can't get to sleep
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "h.sanders" wrote: > > I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here before that I > > was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights without > > literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally suggested > > Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to cancer > > patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d had in > > years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined that I > > had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of Lorezapam > > and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of the > > innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could possilble > > adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for the > > insomnia. > I’ve just recently started thinking about insomia because of all the new insomniacs > posting and the fact that Mike is back <g>. I find it depressing for me, just > thinking about it. > The thought that came to my mind is, with OSA and insomnia, when the insomnia lets > you fall asleep, ,the OSA wakes you. If you are using xpap, at least the OSA doesn’t > wake you. > Make any sense to anyone else? > > I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate what > > worked for me. > > Cheers, > > Hal S. > — > Sleep well/eat well/be well > Norm > To email replace nospam with rr
Norm, what you mentioned makes sense but I think some unknown as yet brain imbalance or Unknown Insomnia Factor 
) is in play. Recently, I’ve had Lori wake my ass up whenever she sees me sleeping without my gear on. Sometimes I can fall back asleep rigged up, sometimes I can’t. I almost never can go to sleep initially wearing the mask or nasal pillows or whatever new stuff I’m trying. This is wearing me down! Mike — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.441 / Virus Database: 247 – Release Date: 1/9/2003
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news:3E1DC60E.7E1403F3@socal.nospam.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lori&Mike wrote: > > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been on my > > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in those 16 > > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. I am at > > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the pressure > > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and feel like > > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved for > > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for couple 2 > > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I woke up > > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight to use > > > it. > > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and just roll > > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through without > > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I would > > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for even a > > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > > welcome??? > > > still sleepless in Kansas City > > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want my newest > > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it on (just > > got is yesterday). > What size and ‘depth’ are you using? Uncomfortable in what way(s)? So you’re just > getting started with non-ST bipap and FFM. Right?
Sorry, brain fart! It’s a Aclaim 2 http://www.cpap-pro.net/aclaim2.shtml not Mirage (not FFM). I’m going to go give it another try since I’m about to drop on my face. Good night to all the great people. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my BiPAP either. > > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you are dog > > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get up and do > > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot bath and after > > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure something out, > > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > > — > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 > — > Sleep well/eat well/be well > Norm > To email replace nospam with rr
— Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.441 / Virus Database: 247 – Release Date: 1/9/2003
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news:3E1DC7B0.FEE6CFE1@socal.nospam.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "h.sanders" wrote: > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > > news:v1qosu2f8h0382@corp.supernews.com… > > > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been on > > my > > > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in those > > 16 > > > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. I > > am at > > > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the > > pressure > > > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and feel > > like > > > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved for > > > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for > > couple 2 > > > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I woke > > up > > > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight to > > use > > > > it. > > > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and just > > roll > > > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through > > without > > > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I > > would > > > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for even a > > > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > > > welcome??? > > > > still sleepless in Kansas City > > > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want my > > newest > > > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it on > > (just > > > got is yesterday). > > > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my BiPAP > > either. > > > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you are > > dog > > > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get up > > and do > > > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot bath > > and after > > > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure something > > out, > > > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > > > — > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 > > >———————————————- > > I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here before that I > > was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights without > > literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally suggested > > Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to cancer > > patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d had in > > years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined that I > > had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of Lorezapam > > and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of the > > innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could possilble > > adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for the > > insomnia. > I’ve just recently started thinking about insomia because of all the new insomniacs > posting and the fact that Mike is back <g>. I find it depressing for me, just > thinking about it. > The thought that came to my mind is, with OSA and insomnia, when the insomnia lets > you fall asleep, ,the OSA wakes you. If you are using xpap, at least the OSA doesn’t > wake you. > Make any sense to anyone else? > > ——————————————————————–
Norm: I disagree. Insomnia prevents one from going to sleep, so how is the OSA going to wake you when you haven’t gotten to sleep? One has to get to sleep first, and the small dosage of Lorazepam enables me to sleep. And then the Bi-PAP controls the OSA to alllow me to continue sleeping. Once again, we’re all different. But as they say, "That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it." Cheers, Hal S. Remember: amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic. ————————————————————————– – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate what > > worked for me. > > Cheers, > > Hal S. > — > Sleep well/eat well/be well > Norm > To email replace nospam with rr
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A year with CPAP/BIPAP has had absolutely no effect on my persistent Insomnia, but my sleep doc insists that I "keep using the BiPAP, it’s helping you, but I can’t treat Insomnia. It’s not going to get any better. Keep using the Ambien, but not every night.".
