chin strap and TMJ
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"kietz" <hkman00…@oohay.com> wrote: >> I’ve seen chin-up strips mentioned favorably, http://www.chin-up.com >Just wanted to mention chin-up strips UNfavorably. I tried them for a few >weeks and they did not help at all. I can’t get rid of my chin-strap, and >was hoping that those would help. Some nights it seems they did. The number >of nights they didn’t seemed to be increasing the longer I used them I >believe they had a money back guarantee when I bought mine, but I couldn’t >find that on their site again.
Thanks! I’d never tried them myself. >A 60 day supply was pretty cheap and they may work for you. If anybody has >used them successfully, I would like to hear from you.
I’d also be interested. Tom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 13:00:43 -0500, nykla…@capital.net wrote: >I’m having yet *another* problem (scream!!). I was sleeping with my >mouth open, so got a chin strap to hold my mouth closed. I have to >secure it quite tight, otherwise I still manage to crack my mouth open. >Problem is, the chin strap puts pressure on my jaw that is transmitted >to my TMJ, and I’m starting to get TMJ-type headaches again. >The chin strap I’m using is a single strap, secured with velcro. I >angle it towards the back of my head – if I pull it straight up towards >the crown of my head, it tends to slide off. >Are there any other chin strap setups that work better? I really, >really don’t want to go to a full-face mask, I finally got a mask that >fits right and isn’t painful, and I don’t want to go through that >process again if I can help it. >Thanks >Cath
Yes I did have the same issue with not being able to kept my mouth close while sleeping with Cpap. I did also try a chin strap however I would just simply crack my mouth while sleeping so the chin strap was totaly useless. I did talk with someone about it and they explaned to me that in most cases it is a issue of the need for humidifation. So I then tried a humitfiyer to see if that help. And still I would open my mouth. Now I’m using a full face mask and I have been sleeping the best ever with my cpap!! Interestingly I resently tried my cpap with out the cold humitifyer w/ the full face and I woke up in the morning with a headace and I was totaly congesseted. Dry air tends to make sinises narrow from what I understand. Note I did try heated and non heated with chin strap and still I would crack my mouth open. Hope that helps! Age 29 6′4 215 Lbs Good Health other then OSA, Delayed Sleep Sydrum, Hypersomnia, mild dislexya Unit: Repironics Virtuoso LX Smart Cpap System Programed for Cpap Mode (not auto) Pressure: @7 cm Resmed Mirage Full Face Mask Sleep test results: (coming soon!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– >http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >—–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -kietz wrote: > > I’ve seen chin-up strips mentioned favorably, http://www.chin-up.com > Just wanted to mention chin-up strips UNfavorably. I tried them for a few > weeks and they did not help at all. I can’t get rid of my chin-strap, and > was hoping that those would help. Some nights it seems they did. The number > of nights they didn’t seemed to be increasing the longer I used them I > believe they had a money back guarantee when I bought mine, but I couldn’t > find that on their site again. > A 60 day supply was pretty cheap and they may work for you. If anybody has > used them successfully, I would like to hear from you. I still have a few > and am getting tired of my chin-strap. (Taping my mouth shut is not > something I am willing to try). > I have tried many of the tips on this ng, but just can’t seem to sleep with > my mouth shut without that strap > — > reverse something to e-mail
When I gave up the useless chin strap, I started using chin-up strips (sample set kindly provided by Patrick Richards). I didn’t have any problems with them, but my full beard didn’t help any; however, I only used them 5 nights before going on vacation and forgetting them. So I went to several drug stores in Vermont trying to find some, not realizing that they were only available on the inet. When I couldn’t find any, I bought tape (like that also provided by Patrick), but I could only find 3/4", so I used two strips. When I got home I started using 1" and it only took one strip. I’d say the tape worked better than the chin-up strips.
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nykla…@capital.net wrote: >I talked to my technician today – unfortunately he has >never had anybody with this problem before, and didn’t have a clue, beyond >raising the CPAP pressure. He said that often people respond by closing >their mouths.
Interesting, I’d never heard that before. >He’s going to call and talk to the sleep lab people, and I think I will >also, with the ideas you put forward. The athletic mouthguard might at least >hold my jaw in position, preventing the pressure on the TMJ.
