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sleep disorder, pls help!

admin — Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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"Manfred" wrote in message

news:user-BF3546.13113722082004@hestia.telenet-ops.be… > Hi, > That sounds like night terror.

Yep, couldnt remember the name but that was it. > Try http://www.nightterrors.org/ > Might be disturbing but it’s not dangerous.

In fact it CAN be dangerous. People CAN get to the point where their terrors break down the boundary between dreams and reality in their mind and they begin to see things everywhere. That can lead to dangerous results.

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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 07:45:38 +0000 (UTC), in alt.support.sleep-disorder – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Kylee" wrote: >Every night since I was a small child I have seen people in my room, from >victorian children to the devil. My mother and sister have this too but only >occasionally. I feel wide awake and they always seem so real. >Over the last 6 months I have been getting a high pitch noise in my head >that gets louder and becomes painful. I try to sit up and cover my ears but >I cant move. This is really horrible and can happen several times a night >and often I give up trying to sleep and get up ont of bed. >It seems to be at different times of the night. The paralysis and noises >when I first go to sleep and the Hallucinations later on in the night. >Im on Prozac and have been (of and on!) for about 6 years(in 24 now) >My doc has given me doethapin (another anti-dep) to take at night as well, >its SUPPOST to be sedative…its not doing a thing! Im getting paraylsis(?) >every time I go to bed even if I sleep on my side. >I had faces coming through my curtains halfway through the night (not >smiling faces!) >I have a 2 year old son who wakes me up about 7am, I keep finding myself >’drifting of’ to sleep on the sofa and waking with bannana on my head etc! I >cant seem to wake up till at least 10am.. >Its gonna be AGES before I get seen at the sleep clinic, any suggestions as >to what I should do? Does anyone else have his? >T

hese are hypnagogic hallucinations. Start here: http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.html Google "hypnagogic" if you need more. Harmless but scary. Best regards, Steve — SSS, Steve / Strathclyde / Scotland. ——————————-

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"Kylee" wrote in message

news:cg9iv1$hbd$1@sparta.btinternet.com… > Every night since I was a small child I have seen people in my room, from > victorian children to the devil. My mother and sister have this too but > only > occasionally. I feel wide awake and they always seem so real. > Over the last 6 months I have been getting a high pitch noise in my head > that gets louder and becomes painful. I try to sit up and cover my ears > but > I cant move. This is really horrible and can happen several times a night > and often I give up trying to sleep and get up ont of bed. > It seems to be at different times of the night. The paralysis and noises > when I first go to sleep and the Hallucinations later on in the night.

This is a known problem. There are people who hallucinate so badly that they end up going mentally unbalanced because of it. There are remedies you can try for this but I would be talking to a doctor in sleep studies or possibly a psychiatrist or psychologist. It was only earlier this year I was listening to a report on radio about this and was glad I don’t have it. I did used to have, as a small child, episodes where I would have a constant high pitch that would build up to a THUMP in my head that felt like a physical hit and it would go on all night. There were times that for 72 hours I didn’t get a second of sleep but being a kid, I thought I would get into trouble if I told anyone about it. Eventually I would be so physically exhausted I would end up sleeping regardless of what was going on and then it would go on all over again. I thought up my own "kid-like" way out of it. I imagined a shield all around me where it couldn’t get in and just imagined the thumping hitting that but unable to get to me. Amazingly it made me feel more relaxed. About 10 years ago I was remembering those episodes and wondering if they could ever come back and yes, I found they could but it was easy to dismiss them. Please don’t take my childhood way as gospel on how to fix it. I still think you should get to a doctor ASAP but maybe the childhood answer may help while waiting to get in to see someone. I really have no idea why that all started but I had the definite feeling someone was trying to "get IN" to me and though I was afraid, I wasn’t having a bar of that. Helped being a stubborn little kid!

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Hi, That sounds like night terror. Try http://www.nightterrors.org/ Might be disturbing but it’s not dangerous. Anti-depressants are supposed to help so it’s likely your doc has figured it out. Max In article , – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - "Kylee" wrote: > Every night since I was a small child I have seen people in my room, from > victorian children to the devil. My mother and sister have this too but only > occasionally. I feel wide awake and they always seem so real. > Over the last 6 months I have been getting a high pitch noise in my head > that gets louder and becomes painful. I try to sit up and cover my ears but > I cant move. This is really horrible and can happen several times a night > and often I give up trying to sleep and get up ont of bed. > It seems to be at different times of the night. The paralysis and noises > when I first go to sleep and the Hallucinations later on in the night. > Im on Prozac and have been (of and on!) for about 6 years(in 24 now) > My doc has given me doethapin (another anti-dep) to take at night as well, > its SUPPOST to be sedative…its not doing a thing! Im getting paraylsis(?) > every time I go to bed even if I sleep on my side. > I had faces coming through my curtains halfway through the night (not > smiling faces!) > I have a 2 year old son who wakes me up about 7am, I keep finding myself > ‘drifting of’ to sleep on the sofa and waking with bannana on my head etc! I > cant seem to wake up till at least 10am.. > Its gonna be AGES before I get seen at the sleep clinic, any suggestions as > to what I should do? Does anyone else have his?

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Every night since I was a small child I have seen people in my room, from victorian children to the devil. My mother and sister have this too but only occasionally. I feel wide awake and they always seem so real. Over the last 6 months I have been getting a high pitch noise in my head that gets louder and becomes painful. I try to sit up and cover my ears but I cant move. This is really horrible and can happen several times a night and often I give up trying to sleep and get up ont of bed. It seems to be at different times of the night. The paralysis and noises when I first go to sleep and the Hallucinations later on in the night. Im on Prozac and have been (of and on!) for about 6 years(in 24 now) My doc has given me doethapin (another anti-dep) to take at night as well, its SUPPOST to be sedative…its not doing a thing! Im getting paraylsis(?) every time I go to bed even if I sleep on my side. I had faces coming through my curtains halfway through the night (not smiling faces!) I have a 2 year old son who wakes me up about 7am, I keep finding myself ‘drifting of’ to sleep on the sofa and waking with bannana on my head etc! I cant seem to wake up till at least 10am.. Its gonna be AGES before I get seen at the sleep clinic, any suggestions as to what I should do? Does anyone else have his?

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sounds like you could have narcolepsy, or some other REM sleep disorder – so some research on these and see if you think they fit your symptoms – then you need to see a certified sleep doc, no matter how difficult it may be to get there. — Beth in Australia (I am not a qualified medical professional and unless I quote sources anything posted by me is my opinion only and you should always check with your doctor) ============================================= Sleep Disorders Newsgroup FAQ Website http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup archives http://www.talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm ============================================= "Kylee" wrote in message

news:cg9iv1$hbd$1@sparta.btinternet.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Every night since I was a small child I have seen people in my room, from > victorian children to the devil. My mother and sister have this too but > only > occasionally. I feel wide awake and they always seem so real. > Over the last 6 months I have been getting a high pitch noise in my head > that gets louder and becomes painful. I try to sit up and cover my ears > but > I cant move. This is really horrible and can happen several times a night > and often I give up trying to sleep and get up ont of bed. > It seems to be at different times of the night. The paralysis and noises > when I first go to sleep and the Hallucinations later on in the night. > Im on Prozac and have been (of and on!) for about 6 years(in 24 now) > My doc has given me doethapin (another anti-dep) to take at night as well, > its SUPPOST to be sedative…its not doing a thing! Im getting > paraylsis(?) > every time I go to bed even if I sleep on my side. > I had faces coming through my curtains halfway through the night (not > smiling faces!) > I have a 2 year old son who wakes me up about 7am, I keep finding myself > ‘drifting of’ to sleep on the sofa and waking with bannana on my head etc! > I > cant seem to wake up till at least 10am.. > Its gonna be AGES before I get seen at the sleep clinic, any suggestions > as > to what I should do? Does anyone else have his?

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Deam? Feeling of dread doom death

admin — Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Dreams are interesting to me since I found answer to some problems by examining mine, Put a pad of paper next to your bed and if you have a dream that you remember when you first wake up write it down, trust your instincts on your interpretation your dreams are your thoughts I had a dream where if I left the area I was in I would die, but if I stayed I would be consumed by the living dead and be one of them ( a true B rated dream) but the dream felt real and I was scared to leave and scared to stay I chose to leave and died but was reborn and know I made the right chose this dream was about my fears and to face them was better than to live with them I wonder how many time in the past where I refused to leave the area and just continued to run from the fate of the living dead and refuse to face my anxieties Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I am new to this group, Not sure if I am posting in the right place or not. I am a healthy 50 yo female, no special medical problems. I have a good life. During the past year I have had the same dream. It is very vague and I can never remember all of it but it has something with me being in a situation where I have to put together this enormous mechanical device. I am not mechanically inclined at all. If I dont put this device together not only will I die but so will lots of other people. from there it just devlops into a feeling of dread and doom, I also seem to want to get out of the house. A few times I have found myself in the front yard. The whole episode doesn’t last very long only a few minutes but it is extremely frightening. This happened again last night and has probably happened four or five times over the past two years. Any ideas what could cause something like this? Scared Sheila — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Any ideas what could cause something like this? Scared Sheila

Sheila, you may get some opinions in here. You will get many over the alt.dreams newsgroup. I have a very active dream life too and can’t figure out what mine are saying either. Suzanne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Welcome Sheila, I’m sorry you’re going through this. I don’t understand much about these things at all…but if I were you, I would talk to a therapist. Perhaps you have some kind of fear or something buried from long ago that is now coming out? I wish you well, and hope others here are able to give you more information. Good luck, hun. Hugs, Gigglz

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so you need to do something you believe you are ill equiped to do to avert some terrible tragedy that effects you and many others? What in your life parallels this type of theme-you are conflicted by having to do this and want to avoid it, a typical defense to a painful situation. If your life is pretty much a comfortable happy, healthy one, a repetitive dream that involves feelings of failure, inadequecy, fear, perfectionism,and death or catastrophy isn’t so bad-after all it is still just a dream, or night terror created out of fantasy and a brain that is still functioning while being drugged to induce and maintain sleep, a restorative biological process LM If I dont put this device together not only will I die but so will lots of other people. from there it just devlops into a feeling of dread and doom, I also seem to want to get out of the house. A few times I have found myself in the front yard. The whole episode doesn’t last very long only a few minutes but it is extremely frightening. This happened again last night and has probably happened four or five times over the past two years. Any ideas what could cause something like this? Scared Sheila

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Hi I am new to this group, Not sure if I am posting in the right place or not. I am a healthy 50 yo female, no special medical problems. I have a good life. During the past year I have had the same dream. It is very vague and I can never remember all of it but it has something with me being in a situation where I have to put together this enormous mechanical device. I am not mechanically inclined at all. If I dont put this device together not only will I die but so will lots of other people. from there it just devlops into a feeling of dread and doom, I also seem to want to get out of the house. A few times I have found myself in the front yard. The whole episode doesn’t last very long only a few minutes but it is extremely frightening. This happened again last night and has probably happened four or five times over the past two years. Any ideas what could cause something like this? Scared Sheila — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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can blood flow to the brain stop?

admin — Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:11:43 -0700, DenoxiS wrote: >I have this sleeping problem since I was a kid. I can never sleep on my >back. Because the pillow, somehow, stops the blood flow in one of the vessel >at the back of my head. During the sleep when it happens, I feel like I >cannot move, I cannot talk, I cannot scream etc. Interestingly I can >identify the objects in the room at that time. Then finally I can fully wake >up.