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"h.sanders" wrote: > "NormC" <no…@socal.nospam.com> wrote in message > news:3E1E3CC2.B8BC36DB@socal.nospam.com… > > "h.sanders" wrote: > > > "NormC" <no…@socal.nospam.com> wrote in message > > > news:3E1DC7B0.FEE6CFE1@socal.nospam.com… > > > > "h.sanders" wrote: > > > > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > > > > > news:v1qosu2f8h0382@corp.supernews.com… > > > > > > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > > > > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > > > > > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve > been > > > on > > > > > my > > > > > > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but > in > > > those > > > > > 16 > > > > > > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap > machine. > > > I > > > > > am at > > > > > > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with > the > > > > > pressure > > > > > > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax > and > > > feel > > > > > like > > > > > > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m > starved > > > for > > > > > > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it > for > > > > > couple 2 > > > > > > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm > . I > > > woke > > > > > up > > > > > > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started > tonight > > > to > > > > > use > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine > and > > > just > > > > > roll > > > > > > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight > through > > > > > without > > > > > > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a > wink. I > > > > > would > > > > > > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for > > > even a > > > > > > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any > suggestion > > > > > > > welcome??? > > > > > > > still sleepless in Kansas City > > > > > > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t > want > > > my > > > > > newest > > > > > > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first > tried it > > > on > > > > > (just > > > > > > got is yesterday). > > > > > > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my > > > BiPAP > > > > > either. > > > > > > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when > you > > > are > > > > > dog > > > > > > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, > get > > > up > > > > > and do > > > > > > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot > > > bath > > > > > and after > > > > > > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure > > > something > > > > > out, > > > > > > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > > > > > > — > > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 > > > > > >———————————————- > > > > > I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here > before > > > that I > > > > > was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights > > > without > > > > > literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally > > > suggested > > > > > Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to > cancer > > > > > patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d > had > > > in > > > > > years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined > > > that I > > > > > had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of > > > Lorezapam > > > > > and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of > the > > > > > innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could > possilble > > > > > adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for > the > > > > > insomnia. > > > > I’ve just recently started thinking about insomia because of all the > new > > > insomniacs > > > > posting and the fact that Mike is back <g>. I find it depressing for > me, > > > just > > > > thinking about it. > > > > The thought that came to my mind is, with OSA and insomnia, when the > > > insomnia lets > > > > you fall asleep, ,the OSA wakes you. If you are using xpap, at least > the > > > OSA doesn’t > > > > wake you. > > > > Make any sense to anyone else? > > > > > ——————————————————————– > > > Norm: I disagree. Insomnia prevents one from going to sleep, so how is > the > > > OSA going to wake you when you haven’t gotten to sleep? One has to get > to > > > sleep first, and the small dosage of Lorazepam enables me to sleep. And > then > > > the Bi-PAP controls the OSA to alllow me to continue sleeping. Once > again, > > > we’re all different. But as they say, "That’s my story, and I’m sticking > to > > > it." > > Good for you, sor sticking with it. I have no difference of opinion with > respect to > > what you say above. Seems our only difference is that I assume(d) that > some > > insomniacs can fall asleep without drugs, even though with great > difficulty. Your > > assumption, based on personal experience, is that no insomniac falls > asleep without > > drugs. No problem. > > ——————————————————————– > No, Norm: That’s not my assumption at all. My assumption, and it’s only > that, is that unless the insomnia is eliminated, CPAP/BiPAP treatment is > nigh unto impossible. I’m only saying the antianxiety drug took care of my > insomnia and then allowed BiPAP to work. – Hal > > > Cheers,
Think I got it now. Thanx. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Hal S. > > > Remember: amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic. > > ————————————————————————– > > > > > I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate > what > > > > > worked for me. > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Hal S. > > > > — > > > > Sleep well/eat well/be well > > > > Norm > > > > To email replace nospam with rr
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news:3E1E3CC2.B8BC36DB@socal.nospam.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "h.sanders" wrote: > > "NormC" <no…@socal.nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:3E1DC7B0.FEE6CFE1@socal.nospam.com… > > > "h.sanders" wrote: > > > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > > > > news:v1qosu2f8h0382@corp.supernews.com… > > > > > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > > > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > > > > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been > > on > > > > my > > > > > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in > > those > > > > 16 > > > > > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. > > I > > > > am at > > > > > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the > > > > pressure > > > > > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and > > feel > > > > like > > > > > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved > > for > > > > > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for > > > > couple 2 > > > > > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I > > woke > > > > up > > > > > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight > > to > > > > use > > > > > > it. > > > > > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and > > just > > > > roll > > > > > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through > > > > without > > > > > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I > > > > would > > > > > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for > > even a > > > > > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > > > > > welcome??? > > > > > > still