his sister in St. Louis. So…the baby slept in a baby bathtub. And, yes….I found myself resisting the urge to wake him up the first night to make sure he was breathing. Incidently we had 3 acres of land we needed to mow when we bought the "house" — and I mowed it 10 days after a c-section by hand. I’m not fit to be a mom. amy