It sounds like sleep paralysis (frightening but harmless), but "I AM NOT A DOCTOR."

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Thanks for all the answers. Appearantly I have this sleep paralysis. Some sources point that the blood flow to the brain increases during this period because of the panic and fear. In this case I might misinterpret my experience about the blood vessel. It could be just a over-working vessel. On the other hand I still believe that there is a connection between sleeping on back and the sleep paralysis. Because I have had this experince almost everytime whenever I sleep on my back, and never ever when I sleep on my side/face. — – Deniz "DenoxiS" wrote in message

news:ss7_a.32355$ff.18287@fed1read01… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I have this sleeping problem since I was a kid. I can never sleep on my > back. Because the pillow, somehow, stops the blood flow in one of the vessel > at the back of my head. During the sleep when it happens, I feel like I > cannot move, I cannot talk, I cannot scream etc. Interestingly I can > identify the objects in the room at that time. Then finally I can fully wake > up. I can feel the blocked vessel just unblocked and start working in my > half-numb head. I have tried different pillows, they haven’t been any > helpful. Does this thing happen anyone else? Is this a sleeping disorder or > a physical illness? > Thanks, > – Deniz

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If my best friend described an experience like yours, I’d say she had "sleep paralysis," a condition that some people call "sleep terror" or "night terror." It’s common. It doesn’t mean that a blood vessel is blocked. (Blockage of blood to the brain is a STROKE and is a serious medical condition. If you really think a blood vessel is blocked, see your doctor immediately.) Supposedly, "sleep paralysis" happens to everyone during REM-stage sleep — it’s the body’s way of ensuring that you don’t act out your dreams. Most people stay in REM-stage sleep and never become aware of the "sleep paralysis." The problems (perception of paralysis, etc.) occur if the person becomes aware of being in the "sleep paralysis" state. Different people experience "sleep paralysis" in different ways. Many people experience it as a feeling that someone is sitting on their chest (or, with stomach sleepers, on their back) — they think that they’re trapped, they can’t move, they can’t breathe. If they’re scared of monsters or aliens or some other beastie, they might perceive that the pressure is caused by that. If this is a frequent concern, you may want to discuss it with your doctor. You may also want to do a newsgroup or Internet search for "sleep paralysis" and read all about it. Disclaimer: I am not a doctor; this message is not a diagnosis.

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Hi, I have this sleeping problem since I was a kid. I can never sleep on my back. Because the pillow, somehow, stops the blood flow in one of the vessel at the back of my head. During the sleep when it happens, I feel like I cannot move, I cannot talk, I cannot scream etc. Interestingly I can identify the objects in the room at that time. Then finally I can fully wake up. I can feel the blocked vessel just unblocked and start working in my half-numb head. I have tried different pillows, they haven’t been any helpful. Does this thing happen anyone else? Is this a sleeping disorder or a physical illness? Thanks, – Deniz

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Major sleepwalking

admin — Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi there I’m a 29 year old male, and I have had sleep problems since I was 12. I usually walk in my sleep 30 minutes after going to bed and every 30 mins most of the night. It can be every 60 minutes. I know this from a monitoring camera. I think my problem is related to many different disorders, but night terrors, sleep walking and acting out dreams is the main problem. I usually get up from bed and move around the apartment. The things I remember are usually when I have been roaming around and dreamt about the apartment colapsing etc. and I wake up after a few(?) minutes. I have also tipped over furniture, tried to break my windows, pulled my girlfriend out of bed, stood agains the walls trying to keep the apartment standing (for some reason). All these episodes involved me having high heart rates, and I’m usually really afraid. This is very scary for my girlfriend. It’s at the point where we both are a bit scared of what’s going to happen the next night. Having kids is not possible because we’re afraid of what can happen. In october and november my doctor subscribed Valium, and that helped a lot the first month. Neither my girlfriend or I noticed any sleepingwalking, but that only helped me for about a month, then I was back to walking around and waking my girlfriend up. This time I was calmer, and I didn’t remember much. This also removed all my neck, shoulder, back and arm pains, which I have been having the last 2 years. I’m kinda a stressed person and working a lot, and I feel the night problems interfere with my daily life and stressing me a lot more than necessary. I have a large track record of strange sleepwalking events. Other people can talk to me and I answer then, but I’m kinda like an infant and occupied with non existing things (my dreams). Anyone else with similar problems who can give some advice. It’s 12 months queue to get a sleep recording at the hospital here in Norway. They only have one expert who can read these diagrams in all of Norway. In the meantime I’m still taking Valium, but it’s not helping much. kind regards, Morten Aka Sleepwalker

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Hi again Lis Thanks for more input. I have found a sleep center in another center that I will try to contact. I will also try to find a hypnotherapist. I’m beginning to think I might have RBD. It’s really stranger how "awake" I am when I do things. I will read more on the net and get myself more educated. I should have taken some more action earlier, but better late than never. I went to a doctor when I was 19, but they didn’t find "anything wrong" with my brain. I then thought I had to live with this forever. Anyway, thanks for your input. Also, if anyone else have some experiences. Please share them. kind regards, Morten "Lis" wrote in message

