Neanderthal resawing
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I couldn’t sleep well last night because my brain got stuck trying to figure out how to resaw using neanderthal tools. It was trying to design some sort of waterwheel bandsaw arrangement using a pagoda or totem pole to hide a water tower. Talk about sawing logs in your sleep! So I finally got up and started to draw some of those ideas. The whole thing looks like a lot of work and would probably make the back yard a bit more picturesque than the neighbors would like. So, what are the neanderthal methods of resawing a board, or sawing a log for that matter, other than using a two-man pit saw?
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I couldn’t sleep well last night because my brain got stuck trying to figure out how to resaw using neanderthal tools.
I couldnt sleep last nite cause my damn dog kept waking me up. Sometimes I wonder if dog tastes good. So, what are the neanderthal methods of resawing a board, or sawing a log
For me, resawing by hand is reserved for boards, not trees. So the 2 man pitsaw is out. I either rip the board by hand completely with a ripsaw, or I cheat and cut all around with a tablesaw and then finish with the handsaw. Either way works, but I will confess I aint too good at it. A decent saw makes a huge difference. Best thing is, get your saw, chuck up that board in your vise, and have at it. The big difference between resawing and normal ripping or xcutting is that so much blade is buried in the board. Makes it tough to change direction when you wander off line. steve k — stev_ix_netcom_com
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I’ve seen it done (and I still don’t believe it). Came in late, but it looked like a regular handsaw and the result was four thin planks from a 3/4" thick plank about 4" wide by two or three feet long. The first cut seems to be the key. The plank was clamped vertically in a vise and a cut was made from one corner, at about a 45 deg. angle, down until the kerf passed the center of the board. Then the board was flipped, and the first kerf becomes a guide to make the next cut, again until the new kerf passes the center line. Flip the board and continue until finished. Two more cuts on the halves from the first, and there you go; four boards about 1/8" thick.-Wm
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Bowsaw.
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Three words: walking beam saw. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I couldn’t sleep well last night because my brain got stuck trying to figure out how to resaw using neanderthal tools. It was trying to design some sort of waterwheel bandsaw arrangement using a pagoda or totem pole to hide a water tower. Talk about sawing logs in your sleep! So I finally got up and started to draw some of those ideas. The whole thing looks like a lot of work and would probably make the back yard a bit more picturesque than the neighbors would like. So, what are the neanderthal methods of resawing a board, or sawing a log for that matter, other than using a two-man pit saw? A modern solution uses a piece of bandsaw blade designed for resawing, usually 3 tpi hook tooth, in a wooden frame: called a frame saw. The handles on either end are 1×2, as long as needed. The rails or stretchers, running between and tenoned into the handles, are 1×1. My frame saw has 4′ rails about 6" apart. To hold the blade, I cut a 5′ bolt in half using a hack saw, then put 1/2" deep slits in each piece at the cut, then put a 1/32" hole through the pieces perpendicular to the slits about half-way down the slit for the small finishing nails used to hold the blade. The bolt pieces go through holes in the handles, with the nut on on end used to tension the blade. Some ASCII art from the oldtools list: | | [---] | | | | | | |I| | | | | ==I==|) | | | | |I| | | | | I | | | | I | | | | Blade | | | | I | | | | I | | Stretcher I Stretcher | | I | | | | I | | Brent — Brent Beach, Victoria, BC
– Creationism — because the words are easier to spell. Rev Chuck, Alt.Atheism #203, Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997. Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond.
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I think they used stones as a ax/chisel, held in their hand. I don’t think neanderthal had saws. They might have used a handle though on a rock. A friend who rebuild stage coaches has told me that there where a lot of power tools by the 1700 driven by steam. That would make a good saw. A "Heat Engine" would also..it would have to be very big though. Terry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I couldn’t sleep well last night because my brain got stuck trying to figure out how to resaw using neanderthal tools. It was trying to design some sort of waterwheel bandsaw arrangement using a pagoda or totem pole to hide a water tower. Talk about sawing logs in your sleep! So I finally got up and started to draw some of those ideas. The whole thing looks like a lot of work and would probably make the back yard a bit more picturesque than the neighbors would like. So, what are the neanderthal methods of resawing a board, or sawing a log for that matter, other than using a two-man pit saw?
