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>schu…@aol.com (Schupra)wrote: >. Actually it’s a >Target Wallpaper Trek as I plan to ‘hit’ 4-6 Targets on the drive.
I *love* Target and wish I had one nearby…I’m jealous! Martha
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Cathy Friedmann wrote: > Ooh, Susan, you are *so* accommodating. 
) This place is getting better & > better! If I can get someone to massage the lower back of my head – there’s > one spot on either side that creates a soporific effect, I’ll be there every > evening. 
) You mean there’s a lawn & perhaps a garden outside, too?? > Is the weeping willow next to a duck pond, perhaps? Oh – & how about > outside seating for those lovely summer nights?
Chinese lanterns! Lightning bugs! and a nice big bed of nicotiana — that stuff smells *fabulous at night! > Anyone else like any of > these ideas? Can Susan sort of just waft them into place??
It’s her virtuality, she can do anything she wants with it. (-; –Pat Kight getting a little antsy for some balmy spring nights … kig…@peak.org
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Thank you for all of that wafting! ) Sounds lovely! Have a safe trip & enjoy. Cathy Schupra <schu…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000306105716.02205.00000248@ng-ft1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cathy writes > >Ooh, Susan, you are *so* accommodating. ) This place is getting better & > better! If I can get someone to massage the lower back of my head – there’s > one spot on either side that creates a soporific effect, I’ll be there every > evening. ) You mean there’s a lawn & perhaps a garden outside, too?? Is > the weeping willow next to a duck pond, perhaps? Oh – & how about outside > seating for those lovely summer nights? Anyone else like any of these ideas? > Can Susan sort of just waft them into place?? Cathy > Waft! Waft! Waft! That is the beauty of The Whine & Woeses, virtually anything > *you* can imagine can be there. Some places will be shared by many, some by a > few and then there are the places that are *yours* alone. > I’m off to Port Aransas (on the Gulf) for a couple of days. Actually it’s a > Target Wallpaper Trek as I plan to ‘hit’ 4-6 Targets on the drive. New > Braunfels, San Antonio, Corpus Christi and Victoria! Meanwhile, waft away on > your behalf. > susan > >Schupra <schu…@aol.com> wrote > >> Martha suggests massage chairs in the W&W, Karen wants mats and "small > >piles of > >> equipment" > >> It’s all there, friends! Except we have a couple of masseurs, not chairs! > >Ask > >> one of the spa lads to pull a mat out for you. Anyplace is fine. Out by > >the > >> weeping willows is nice too. > >> susan, adding rose petals to the spa
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MrsMeister wrote: > >HomemakerJ wrote: > >Could you describe what you mean by head tremor? > Ive had that symptom a few times, it usually happens when I am laying down ( > maybe because Im still I notice it) , it just feels like the inside of your > head is vibrating.. lasts for a few minutes usually. > Martha
Okay, I can see where this would fall under the Electric shock sensation under the skin and in the head. I’m glad I asked. I was picturing something completely different. A visable shaking of the head, ala Katherine Hepburn. Thanks. Cool Runnings, HomemakerJ
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Lyn Tambe wrote: > HomemakerJ <ho…@interaccess.com> wrote in message > news:38C1E71E.E640334C@interaccess.com… > > Lyn Tambe wrote: > > > I also developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked > in. > > Could you describe what you mean by head tremor? > My head shakes involuntary, but only when I am relaxed and facing forward. > I can stop it by leaning my head to either side or forwards or backwards – > sounds > as though a muscle is involved somewhere. do you think?