sleepless in Kansas City > > > > > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want > > my > > > > newest > > > > > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it > > on > > > > (just > > > > > got is yesterday). > > > > > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my > > BiPAP > > > > either. > > > > > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you > > are > > > > dog > > > > > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get > > up > > > > and do > > > > > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot > > bath > > > > and after > > > > > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure > > something > > > > out, > > > > > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > > > > > — > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 > > > > >———————————————- > > > > I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here before > > that I > > > > was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights > > without > > > > literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally > > suggested > > > > Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to cancer > > > > patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d had > > in > > > > years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined > > that I > > > > had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of > > Lorezapam > > > > and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of the > > > > innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could possilble > > > > adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for the > > > > insomnia. > > > I’ve just recently started thinking about insomia because of all the new > > insomniacs > > > posting and the fact that Mike is back <g>. I find it depressing for me, > > just > > > thinking about it. > > > The thought that came to my mind is, with OSA and insomnia, when the > > insomnia lets > > > you fall asleep, ,the OSA wakes you. If you are using xpap, at least the > > OSA doesn’t > > > wake you. > > > Make any sense to anyone else? > > > > ——————————————————————– > > Norm: I disagree. Insomnia prevents one from going to sleep, so how is the > > OSA going to wake you when you haven’t gotten to sleep? One has to get to > > sleep first, and the small dosage of Lorazepam enables me to sleep. And then > > the Bi-PAP controls the OSA to alllow me to continue sleeping. Once again, > > we’re all different. But as they say, "That’s my story, and I’m sticking to > > it." > Good for you, sor sticking with it. I have no difference of opinion with respect to > what you say above. Seems our only difference is that I assume(d) that some > insomniacs can fall asleep without drugs, even though with great difficulty. Your > assumption, based on personal experience, is that no insomniac falls asleep without > drugs. No problem. > ——————————————————————–
No, Norm: That’s not my assumption at all. My assumption, and it’s only that, is that unless the insomnia is eliminated, CPAP/BiPAP treatment is nigh unto impossible. I’m only saying the antianxiety drug took care of my insomnia and then allowed BiPAP to work. – Hal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Cheers, > > Hal S. > > Remember: amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic. > ————————————————————————– > > > > I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate what > > > > worked for me. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Hal S. > > > — > > > Sleep well/eat well/be well > > > Norm > > > To email replace nospam with rr
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"h.sanders" wrote: > "NormC" <no…@socal.nospam.com> wrote in message > news:3E1DC7B0.FEE6CFE1@socal.nospam.com… > > "h.sanders" wrote: > > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > > > news:v1qosu2f8h0382@corp.supernews.com… > > > > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > > > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been > on > > > my > > > > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in > those > > > 16 > > > > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. > I > > > am at > > > > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the > > > pressure > > > > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and > feel > > > like > > > > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved > for > > > > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for > > > couple 2 > > > > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I > woke > > > up > > > > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight > to > > > use > > > > > it. > > > > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and > just > > > roll > > > > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through > > > without > > > > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I > > > would > > > > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for > even a > > > > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > > > > welcome??? > > > > > still sleepless in Kansas City > > > > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want > my > > > newest > > > > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it > on > > > (just > > > > got is yesterday). > > > > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my > BiPAP > > > either. > > > > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you > are > > > dog > > > > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get > up > > > and do > > > > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot > bath > > > and after > > > > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure > something > > > out, > > > > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > > > > — > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 > > > >———————————————- > > > I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here before > that I > > > was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights > without > > > literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally > suggested > > > Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to cancer > > > patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d had > in > > > years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined > that I > > > had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of > Lorezapam > > > and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of the > > > innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could possilble > > > adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for the > > > insomnia. > > I’ve just recently started thinking about insomia because of all the new > insomniacs > > posting and the fact that Mike is back <g>. I find it depressing for me, > just > > thinking about it. > > The thought that came to my mind is, with OSA and insomnia, when the > insomnia lets > > you fall asleep, ,the OSA wakes you. If you are using xpap, at least the > OSA doesn’t > > wake you. > > Make any sense to anyone else? > > > ——————————————————————– > Norm: I disagree. Insomnia prevents one from going to sleep, so how is the > OSA going to wake you when you haven’t gotten to sleep? One has to get to > sleep first, and the small dosage of Lorazepam enables me to sleep. And then > the Bi-PAP controls the OSA to alllow me to continue sleeping. Once again, > we’re all different. But as they say, "That’s my story, and I’m sticking to > it."