news:DKF_9.2373$N5.1377394@nnrp1.ptd.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Mort. I think the first thing you have to do is get yourself educated. > There is a wealth of free information on the internet, and you don’t have to > look very hard to find it. I suggest that you go to www.dogpile.com and type > in "sleep disorder" or "night terror". I wasn’t kidding about the > hypnotherapist, either. While a hypnotherapist can’t address the > neurological side of your problem like a neurologist/sleep doctor, s/he can > perhaps make it more pleasant for you to have these episodes and implant > ways to relieve stress without the terrible dreams while sleepwalking. Maybe > you would get help from this "lucid dreaming" movement (though many folks > think it’s full of $h1#, it MAY help you participate in your dreams to the > extent that you could train yourself to redirect the dream). > I know that if you look online, you will find the nearest sleep centers > through sleep organizations, and you might be able to find a sleep center > better able to help you even if you have to drive across the border to > another country (and try looking under private practice physicians if your > country has a National Health Service. Yes, you’d pay for it yourself, but > you can’t go on forever without proper sleep. It WILL kill you eventually). > If I were you I’d call up the nearest medical school/training hospital, > speak to the neurology department, and work my way from there (because it > sounds like you have a sleep-phase disorder that could very well be taken > care of with the right medication). And book that sleep test anyway, even if > it’s a year down the road. Help a year from now is better than never getting > help. Tell them how terrible it is for you, how you are suffering, and how > you’re willing to take any slot caused by someone else’s cancelled > appointment—in general I’ve found that the more pathetic you sound to the > healthcare system, the quicker they are to help you. I bet you’ll get in > sooner. Sad, but universally true , even here in the good old U S A. > Post and let us know what happens. I’m sure that Tal could use some of your > experiences for her FAQ files. > Cheers > Lis > "Morten Eriksen" wrote in message > news:3e3ab91d$1@news.broadpark.no… > > Hi Lis > > Thanks for your reply. I was beginning to think I was alone about this > stuff > > > > I live in Norway, and there really isn’t much help to get here. Like I > said, > > they only got one expert who can read sleep register results, and it’s 12 > > months to get one > > There are a lot of sleep talking and sleep walking in my family both on my > > father and mother side. This might be some genetical thing. > > The strangest thing is that I can walk around knowing this isn’t true, > turn > > the light one, and it takes minutes until I’m out of the dream (like > > appartment collapsing etc). Also I remember a lot. I am kinda in a > stressed > > period of my life now, so I might be more dramatic now. If the dreams > where > > nice it would probably be nicer sleepwalks too. > > I think I have more like sleep terrors, because I have been waking up with > > high heart rates several times per night over several months. Right now > it’s > > ok, because of the valium. Maybe this can be some kind of RBD too, but I > > think it’s strange that it happens so often. Almost every 30 minutes, and > > always 30 minutes after I fall asleep. I actually thought I slept all > night > > when I first tried valium, but my camera showed that I still sleepwalked, > > but I kinda stayed more in be bed and I was calmer. > > regards, > > Morten > > "Lis" wrote in message > > news:pOj_9.2036$N5.1231259@nnrp1.ptd.net… > > > I see that no one has replied, and that’s too bad. Tag, I’m it! > > > My daughters sleepwalk. More with stress. Most times they are simply > > > looking for me to halt a bad dream, but sometimes my eldest will > sleepwalk > > > into the living room and sit down to watch TV (having turned it on). I > go > > to > > > see what all the noise is about and she is there, looking at the TV but > > not > > > awake. I can talk to her but the answers are nonsensical. My kids, my > > > husband and myself all also talk in our sleep. I tend to wake myself up > > when > > > doing this, but hubbie and kids do not, though they wake each other > My > > > oldest daughter very proudly tells the story of how she once woke up a > > scout > > > troop with a pretty credible Xena, Warrior Princess yell. They were very > > > impressed. Friends tella story of how we went camping once and husband > > and > > > I sleep-talked to the extent that apparently your dreams were > > inter-weaving > > > and we were having conversations while asleep. > > > So, what to do? If it is ruining your life as you say, then get to a > sleep > > > doctor and get a sleep study. It’s the ONLY way to get a definitive > > > diagnosis. If I had your problem, I’d go to a University with a sleep > > study > > > center. You’d be a goldmine for them, they might cut the costs of the > > > treatment for a chance to study your problems. I don’t know where you > are, > > > but I am sure that there will be someone who can help you. I’d also see > a > > > hypnotherapist to disabuse you of your "collapsing apartment" fears. If > > you > > > have to sleepwalk, perhaps it could be to nicer dreams? I distinctly > > > remember the only time I sleep-walked as an adult: We’d just been to see > > the > > > movie Rob Roy, and were staying in the city with my Mom. If you didn’t > see > > > the movie, there is a rape scene in a burning building that disturbed > me > > a > > > great deal, have been assaulted myself in college. I awoke that night > > after > > > a horrible dream (in which my home was burning down around me) to find > > > myself standing at my Mom’s bay window, staring at the orange > streetlamps > > > outside with their fire-like glow. So I think I may know a little of > what > > > you are going through. I still sometimes dream that the house is burning > > > down around me (a repeat of the dream). > > > Meanwhile tell your girlfriend that the doors must be locked at night, > > that > > > anything dangerous should be put away and the place made as safe as > > possible > > > for you before bed. If there is a support group in your area, you need > to > > > find it. > > > In regards to having children and getting married, I’d like to tell you > > that > > > you shouldn’t put your life on hold unless there is a psychological > reason > > > not to do so. While there is a strong genetic factor in my family and > > their > > > sleep problems, we actually lead a pretty wonderful life, and I wouldn’t > > > have foregone my kids for anything. What is an annoyance against having > a > > > built-in support group right here in my home? > > > Cheers > > > Lis > > > "Morten Eriksen" wrote in message > > > news:3e370259@news.broadpark.no… > > > > Hi there > > > > I’m a 29 year old male, and I have had sleep problems since I was 12. > I > > > > usually walk in my sleep 30 minutes after going to bed and every 30 > mins > > > > most of the night. It can be every 60 minutes. I know this from a > > > monitoring > > > > camera. I think my problem is related to many different disorders, but > > > night > > > > terrors, sleep walking and acting out dreams is the main problem. > > > > I usually get up from bed and move around the apartment. The things I > > > > remember are usually when I have been roaming around and dreamt about > > the > > > > apartment colapsing etc. and I wake up after a few(?) minutes. I have > > also > > > > tipped over furniture, tried to break my windows, pulled my girlfriend > > out > > > > of bed, stood agains the walls trying to keep the apartment standing > > (for > > > > some reason). All these episodes involved me having high heart rates, > > and > > > > I’m usually really afraid. This is very scary for my girlfriend. It’s > at > > > the > > > > point where we both are a bit scared of what’s going to happen the > next > > > > night. Having kids is not possible because we’re afraid of what can > > > happen. > > > > In october and november my doctor subscribed Valium, and that helped a > > lot > > > > the first month. Neither my girlfriend or I noticed any > sleepingwalking, > > > but > > > > that only helped me for about a month, then I was back to walking > around > > > and > > > > waking my girlfriend up. This time I was calmer, and I didn’t remember > > > much. > > > > This also removed all my neck, shoulder, back and arm pains, which I > > have > > > > been having the last 2 years. I’m kinda a stressed person and working > a > > > lot, > > > > and I feel the night problems interfere with my daily life and > stressing > > > me > > > > a lot more than necessary. > > > > I have a large track record of strange sleepwalking events. Other > people > > > can > > > > talk to me and I answer then, but I’m kinda like an infant and > occupied > > > with > > > > non existing things (my dreams). > > > > Anyone else with similar problems who can give some advice. It’s 12 > > months

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Hi Mort. I think the first thing you have to do is get yourself educated. There is a wealth of free information on the internet, and you don’t have to look very hard to find it. I suggest that you go to www.dogpile.com and type in "sleep disorder" or "night terror". I wasn’t kidding about the hypnotherapist, either. While a hypnotherapist can’t address the neurological side of your problem like a neurologist/sleep doctor, s/he can perhaps make it more pleasant for you to have these episodes and implant ways to relieve stress without the terrible dreams while sleepwalking. Maybe you would get help from this "lucid dreaming" movement (though many folks think it’s full of $h1#, it MAY help you participate in your dreams to the extent that you could train yourself to redirect the dream). I know that if you look online, you will find the nearest sleep centers through sleep organizations, and you might be able to find a sleep center better able to help you even if you have to drive across the border to another country (and try looking under private practice physicians if your country has a National Health Service. Yes, you’d pay for it yourself, but you can’t go on forever without proper sleep. It WILL kill you eventually). If I were you I’d call up the nearest medical school/training hospital, speak to the neurology department, and work my way from there (because it sounds like you have a sleep-phase disorder that could very well be taken care of with the right medication). And book that sleep test anyway, even if it’s a year down the road. Help a year from now is better than never getting help. Tell them how terrible it is for you, how you are suffering, and how you’re willing to take any slot caused by someone else’s cancelled appointment—in general I’ve found that the more pathetic you sound to the healthcare system, the quicker they are to help you. I bet you’ll get in sooner. Sad, but universally true , even here in the good old U S A. Post and let us know what happens. I’m sure that Tal could use some of your experiences for her FAQ files. Cheers Lis "Morten Eriksen" wrote in message

news:3e3ab91d$1@news.broadpark.no… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Lis > Thanks for your reply. I was beginning to think I was alone about this stuff > > I live in Norway, and there really isn’t much help to get here. Like I said, > they only got one expert who can read sleep register results, and it’s 12 > months to get one > There are a lot of sleep talking and sleep walking in my family both on my > father and mother side. This might be some genetical thing. > The strangest thing is that I can walk around knowing this isn’t true, turn > the light one, and it takes minutes until I’m out of the dream (like > appartment collapsing etc). Also I remember a lot. I am kinda in a stressed > period of my life now, so I might be more dramatic now. If the dreams where > nice it would probably be nicer sleepwalks too. > I think I have more like sleep terrors, because I have been waking up with > high heart rates several times per night over several months. Right now it’s > ok, because of the valium. Maybe this can be some kind of RBD too, but I > think it’s strange that it happens so often. Almost every 30 minutes, and > always 30 minutes after I fall asleep. I actually thought I slept all night > when I first tried valium, but my camera showed that I still sleepwalked, > but I kinda stayed more in be bed and I was calmer. > regards, > Morten > "Lis" wrote in message > news:pOj_9.2036$N5.1231259@nnrp1.ptd.net… > > I see that no one has replied, and that’s too bad. Tag, I’m it! > > My daughters sleepwalk. More with stress. Most times they are simply > > looking for me to halt a bad dream, but sometimes my eldest will sleepwalk > > into the living room and sit down to watch TV (having turned it on). I go > to > > see what all the noise is about and she is there, looking at the TV but > not > > awake. I can talk to her but the answers are nonsensical. My kids, my > > husband and myself all also talk in our sleep. I tend to wake myself up > when > > doing this, but hubbie and kids do not, though they wake each other My > > oldest daughter very proudly tells the story of how she once woke up a > scout > > troop with a pretty credible Xena, Warrior Princess yell. They were very > > impressed. Friends tella story of how we went camping once and husband > and > > I sleep-talked to the extent that apparently your dreams were > inter-weaving > > and we were having conversations while asleep. > > So, what to do? If it is ruining your life as you say, then get to a sleep > > doctor and get a sleep study. It’s the ONLY way to get a definitive > > diagnosis. If I had your problem, I’d go to a University with a sleep > study > > center. You’d be a goldmine for them, they might cut the costs of the > > treatment for a chance to study your problems. I don’t know where you are, > > but I am sure that there will be someone who can help you. I’d also see a > > hypnotherapist to disabuse you of your "collapsing apartment" fears. If > you > > have to sleepwalk, perhaps it could be to nicer dreams? I distinctly > > remember the only time I sleep-walked as an adult: We’d just been to see > the > > movie Rob Roy, and were staying in the city with my Mom. If you didn’t see > > the movie, there is a rape scene in a burning building that disturbed me > a > > great deal, have been assaulted myself in college. I awoke that night > after > > a horrible dream (in which my home was burning down around me) to find > > myself standing at my Mom’s bay window, staring at the orange streetlamps > > outside with their fire-like glow. So I think I may know a little of what > > you are going through. I still sometimes dream that the house is burning > > down around me (a repeat of the dream). > > Meanwhile tell your girlfriend that the doors must be locked at night, > that > > anything dangerous should be put away and the place made as safe as > possible > > for you before bed. If there is a support group in your area, you need to > > find it. > > In regards to having children and getting married, I’d like to tell you > that > > you shouldn’t put your life on hold unless there is a psychological reason > > not to do so. While there is a strong genetic factor in my family and > their > > sleep problems, we actually lead a pretty wonderful life, and I wouldn’t > > have foregone my kids for anything. What is an annoyance against having a > > built-in support group right here in my home? > > Cheers > > Lis > > "Morten Eriksen" wrote in message > > news:3e370259@news.broadpark.no… > > > Hi there > > > I’m a 29 year old male, and I have had sleep problems since I was 12. I > > > usually walk in my sleep 30 minutes after going to bed and every 30 mins > > > most of the night. It can be every 60 minutes. I know this from a > > monitoring > > > camera. I think my problem is related to many different disorders, but > > night > > > terrors, sleep walking and acting out dreams is the main problem. > > > I usually get up from bed and move around the apartment. The things I > > > remember are usually when I have been roaming around and dreamt about > the > > > apartment colapsing etc. and I wake up after a few(?) minutes. I have > also > > > tipped over furniture, tried to break my windows, pulled my girlfriend > out > > > of bed, stood agains the walls trying to keep the apartment standing > (for > > > some reason). All these episodes involved me having high heart rates, > and > > > I’m usually really afraid. This is very scary for my girlfriend. It’s at > > the > > > point where we both are a bit scared of what’s going to happen the next > > > night. Having kids is not possible because we’re afraid of what can > > happen. > > > In october and november my doctor subscribed Valium, and that helped a > lot > > > the first month. Neither my girlfriend or I noticed any sleepingwalking, > > but > > > that only helped me for about a month, then I was back to walking around > > and > > > waking my girlfriend up. This time I was calmer, and I didn’t remember > > much. > > > This also removed all my neck, shoulder, back and arm pains, which I > have > > > been having the last 2 years. I’m kinda a stressed person and working a > > lot, > > > and I feel the night problems interfere with my daily life and stressing > > me > > > a lot more than necessary. > > > I have a large track record of strange sleepwalking events. Other people > > can > > > talk to me and I answer then, but I’m kinda like an infant and occupied > > with > > > non existing things (my dreams). > > > Anyone else with similar problems who can give some advice. It’s 12 > months > > > queue to get a sleep recording at the hospital here in Norway. They only > > > have one expert who can read these diagrams in all of Norway. In the > > > meantime I’m still taking Valium, but it’s not helping much. > > > kind regards, > > > Morten > > > Aka Sleepwalker