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I’m not as addicted to insomnia but I did think that one could start the cuts on both edges with a table saw and finish with a sawsall fitted with a long blade. The sawsall blade would likely track in the kerf of the table saw and would save a lot of hand sawing. (Is the sawsall neanderthal enough?)
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Just for your information see comments below…. — …SPAM PROTECTION IN EFFECT…. Frank Shapiro B.Eng (Canada/Ontario eh) Real Email is: user is shapiro_ location is yahoo.com If at first you dont succeed, Sky diving is not for you. says… I couldn’t sleep well last night because my brain got stuck trying to figure out how to resaw using neanderthal tools. I couldnt sleep last nite cause my damn dog kept waking me up. Sometimes I wonder if dog tastes good.
Tastes like chicken. Cat however tastes good, Im on my fourth one now. So, what are the neanderthal methods of resawing a board, or sawing a
log Using a 1/4 inch chisel to remove all unwanted wood.
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I was watching Roy Underhill this weekend and the program profiled a water-powered sawmill. The sawmill automated the two-man pit saw configuration. To call this setup "neander" is to diminish the engineering that went into it, but I guess it qualifies. The historical society that runs the sawmill has run into an interesting problem: the sawblades they need are no longer manufactured. So, the guy who runs the sawmill cuts his own out of sheet stock that looks about 1/4" thick.
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I’ve seen it done (and I still don’t believe it). Came in late, but it looked like a regular handsaw and the result was four thin planks from a 3/4" thick plank about 4" wide by two or three feet long.
It really _CAN_ be done… I have done it myself just to prove I could. re-sawed some 8/4 poplar in half using a Disston D-7 did some cherry w/ a bow saw hell I even did some Lignum w/ a dozuki. you CAN do it.. sharp tools and flipping the board over a lot is the key — ~ John http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1824/ Please post follow-ups to the group.
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Bowsaw.
Okay…. http://www.mv.com/ipusers/gunterman/images/bowsaw/bowsaw2.jpg — ~ John (aint it great?-) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/1824/ Please post follow-ups to the group.
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You can do it with a frame saw. Just make sure the saw is good and sharp, with well set teeth, or you’ll be at it all day. — Stephen W. Anderson Rocky Mount, NC
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So, what are the neanderthal methods of resawing a board, or sawing a log Using a 1/4 inch chisel to remove all unwanted wood.
Nae, man. Hain’t ye neer heeard of the Broadaxe? (To those of you in Rio Linda, no, that’s not used on women.) Friends don’t let friends buy Crapsman tools. http://diversify.com/ljaques/ Graphic Design for Print & the Web
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Bowsaw or framesaw? And how big are these things? -Shannon
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As little or big as you want. Build it for the work you need to do with it. The frame saw I usually choose for resawing of heavy boards is made for a 42" blade (a local industrial distributor that welds up bandsaw blades for its customers chops a piece out of roll stock when I want a new one) and uses a Spanish windlass for tensioning. It took about half a day to make it. I have another for light work, same basic design, that uses a 24" thin blade. — Stephen W. Anderson Rocky Mount, NC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bowsaw or framesaw? And how big are these things?
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I couldn’t sleep well last night because my brain got stuck trying to figure out how to resaw using neanderthal tools. It was trying to design some sort of waterwheel bandsaw arrangement using a pagoda or totem pole to hide a water tower. Talk about sawing logs in your sleep! So I finally got up and started to draw some of those ideas. The whole thing looks like a lot of work and would probably make the back yard a bit more picturesque than the neighbors would like. So, what are the neanderthal methods of resawing a board, or sawing a log for that matter, other than using a two-man pit saw?
A modern solution uses a piece of bandsaw blade designed for resawing, usually 3 tpi hook tooth, in a wooden frame: called a frame saw. The handles on either end are 1×2, as long as needed. The rails or stretchers, running between and tenoned into the handles, are 1×1. My frame saw has 4′ rails about 6" apart. To hold the blade, I cut a 5′ bolt in half using a hack saw, then put 1/2" deep slits in each piece at the cut, then put a 1/32" hole through the pieces perpendicular to the slits about half-way down the slit for the small finishing nails used to hold the blade. The bolt pieces go through holes in the handles, with the nut on on end used to tension the blade. Some ASCII art from the oldtools list: | | [---] | | | | | | |I| | | | | ==I==|) | | | | |I| | | | | I | | | | I | | | | Blade | | | | I | | | | I | | Stretcher I Stretcher | | I | | | | I | | Brent — Brent Beach, Victoria, BC
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says… I was watching Roy Underhill this weekend and the program profiled a water-powered sawmill.