I don’t know, but ironically I saw a lady in a store today who had the same thing happening. When she turned to the side and smiled at me it stopped. I’d guess she was in her early 40s. I had been staring at her because her head was shaking and I wondered what caused it. Cool Runnings, HomemakerJ
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Ooh, Susan, you are *so* accommodating. ) This place is getting better & better! If I can get someone to massage the lower back of my head – there’s one spot on either side that creates a soporific effect, I’ll be there every evening. ) You mean there’s a lawn & perhaps a garden outside, too?? Is the weeping willow next to a duck pond, perhaps? Oh – & how about outside seating for those lovely summer nights? Anyone else like any of these ideas? Can Susan sort of just waft them into place?? Cathy Schupra <schu…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000306020627.02355.00000813@ng-ci1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Martha suggests massage chairs in the W&W, Karen wants mats and "small piles of > equipment" > It’s all there, friends! Except we have a couple of masseurs, not chairs! Ask > one of the spa lads to pull a mat out for you. Anyplace is fine. Out by the > weeping willows is nice too. > susan, adding rose petals to the spa
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Cathy writes >Ooh, Susan, you are *so* accommodating. ) This place is getting better &
better! If I can get someone to massage the lower back of my head – there’s one spot on either side that creates a soporific effect, I’ll be there every evening. ) You mean there’s a lawn & perhaps a garden outside, too?? Is the weeping willow next to a duck pond, perhaps? Oh – & how about outside seating for those lovely summer nights? Anyone else like any of these ideas? Can Susan sort of just waft them into place?? Cathy Waft! Waft! Waft! That is the beauty of The Whine & Woeses, virtually anything *you* can imagine can be there. Some places will be shared by many, some by a few and then there are the places that are *yours* alone. I’m off to Port Aransas (on the Gulf) for a couple of days. Actually it’s a Target Wallpaper Trek as I plan to ‘hit’ 4-6 Targets on the drive. New Braunfels, San Antonio, Corpus Christi and Victoria! Meanwhile, waft away on your behalf. susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Schupra <schu…@aol.com> wrote >> Martha suggests massage chairs in the W&W, Karen wants mats and "small >piles of >> equipment" >> It’s all there, friends! Except we have a couple of masseurs, not chairs! >Ask >> one of the spa lads to pull a mat out for you. Anyplace is fine. Out by >the >> weeping willows is nice too. >> susan, adding rose petals to the spa
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Martha suggests massage chairs in the W&W, Karen wants mats and "small piles of equipment" It’s all there, friends! Except we have a couple of masseurs, not chairs! Ask one of the spa lads to pull a mat out for you. Anyplace is fine. Out by the weeping willows is nice too. susan, adding rose petals to the spa
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MrsMeister <mrsmeis…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000305115111.02357.00000663@ng-ci1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Cathy Friedmann" c…@borg.com > wrote:> I > >was under the impression one got hot flashes *or* stiff shoulders – not > >*both*! No fair!!! Whoops -whining; maybe I should drop in at the Whine & > >Woeses for some restorative cyber booze & conversation. Cathy > I would like to research this stiff shoulders and neck symptom, as I have very > few flushes but suffer with varying degrees of shoulder and neck pain..when I > was given Provera, my shoulders ached so badly I could not stand up straight. > I treat myself to a very deep tissue massage every two weeks, but could use one > every day! > Maybe we need to install a few massage chairs in the Whine & Whoes…
Martha Oooohh… now *that’s* a great idea!!!! Mmmmm…. *so* relaxing! Bet the (my) insomnia would be banished! Cathy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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MrsMeister <mrsmeis…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000305145846.02367.00000567@ng-ci1.aol.com… > > c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) > wrote:>Have you seen a rheumatologist? > yup, and all was negative.. and no it does not get worse and I can easily > raise my arms above my head.. its very cyclical..appears that time of the month > when I no longer have that time of the month.. but thank you for your concern >
I also saw a rheumatologist, just in case. Also negative, thank goodness, both bloodwork & actual physical exam. But rheumatoid arthritis also tends to show up in a symmetrical pattern, whereas I tend to ache a lot more on one side than the other. For a long while – then it switches sides! Cathy
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*I* don’t. Cause it was around during the summer, too, when I don’t correct papers, and before I had a computer. Cathy Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com> wrote in message
news:89ug6q$sdn$3@samba.rahul.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> J.Prescott <joannapresc…@cableinet.co.uk> wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Mar 2000 23:14:50 -0500, "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@borg.com> > > wrote: > >>I didn’t get a computer until June ‘98, & I was already 1.5 years post-meno > >>by then. This neck/shoulder aching had kicked in years before, in early > >>peri. However, I had already noticed that after an hour or so of correcting > >>papers at night, that it certainly didn’t *help* my neck. > > It started when I was in my late 30s if I spent more than a couple of > > hours at the sewing machine. Consequently I put it down to age rather > > than peri. I agree with you about correcting papers too. > You don’t think it’s an RSI? > Karen
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>HomemakerJ wrote: >Could you describe what you mean by head tremor?
