anti-psychotics and slowed thinking
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has anybody noticed slowed thinking such as when trying to read, when on these medications. it is very frustrating.
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like i seem to be just blank staring at the page. i call it being like a "mental zombie." i can’t process the information fast. i am on zyprexa now and i experienced this with risperdal too. ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:RXZQc.2458$Bt5.472@twister.socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> has anybody noticed slowed thinking such as when trying to read, when on > these medications. it is very frustrating.
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I am on…well, I am on many different medications, but I am not aware of which one is for which, as I have both schizophrenia and depression, along with another thing or two here and there, but I can honestly say that I am experiencing the same that you are. I can read an either page in a book, and then not remember anything from what I have just read. Also, I can not read as well or nearly as quick as I once could. "ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:62_Qc.2459$Bt5.1259@twister.socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> like i seem to be just blank staring at the page. i call it being like a > "mental zombie." i can’t process the information fast. i am on zyprexa now > and i experienced this with risperdal too. > ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:RXZQc.2458$Bt5.472@twister.socal.rr.com… > > has anybody noticed slowed thinking such as when trying to read, when on > > these medications. it is very frustrating.
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Todays antipsychotic drugs could slow thinking by their extra additves. Originally, so called "antpsychotic" drugs were exclusively dopamine blockers. Dopamine is the neurotransmitter of your brain’s reward system. With dopamine blocked you get no reward from anything, even changes of bodily position, and thereby we squirm and twitch in our agony and that squirming and twitching is called tardive diskinisia. Dopamine blockers not only do not prevent hallucinations, they can cause hallucinations. Psychiatrists say, "Today’s antipsychotic drugs are better." Today’s antipsychotic drugs have adrenalin blockers which can give an asthmatic pneumonia. They have seratonin blockers which can give you insomnia. They can also cause hallucinations. LSD is a very efficent seratonin blocker. Seratonin is the neurotransmitter of your inhibitory neuons. These neurons essentially sedate acetylcholine mediated neurons, called muscarinic neurons to distinguish them from the nicotinic neurons of the voluntary muscular system. These new antipsychotic drugs also have enough acetylcholine blockers to reduce a Samson to a ninety-eight pound weakling, yet it’s not enough to eliminate hallucinations. Most of our hallucinations come from too many excited muscarinic neurons. When the muscarinic neurons of the body, called parasympathetic neurons, get irritated they override the inhibitory neurons of the brain and cause hallucinations. As muscarinic neurons awake you can have the pleasant hallucinations of what is called paranatal matrix one. But, more stimulation and it gets scary in paranatal matrix II. This is what has been called the "knowledge of good and evil", and the evil is horrifying. Yes, the apple on the tree is that apple. The Unbaptist Church used this sacrament of their’s to become elligible again for "Limbo", a Catholic doctrine. The Albigensian Crusade exterminated two million French people to suppress that secret but they couldn’t kill all the Bogomil Cathars hiding in the Carpathians. There is a French-Szekely connection in Louisiana who explain certain mystries.That "secret disease" which is the "RSD" of the parasympathetic nervous system has a name: lycantropy.The main trunk of the vagus nerves, big muscarinic nerves in the body, is near the brain and this "tree of knowledge" was called the "golden bough". Virgil said, "You cannot enter Hades without the golden bough". A little more vagal stimulation and "it’s to Hell in a hand basket", paranatal matrix III. You resurrect from Hades in paranatal matrix IV. Initiation, passing and raising; the Hebrew word for initiation also sounds like other related words, and, the Anakim are the Cro Magnon subspecies, all the men of which are Double Y’s. This is how eugenicists caught Double Y’s before they could be identified genetically. They instinctually "do it". To the secret" witch hunting society" they are known to be natural born "witches". But, crucifixion causes more vagal stimulation than any other irritant. "The Last Temptation of Christ" could have been a psychadelic trip, right on the cross. Pagan legend says that Odin, Hecate and Ixtab had an easier way, but, www.holotropic.com publishes the safest way to take an invigorating vacation in Hell. You can even visit the "lake of fire" where the time spaces are bent to pi values less than 2.718…, where the entropy production rate, polarity cancellation rate, is so great that everything is in flames. Why would THEY barricade Hell’s Gate when THEY are always telling us to go there. http://community.webtv.net/mpereira/TheSecretsofthe
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It could be medication, schizophrenia or a combination of medication and schizophrenia that reduces reading ability. For several years I couldn’t read a newspaper reading one sentence was a task in itself. But if your recently just coming out of psychosis it gets better with time. On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 05:41:05 GMT, "ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->has anybody noticed slowed thinking such as when trying to read, when on >these medications. it is very frustrating.
