average length of menopause
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I had a partial hysterectomy at age 32, and started having hot flashes at age 46, so I haven’t a clue when my last period would have been. Pat
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Cathy Friedmann <c…@adelphia.net> wrote: > "Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2i6pnaFk36qfU1@uni-berlin.de… > > <snip> Many women who -are- fully menopausal > > (one year with no bleeding) still have hot flashes.
It’s that "still" that bothers me–I never had them while I was still having periods…. > > Right, Cathy and Sharon? > Right. I didn’t get any hot flashes until I was a couple of months into > menopause; IOW – 2 months after last period. And those first couple of > batches were mere warm flashes – no big deal; I actually found them rather > amusing (hard to believe now!).
Yup–I was beginning to wonder whether air-conditioner thermostats were going crazy in my presence…. > By the third bout, however… lo & behold: honest-to-goodness hot flashes.
No transitional period, but suddenly, yes, there they are. Not too often, yet, but I’m not getting complacent. ________________________________________________________________________ Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com) If you want a reply by e-mail, don’t write to my Yahoo address!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Louise Bremner wrote: > Cathy Friedmann <c…@adelphia.net> wrote: >>"Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:2i6pnaFk36qfU1@uni-berlin.de… >>><snip> Many women who -are- fully menopausal >>>(one year with no bleeding) still have hot flashes. > It’s that "still" that bothers me–I never had them while I was still > having periods…. >>>Right, Cathy and Sharon? >>Right. I didn’t get any hot flashes until I was a couple of months into >>menopause; IOW – 2 months after last period. And those first couple of >>batches were mere warm flashes – no big deal; I actually found them rather >>amusing (hard to believe now!). > Yup–I was beginning to wonder whether air-conditioner thermostats were > going crazy in my presence…. >>By the third bout, however… lo & behold: honest-to-goodness hot flashes. > No transitional period, but suddenly, yes, there they are. Not too > often, yet, but I’m not getting complacent.
Hubster has been complaining about getting hot flashes lately… FurPaw
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>From: FurPaw >Hubster has been complaining about getting hot flashes lately…
Mine has had them for years. Sharon……..Don’t think of it as getting hot flashes. Think of it as your inner child playing with matches.
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FurPaw <furpawnews…@comcast.net> wrote: > >>By the third bout, however… lo & behold: honest-to-goodness hot flashes. > > No transitional period, but suddenly, yes, there they are. Not too > > often, yet, but I’m not getting complacent. > Hubster has been complaining about getting hot flashes lately…
Yup–didn’t think to mention they aren’t really specific to menopause anyway…. ________________________________________________________________________ Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com) If you want a reply by e-mail, don’t write to my Yahoo address!
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"Louise Bremner" <dame_zum…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1gesogw.ox1j7gitawr1N%dame_zumari@yahoo.com… > FurPaw <furpawnews…@comcast.net> wrote: > > >>By the third bout, however… lo & behold: honest-to-goodness hot flashes. > > > No transitional period, but suddenly, yes, there they are. Not too > > > often, yet, but I’m not getting complacent. > > Hubster has been complaining about getting hot flashes lately… > Yup–didn’t think to mention they aren’t really specific to menopause > anyway….
Too much of a coincidence, in my mind, that mine showed up 2 months after my last period, & got progressively worse, before starting to (relatively) wind down a few years post-meno. They showed up in tandem w/ horrid insomnia. Flashes by day, insomnia by night. Also, why, if they’re not related to menopause, do millions of menopausal woman complain about hot flashes – yet we don’t hear from hoards of men about them being a rather obnoxious part of life? What triggers them in men who get them, I have no clue. Cathy
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"Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:2i74qkFjonbjU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Louise Bremner" <dame_zum…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1gesogw.ox1j7gitawr1N%dame_zumari@yahoo.com… > > FurPaw <furpawnews…@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >>By the third bout, however… lo & behold: honest-to-goodness hot > flashes. > > > > No transitional period, but suddenly, yes, there they are. Not too > > > > often, yet, but I’m not getting complacent. > > > Hubster has been complaining about getting hot flashes lately… > > Yup–didn’t think to mention they aren’t really specific to menopause > > anyway…. > Too much of a coincidence, in my mind, that mine showed up 2 months after my > last period, & got progressively worse, before starting to (relatively) wind > down a few years post-meno. They showed up in tandem w/ horrid insomnia. > Flashes by day, insomnia by night. > Also, why, if they’re not related to menopause,
She didn’t say "not ~related~ to menopause", she said "not ~specific~ to menopause". There’s a noticeable difference. do millions of menopausal > woman complain about hot flashes – yet we don’t hear from hoards of men > about them being a rather obnoxious part of life?