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Hi Lis Thanks for your reply. I was beginning to think I was alone about this stuff I live in Norway, and there really isn’t much help to get here. Like I said, they only got one expert who can read sleep register results, and it’s 12 months to get one There are a lot of sleep talking and sleep walking in my family both on my father and mother side. This might be some genetical thing. The strangest thing is that I can walk around knowing this isn’t true, turn the light one, and it takes minutes until I’m out of the dream (like appartment collapsing etc). Also I remember a lot. I am kinda in a stressed period of my life now, so I might be more dramatic now. If the dreams where nice it would probably be nicer sleepwalks too. I think I have more like sleep terrors, because I have been waking up with high heart rates several times per night over several months. Right now it’s ok, because of the valium. Maybe this can be some kind of RBD too, but I think it’s strange that it happens so often. Almost every 30 minutes, and always 30 minutes after I fall asleep. I actually thought I slept all night when I first tried valium, but my camera showed that I still sleepwalked, but I kinda stayed more in be bed and I was calmer. regards, Morten "Lis" wrote in message

news:pOj_9.2036$N5.1231259@nnrp1.ptd.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I see that no one has replied, and that’s too bad. Tag, I’m it! > My daughters sleepwalk. More with stress. Most times they are simply > looking for me to halt a bad dream, but sometimes my eldest will sleepwalk > into the living room and sit down to watch TV (having turned it on). I go to > see what all the noise is about and she is there, looking at the TV but not > awake. I can talk to her but the answers are nonsensical. My kids, my > husband and myself all also talk in our sleep. I tend to wake myself up when > doing this, but hubbie and kids do not, though they wake each other My > oldest daughter very proudly tells the story of how she once woke up a scout > troop with a pretty credible Xena, Warrior Princess yell. They were very > impressed. Friends tella story of how we went camping once and husband and > I sleep-talked to the extent that apparently your dreams were inter-weaving > and we were having conversations while asleep. > So, what to do? If it is ruining your life as you say, then get to a sleep > doctor and get a sleep study. It’s the ONLY way to get a definitive > diagnosis. If I had your problem, I’d go to a University with a sleep study > center. You’d be a goldmine for them, they might cut the costs of the > treatment for a chance to study your problems. I don’t know where you are, > but I am sure that there will be someone who can help you. I’d also see a > hypnotherapist to disabuse you of your "collapsing apartment" fears. If you > have to sleepwalk, perhaps it could be to nicer dreams? I distinctly > remember the only time I sleep-walked as an adult: We’d just been to see the > movie Rob Roy, and were staying in the city with my Mom. If you didn’t see > the movie, there is a rape scene in a burning building that disturbed me a > great deal, have been assaulted myself in college. I awoke that night after > a horrible dream (in which my home was burning down around me) to find > myself standing at my Mom’s bay window, staring at the orange streetlamps > outside with their fire-like glow. So I think I may know a little of what > you are going through. I still sometimes dream that the house is burning > down around me (a repeat of the dream). > Meanwhile tell your girlfriend that the doors must be locked at night, that > anything dangerous should be put away and the place made as safe as possible > for you before bed. If there is a support group in your area, you need to > find it. > In regards to having children and getting married, I’d like to tell you that > you shouldn’t put your life on hold unless there is a psychological reason > not to do so. While there is a strong genetic factor in my family and their > sleep problems, we actually lead a pretty wonderful life, and I wouldn’t > have foregone my kids for anything. What is an annoyance against having a > built-in support group right here in my home? > Cheers > Lis > "Morten Eriksen" wrote in message > news:3e370259@news.broadpark.no… > > Hi there > > I’m a 29 year old male, and I have had sleep problems since I was 12. I > > usually walk in my sleep 30 minutes after going to bed and every 30 mins > > most of the night. It can be every 60 minutes. I know this from a > monitoring > > camera. I think my problem is related to many different disorders, but > night > > terrors, sleep walking and acting out dreams is the main problem. > > I usually get up from bed and move around the apartment. The things I > > remember are usually when I have been roaming around and dreamt about the > > apartment colapsing etc. and I wake up after a few(?) minutes. I have also > > tipped over furniture, tried to break my windows, pulled my girlfriend out > > of bed, stood agains the walls trying to keep the apartment standing (for > > some reason). All these episodes involved me having high heart rates, and > > I’m usually really afraid. This is very scary for my girlfriend. It’s at > the > > point where we both are a bit scared of what’s going to happen the next > > night. Having kids is not possible because we’re afraid of what can > happen. > > In october and november my doctor subscribed Valium, and that helped a lot > > the first month. Neither my girlfriend or I noticed any sleepingwalking, > but > > that only helped me for about a month, then I was back to walking around > and > > waking my girlfriend up. This time I was calmer, and I didn’t remember > much. > > This also removed all my neck, shoulder, back and arm pains, which I have > > been having the last 2 years. I’m kinda a stressed person and working a > lot, > > and I feel the night problems interfere with my daily life and stressing > me > > a lot more than necessary. > > I have a large track record of strange sleepwalking events. Other people > can > > talk to me and I answer then, but I’m kinda like an infant and occupied > with > > non existing things (my dreams). > > Anyone else with similar problems who can give some advice. It’s 12 months > > queue to get a sleep recording at the hospital here in Norway. They only > > have one expert who can read these diagrams in all of Norway. In the > > meantime I’m still taking Valium, but it’s not helping much. > > kind regards, > > Morten > > Aka Sleepwalker

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I see that no one has replied, and that’s too bad. Tag, I’m it! My daughters sleepwalk. More with stress. Most times they are simply looking for me to halt a bad dream, but sometimes my eldest will sleepwalk into the living room and sit down to watch TV (having turned it on). I go to see what all the noise is about and she is there, looking at the TV but not awake. I can talk to her but the answers are nonsensical. My kids, my husband and myself all also talk in our sleep. I tend to wake myself up when doing this, but hubbie and kids do not, though they wake each other My oldest daughter very proudly tells the story of how she once woke up a scout troop with a pretty credible Xena, Warrior Princess yell. They were very impressed. Friends tella story of how we went camping once and husband and I sleep-talked to the extent that apparently your dreams were inter-weaving and we were having conversations while asleep. So, what to do? If it is ruining your life as you say, then get to a sleep doctor and get a sleep study. It’s the ONLY way to get a definitive diagnosis. If I had your problem, I’d go to a University with a sleep study center. You’d be a goldmine for them, they might cut the costs of the treatment for a chance to study your problems. I don’t know where you are, but I am sure that there will be someone who can help you. I’d also see a hypnotherapist to disabuse you of your "collapsing apartment" fears. If you have to sleepwalk, perhaps it could be to nicer dreams? I distinctly remember the only time I sleep-walked as an adult: We’d just been to see the movie Rob Roy, and were staying in the city with my Mom. If you didn’t see the movie, there is a rape scene in a burning building that disturbed me a great deal, have been assaulted myself in college. I awoke that night after a horrible dream (in which my home was burning down around me) to find myself standing at my Mom’s bay window, staring at the orange streetlamps outside with their fire-like glow. So I think I may know a little of what you are going through. I still sometimes dream that the house is burning down around me (a repeat of the dream). Meanwhile tell your girlfriend that the doors must be locked at night, that anything dangerous should be put away and the place made as safe as possible for you before bed. If there is a support group in your area, you need to find it. In regards to having children and getting married, I’d like to tell you that you shouldn’t put your life on hold unless there is a psychological reason not to do so. While there is a strong genetic factor in my family and their sleep problems, we actually lead a pretty wonderful life, and I wouldn’t have foregone my kids for anything. What is an annoyance against having a built-in support group right here in my home? Cheers Lis "Morten Eriksen" wrote in message

news:3e370259@news.broadpark.no… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi there > I’m a 29 year old male, and I have had sleep problems since I was 12. I > usually walk in my sleep 30 minutes after going to bed and every 30 mins > most of the night. It can be every 60 minutes. I know this from a monitoring > camera. I think my problem is related to many different disorders, but night > terrors, sleep walking and acting out dreams is the main problem. > I usually get up from bed and move around the apartment. The things I > remember are usually when I have been roaming around and dreamt about the > apartment colapsing etc. and I wake up after a few(?) minutes. I have also > tipped over furniture, tried to break my windows, pulled my girlfriend out > of bed, stood agains the walls trying to keep the apartment standing (for > some reason). All these episodes involved me having high heart rates, and > I’m usually really afraid. This is very scary for my girlfriend. It’s at the > point where we both are a bit scared of what’s going to happen the next > night. Having kids is not possible because we’re afraid of what can happen. > In october and november my doctor subscribed Valium, and that helped a lot > the first month. Neither my girlfriend or I noticed any sleepingwalking, but > that only helped me for about a month, then I was back to walking around and > waking my girlfriend up. This time I was calmer, and I didn’t remember much. > This also removed all my neck, shoulder, back and arm pains, which I have > been having the last 2 years. I’m kinda a stressed person and working a lot, > and I feel the night problems interfere with my daily life and stressing me > a lot more than necessary. > I have a large track record of strange sleepwalking events. Other people can > talk to me and I answer then, but I’m kinda like an infant and occupied with > non existing things (my dreams). > Anyone else with similar problems who can give some advice. It’s 12 months > queue to get a sleep recording at the hospital here in Norway. They only > have one expert who can read these diagrams in all of Norway. In the > meantime I’m still taking Valium, but it’s not helping much. > kind regards, > Morten > Aka Sleepwalker

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Migraine and nightmares

admin — Mon, 09 Sep 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Odd… I find that when I wake up with a migraine I have had horrible nghtmares all night. I wonder if I get the migraine because of the nightmare, or if I am having the nightmare because I have a migraine. It probably won’t do diddly for me to know the answer to this. I just want to know if anyone else has wondered this. Teresa

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I suffer from classic & common migraines and I suffer from night terrors (FYI: read up on these). I had these advanced nightmares all the time including sleep walking as a child, but as I got older ther nightmares became less intense (I only get night terrors now once in a blue) but the migraines increased in frequency and intensity. This would suggest no connection. I do wake up with 50% of my migraines, but with no known nightmares sponsering them. It could be that the root cause of the migraines (cerebral cortex spazzing out) could cause nightmares. I wouldn’t say that one causes the other though.

