ECA stack and insomnia
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Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the stack?
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: Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the stack? problems with this but some do. Decreasing the dosage to twice and none after3 pm should help. The half life of ephedrine is about four hours so it should be pretty much otta the system by a bedtime of 10 pm. hth, K in Cali
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Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the stack?
Yes….I add 1 gram of Tyrosine to my last dose of the day. Been sleeping like a baby! HTH!! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz! 
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Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the stack?
MHO: Don’t take the stack within 6 hours of going to sleep. Take a smaller dose. Total speculation: Licorice root contains a drug that inhibits the same anti-thermo enzyme caffeine does, maybe caffeine could be replaced with licorice. J J — How come it is PC to say "people of color" but not "colored people"? Remove the X to email me.
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problems with this but some do. Decreasing the dosage to twice and none after3 pm should help. The half life of ephedrine is about four hours so it should be pretty much otta the system by a bedtime of 10 pm.
How about caffine, K.? I’m pretty sensative to it (I try to only have it in the mornings). Do you know the time limit at which it shoud wear off? Also, do you think the stack could be at all helpful is one only took it once a day? I’ve never tried stacking, but I might give it a go eventually. Since you know more about the mechanics of these things, I thought I’d ask, james
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Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the stack?
You might try Herba Fuel (Twinlab) for your last dose of the day. It has much less caffeine, substituting polyphenols for half the caffeine. When I take my first does early enough to get a third dose in a day, I use the Herba Fuel for the third. It is a little pricey, since one dose of it is 3 capsules, where some of their other stack products are only 2 capsules per dose. Here are the active ingredients in Herba Fuel: MaHuang Extract 334mg – standardized for 20mg ephedra alkaloids Chinese Green Tea Exract 1500 mg - standardized for 7% caffeine and 20% polyphenols (The math comes out to 105mg caffeine, and 300mg polyphenols) — "There’s a seeker born every minute."
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Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the stack? Insomnia? AI wish,by the end of the day I fallinto bed can’t do any exercises or even read a magazine. I take 2 metabolifts at about 8 or 9 am then 2 more at about 4 – 6 pm and I have taken them as late as 8pm. I find throughout the day I have more energy but by 10 pm I am ready to crash. Is this unusual?
IMHO, you are taking too much. Half that dose would probably be better. With meds, less is often more. J — How come it is PC to say "people of color" but not "colored people"? Remove the X to email me.
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i knew someone would come with a pill to bring you geeeeeeeeesssssssssssszzzzzzzzzzzzz folks! rosie
I’ve heard many people (here and elsewhere) praise the stack as an effective means of weight loss. It won’t do it all for you, but it can be helpful. And it’s constructed out of well-known, thoroughly tested, over-the-counter medications. If you use over the counter cold medications (or take asperin for pain, or use medicine at all), I can’t see what your objection to the stack would be. Back when I didn’t diet at all, I used to consume quite a lot of Dr. Pepper in a typical day (1-2 liters of it, sometimes more). I was getting quite a lot of perfectly legal caffine in my system then, but it wasn’t helping me in any way since I was also ingesting all of that sugar. As far as anyone has ever shown, sugar is probably more harmful to you in the long run (if you consider tooth decay and obesity, not to mention diabetes) than caffine. I personaly dropped caffine from my diet a few years ago for two reasons, 1) my wife can’t have caffine so it’s easier for her if it’s not in the house, and 2) I’ve long sufferend from insomnia, and cutting out caffine and sugar helps me get to sleep (though I still get insomnia from time to time and almost always have some difficulty falling to sleep). Now, I’ve not used the stack, but I’ve used all of its components seperately (in fact, I’ve probably stacked ephedrine and caffine inadvertantly by washing down some mini-tins w/ a Dr. Pepper), so I can’t imagine that the combination is going to induce cardiac arrest in an otherwise healthy person (especially if you start out with a lower dosage and work up). It’s a personal decision, of course, as is dieting and exercise. And if you’d prefer another approach, that’s fine. But it seems silly to reject this one w/o any reason except a prejudice against medications. There are a lot of low-carbers on this group, but none of them have tried to convert me to low-carb (since I’m low-cal/low-fat). They recognize that different approaches work for different people. The fact that low-carb works for many people doesn’t invalidate other approaches or combinations of approaches. james
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Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the
stack? Insomnia? AI wish,by the end of the day I fallinto bed can’t do any exercises or even read a magazine. I take 2 metabolifts at about 8 or 9 am then 2 more at about 4 – 6 pm and I have taken them as late as 8pm. I find throughout the day I have more energy but by 10 pm I am ready to crash. Is this unusual?
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i knew someone would come with a pill to bring you geeeeeeeeesssssssssssszzzzzzzzzzzzz folks! rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the stack? Don’t take it after 6 p.m., and take supplements of 5-htp before bedtime. And there’s always melatonin! Craig
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Anybody found a good way to deal with the insomnia that you get with the stack?
Don’t take it after 6 p.m., and take supplements of 5-htp before bedtime. And there’s always melatonin! Craig
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i knew someone would come with a pill to bring you geeeeeeeeesssssssssssszzzzzzzzzzzzz folks! rosie
I’ll bet someone could come up with a pill nasty enough to take down big, disgusting, persistent roachies; any takers, anyone? Yes? Alrighty, then! Congratulations roachie, on attracting My attention. Phil will undoubtedly be elated and relieved to hear of your success. DATS — "Now sod off and grow some fucking lettuce or something!" – phil exrxes Flamer Extraordinaire June 25, 1998
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One question Jet, I thought licorice root was toxic?
In all my searches, the only negative I found to licorice root is that it will raise blood pressure when taken in very, very large amounts. J — How come it is PC to say "people of color" but not "colored people"? Remove the X to email me.
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As the title says, this is just speculation. I haven’t found enough info to really confirm this, so with that in mind here goes: Synephrine (from bitter orange), does stimulate some receptors, like ephedrine. Glycyrrhizic acid (form licorice root), inhibits the same enzyme caffeine does. Capsicum (from cayane) inhibits the same enzyme asprin does. J — How come it is PC to say "people of color" but not "colored people"? Remove the X to email me.
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One question Jet, I thought licorice root was toxic? In all my searches, the only negative I found to licorice root is that it will raise blood pressure when taken in very, very large amounts. J — How come it is PC to say "people of color" but not "colored people"?
Because people comes first in "people of colour" and color comes first in "colored people". Also, colored people could be people wearing make-up, such as Al Jolson or even that Ronald McDonald clown, whereas people of colour are not made-up to have a colour. I think!
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: As the title says, this is just speculation. I haven’t found enough info : to really confirm this, so with that in mind here goes: : Synephrine (from bitter orange), does stimulate some receptors, like : ephedrine. : Glycyrrhizic acid (form licorice root), inhibits the same enzyme : caffeine does. : Capsicum (from cayane) inhibits the same enzyme asprin does. Do you know anyone who’s tried the combo? I haven’t been too tempted by the thought of the ECA stack because I seem to be affected in the extreme by any kind of stimulant. Half a cup of coffee, and I’m shakey for hours, that kind of thing. But a non-stimulant alternative would be interesting. Julie