I once saw Roy resawing up some maple to make up these little baskets. The strips were probably between a 16th and an 8th. Didnt take him long at all. steve k — stev_ix_netcom_com
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I saw Roy Underhill use a marking gauge and rip saw to resaw a piece of 4/4 stock to 1/2"(minus half the kerf). At the time I thought yeah, right….but awhile later I had need of some 3/8"(more or less) stock and tried it. Doggone if it didn’t work, and wasn’t near as much time and grief as I thought if would be. Just mark the end and both long edges with gauge and follow the scribe. It helps if one face doesn’t have to be exactly true, otherwise clean up with a jack plane. My boards were about 4" wide by 30" long. I also found a decent used hand rip saw. For bigger boards the frame saw is probably better.
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This looks like it could be adapted to build a motorised pit saw using a n electric motor to pull down for the cut and springs to supply the pull up. A very large scale version of the Popular Mechanics "Turn your sabre saw into a scroll saw". Or am I just insane??? George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Three words: walking beam saw. I couldn’t sleep well last night because my brain got stuck trying to figure out how to resaw using neanderthal tools. It was trying to design some sort of waterwheel bandsaw arrangement using a pagoda or totem pole to hide a water tower. Talk about sawing logs in your sleep! So I finally got up and started to draw some of those ideas. The whole thing looks like a lot of work and would probably make the back yard a bit more picturesque than the neighbors would like. So, what are the neanderthal methods of resawing a board, or sawing a log for that matter, other than using a two-man pit saw? A modern solution uses a piece of bandsaw blade designed for resawing, usually 3 tpi hook tooth, in a wooden frame: called a frame saw. The handles on either end are 1×2, as long as needed. The rails or stretchers, running between and tenoned into the handles, are 1×1. My frame saw has 4′ rails about 6" apart. To hold the blade, I cut a 5′ bolt in half using a hack saw, then put 1/2" deep slits in each piece at the cut, then put a 1/32" hole through the pieces perpendicular to the slits about half-way down the slit for the small finishing nails used to hold the blade. The bolt pieces go through holes in the handles, with the nut on on end used to tension the blade. Some ASCII art from the oldtools list: | | [---] | | | | | | |I| | | | | ==I==|) | | | | |I| | | | | I | | | | I | | | | Blade | | | | I | | | | I | | Stretcher I Stretcher | | I | | | | I | | Brent — Brent Beach, Victoria, BC — Creationism — because the words are easier to spell. Rev Chuck, Alt.Atheism #203, Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997. Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond.
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: Patrick and you other soi-disant neanderthals, how do you do resawing? Do : you use an ordinary rip saw? Is it a lot of work? (Is that a dumb : question?) : Will Self A bow saw will do it. Yes, it’s a lot of work. mike. — Michael Banks Graphics Software Lab
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Patrick and you other soi-disant neanderthals, how do you do resawing? Do you use an ordinary rip saw? Is it a lot of work? (Is that a dumb question?) Will Self
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Patrick and you other soi-disant neanderthals, how do you do resawing? Do you use an ordinary rip saw? Is it a lot of work? (Is that a dumb question?) Will Self
With a band saw, of course 
— Soldier of fortune / He’s a man of war Just can’t remember / What he’s fighting for. _Showdown at Big Sky_, Robbie Robertson
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Patrick and you other soi-disant neanderthals, how do you do resawing? Do you use an ordinary rip saw?
Only if I’ve been very, _very_ bad. A bow saw is somewhat easier. Is it a lot of work?
No, if it were five times easier it would be a lot of work. — C:.M:.C:., D:.O:.D:.
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Patrick and you other soi-disant neanderthals, how do you do resawing? Do you use an ordinary rip saw? Is it a lot of work? (Is that a dumb question?)
Sure it’s some work. I use a bow saw or an ordinary rip saw. I mark both edges and one end with a marking gauge. Then I start on one corner and saw partway down. Flip to the other side and let the first kerf guide the far end of the saw while watching the line on the near end. For narrow boards I would skip this step and just saw and check the progress as it goes. It’s good practice for tenon sawing too. — Rob Pauley