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increase during hormonal changes. Have you noticed this? I’ve never actually documented my migraine-nightmares to find out. Sleep well, Jasmine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Odd… I find that when I wake up with a migraine I have had horrible nghtmares all night. I wonder if I get the migraine because of the nightmare, or if I am having the nightmare because I have a migraine. It probably won’t do diddly for me to know the answer to this. I just want to know if anyone else has wondered this. Teresa

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I too have noticed a link between disturbed sleep and migraines. In such dreams i have seen magicians casting Hollywood-style "magical spells" consisting of flashing orange and black designs — or my attention has been directed to a hand-crocheted afghan consisting of flashing orange-and-black patterns — or nuclear bombs are going off in multiple orange-and-black flashes at the horizon line. . Obviously these oddly flashing dream-images are the dream-equivalents to scintillating scotoma, one of the delightful precursors of my waking migraines. cat yronwode

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Interesting question for you though. Finding the answer may help you to figure out a cause. Perhaps figuring out what circumstances make a nightmare likely and then try to eliminate that or premedicate in those circumstances. Maybe a sleep study might be useful?

chris says he knows when my pain has gone spaso-kitty while i’m asleep. Says i whimper in my sleep if the pain spikes and knows when i wake up i’m gonna be in painhell. (guess who was whimpering last night?) Deep peace, Lavon

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Hi … I also have had the same problem and have wondered on the issue … Maybe the migraines are triggered by the disturbed sleep caused by the nightmare. Restless sleeping is often a trigger of mine. And since nightmares can cause the same symptoms as waking stress, that also could be part of the trigger. Just some of my ideas.

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it must have a link

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Hi there, I think the migraine causes the nightmares. I always know when I have a migraine when I’m dreaming about Vicodin coming out of a vending machine. Wishful thinking! Lady

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I am glad he is doing better. Waking up with a migraine is absolutely evil.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chris (almost 14) has several different migraines. One of the most bizarre revolves around migraines occurring while he’s asleep. He would have what looked like an extended night terror–screaming, calling for us, throwing up, clutching his head, etc. The longest one was 8 hours (what fun). He never remembered the pain when he woke up. We had 3 different neurologists seeing him at once when he was 6-7. One was for migraines, one was for sleep disorders, and one was for ADD. When he went on tricyclic antidepressants, the ADD was more under control (for him), the sleep problems went away, and the migraines decreased–although they didn’t go totally away. But he’s never had another nighttime one since (knock wood–going on 6 years now). He had his first night terror at 4 months. Somewhere we’ve got a video tape of him having one–hey, a techie parent does what a techie parent does, touching him or in any way interacting with him just extended the night terror. Video taping them at least gave us something to show to our doctor who shared them with his co-workers and at least provided a few parents some doctors who were a bit better informed about exactly why parents freaked out over these things! He didn’t get an intentifiable migraine with a night terror until he was about 4 1/2. Then about every 2-4 months we’d get woken up by him having one. The ultimate powerless parenting moment. Georgia I suffer from classic & common migraines and I suffer from night terrors (FYI: read up on these). I had these advanced nightmares all the time including sleep walking as a child, but as I got older ther nightmares became less intense (I only get night terrors now once in a blue) but the migraines increased in frequency and intensity. This would suggest no connection. I do wake up with 50% of my migraines, but with no known nightmares sponsering them. It could be that the root cause of the migraines (cerebral cortex spazzing out) could cause nightmares. I wouldn’t say that one causes the other though.

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Oh, I agree and I think they say the time period that is most active is around ovulation. It has something to do with the body temperature being higher I think. I know that is when my dream life got very active. For me it lasted almost the full two weeks before all hell broke loose Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – nightmares increase during hormonal changes. Have you noticed this? I’ve never actually documented my migraine-nightmares to find out. Sleep well, Jasmine Odd… I find that when I wake up with a migraine I have had horrible nghtmares all night. I wonder if I get the migraine because of the nightmare, or if I am having the nightmare because I have a migraine. It probably won’t do diddly for me to know the answer to this. I just want to know if anyone else has wondered this. Teresa

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Chris (almost 14) has several different migraines. One of the most bizarre revolves around migraines occurring while he’s asleep. He would have what looked like an extended night terror–screaming, calling for us, throwing up, clutching his head, etc. The longest one was 8 hours (what fun). He never remembered the pain when he woke up. We had 3 different neurologists seeing him at once when he was 6-7. One was for migraines, one was for sleep disorders, and one was for ADD. When he went on tricyclic antidepressants, the ADD was more under control (for him), the sleep problems went away, and the migraines decreased–although they didn’t go totally away. But he’s never had another nighttime one since (knock wood–going on 6 years now). He had his first night terror at 4 months. Somewhere we’ve got a video tape of him having one–hey, a techie parent does what a techie parent does, touching him or in any way interacting with him just extended the night terror. Video taping them at least gave us something to show to our doctor who shared them with his co-workers and at least provided a few parents some doctors who were a bit better informed about exactly why parents freaked out over these things! He didn’t get an intentifiable migraine with a night terror until he was about 4 1/2. Then about every 2-4 months we’d get woken up by him having one. The ultimate powerless parenting moment. Georgia

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suffer from classic & common migraines and I suffer from night terrors (FYI: read up on these). I had these advanced nightmares all the time including sleep walking as a child, but as I got older ther nightmares became less intense (I only get night terrors now once in a blue) but the migraines increased in frequency and intensity. This would suggest no connection. I do wake up with 50% of my migraines, but with no known nightmares sponsering them. It could be that the root cause of the migraines (cerebral cortex spazzing out) could cause nightmares. I wouldn’t say that one causes the other though.

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Night Terrors/Parasomnia (UK)

admin — Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

Hi all, Hope you don’t mind another newbie post. I’m writing on behalf of a friend who has suffered from adult night terrors for many years. I am trying to find support for her in the UK, even if that only takes the form of a few people she can email. She only has limited access to the net (I’ve found a really good site at www.nightterrors.org ) but can email at work. Can anyone help? I can’t believe the lack of support there is for sleep disorders in general, and reading the posts here I can see that it’s not just an issue in the UK. Karen recently had a really unpleasant consultant’s appointment at which she was told that the problem "didn’t really have much effect on her". When she pointed out that yes, it did, never mind the effect it has on her partner, the consultant said dismissively "we’re not here to talk about your partner’s health". She also had an appalling week in a sleep centre here. I can write more on Karen’s experiences if anyone would find them useful or interesting, but for now I wanted to say hello and ask if anyone knows of any pre-existing support group for this type of sleep disorder. Wishing you all a peaceful weekend, Elizabeth

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"Cosmic the Cat" wrote: >Hope you don’t mind another newbie post.

Never! :-) > I’m writing on behalf of a friend >who has suffered from adult night terrors for many years. I am trying to >find support for her in the UK, even if that only takes the form of a few >people she can email. She only has limited access to the net (I’ve found a >really good site at www.nightterrors.org ) but can email at work. Can >anyone help?

I don’t know of a better site, but a quick check of the group’s archives generated a lot of hits. The messages are all in newsgroup format so you could easily copy/paste them to her as email. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&group=alt.support…. One thread I looked at said that some people were able to convert their night terror episodes into Lucid Dreaming, you might want to investigate that a little further. >I can’t believe the lack of support there is for sleep disorders in general,

Believe it! :-( >Karen recently had a really unpleasant consultant’s appointment at which she >was told that the problem "didn’t really have much effect on her". When she >pointed out that yes, it did, never mind the effect it has on her partner, >the consultant said dismissively "we’re not here to talk about your >partner’s health".

Ah yes, good old Doctor Useless. Please let us know if you find anything that helps, the next person here with the problem might benefit. Tom

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Tom Devlin wrote: > "Cosmic the Cat" wrote: [snipped] > >Karen recently had a really unpleasant consultant’s appointment at which she > >was told that the problem "didn’t really have much effect on her". When she > >pointed out that yes, it did, never mind the effect it has on her partner, > >the consultant said dismissively "we’re not here to talk about your > >partner’s health". > Ah yes, good old Doctor Useless.

HEY! Your use of the term "Doctor Useless" is a violation of my copyright (I think). GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

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"Tom Devlin" wrote in message

news:df4i0ukhc6ummj01j18r3fg3q6nf3l7u76@4ax.com… > "Cosmic the Cat" wrote:

> I don’t know of a better site, but a quick check of the group’s > archives generated a lot of hits. The messages are all in newsgroup > format so you could easily copy/paste them to her as email.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&group=alt.support…. isorder > Please let us know if you find anything that helps, the next person > here with the problem might benefit. > Tom

Hi Tom, Thanks for your reply. Actually I didn’t realise it was possible to search on ng archives (D’OH) and your URL has proved to be very interesting, so thank you. The main thing I keep reading over and over again is ‘please help me’ from people who are suffering. I’m compiling a list of things people have tried which have helped, and will keep adding to it… But the key issue, the bit that I can help with at least, I think is support, knowing you’re not the only one out there, having people who understand what you’re going through. I’d still like to get some kind of support network going, even if it’s only by email – so if anyone wants to join, just mail me and we’ll see what happens. I’ll keep posting whenever I find new stuff, Love to you all Elizabeth

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"Cosmic the Cat" wrote: >Thanks for your reply. Actually I didn’t realise it was possible to search >on ng archives (D’OH) and your URL has proved to be very interesting, so >thank you.