I think it’s that macho thing. What guy wants to complain to his buds about something considered to be a women’s issue? > What triggers them in men who get them, I have no clue.
My husband had them for several years, and is starting to occasionally get them again. (Night sweats, only.) Marilee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cathy
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"Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2i78i1Fjrn99U1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:2i74qkFjonbjU1@uni-berlin.de… > > "Louise Bremner" <dame_zum…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1gesogw.ox1j7gitawr1N%dame_zumari@yahoo.com… > > > FurPaw <furpawnews…@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > >>By the third bout, however… lo & behold: honest-to-goodness hot > > flashes. > > > > > No transitional period, but suddenly, yes, there they are. Not too > > > > > often, yet, but I’m not getting complacent. > > > > Hubster has been complaining about getting hot flashes lately… > > > Yup–didn’t think to mention they aren’t really specific to menopause > > > anyway…. > > Too much of a coincidence, in my mind, that mine showed up 2 months after > my > > last period, & got progressively worse, before starting to (relatively) > wind > > down a few years post-meno. They showed up in tandem w/ horrid insomnia. > > Flashes by day, insomnia by night. > > Also, why, if they’re not related to menopause, > She didn’t say "not ~related~ to menopause", she said "not ~specific~ to > menopause". There’s a noticeable difference.
Oh. Sometimes nuances escape me. I get it now. > do millions of menopausal > > woman complain about hot flashes – yet we don’t hear from hoards of men > > about them being a rather obnoxious part of life? > I think it’s that macho thing. What guy wants to complain to his buds about > something considered to be a women’s issue? > > What triggers them in men who get them, I have no clue. > My husband had them for several years, and is starting to occasionally get > them again. (Night sweats, only.)
There has to be *something(s)* that triggers them – for him & any other men. Wonder what it is/they are? Otoh, if menopausal hot flashes haven’t really been figured out yet, then I guess no one’s figured those out… Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Marilee > > Cathy
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"Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:2i79jiFjuqv5U1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2i78i1Fjrn99U1@uni-berlin.de… > > She didn’t say "not ~related~ to menopause", she said "not ~specific~ to > > menopause". There’s a noticeable difference. > Oh. Sometimes nuances escape me. I get it now. > > I think it’s that macho thing. What guy wants to complain to his buds > about > > something considered to be a women’s issue? > > My husband had them for several years, and is starting to occasionally get > > them again. (Night sweats, only.) > There has to be *something(s)* that triggers them – for him & any other men. > Wonder what it is/they are? Otoh, if menopausal hot flashes haven’t really > been figured out yet, then I guess no one’s figured those out…
Men have hormones, too….. Marilee
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"Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2i79ufFk9kleU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:2i79jiFjuqv5U1@uni-berlin.de… > > "Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:2i78i1Fjrn99U1@uni-berlin.de… > > > She didn’t say "not ~related~ to menopause", she said "not ~specific~ to > > > menopause". There’s a noticeable difference. > > Oh. Sometimes nuances escape me. I get it now. > > > I think it’s that macho thing. What guy wants to complain to his buds > > about > > > something considered to be a women’s issue?
Maybe… I already considered thatm – first thing I thought of; but if a guy’s flashes were anything as annoying as some of mine have been, I think he’d wind up complaining to at least some people. And the cat’d eventually be out of the bag. > > > My husband had them for several years, and is starting to occasionally > get > > > them again. (Night sweats, only.) > > There has to be *something(s)* that triggers them – for him & any other > men. > > Wonder what it is/they are? Otoh, if menopausal hot flashes haven’t > really > > been figured out yet, then I guess no one’s figured those out… > Men have hormones, too…..