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but with all the messages on this newsgroup it seems like the other people can focus well? or am i wrong. i mean for example i have trouble just focusing on and reading the messages here. i’ve had 4 episodes this year alone, the last one in april; maybe it is just leftover from that? and supposedly everytime you’re psychotic it causes brain damage? (not positive about this) "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVE_ME_PLE…@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:r10Rc.588$9ak1.352@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am on…well, I am on many different medications, but I am not aware of > which one is for which, as I have both schizophrenia and depression, along > with another thing or two here and there, but I can honestly say that I am > experiencing the same that you are. I can read an either page in a book, and > then not remember anything from what I have just read. Also, I can not read > as well or nearly as quick as I once could.
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I had a cat scan after last episode the doctor said I had frontal lobe atrophy or permanent brain damage. He had said before that episode that if I had another episode that would be it I would be on medication for life. I’m not on antipsychotics but don’t rule it out if necessary. I find clonazepam will do the job to get over the overly intense times. Six years ago I couldn’t type on the keyboard or read a paragraph the fog can last for several years. I stopped the medication when seroquel was actually causing more hallucinations than without any medication. Like another pdoc said anti-psychotics make a well person sick. So as you get better discuss with doc about reducing meds. Four episodes in a year it will take awhile for the fog to lift. On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 23:28:06 GMT, "ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->but with all the messages on this newsgroup it seems like the other people >can focus well? or am i wrong. i mean for example i have trouble just >focusing on and reading the messages here. >i’ve had 4 episodes this year alone, the last one in april; maybe it is just >leftover from that? and supposedly everytime you’re psychotic it causes >brain damage? (not positive about this) >"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVE_ME_PLE…@rogers.com> wrote in message >news:r10Rc.588$9ak1.352@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… >> I am on…well, I am on many different medications, but I am not aware of >> which one is for which, as I have both schizophrenia and depression, along >> with another thing or two here and there, but I can honestly say that I am >> experiencing the same that you are. I can read an either page in a book, >and >> then not remember anything from what I have just read. Also, I can not >read >> as well or nearly as quick as I once could.
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Funny you should bring that up. Without my anti-psychotic, I wouldn’t be able to read a complete sentence much less a whole book. That was one my worse symptoms, trying to concentrate. My anti-psychotic allows me to concentrate normally, as I see it. In fact, I often wait until it "kicks in" before trying to tackle reading something difficult. I owe all my intellectual achievements to the inventors of those drugs. "ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:RXZQc.2458$Bt5.472@twister.socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> has anybody noticed slowed thinking such as when trying to read, when on > these medications. it is very frustrating.
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I have the same problem the antipsycotics slow my thinking and make it hard to read. Try a newer med or see if you can try reducing the dose of the one you’re on. take care penguin
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I can focus alright at times (for example I can drive fine), and at other times I can not focus at all. What does your doctor say about that stuff? Maybe you are not on the proper meds? I know I, for example, have been on many different meds, and I need to be on different ones now, but where I live (smaller town in Ontario, Canada) its hard to find a good psychiatrist. Anyhow, I know where you are coming from, so feel free to e-mail me at anytime for questions or to talk. 
"ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:aAdRc.2631$Qa4.704@twister.socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> but with all the messages on this newsgroup it seems like the other people > can focus well? or am i wrong. i mean for example i have trouble just > focusing on and reading the messages here. > i’ve had 4 episodes this year alone, the last one in april; maybe it is just > leftover from that? and supposedly everytime you’re psychotic it causes > brain damage? (not positive about this) > "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVE_ME_PLE…@rogers.com> wrote in message > news:r10Rc.588$9ak1.352@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… > > I am on…well, I am on many different medications, but I am not aware of > > which one is for which, as I have both schizophrenia and depression, along > > with another thing or two here and there, but I can honestly say that I am > > experiencing the same that you are. I can read an either page in a book, > and > > then not remember anything from what I have just read. Also, I can not > read > > as well or nearly as quick as I once could.