Thank the nice folks at Google, they took over when Deja-News went under. >But the key issue, the bit that I can help with at least, I think is >support, knowing you’re not the only one out there, having people who >understand what you’re going through. I’d still like to get some kind of >support network going, even if it’s only by email – so if anyone wants to >join, just mail me and we’ll see what happens.

I looked for a related mailing list but nothing turned up. There is an alt.dreams.lucid newsgroup, the following’s from their FAQ, and a search of their archives might turn up other ideas. |Night terrors are nightmare-like attacks that occur during non-REM |sleep which often involve movement and screaming. Those experiencing |them usually have no dream recall or recollection of the experience. |Young children, about 2% of them, mostly experience this. It occurs |usually within two hours after going to bed. A good way of relieving |these experiences is finding out when these terrors occur, and then |set the alarm clock to 15 minutes before the terrors start. Do this |the rest of the night, for seven days. In most cases does the terrors |>stop. If they start again, then do the program once more. >I’ll keep posting whenever I find new stuff,

Thanks. Tom

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You said your friend had a "consultant’s" appointment – what kind of consultant? I would think that since her problem is sleep related, she should be seeing a "sleep specialist" or "sleep doctor" for help. If that IS the "consultant" you are referring to, she needs to find another one! As far as support, if the sleep doctor cannot steer her in the right direction for a support group, maybe try contacting UK associations or organizations devoted to "sleep" or "sleep disorders" – as opposed to searching for specifically "night terrors" on the internet. Best of luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cosmic the Cat wrote: > Hi all, > Hope you don’t mind another newbie post. I’m writing on behalf of a friend > who has suffered from adult night terrors for many years. I am trying to > find support for her in the UK, even if that only takes the form of a few > people she can email. She only has limited access to the net (I’ve found a > really good site at www.nightterrors.org ) but can email at work. Can > anyone help? > I can’t believe the lack of support there is for sleep disorders in general, > and reading the posts here I can see that it’s not just an issue in the UK. > Karen recently had a really unpleasant consultant’s appointment at which she > was told that the problem "didn’t really have much effect on her". When she > pointed out that yes, it did, never mind the effect it has on her partner, > the consultant said dismissively "we’re not here to talk about your > partner’s health". > She also had an appalling week in a sleep centre here. > I can write more on Karen’s experiences if anyone would find them useful or > interesting, but for now I wanted to say hello and ask if anyone knows of > any pre-existing support group for this type of sleep disorder. > Wishing you all a peaceful weekend, > Elizabeth

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* Was this PD related? (Please Read!) *

admin — Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:00:00 +0000

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Z: I had night terrors (those awake dreams where you are paralyzed but seem to be able to see the room, just not able to move or cry out for help — horrible!) as a child from around ages 5-8, and then again as an adult in my 20s*. Also I would have the falling falling falling horrible sensation as I entered or left a particular dream. And I had terrible vivid nightmares as a young child; I can remember actually being TOUCHED by a witch as she flew by me when I was 6 — spent the rest of that night in my parents’ bed!! *Interestingly, my mid 20s is also when I first began having severe PAs while driving. Connection? I think some of us are simply hardwired to be anxious (also hyperimaginative) and maybe this manifests in our dreams and waking/dreaming states as well, and then makes us susceptible also to developing anxiety disorders, PD, etc. Hope you have sweet dreams from now on, Z. xo Anne —

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Oh my god! Betime is the absolute worst for me. The other day for example…I was actually having a really good day. Very mild anxiety. Not one full blown panic attack and in general I just felt good the whole day. That is until I went to go to sleep. The feeling of my body relaxing always sends me spiraling out of control. I start to drift off and lets say I start a little bit of very light dreaming. You know…where your thoughts sort of float away from you and take on their own life. It’s that loss of control that jolts me out of sleep. I wake up dizzy and scared. Feeling like I can’t breathe. Terrified that if I go back to sleep I won’t wake up. My heart races. Sometimes it’s so bad it causes palpatations. Everything feels heavy and it terrifies me. I’m horrified that my heart is just going to stop beating or that I’ll stop breathing.It’s EVERY night. No matter what kind of day I’ve had. Some nights I can barely force myself into bed. That of course makes it even worse because then I’m so overtired. Not to mention it wreaking havoc on the following day because I’m so sleep deprived and not enough sleep is always a trigger for me too. The other night it was bad enough that I sat bolt upright, woke my husband up out of a deep sleep and forced him to sit over me and watch me just in case I passed out or something. The only thing that helped eventually helped me was getting out of bed, going to the bathroom, washing off my face, coming back in turning all the lights on and the tv and just sitting there watching the tv til the panic passed and i was somewhat sure that if i was going to die, I would have already. Unfortunately the next day I was a zombie! *sigh* Celeste Breaking in, in my eyes I can’t see like this I can’t let go, please help me down I can’t be like this Seeing them, them all around How can they be so sweet? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I could have also titled this, "Have I battled this monster before?" When I was child, somewhere in the single-digit years, I had pre-sleep ‘nightmares’. I knew it was different from any other experience I ever had. But there was no way I could put the experience into words, when explaining to my parents. I was way too young to make sense of it. My parents always said I was having a bad dream, or was sleepwalking. This went on for years I’d say : on and off. Probably until I was 14-15yrs old. I knew it was no dream! (nothing was so horrifying). I knew it wasn’t sleepwalking! I figured it was some odd combination thereof. Sometimes weeks would pass when I was terrified to go to bed, because I’d wonder if that "nightmare monster" was going to visit me. It always hit when I was right on the edge of falling asleep. I was overcome with incredible dread..like the world was falling apart. Everything seemed really huge, and me inside feeling like a tiny speck. Was this a dream I couldn’t wake from? I’d usually get up, flick on all the lights I could, shake my head, splash my face with handfuls of water…"Wake up you!! This isn’t real! You’re safe inside your house!" My own rational thoughts were no match. But usually 10 min. later I’d snap out of it. and a majority of the time, that was it for the night. No repeats. But it ended. I made it end, which now I look upon as an incredible feat. I decided I was going to control "it" and not vice-versa. I was eventually able to lie in bed at night, set the lighting just right, and "force myself" into this panicked state. I’d quickly pull out the second things started to get weird. I did this for many months. But I kept going further and further, and then snapping myself out of it. Eventually, I was able to snap out of that state on command. In fact, it never got a hold of me again. I had slain the giant night-beast that terrorized me for years! But now as it stands, a little over a decade later, I have "panic disorder". It’s not that night-terror I experienced earlier, but the similarities are so close it’s scary. Is this that same monster I beat so long ago??? Back like a bad horror movie??? I would love to know if anyone has experienced that panicky, everything is huge, the world is ending kinda feeling at bed time or just when drifting off. Maybe there’s an answer to my current PD that lies in the past. Your thoughts would be wonderful!! Aside from my parents knowing, this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned this to a soul. -thanks Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (me sleeping no doubt)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I could have also titled this, "Have I battled this monster before?" When I was child, somewhere in the single-digit years, I had pre-sleep ‘nightmares’. I knew it was different from any other experience I ever had. But there was no way I could put the experience into words, when explaining to my parents. I was way too young to make sense of it. My parents always said I was having a bad dream, or was sleepwalking. This went on for years I’d say : on and off. Probably until I was 14-15yrs old. I knew it was no dream! (nothing was so horrifying). I knew it wasn’t sleepwalking! I figured it was some odd combination thereof. Sometimes weeks would pass when I was terrified to go to bed, because I’d wonder if that "nightmare monster" was going to visit me. It always hit when I was right on the edge of falling asleep. I was overcome with incredible dread..like the world was falling apart. Everything seemed really huge, and me inside feeling like a tiny speck. Was this a dream I couldn’t wake from? I’d usually get up, flick on all the lights I could, shake my head, splash my face with handfuls of water…"Wake up you!! This isn’t real! You’re safe inside your house!" My own rational thoughts were no match. But usually 10 min. later I’d snap out of it. and a majority of the time, that was it for the night. No repeats. But it ended. I made it end, which now I look upon as an incredible feat. I decided I was going to control "it" and not vice-versa. I was eventually able to lie in bed at night, set the lighting just right, and "force myself" into this panicked state. I’d quickly pull out the second things started to get weird. I did this for many months. But I kept going further and further, and then snapping myself out of it. Eventually, I was able to snap out of that state on command. In fact, it never got a hold of me again. I had slain the giant night-beast that terrorized me for years! But now as it stands, a little over a decade later, I have "panic disorder". It’s not that night-terror I experienced earlier, but the similarities are so close it’s scary. Is this that same monster I beat so long ago??? Back like a bad horror movie??? I would love to know if anyone has experienced that panicky, everything is huge, the world is ending kinda feeling at bed time or just when drifting off. Maybe there’s an answer to my current PD that lies in the past. Your thoughts would be wonderful!! Aside from my parents knowing, this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned this to a soul. -thanks Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (me sleeping no doubt) I think I could have also titled this, "Have I battled this monster before?" When I was child, somewhere in the single-digit years, I had pre-sleep ‘nightmares’. I knew it was different from any other experience I ever had. But there was no way I could put the experience into words, when explaining to my parents. I was way too young to make sense of it. My parents always said I was having a bad dream, or was sleepwalking. This went on for years I’d say : on and off. Probably until I was 14-15yrs old. I knew it was no dream! (nothing was so horrifying). I knew it wasn’t sleepwalking! I figured it was some odd combination thereof. Sometimes weeks would pass when I was terrified to go to bed, because I’d wonder if that "nightmare monster" was going to visit me. It always hit when I was right on the edge of falling asleep. I was overcome with incredible dread..like the world was falling apart. Everything seemed really huge, and me inside feeling like a tiny speck. Was this a dream I couldn’t wake from? I’d usually get up, flick on all the lights I could, shake my head, splash my face with handfuls of water…"Wake up you!! This isn’t real! You’re safe inside your house!" My own rational thoughts were no match. But usually 10 min. later I’d snap out of it. and a majority of the time, that was it for the night. No repeats. But it ended. I made it end, which now I look upon as an incredible feat. I decided I was going to control "it" and not vice-versa. I was eventually able to lie in bed at night, set the lighting just right, and "force myself" into this panicked state. I’d quickly pull out the second things started to get weird. I did this for many months. But I kept going further and further, and then snapping myself out of it. Eventually, I was able to snap out of that state on command. In fact, it never got a hold of me again. I had slain the giant night-beast that terrorized me for years! But now as it stands, a little over a decade later, I have "panic disorder". It’s not that night-terror I experienced earlier, but the similarities are so close it’s scary. Is this that same monster I beat so long ago??? Back like a bad horror movie??? I would love to know if anyone has experienced that panicky, everything is huge, the world is ending kinda feeling at bed time or just when drifting off. Maybe there’s an answer to my current PD that lies in the past. Your thoughts would be wonderful!! Aside from my parents knowing, this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned this to a soul. -thanks Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (me sleeping no doubt)