True, but supposedly (AFAIK) they don’t take the quick & rather drastic dips (& rises?) that ours do. But rather a s-lo-w, grad-u-al thing. Or is that conventional wisdom not necessarily true, perhaps? IOW – maybe (for some men, at least) small windows of quick dips, for example? Cathy
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Cathy Friedmann <c…@adelphia.net> wrote: > > > What triggers them in men who get them, I have no clue. > > My husband had them for several years, and is starting to occasionally get > > them again. (Night sweats, only.) > There has to be *something(s)* that triggers them – for him & any other men. > Wonder what it is/they are? Otoh, if menopausal hot flashes haven’t really > been figured out yet, then I guess no one’s figured those out…
I’ve noticed that my husband gets horrendous night sweats recently, but he hasn’t commented on them yet. ________________________________________________________________________ Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com) If you want a reply by e-mail, don’t write to my Yahoo address!
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"Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:2i7bi5Fjuki8U1@uni-berlin.de… > "Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2i79ufFk9kleU1@uni-berlin.de… > > "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > > news:2i79jiFjuqv5U1@uni-berlin.de… > Maybe… I already considered thatm – first thing I thought of; but if a > guy’s flashes were anything as annoying as some of mine have been, I think > he’d wind up complaining to at least some people. And the cat’d eventually > be out of the bag.
I don’t think guys talk about that kind of thing the way women do. Besides that, they ~do~ complain to some people. My husband mentions it to me and his doctor, but he surely doesn’t tell the guys he goes hunting with, or the other agents in his sales district, or the client across the desk. He just wouldn’t do that, nor would most men, IMO. The cat’s out of the bag about as far as it’s getting, I think. We know here that some men have hot flashes. It’s not a secret. It’s out there. It’s just not common knowledge, and the guys that have them seem to think they’re rare birds. Personally, I think it’s a closely guarded but fairly common secret. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > My husband had them for several years, and is starting to occasionally > > get > > > > them again. (Night sweats, only.) > > > There has to be *something(s)* that triggers them – for him & any other > > men. > > > Wonder what it is/they are? Otoh, if menopausal hot flashes haven’t > > really > > > been figured out yet, then I guess no one’s figured those out… > > Men have hormones, too….. > True, but supposedly (AFAIK) they don’t take the quick & rather drastic dips > (& rises?) that ours do.
But not all women have hot flashes, either, yet we all go through menopause. There’s no proof, as far as I know, that hot flashes are caused by estrogen fluctuations. It’s a theory. It could be wrong. But rather a s-lo-w, grad-u-al thing. Or is that > conventional wisdom not necessarily true, perhaps? IOW – maybe (for some > men, at least) small windows of quick dips, for example?
I don’t have your answers. I don’t think anyone does. Marilee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cathy
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"Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2i7f31Fk3a7sU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:2i7bi5Fjuki8U1@uni-berlin.de… > > "Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:2i79ufFk9kleU1@uni-berlin.de… > > > "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > > > news:2i79jiFjuqv5U1@uni-berlin.de… > > Maybe… I already considered thatm – first thing I thought of; but if a > > guy’s flashes were anything as annoying as some of mine have been, I think > > he’d wind up complaining to at least some people. And the cat’d > eventually > > be out of the bag. > I don’t think guys talk about that kind of thing the way women do. > Besides that, they ~do~ complain to some people. My husband mentions it to > me and his doctor, but he surely doesn’t tell the guys he goes hunting with, > or the other agents in his sales district, or the client across the desk. > He just wouldn’t do that, nor would most men, IMO. The cat’s out of the bag > about as far as it’s getting, I think. We know here that some men have hot > flashes. It’s not a secret. It’s out there. It’s just not common > knowledge, and the guys that have them seem to think they’re rare birds. > Personally, I think it’s a closely guarded but fairly common secret.
But if they tell their doctors, wouldn’t that be a launching pad? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > My husband had them for several years, and is starting to > occasionally > > > get > > > > > them again. (Night sweats, only.) > > > > There has to be *something(s)* that triggers them – for him & any > other > > > men. > > > > Wonder what it is/they are? Otoh, if menopausal hot flashes haven’t > > > really > > > > been figured out yet, then I guess no one’s figured those out… > > > Men have hormones, too….. > > True, but supposedly (AFAIK) they don’t take the quick & rather drastic > dips > > (& rises?) that ours do. > But not all women have hot flashes, either, yet we all go through menopause. > There’s no proof, as far as I know, that hot flashes are caused by estrogen > fluctuations. It’s a theory. It could be wrong. > But rather a s-lo-w, grad-u-al thing. Or is that > > conventional wisdom not necessarily true, perhaps? IOW – maybe (for some > > men, at least) small windows of quick dips, for example? > I don’t have your answers. I don’t think anyone does.