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Hi again, and sorry I took so long to respond. IMHO, if you think that hte vitamins will help you better then the Zyprexa, then I would give it a try. It is all up to you. "ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:RdhUc.8449$Qa4.80@twister.socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks for the offer. I am on Zyprexa and trying to whittle it down to > nothing; I’m down to 3.75 mg now. Instead of these medicines my mom and I > are trying vitamin therapy, where i take a lot of vitamins. I basically > think this is from the Zyprexa, as I remember having this problem on > Risperdal when I took it, and it got better when I didn’t. > "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVE_ME_PLE…@rogers.com> wrote in message > news:MIBSc.1648241$Ar.681942@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… > > I can focus alright at times (for example I can drive fine), and at other > > times I can not focus at all. What does your doctor say about that stuff? > > Maybe you are not on the proper meds? I know I, for example, have been on > > many different meds, and I need to be on different ones now, but where I > > live (smaller town in Ontario, Canada) its hard to find a good > psychiatrist. > > Anyhow, I know where you are coming from, so feel free to e-mail me at > > anytime for questions or to talk. > > "ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:aAdRc.2631$Qa4.704@twister.socal.rr.com… > > > but with all the messages on this newsgroup it seems like the other > people > > > can focus well? or am i wrong. i mean for example i have trouble just > > > focusing on and reading the messages here. > > > i’ve had 4 episodes this year alone, the last one in april; maybe it is > > just > > > leftover from that? and supposedly everytime you’re psychotic it causes > > > brain damage? (not positive about this) > > > "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVE_ME_PLE…@rogers.com> wrote in message > > > news:r10Rc.588$9ak1.352@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… > > > > I am on…well, I am on many different medications, but I am not aware > > of > > > > which one is for which, as I have both schizophrenia and depression, > > along > > > > with another thing or two here and there, but I can honestly say that > I > > am > > > > experiencing the same that you are. I can read an either page in a > book, > > > and > > > > then not remember anything from what I have just read. Also, I can not > > > read > > > > as well or nearly as quick as I once could.
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Thanks for the offer. I am on Zyprexa and trying to whittle it down to nothing; I’m down to 3.75 mg now. Instead of these medicines my mom and I are trying vitamin therapy, where i take a lot of vitamins. I basically think this is from the Zyprexa, as I remember having this problem on Risperdal when I took it, and it got better when I didn’t. "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVE_ME_PLE…@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:MIBSc.1648241$Ar.681942@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I can focus alright at times (for example I can drive fine), and at other > times I can not focus at all. What does your doctor say about that stuff? > Maybe you are not on the proper meds? I know I, for example, have been on > many different meds, and I need to be on different ones now, but where I > live (smaller town in Ontario, Canada) its hard to find a good psychiatrist. > Anyhow, I know where you are coming from, so feel free to e-mail me at > anytime for questions or to talk. > "ajchang" <ajch…@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:aAdRc.2631$Qa4.704@twister.socal.rr.com… > > but with all the messages on this newsgroup it seems like the other people > > can focus well? or am i wrong. i mean for example i have trouble just > > focusing on and reading the messages here. > > i’ve had 4 episodes this year alone, the last one in april; maybe it is > just > > leftover from that? and supposedly everytime you’re psychotic it causes > > brain damage? (not positive about this) > > "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVE_ME_PLE…@rogers.com> wrote in message > > news:r10Rc.588$9ak1.352@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com… > > > I am on…well, I am on many different medications, but I am not aware > of > > > which one is for which, as I have both schizophrenia and depression, > along > > > with another thing or two here and there, but I can honestly say that I > am > > > experiencing the same that you are. I can read an either page in a book, > > and > > > then not remember anything from what I have just read. Also, I can not > > read > > > as well or nearly as quick as I once could.