I know exactly what you are talking about-I experienced this as a child as well-also the speeding up of time or slowing down of time-I am unsure if this has any relevance to adult onset manifestations of anxiety-kids experience all kinds of sensations some of whichh is explainable and others not- bottom line is it really doesn’t matter-since the etiology or cause of anxiety is multidimensional-what you indeed ask yourself now is How I deal with this and what wil help me to do so rather then why do I have this and look how I have been battling this for so long-this yeilds to self pity and a feeling of hoplessness-anxiety is chronic our nervous systems over react and are hyper sensitive-ok so now what? We can in spite of it all enjoy a reasonably happy life LM

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Hya Z, I really don’t know if this childhood experience was the first sign of PA. But the strange thing is I had similar experiences. But i was younger. I remember i tried to stay awake,but of course i *fell* asleep. But I really fell,down and down,could not stop it. Finally i would snap out of it and had what i now recognize as PA symptoms. It went away and came back in another form when i was about 12 years. i was totally convinced i would die in my sleep. This fear made me wide awake and later on when they overmedicated me I would buy uppers to stay awake. Would like to hear what margrove could tell us about this – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I could have also titled this, "Have I battled this monster before?" When I was child, somewhere in the single-digit years, I had pre-sleep ‘nightmares’. I knew it was different from any other experience I ever had. But there was no way I could put the experience into words, when explaining to my parents. I was way too young to make sense of it. My parents always said I was having a bad dream, or was sleepwalking. This went on for years I’d say : on and off. Probably until I was 14-15yrs old. I knew it was no dream! (nothing was so horrifying). I knew it wasn’t sleepwalking! I figured it was some odd combination thereof. Sometimes weeks would pass when I was terrified to go to bed, because I’d wonder if that "nightmare monster" was going to visit me. It always hit when I was right on the edge of falling asleep. I was overcome with incredible dread..like the world was falling apart. Everything seemed really huge, and me inside feeling like a tiny speck. Was this a dream I couldn’t wake from? I’d usually get up, flick on all the lights I could, shake my head, splash my face with handfuls of water…"Wake up you!! This isn’t real! You’re safe inside your house!" My own rational thoughts were no match. But usually 10 min. later I’d snap out of it. and a majority of the time, that was it for the night. No repeats. But it ended. I made it end, which now I look upon as an incredible feat. I decided I was going to control "it" and not vice-versa. I was eventually able to lie in bed at night, set the lighting just right, and "force myself" into this panicked state. I’d quickly pull out the second things started to get weird. I did this for many months. But I kept going further and further, and then snapping myself out of it. Eventually, I was able to snap out of that state on command. In fact, it never got a hold of me again. I had slain the giant night-beast that terrorized me for years!

This truelly was a great effort for a child,you must have been very strong And to do this all on your own!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But now as it stands, a little over a decade later, I have "panic disorder". It’s not that night-terror I experienced earlier, but the similarities are so close it’s scary. Is this that same monster I beat so long ago??? Back like a bad horror movie??? I would love to know if anyone has experienced that panicky, everything is huge, the world is ending kinda feeling at bed time or just when drifting off. Maybe there’s an answer to my current PD that lies in the past Your thoughts would be wonderful!! Aside from my parents knowing, this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned this to a soul. -thanks Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (me sleeping no doubt)

Thanks for telling Kiss Anna

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I think I could have also titled this, "Have I battled this monster before?" When I was child, somewhere in the single-digit years, I had pre-sleep ‘nightmares’. I knew it was different from any other experience I ever had. But there was no way I could put the experience into words, when explaining to my parents. I was way too young to make sense of it. My parents always said I was having a bad dream, or was sleepwalking. This went on for years I’d say : on and off. Probably until I was 14-15yrs old. I knew it was no dream! (nothing was so horrifying). I knew it wasn’t sleepwalking! I figured it was some odd combination thereof. Sometimes weeks would pass when I was terrified to go to bed, because I’d wonder if that "nightmare monster" was going to visit me. It always hit when I was right on the edge of falling asleep. I was overcome with incredible dread..like the world was falling apart. Everything seemed really huge, and me inside feeling like a tiny speck. Was this a dream I couldn’t wake from? I’d usually get up, flick on all the lights I could, shake my head, splash my face with handfuls of water…"Wake up you!! This isn’t real! You’re safe inside your house!" My own rational thoughts were no match. But usually 10 min. later I’d snap out of it. and a majority of the time, that was it for the night. No repeats. But it ended. I made it end, which now I look upon as an incredible feat. I decided I was going to control "it" and not vice-versa. I was eventually able to lie in bed at night, set the lighting just right, and "force myself" into this panicked state. I’d quickly pull out the second things started to get weird. I did this for many months. But I kept going further and further, and then snapping myself out of it. Eventually, I was able to snap out of that state on command. In fact, it never got a hold of me again. I had slain the giant night-beast that terrorized me for years! But now as it stands, a little over a decade later, I have "panic disorder". It’s not that night-terror I experienced earlier, but the similarities are so close it’s scary. Is this that same monster I beat so long ago??? Back like a bad horror movie??? I would love to know if anyone has experienced that panicky, everything is huge, the world is ending kinda feeling at bed time or just when drifting off. Maybe there’s an answer to my current PD that lies in the past. Your thoughts would be wonderful!! Aside from my parents knowing, this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned this to a soul. -thanks Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (me sleeping no doubt)

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Sounds like you set up a pattern as a child, and this stayed with you, almost like a habit, until you were old enough to find a way to change the behavior by desensitizing yourself. This must have taken a lot of work, Z! Somebody much smarter than me would have to determine whether this all relates at all to the anxiety you have today, but it certainly sounds logical. Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I could have also titled this, "Have I battled this monster before?" When I was child, somewhere in the single-digit years, I had pre-sleep ‘nightmares’. I knew it was different from any other experience I ever had. But there was no way I could put the experience into words, when explaining to my parents. I was way too young to make sense of it. My parents always said I was having a bad dream, or was sleepwalking. This went on for years I’d say : on and off. Probably until I was 14-15yrs old. I knew it was no dream! (nothing was so horrifying). I knew it wasn’t sleepwalking! I figured it was some odd combination thereof. Sometimes weeks would pass when I was terrified to go to bed, because I’d wonder if that "nightmare monster" was going to visit me. It always hit when I was right on the edge of falling asleep. I was overcome with incredible dread..like the world was falling apart. Everything seemed really huge, and me inside feeling like a tiny speck. Was this a dream I couldn’t wake from? I’d usually get up, flick on all the lights I could, shake my head, splash my face with handfuls of water…"Wake up you!! This isn’t real! You’re safe inside your house!" My own rational thoughts were no match. But usually 10 min. later I’d snap out of it. and a majority of the time, that was it for the night. No repeats. But it ended. I made it end, which now I look upon as an incredible feat. I decided I was going to control "it" and not vice-versa. I was eventually able to lie in bed at night, set the lighting just right, and "force myself" into this panicked state. I’d quickly pull out the second things started to get weird. I did this for many months. But I kept going further and further, and then snapping myself out of it. Eventually, I was able to snap out of that state on command. In fact, it never got a hold of me again. I had slain the giant night-beast that terrorized me for years! But now as it stands, a little over a decade later, I have "panic disorder". It’s not that night-terror I experienced earlier, but the similarities are so close it’s scary. Is this that same monster I beat so long ago??? Back like a bad horror movie??? I would love to know if anyone has experienced that panicky, everything is huge, the world is ending kinda feeling at bed time or just when drifting off. Maybe there’s an answer to my current PD that lies in the past. Your thoughts would be wonderful!! Aside from my parents knowing, this is the first time I’ve ever mentioned this to a soul. -thanks Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (me sleeping no doubt)

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Afraid to sleep (long reply)

admin — Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:00:00 +0000

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Well, some of the things I’ve done to get sleep: 1. Sleep in the closet. (Which I’ve already mentioned.) 2. Sleep during a time of day when I wasn’t scared. (Not terribly practical for someone with a full time job or family.) 3. Sleep in a different room. 4. Face my bed in a different direction. (Don’t laugh…it works!) 5. Sleep in my car…either at my house, or driving someplace where I felt safe and parking. 6. Sleep with a friend—no sex!—who knows about the night terror. 7. Bells on the doors so I could hear if someone came in. 8. Untuck the top sheet from my bed so I didn’t feel trapped in the bed. (This one has been the most helpful and I still do it to this day.) 9. Sleep with socks and mittens on. 10. New blankets. (Surprisingly, I was still sleeping with the blankets that were on my bed as a child!) 11. White noise. I use a fan to cover all the little noises of my neighborhood, the refrigerator and freezer cycling, and the house creaking. 12. Pajamas, rather than a shirt or nightie. 13. Move my bed into a corner so I could sleep against the wall, or sleep on the floor, between the bed and wall. (especially when I was in the hospital.) It helped me the most when I could identify why or what I was afraid of, then doing whatever was necessary to make myself feel like I had some control. I didn’t care what anyone else thought about my preparations. I also had to pay attention to the smells in my room at night. I got rid of my polyester pillows that were holding smells that triggered me. I took everything out of my house that had lavender in it. This is my list right off the top of my head. I don’t claim any of this will work for anyone else. It’s just what I had to do for myself. I hope it helps you start thinking about your own "sleep safety". Risa Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons because you are crunchy and you taste good with ketchup.