Ive had that symptom a few times, it usually happens when I am laying down ( maybe because Im still I notice it) , it just feels like the inside of your head is vibrating.. lasts for a few minutes usually. Martha
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> c…@holyrood.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
wrote:>Have you seen a rheumatologist? yup, and all was negative.. and no it does not get worse and I can easily raise my arms above my head.. its very cyclical..appears that time of the month when I no longer have that time of the month.. but thank you for your concern
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>Karen Kay ka…@wordwrite.com
wrote:>Do you stretch several times every day? Yes, I stretch and walk four miles five days a week and I go to the gym four times a week. >It’s much more efficient to find out how to heal >yourself than to expect someone else to fix you.
Au contraire IMO, maybe more efficient but it is a full hour of total relaxation..the masseuse uses several methods including foot reflexology ( really interesting) and working with pressure points, trying to that to myself would be like playing Twister. I dont expect someone to fix me, I just enjoy getting a massage! jeez, lighten up!
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HomemakerJ <ho…@interaccess.com> wrote in message
news:38C1E71E.E640334C@interaccess.com… > Lyn Tambe wrote: > > I also developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked in. > Could you describe what you mean by head tremor?
Thanks for your reply My head shakes involuntary, but only when I am relaxed and facing forward. I can stop it by leaning my head to either side or forwards or backwards – sounds as though a muscle is involved somewhere. do you think? Lyn
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It could be an inner ear balance problem. I have heard about a benign condition of the inner ear that seems to show up at midlife (not menopause). This may be an avenue to persue ….or even speculate on the "balance" in your life, meta-physically. You never know. J Lyn Tambe <lyn.ta…@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:bRAw4.2625$Zj2.87343@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HomemakerJ <ho…@interaccess.com> wrote in message > news:38C1E71E.E640334C@interaccess.com… > > Lyn Tambe wrote: > > > I also developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked > in. > > Could you describe what you mean by head tremor? > Thanks for your reply > My head shakes involuntary, but only when I am relaxed and facing forward. > I can stop it by leaning my head to either side or forwards or backwards – > sounds > as though a muscle is involved somewhere. do you think? > Lyn
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Just got back from a Women’s Wellness conference and was yet again reminded of the powers of yoga and muscle stretching and relaxation. Is this what keeps "asian" women so healthy? J Lyn Tambe <lyn.ta…@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:ixfw4.1056$Zj2.36561@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice. > To answer a question:- The aches I get are mostly muscular – neck, > shoulders. I’ve been having physio for 2 months, it helps a little. I also > developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked in. > Doctor thinks its muscle related as it only occurs when I’m facing forwards > and its worse sometimes than others. > I wonder though if its hormone related? > I do agree that stress makes things worse and I do try to relax as much as > possible. > Regards > Lyn
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>Cathy Friedmann" c…@borg.com wrote:> I >was under the impression one got hot flashes *or* stiff shoulders – not >*both*! No fair!!! Whoops -whining; maybe I should drop in at the Whine & >Woeses for some restorative cyber booze & conversation. Cathy
I would like to research this stiff shoulders and neck symptom, as I have very few flushes but suffer with varying degrees of shoulder and neck pain..when I was given Provera, my shoulders ached so badly I could not stand up straight. I treat myself to a very deep tissue massage every two weeks, but could use one every day! Maybe we need to install a few massage chairs in the Whine & Whoes… Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Lyn Tambe wrote: > I also developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked in.