Neither do I. Think anyone does. But food for thought… Cathy
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"Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in news:2i74qkFjonbjU1@uni- berlin.de: > Also, why, if they’re not related to menopause, do millions of menopausal > woman complain about hot flashes – yet we don’t hear from hoards of men > about them being a rather obnoxious part of life?
Maybe they’re just used to having their glands make them think it’s too warm in here. ;-) Chakolate — In mathematics you don’t understand things. You just get used to them. –Johann von Neumann
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"Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:2i7fadFk339hU1@uni-berlin.de… > But if they tell their doctors, wouldn’t that be a launching pad?
A launching pad for what? Marilee
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"Chakolate" <chakolateDeathToSpamm…@allvantage.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94FCD94E21B09chakolatehotmailcom@130.133.1.4… > "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in news:2i74qkFjonbjU1@uni- > berlin.de: > > Also, why, if they’re not related to menopause, do millions of menopausal > > woman complain about hot flashes – yet we don’t hear from hoards of men > > about them being a rather obnoxious part of life? > Maybe they’re just used to having their glands make them think it’s too > warm in here. ;-)
I also don’t think men actually allow themselves to think of them as "hot flashes". They’d just claim they were "suddenly too warm" and toss open a window or something. Marilee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Chakolate > — > In mathematics you don’t understand things. You just get used to them. > –Johann von Neumann
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"Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2i7gfdFjk0rmU1@uni-berlin.de… > "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in message > news:2i7fadFk339hU1@uni-berlin.de… > > But if they tell their doctors, wouldn’t that be a launching pad? > A launching pad for what? > Marilee
General knowledge that they exist. If enough doctors hear it enough, they’re going to start telling one another… And eventually a launching pad for finding out what’s causing them. Although I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one. Cathy
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: "Marilee" >"Chakolate" <chakolateDeathToSpamm…@allvantage.com> wrote in message >news:Xns94FCD94E21B09chakolatehotmailcom@130.133.1.4… >> "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in news:2i74qkFjonbjU1@uni- >> berlin.de: >> > Also, why, if they’re not related to menopause, do millions of >menopausal >> > woman complain about hot flashes – yet we don’t hear from hoards of men >> > about them being a rather obnoxious part of life? >> Maybe they’re just used to having their glands make them think it’s too >> warm in here. ;-) >I also don’t think men actually allow themselves to think of them as "hot >flashes". They’d just claim they were "suddenly too warm" and toss open a >window or something.
My husband has been heat-sensitive for as long as I’ve known him. He has lifelong dermatitis,which acts up if he gets overly warm,so he avoids dressing too warmly. Sharon……..Don’t think of it as getting hot flashes. Think of it as your inner child playing with matches.
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"Marilee" <marilee_…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2i7ghuFj66ntU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Chakolate" <chakolateDeathToSpamm…@allvantage.com> wrote in message > news:Xns94FCD94E21B09chakolatehotmailcom@130.133.1.4… > > "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@adelphia.net> wrote in news:2i74qkFjonbjU1@uni- > > berlin.de: > > > Also, why, if they’re not related to menopause, do millions of > menopausal > > > woman complain about hot flashes – yet we don’t hear from hoards of men > > > about them being a rather obnoxious part of life? > > Maybe they’re just used to having their glands make them think it’s too > > warm in here. ;-) > I also don’t think men actually allow themselves to think of them as "hot > flashes". They’d just claim they were "suddenly too warm" and toss open a > window or something.
But – they’re (hot flashes) so different than feeling like it’s simply too warm in a room. One can tell that the heat’s emanating from your own body; you feel like a veritable radiator – at least I do. It would take a _lot_ of self-convincing, after experiencing a bunch of them, to think that the hot flashes aren’t down to one’s own body Vs. the environment. Cathy
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: "Cathy Friedmann" >"Pstanton12" <pstanto…@aol.com> wrote in message >news:20040602151702.02519.00000365@mb-m01.aol.com… >> I know that everyone is different, but does anyone know the average length >of >> menopause- from the first symptom to the last? >> Pat >Nope, not me. >Considering I still get some bouts of hot flashes & the occasional outbreak >of zits, & insomnia, I’ve been having symptoms for a minimum of 14 years. >Peri itself lasted 6