Good for you, sor sticking with it. I have no difference of opinion with respect to what you say above. Seems our only difference is that I assume(d) that some insomniacs can fall asleep without drugs, even though with great difficulty. Your assumption, based on personal experience, is that no insomniac falls asleep without drugs. No problem. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cheers, > Hal S. > Remember: amateurs built the ark; professionals built the Titanic. > ————————————————————————– > > > I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate what > > > worked for me. > > > Cheers, > > > Hal S. > > — > > Sleep well/eat well/be well > > Norm > > To email replace nospam with rr
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I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been on my bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in those 16 nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. I am at 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the pressure as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and feel like I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved for air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for couple 2 or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I woke up 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight to use it. Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and just roll over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through without waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I would think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for even a little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion welcome??? still sleepless in Kansas City
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"Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message
news:v1qosu2f8h0382@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been on my > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in those 16 > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. I am at > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the pressure > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and feel like > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved for > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for couple 2 > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I woke up > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight to use > > it. > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and just roll > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through without > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I would > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for even a > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > welcome??? > > still sleepless in Kansas City > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want my newest > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it on (just > got is yesterday). > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my BiPAP either. > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you are dog > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get up and do > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot bath and after > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure something out, > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 >———————————————-
I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here before that I was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights without literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally suggested Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to cancer patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d had in years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined that I had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of Lorezapam and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of the innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could possilble adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for the insomnia. I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate what worked for me. Cheers, Hal S.
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"h.sanders" <h.sand…@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:qZiT9.495508$pN3.55161@sccrnsc03… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > news:v1qosu2f8h0382@corp.supernews.com… > > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been on > my > > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in those > 16 > > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. I > am at > > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the > pressure > > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and feel > like > > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved for > > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for > couple 2 > > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I woke > up > > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight to > use > > > it. > > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and just > roll > > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through > without > > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I > would > > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for even a > > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > > welcome??? > > > still sleepless in Kansas City > > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want my > newest > > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it on > (just > > got is yesterday). > > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my BiPAP > either. > > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you are > dog > > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get up > and do > > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot bath > and after > > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure something > out, > > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > > — > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 > >———————————————- > I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here before that I > was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights without > literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally suggested > Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to cancer > patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d had in > years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined that I > had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of Lorezapam > and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of the > innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could possilble > adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for the > insomnia. > I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate what > worked for me. > Cheers, > Hal S.
Thanks Hal, I agree. Usually when I mention my insomnia I just get this blank stare from doctors with "would you like some Ambien". Doctors don’t seem to have anything else in their knowledge base about insomnia. I’ll ask about the Ativan. thanks again. Mike — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.441 / Virus Database: 247 – Release Date: 1/9/2003
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"h.sanders" wrote: > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > news:v1qosu2f8h0382@corp.supernews.com… > > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been on > my > > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in those > 16 > > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. I > am at > > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the > pressure > > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and feel > like > > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved for > > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for > couple 2 > > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I woke > up > > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight to > use > > > it. > > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and just > roll > > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through > without > > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I > would > > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for even a > > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > > welcome??? > > > still sleepless in Kansas City > > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want my > newest > > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it on > (just > > got is yesterday). > > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my BiPAP > either. > > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you are > dog > > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get up > and do > > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot bath > and after > > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure something > out, > > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > > — > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 > >———————————————- > I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here before that I > was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights without > literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally suggested > Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to cancer > patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d had in > years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined that I > had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of Lorezapam > and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of the > innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could possilble > adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for the > insomnia.
I’ve just recently started thinking about insomia because of all the new insomniacs posting and the fact that Mike is back <g>. I find it depressing for me, just thinking about it. The thought that came to my mind is, with OSA and insomnia, when the insomnia lets you fall asleep, ,the OSA wakes you. If you are using xpap, at least the OSA doesn’t wake you. Make any sense to anyone else? > I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate what > worked for me. > Cheers, > Hal S.