Also check with your dentist, he may be able to come up with something that fits better. BTW, have you tried learning to sleep with your tongue touching the roof of your mouth? It’s allowed several of us to ash-can our chin straps. Tom
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> I’ve seen chin-up strips mentioned favorably, http://www.chin-up.com
Just wanted to mention chin-up strips UNfavorably. I tried them for a few weeks and they did not help at all. I can’t get rid of my chin-strap, and was hoping that those would help. Some nights it seems they did. The number of nights they didn’t seemed to be increasing the longer I used them I believe they had a money back guarantee when I bought mine, but I couldn’t find that on their site again. A 60 day supply was pretty cheap and they may work for you. If anybody has used them successfully, I would like to hear from you. I still have a few and am getting tired of my chin-strap. (Taping my mouth shut is not something I am willing to try). I have tried many of the tips on this ng, but just can’t seem to sleep with my mouth shut without that strap — reverse something to e-mail
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nykla…@capital.net writes: > I’m having yet *another* problem (scream!!). I was sleeping with my > mouth open, so got a chin strap to hold my mouth closed. I have to > secure it quite tight, otherwise I still manage to crack my mouth open. > Problem is, the chin strap puts pressure on my jaw that is transmitted > to my TMJ, and I’m starting to get TMJ-type headaches again. > The chin strap I’m using is a single strap, secured with velcro. I > angle it towards the back of my head – if I pull it straight up towards > the crown of my head, it tends to slide off. > Are there any other chin strap setups that work better? I really, > really don’t want to go to a full-face mask, I finally got a mask that > fits right and isn’t painful, and I don’t want to go through that > process again if I can help it.
I don’t have quite your problem, but I couldn’t keep my old strap on (it was a single loop of fabric with velcro fasteners), and after awhile, just didn’t bother with the strap. My problem is my hair is so greasy at night, the strap would slide off. A few days ago, I finally went in and got the nasal pillows the doctor had written me a prescription for a few months ago, and got a new chin strap. This strap has a cup that your chin fits in, rather than just the strap, and it has velcro on the sides that can attach to the straps on the nasal pillow gear. In the few days I’ve been using the pillows, I do find the straps for the nasal pillows will ride up occasionally, and I have pull the straps back down, but I can do it, and fall back asleep. — Michael Meissner, Red Hat, Inc. (GCC group) PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA Work: meiss…@redhat.com phone: +1 978-486-9304 Non-work: meiss…@spectacle-pond.org fax: +1 978-692-4482
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NormC wrote:… > …BTW, mine also slipped off at least 6 out of 7 nights. I didn’t want to go to a > full face mask either, so I started using tape. When I had tape on and held my > nose closed, voila! no air whatsoever – just like the tongue up trick.
Last night I managed to tie the chin strap to the face mask harness so that it was held on, without slipping forward. It helped the TMJ problem, but now this morning I have a headache from where it pressed on the top of my head. You can’t win!! > Breathing through my mouth was a new action for me – no recognizable reason for > doing so. As a result I went to (among others) a maxillo facial surgeon. He > thought that when I laid down, as the blood redistributed in my body, my > turbinates could be swelling, causing me to breath through my mouth. He > suggested autocpap, which I had been thinking about for a while. I just made > arrangements with the sleep lab to use one for a week. > If you haven’t ever been a mouth breather, maybe this is your problem also. I’m > interested in knowing if you just started breathing through your mouth since you > started using CPAP.
Definitely since I started using CPAP – I assumed it’s a reaction to the amount of effort required to breathe out. I’m going to call the sleep lab today. I’ll be interested to hear what they suggest. Cath —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Tom, thank you. I talked to my technician today – unfortunately he has never had anybody with this problem before, and didn’t have a clue, beyond raising the CPAP pressure. He said that often people respond by closing their mouths. He’s going to call and talk to the sleep lab people, and I think I will also, with the ideas you put forward. The athletic mouthguard might at least hold my jaw in position, preventing the pressure on the TMJ. Thanks Cath Tom Devlin wrote: > ….Several people here have used "boil and fit" athletic mouthguards to > handle mouth breathing, it there any chance that one would help your > problem? It might let you slack off the chin strap pressure. I think > they come in two versions, one with a vent between the teeth and one > with no vent, you’d want the latter. > ….Joe has this one, http://www.cpapman.com/fc.html > I’ve seen chin-up strips mentioned favorably, http://www.chin-up.com > And someone here recommended the Veronique chinstrap, they have > several models. http://www.designveronique.com/ > Tom
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nykla…@capital.net wrote: >I’m having yet *another* problem (scream!!). I was sleeping with my >mouth open, so got a chin strap to hold my mouth closed. I have to >secure it quite tight, otherwise I still manage to crack my mouth open. >Problem is, the chin strap puts pressure on my jaw that is transmitted >to my TMJ, and I’m starting to get TMJ-type headaches again.