Could you describe what you mean by head tremor? Thanks. Cool Runnings, HomemakerJ
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <38c19a2…@nntp2.borg.com>, Cathy Friedmann <c…@borg.com> wrote: >Lyn Tambe <lyn.ta…@virgin.net> wrote in message >news:ixfw4.1056$Zj2.36561@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com… >> Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice. >> To answer a question:- The aches I get are mostly muscular – neck, >> shoulders. I’ve been having physio for 2 months, it helps a little. I also >> developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked in. >> Doctor thinks its muscle related as it only occurs when I’m facing >forwards >> and its worse sometimes than others. >> I wonder though if its hormone related? >> I do agree that stress makes things worse and I do try to relax as much as >> possible. >> Regards >> Lyn >My neck & shoulders, & the base of the back of my head have been very achy >since peri, too.
Just a thought, but I wonder how many of you reporting these problems have also started spending a lot more time at the computer coincident with the onset (or progress) of perimenopause? I know I have, and I believe that’s to blame for initiating a lot of the head and neck pains. It may be that aging, peri or just plain lack of *movement* exacerbate the problems, or make it harder to recover, but when it comes to skeleto-muscular aches and pains, I personally look to what I’m doing with/to my body before I assume a hormonal cause. I could be wrong, though … >… It, too, is completely muscular – which is the good news. >I’m *assuming* it’s hormone related, considering when it kicked in. Plus, >post-meno, I’ve noticed that it gets better when I’m not experiencing hot >flashes.
Distraction, maybe? I have a chronic sciatic problem, and I’ve been amused to realize that it rarely bothers me when I’m having, for instance, a Bleed from Hell. In my case, I have the feeling it’s because I can only focus on one type of discomfort at a time. Or maybe the flashes act like an internal heat pack … (-; –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org
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Karen – This is funny in its own way, because for some reason I had always imagined you as being petite. And you *are*! Usually my mental images of people via the internet turn out to be *completely* off! Cathy (who is tall, & sets her chair seats in the highest possible position, & the car’s driver’s seat as far back as it will go!) Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com> wrote in message
news:89sh48$nav$1@samba.rahul.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Pat Kight <kig…@ucs.orst.edu> wrote: > > I know I have, and I believe that’s to blame for initiating a lot of the > > head and neck pains. It may be that aging, peri or just plain lack of > > *movement* exacerbate the problems, or make it harder to recover, but when > > it comes to skeleto-muscular aches and pains, I personally look to what > > I’m doing with/to my body before I assume a hormonal cause. > > I could be wrong, though … > I think you’re right. Before I started getting really sick, my posture > changed–which caused some back problems. It took me several days on > both end of the problem to figure out what I needed to do. I > definitely think that the way my posture changed was not coincidence. > But by the same token, I think that figuring out what you’re doing > that’s actually causing you pain, is tough. (I had more pain when I > started getting well again–but that was quicker to figure out.) > At another time, one of the problems I had was that because my feet > only barely touch the floor, sometimes I hook my feet around the > chairlegs or -feet. This is bad for your lower back, your hips, your > knees, your ankles, and probably your toes! Once I figured it out, I > stopped that, too… > Karen
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I didn’t get a computer until June ‘98, & I was already 1.5 years post-meno by then. This neck/shoulder aching had kicked in years before, in early peri. However, I had already noticed that after an hour or so of correcting papers at night, that it certainly didn’t *help* my neck. Cathy Pat Kight <kig…@ucs.orst.edu> wrote in message