– Sleep well/eat well/be well Norm To email replace nospam with rr
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lori&Mike wrote: > "h.sanders" <h.sand…@attbi.com> wrote in message > news:qZiT9.495508$pN3.55161@sccrnsc03… > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > > news:v1qosu2f8h0382@corp.supernews.com… > > > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been on > > my > > > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in those > > 16 > > > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. I > > am at > > > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the > > pressure > > > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and feel > > like > > > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved for > > > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for > > couple 2 > > > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I woke > > up > > > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight to > > use > > > > it. > > > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and just > > roll > > > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through > > without > > > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I > > would > > > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for even a > > > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > > > welcome??? > > > > still sleepless in Kansas City > > > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want my > > newest > > > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it on > > (just > > > got is yesterday). > > > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my BiPAP > > either. > > > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you are > > dog > > > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get up > > and do > > > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot bath > > and after > > > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure something > > out, > > > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > > > — > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003 > > >———————————————- > > I used to have horrible insomnia, also. I think I related here before that I > > was in the hospital three years ago and went several days and nights without > > literally sleeping a minute. I wise young pulmonoligist finally suggested > > Lorazepam — Ativin (sp?) — an antianxiety drug often given to cancer > > patients in larger doses. That first night I had the best sleep I’d had in > > years. It was more than two years later that it was also determined that I > > had OSA and some CSA. Anyway, I’m still taking a small dosage of Lorezapam > > and I’ve successfully adapted to BiPAP. I know sleep the sleep of the > > innocent. It is just my opinion, but I don’t see how one could possilble > > adapt to CPAP/BiPAP, without first getting successfual treatment for the > > insomnia. > > I realize all our cases are different, but I just wanted to relate what > > worked for me. > > Cheers, > > Hal S. > Thanks Hal, I agree. Usually when I mention my insomnia I just get this blank > stare from doctors with "would you like some Ambien". Doctors don’t seem to have > anything else in their knowledge base about insomnia.
Even the neurologist sleep doc? Appears you disagree with my reply to Hal S., although you had not yet read it when you posted here. > I’ll ask about the Ativan. > thanks again. Mike > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.441 / Virus Database: 247 – Release Date: 1/9/2003
– Sleep well/eat well/be well Norm To email replace nospam with rr
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lori&Mike wrote: > "healthnHome" <healthnh…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:mQadnR5eyvwJyoCjXTWcqg@comcast.com… > > I can’t seem to get to sleep at night. I have Sleep Apnea. I’ve been on my > > bipap since Dec 24 2002. Granted that’s only 16 nights now but in those 16 > > nights I have not fallen asleep once while using my bipap machine. I am at > > 14 over 10 on pressure. I don’t seem to have a problem with the pressure > > as far as breathing easy goes. My problem is I start to relax and feel like > > I’m getting close to falling asleep and then I feel like I’m starved for > > air. Then I get this panic feeling. Some nights I fight with it for couple 2 > > or 3 hours . Tonight I fell asleep watching TV around 11:30 pm . I woke up > > 12 :45 am. I just got a heated humidifier today and started tonight to use > > it. > > Some nights I have trouble and I give up turn off the machine and just roll > > over and fall right to sleep and sleep 4 or 5 hours straight through without > > waking.. Its now 4:50 am and I haven’t been able to sleep a wink. I would > > think that by now I could at least fall asleep at least once for even a > > little while. Tonight is a little worse than normal. Any suggestion > > welcome??? > > still sleepless in Kansas City > I hear ya! Stayed up all night (not on purpose) because I don’t want my newest > mask (Mirage 2) to be as uncomfortable as it was when I first tried it on (just > got is yesterday).
What size and ‘depth’ are you using? Uncomfortable in what way(s)? So you’re just getting started with non-ST bipap and FFM. Right? > Not sure what to tell you since I haven’t been successful with my BiPAP either. > One suggestion would be to put the mask/nasal pillows on only when you are dog > tired. If you feel yourself not able to sleep with your gear on, get up and do > something to stay awake (no stimulants) maybe watch TV. Take a hot bath and after > awhile try the gear again. Sorry, not much help. If you figure something out, > please post it. Mike, still sleepless in Miami Beach ) > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.438 / Virus Database: 246 – Release Date: 1/7/2003
– Sleep well/eat well/be well Norm To email replace nospam with rr