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Hey, Thanks! I know the post wasn’t addressed to me, but you did a small miracle with it. At least I know that I’m not the only one who does some of those things. Of course, I have one other that isn’t practical for most people, but it helps to know about the others! Thanks again, Mike "Dulce bellum inexpertis." (Sweet is war to those who have never experienced it." -Latin proverb

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The First Heart-Break

admin — Sun, 30 Apr 2000 00:00:00 +0000

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I can’t remember how long it has been going on. I am in my bed now trying to sleep and escape them. I don’t want any part of their madness.. "Go away, I don’t want to hear you any more"

Troll, this sounds like a reoccurring night terror for you. I take it this stems from a real incident from childhood. I am sorry if I missed the explanation but I am trying to put this into something I can understand. I don’t remember when mom and Mandy invaded my room and they are sitting on my bed and I am between them crying.

I am wondering if they came into your bedroom at night or in the morning. I would find it intimidating to have two people that close and trying to convince me of something. Dad is here now too the last invader all in my private space where I came to escape them.

You seem to have been hunted down and when your father came with your mother into your room you felt like there was no place left to feel safe and alone. Everyone needs a "Please Knock" sign on their bedroom door. I did not go in to my children’s bedrooms without permission…..as they got older. And I cannot escape …yes I can yes I can Dad: "So there is two of them for you right now" I don’t really know what he meant but I know how I interpretted it.

I don’t understand this at all. How did you interpret your Dad’s statement? And I started to scream …The first heart-break occurred and my family was gone now. I had left them in that moment. I abandoned my mother and sister inside myself I stopped loving them in that moment because I could no longer take it.

In other words you shut down and stopped feeling because the pain was so intense and you needed to protect yourself. What was it that led you to this point? I wrote that night "That rats are the first to leave a sinking ship"

Did you feel that your were a rat or that your mother and sisters abandoned you? I walked the streets alone thru the early morning. I saw some skunks go by and that was something nice for me at least.

How old were you when you were out walking the streets all night? I found a tree I knew where someone had built a platform up high. I climbed in and spent the night there. It was late autumn or early winter and had rained all night. I was saturated and shivering in the morning.

Isn’t it interesting that we will put up with the terrible conditions to our physical well-being, just to escape the horror of our emotional life. I went to a girls home. Later I got a call from Mom asking to come home. Dad was "flipping out" and something bad would happen if I did not return. I returned home .. .but really I never did. I have been completely alone except for Rocky ever since.

So you had managed to stay cut off from them and refused to let them enter into your inner world after you went home? Who is Rocky? I am sorry if you answered all this before, but I missed it and I want to understand what you are saying. "The less doubler I get, the more me-er I become"

I know that I should understand this, but what are you saying? Sorry if I didn’t get in on what you may have said earlier, I hope you don’t mind explaining. Blessings and concern, Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – AngryTroll

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I can’t remember how long it has been going on. I am in my bed now trying to sleep and escape them. I don’t want any part of their madness.. "Go away, I don’t want to hear you any more" I don’t remember when mom and Mandy invaded my room and they are sitting on my bed and I am between them crying. Dad is here now too the last invader all in my private space where I came to escape them. And I cannot escape …yes I can yes I can Dad: "So there is two of them for you right now" I don’t really know what he meant but I know how I interpretted it. And I started to scream …The first heart-break occurred and my family was gone now. I had left them in that moment. I abandoned my mother and sister inside myself I stopped loving them in that moment because I could no longer take it. I wrote that night "That rats are the first to leave a sinking ship" I walked the streets alone thru the early morning. I saw some skunks go by and that was something nice for me at least. I found a tree I knew where someone had built a platform up high. I climbed in and spent the night there. It was late autumn or early winter and had rained all night. I was saturated and shivering in the morning. I went to a girls home. Later I got a call from Mom asking to come home. Dad was "flipping out" and something bad would happen if I did not return. I returned home .. .but really I never did. I have been completely alone except for Rocky ever since. — "The less doubler I get, the more me-er I become" AngryTroll

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Night terrors

admin — Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

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Homeopathy is practiced by medical doctors all over the world. Studies verifying its effectiveness have been published in peer reviewed journals, including the Journal of the American Medical Association. You can find them with your search engine. If you want serious dialogue, that’s fine. But first stop the name calling. Sincerely Alanheal . news:phla.announce

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Alanheal wrote: > Homeopathy is practiced by medical doctors all over the world. Studies > verifying its effectiveness have been published in peer reviewed journals, > including the Journal of the American Medical Association. You can find them > with your search engine. > If you want serious dialogue, that’s fine. But first stop the name calling. > Sincerely > Alanheal > . > news:phla.announce

It was found with a search engine that you are a used car salesman. I don’t and not very many people do trust used car salesmen, and you are no ezxception. We don’t want serious dialog. We just want you to stop anoying us on this newsgroup. PERIOD Laurel Vincent

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I have been having night terrors for as long as I can remember,but I am afraid to seek help cause these doctors are so quick to put you into Antipsychotic meds,what should I do?Pls, Help

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Night terrors are not a symptom of a psychotic disorder and I doubt a competent sleep specialist would put you on antipsychotic medication for them. However, they do need to be distinguished from nightmares, sleep panic attacks, and nocturnal flashbacks–none of which indicate a need for antipsychotics either. On the other hand, if one has a preexisting diagnosis of a psychotic disorder on the basis of other symptoms, like waking hallucinations and delusions, one is in danger of receiving antipsychotics for anything one complains about. If a psychiatrist seemed to use antipsychotics in such an indiscriminate way, I might think to look for another one, but I wouldn’t prejudge that every doctor would be so lax.

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In article <19971118050100.AAA11…@ladder01.news.aol.com>, ten…@aol.com (Teng13) writes: >I have been having night terrors for as long as I can remember,but I am >afraid > to seek help cause these doctors are so quick to put you into Antipsychotic > meds,what should I do?Pls, Help

Night terrors arise out of stages 3 + 4 sleep (delta sleep). Nightmares arise out of stage REM sleep. It’s important to know the difference, because the treatment options are different for them. simplified chart follows: ____________________________________________________________ Night terrors Nightmares Sleep stages 3,4 Sleep stage REM Usually no memory of event Memory of dream EEG recording usually has EEG recording unchanged from mixture of delta waves and any other stage REM (‘good’ dreams alpha waves record just like ‘bad’ dreams ____________________________________________________________ Why you need to consult a sleep doctor: To sort out this kind of problem requires expertise in sleep. Among the possibilities: 1. These are not night terrors, but nightmares. 2. Various sleep disorders can cause arousal from sleep, and night terrors is a phenomenon strongly associated with arousal from stages 3/4 (delta) sleep, so address the underlying sleep disorder and ……. Yes, you might need a sleep study. Yes, your sleep doctor may prescribe medication. Yes, there might be a sleep disorder identified, with recommendations for appropriate treatment. IMNSHO, identifying and treating sleep disorders are ‘good’ things. Personal note on dealing with physicians: there are a _lot_ of physicians who are willing to discuss treatment options, and are not threatened by a patient who is actively participating in deciding what options are appropriate. The best physicians, IMHO, are those who lay out the diagnosis, therapy options and consequences of therapy vs non-therapy. Such physicians have very few _non-compliant_ patients, I have observed. Note on medications: There are many medications out there – please don’t be afraid because one prescribed may be identified as "anti-psychotic". A couple of examples from the sleep community: Klonopin (clonazepam) – is usually identified as an "anti-epileptic", but it turns out, it has a pretty good track record helping people with sleep movement disorders (which are _not_ epileptic). Tricyclic medications ( protriptyline, clomipramine, etc.) – identified as "anti-depressants", but they are commonly used to alleviate some symptoms of narcolepsy (people with narcolepsy are _not_ necessarily depressed). Please seek help in the medical community – and let us know how it goes. Nita, an RPSGT _________________________________ Therefore, we do not sleep, as do others. Let us keep watch, and stay sober. I Thessalonians 5:6

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My fifteen year old has night terrors. His GP has him on tranquilizers (which I never know when he’s going to have one, since he has them very infrequently). He had a horrible one last night tho. Any suggestions? What has worked for you? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= e-mail: dosb…@yahoo.com Thought of the day: I’m Not A Brat! I’M NOT! I’M NOT! I’M NOT!

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>My fifteen year old has night terrors. His GP has him on >tranquilizers (which I never know when he’s going to have one, since >he has them very infrequently). He had a horrible one last night tho. >Any suggestions? >What has worked for you? >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

First of all here is a web site that may be of help: http://www.nightterrors.org/ I have suffered from this ailment, called Pavor Nocturnus, for 17 years. Feel free to email me if you have specific questions. I take Paxil, which helps ALOT. There are also other things that are thought to contribute to it, i.e. being overtired when you go to bed, stress, etc. Check out the site and the posts on the message board. Good luck. Cynthia It is impossible for anyone to begin to learn what he believes he already knows. . Epictetus (c.a.d. 55-c135)

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Thank you very much. Amy emtincogn…@aol.comnospam (Cynthia) wrote: >>First of all here is a web site that may be of help: >>http://www.nightterrors.org/ >>I have suffered from this ailment, called Pavor Nocturnus, for 17 years. Feel >>free to email me if you have specific questions.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= e-mail: dosb…@yahoo.com Thought of the day: Constant change is here to stay.

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Cynthia wrote: > Feel free to email me if you have specific questions.

Hey, how am I going to collect "frequently asked questions" about Night Terrors if you take the questions privately, huh? — Magesteff - "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."-Albert Einstein ——————————————————– Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II,