news:89sd45$on2$1@news.NERO.NET… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <38c19a2…@nntp2.borg.com>, Cathy Friedmann <c…@borg.com> wrote: > >Lyn Tambe <lyn.ta…@virgin.net> wrote in message > >news:ixfw4.1056$Zj2.36561@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com… > >> Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice. > >> To answer a question:- The aches I get are mostly muscular – neck, > >> shoulders. I’ve been having physio for 2 months, it helps a little. I also > >> developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked in. > >> Doctor thinks its muscle related as it only occurs when I’m facing > >forwards > >> and its worse sometimes than others. > >> I wonder though if its hormone related? > >> I do agree that stress makes things worse and I do try to relax as much as > >> possible. > >> Regards > >> Lyn > >My neck & shoulders, & the base of the back of my head have been very achy > >since peri, too. > Just a thought, but I wonder how many of you reporting these problems have > also started spending a lot more time at the computer coincident with the > onset (or progress) of perimenopause? > I know I have, and I believe that’s to blame for initiating a lot of the > head and neck pains. It may be that aging, peri or just plain lack of > *movement* exacerbate the problems, or make it harder to recover, but when > it comes to skeleto-muscular aches and pains, I personally look to what > I’m doing with/to my body before I assume a hormonal cause. > I could be wrong, though … > >… It, too, is completely muscular – which is the good news. > >I’m *assuming* it’s hormone related, considering when it kicked in. Plus, > >post-meno, I’ve noticed that it gets better when I’m not experiencing hot > >flashes. > Distraction, maybe? I have a chronic sciatic problem, and I’ve been > amused to realize that it rarely bothers me when I’m having, for instance, > a Bleed from Hell. In my case, I have the feeling it’s because I can only > focus on one type of discomfort at a time. > Or maybe the flashes act like an internal heat pack … (-; > –Pat Kight > kig…@peak.org
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Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice. To answer a question:- The aches I get are mostly muscular – neck, shoulders. I’ve been having physio for 2 months, it helps a little. I also developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked in. Doctor thinks its muscle related as it only occurs when I’m facing forwards and its worse sometimes than others. I wonder though if its hormone related? I do agree that stress makes things worse and I do try to relax as much as possible. Regards Lyn
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Lyn Tambe <lyn.ta…@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:ixfw4.1056$Zj2.36561@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com… > Thanks to everyone for your helpful advice. > To answer a question:- The aches I get are mostly muscular – neck, > shoulders. I’ve been having physio for 2 months, it helps a little. I also > developed a head tremor about the same time other symptoms kicked in. > Doctor thinks its muscle related as it only occurs when I’m facing forwards > and its worse sometimes than others. > I wonder though if its hormone related? > I do agree that stress makes things worse and I do try to relax as much as > possible. > Regards > Lyn
My neck & shoulders, & the base of the back of my head have been very achy since peri, too. It, too, is completely muscular – which is the good news. I’m *assuming* it’s hormone related, considering when it kicked in. Plus, post-meno, I’ve noticed that it gets better when I’m not experiencing hot flashes. For a while there, it was so bad that I’d get muscle spasms which didn’t allow me to turn my head much to the side – and that was downright dangerous when backing out of the driveway! Started going to a chiropractor, & that helped a lot re: the bad spasms. (It also changed my former view of chiropractors; they know a *lot* about the body.) All of this muscle tightness results in chronic headaches; I have learned to differentiate which headaches are sinus, which are originating from the back of my neck, etc. Cathy
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Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com> wrote in message
news:89s82v$mcp$8@samba.rahul.net… > Cathy Friedmann <c…@borg.com> wrote: > > My neck & shoulders, & the base of the back of my head have been very achy > > since peri, too. It, too, is completely muscular – which is the good news. > This is exactly where the Japanese ’stiff shoulders’ are located.:) > Karen
Yes, I’ve read that in several places, too; no Japanese ancestry though! I was under the impression one got hot flashes *or* stiff shoulders – not *both*! No fair!!! Whoops -whining; maybe I should drop in at the Whine & Woeses for some restorative cyber booze & conversation. Cathy