Several people here have used "boil and fit" athletic mouthguards to handle mouth breathing, it there any chance that one would help your problem? It might let you slack off the chin strap pressure. I think they come in two versions, one with a vent between the teeth and one with no vent, you’d want the latter. >Are there any other chin strap setups that work better? I really, >really don’t want to go to a full-face mask, I finally got a mask that >fits right and isn’t painful, and I don’t want to go through that >process again if I can help it.
Joe has this one, http://www.cpapman.com/fc.html I’ve seen chin-up strips mentioned favorably, http://www.chin-up.com And someone here recommended the Veronique chinstrap, they have several models. http://www.designveronique.com/ Tom
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I’m having yet *another* problem (scream!!). I was sleeping with my mouth open, so got a chin strap to hold my mouth closed. I have to secure it quite tight, otherwise I still manage to crack my mouth open. Problem is, the chin strap puts pressure on my jaw that is transmitted to my TMJ, and I’m starting to get TMJ-type headaches again. The chin strap I’m using is a single strap, secured with velcro. I angle it towards the back of my head – if I pull it straight up towards the crown of my head, it tends to slide off. Are there any other chin strap setups that work better? I really, really don’t want to go to a full-face mask, I finally got a mask that fits right and isn’t painful, and I don’t want to go through that process again if I can help it. Thanks Cath —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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nykla…@capital.net wrote: > I’m having yet *another* problem (scream!!). I was sleeping with my > mouth open, so got a chin strap to hold my mouth closed. I have to > secure it quite tight, otherwise I still manage to crack my mouth open. > Problem is, the chin strap puts pressure on my jaw that is transmitted > to my TMJ, and I’m starting to get TMJ-type headaches again. > The chin strap I’m using is a single strap, secured with velcro. I > angle it towards the back of my head – if I pull it straight up towards > the crown of my head, it tends to slide off. > Are there any other chin strap setups that work better? I really, > really don’t want to go to a full-face mask, I finally got a mask that > fits right and isn’t painful, and I don’t want to go through that > process again if I can help it.
I’ve sort of been going through a similar problem. Because of my problem, I had been planning on posting a new thread titled, "You must have special jaw and teeth layout to use a chin strap". However, I’ll just put my comments here. Note that the first paragraph below is nearly identical to your first paragraph!!!! I’m having yet *another* problem (scream!!). I was sleeping with my mouth open, so got a chin strap to hold my mouth closed. I have to secure it quite tight; otherwise mouth/jaw will not be completely closed. Problem is, it is very uncomfortable, puts pressure on my jaw which I feel the next day, and I’m sure it was responsible for a gold inlay falling out. What really pisses me off is that it was expensive, never helped, and, IMHO, there is no possible way it could help me. Why, you may ask. Well, if I bite down the way I do with the chin strap, and pinch my nose closed, I can still breath though my teeth. I admit it’s obstructed breathing and not the least bit satisfactory, but how does one know if it is helping one bit? As a final experiment, as I was breathing through my teeth, I moved my tongue up as far as I could…. and I could no longer breath. Not that this is a new discovery, just a verification that tongue up can totally eliminate mouth breathing. However, I don’t seem to be able to do it. But I am still trying. BTW, mine also slipped off at least 6 out of 7 nights. I didn’t want to go to a full face mask either, so I started using tape. When I had tape on and held my nose closed, voila! no air whatsoever – just like the tongue up trick. Breathing through my mouth was a new action for me – no recognizable reason for doing so. As a result I went to (among others) a maxillo facial surgeon. He thought that when I laid down, as the blood redistributed in my body, my turbinates could be swelling, causing me to breath through my mouth. He suggested autocpap, which I had been thinking about for a while. I just made arrangements with the sleep lab to use one for a week. If you haven’t ever been a mouth breather, maybe this is your problem also. I’m interested in knowing if you just started breathing through your mouth since you started using CPAP.
