Weak bladder and OSA?
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Damn it, Mike, I can’t find a date on that report. When are you going to learn? On this NG, you must provide that kind of info. HAR HAR HAR Did I miss it? Wouldn’t be the first time <no grin>. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lori&Mike wrote: > A breakthrough study has found that sleep apnea, a common but serious sleep > disorder, is the root cause of nocturia, or getting up frequently during the > night to urinate. http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/news/sa_Urination.htm And > now I have to pee 
Mike > "Cristy" <cristydar…@prodigy.net> wrote in message > news:RTHf8.15599$QV6.2032884839@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… > > The bladder is not necessarily weaker but your arousal volume is greater. > > You are probably waking up due to a sleep disorder then you decide you > need > > to go to the bathroom. If you were to get treated you probably would find > > the late night trips would decrease.. > > Cristy > > rob mcgee <rmc…@foxberry.net> wrote in message > > news:3c798456_3@corp.newsgroups.com… > > > that makes sense, I have an "Undiagnosed" sleep disorder, and I get up > at > > a > > > minimum of once a night , usually twice or more. > > > — > > > Rob McGee > > > "Richard Evans" <info…@mindspring.com> wrote in message > > > news:3c77add0.208479919@news.mindspring.com… > > > > "Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > > >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak > > > > >bladder. > > > > Before I was diagnosed, I had to get up every hour to pee. Frequency > > > > was much reduced on the CPAP. As explained by my doctor, deep sleep > > > > suppresses urine production. Wihtout deep sleep, your bladder keeps > > > > filling up. > > > > Dick Evans > > > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > > > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Sorry Norm, had to take a wicked pee This is at the bottom of the first paragraph, "study was published in the December 1999 issue of the journal Ostomy/Wound Management." Is that a magazine, brother? Mike "NormC" <no…@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3C7FC64E.F4BC2546@socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Damn it, Mike, I can’t find a date on that report. When are you going to learn? On this > NG, you must provide that kind of info. HAR HAR HAR > Did I miss it? Wouldn’t be the first time <no grin>. > Lori&Mike wrote: > > A breakthrough study has found that sleep apnea, a common but serious sleep > > disorder, is the root cause of nocturia, or getting up frequently during the > > night to urinate. http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/news/sa_Urination.htm And > > now I have to pee Mike > > "Cristy" <cristydar…@prodigy.net> wrote in message > > news:RTHf8.15599$QV6.2032884839@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… > > > The bladder is not necessarily weaker but your arousal volume is greater. > > > You are probably waking up due to a sleep disorder then you decide you > > need > > > to go to the bathroom. If you were to get treated you probably would find > > > the late night trips would decrease.. > > > Cristy > > > rob mcgee <rmc…@foxberry.net> wrote in message > > > news:3c798456_3@corp.newsgroups.com… > > > > that makes sense, I have an "Undiagnosed" sleep disorder, and I get up > > at > > > a > > > > minimum of once a night , usually twice or more. > > > > — > > > > Rob McGee > > > > "Richard Evans" <info…@mindspring.com> wrote in message > > > > news:3c77add0.208479919@news.mindspring.com… > > > > > "Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > > > >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak > > > > > >bladder. > > > > > Before I was diagnosed, I had to get up every hour to pee. Frequency > > > > > was much reduced on the CPAP. As explained by my doctor, deep sleep > > > > > suppresses urine production. Wihtout deep sleep, your bladder keeps > > > > > filling up. > > > > > Dick Evans > > > > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > > > > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > > > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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OK. Great! Acceptable to me as recent vintage. Anyone care to guess why-in-the-world it was published in The Journal of Ostomy/Wound Management? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lori&Mike wrote: > Sorry Norm, had to take a wicked pee This is at the bottom of the first > paragraph, "study was published in the December 1999 issue of the journal > Ostomy/Wound Management." Is that a magazine, brother? Mike > "NormC" <no…@socal.rr.com> wrote in message > news:3C7FC64E.F4BC2546@socal.rr.com… > > Damn it, Mike, I can’t find a date on that report. When are you going to > learn? On this > > NG, you must provide that kind of info. HAR HAR HAR > > Did I miss it? Wouldn’t be the first time <no grin>. > > Lori&Mike wrote: > > > A breakthrough study has found that sleep apnea, a common but serious > sleep > > > disorder, is the root cause of nocturia, or getting up frequently during > the > > > night to urinate. http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/news/sa_Urination.htm > And > > > now I have to pee Mike > > > "Cristy" <cristydar…@prodigy.net> wrote in message > > > news:RTHf8.15599$QV6.2032884839@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… > > > > The bladder is not necessarily weaker but your arousal volume is > greater. > > > > You are probably waking up due to a sleep disorder then you decide you > > > need > > > > to go to the bathroom. If you were to get treated you probably would > find > > > > the late night trips would decrease.. > > > > Cristy > > > > rob mcgee <rmc…@foxberry.net> wrote in message > > > > news:3c798456_3@corp.newsgroups.com… > > > > > that makes sense, I have an "Undiagnosed" sleep disorder, and I get > up > > > at > > > > a > > > > > minimum of once a night , usually twice or more. > > > > > — > > > > > Rob McGee > > > > > "Richard Evans" <info…@mindspring.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:3c77add0.208479919@news.mindspring.com… > > > > > > "Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > > > > >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a > weak > > > > > > >bladder. > > > > > > Before I was diagnosed, I had to get up every hour to pee. > Frequency > > > > > > was much reduced on the CPAP. As explained by my doctor, deep > sleep > > > > > > suppresses urine production. Wihtout deep sleep, your bladder > keeps > > > > > > filling up. > > > > > > Dick Evans > > > > > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > > > > > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > > > > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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A breakthrough study has found that sleep apnea, a common but serious sleep disorder, is the root cause of nocturia, or getting up frequently during the night to urinate. http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/news/sa_Urination.htm And now I have to pee Mike "Cristy" <cristydar…@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:RTHf8.15599$QV6.2032884839@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The bladder is not necessarily weaker but your arousal volume is greater. > You are probably waking up due to a sleep disorder then you decide you need > to go to the bathroom. If you were to get treated you probably would find > the late night trips would decrease.. > Cristy > rob mcgee <rmc…@foxberry.net> wrote in message > news:3c798456_3@corp.newsgroups.com… > > that makes sense, I have an "Undiagnosed" sleep disorder, and I get up at > a > > minimum of once a night , usually twice or more. > > — > > Rob McGee > > "Richard Evans" <info…@mindspring.com> wrote in message > > news:3c77add0.208479919@news.mindspring.com… > > > "Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak > > > >bladder. > > > Before I was diagnosed, I had to get up every hour to pee. Frequency > > > was much reduced on the CPAP. As explained by my doctor, deep sleep > > > suppresses urine production. Wihtout deep sleep, your bladder keeps > > > filling up. > > > Dick Evans > > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Roy Gillett wrote: > Something’s puzzling me about OSA. According to everything I’ve read about > it, one of the symptoms is waking up in the middle of the night to go to the > bathroom. In fact, the specialist I saw asked about that. I understand that > in extreme cases it can manifest as bedwetting. Well, that’s not happened to > me in over forty years, but I do always get up for a leak at around 4am. > (Apparently I don’t have full OSA but I do display enough symptoms to > recommend CPAP therapy, which I just started.) > But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak > bladder.To the innocent observer it looks as if getting up for a leak is a > function of drinking too much (water) during the evening. What’s the > connenection between OSA and night time leaks? And is it supposed to stop > now I’m on CPAP?
Please see my post to Carol, and then add to that, if you are a male, it could be an enlarged prostate and not apnea that causes the problem. That’s what I was originally diagnosed with. Initially on CPAP, it went away. Then it came back some. To try to zero in on the cause I went to a urologist and had an ultrasound of my prostate. Doc said I had a prostate of a 20 year old (I’m 67). He concluded that, from his POV, it was my bladder resulting from age and diabetes. When I told him about what I posted to Carol, he admitted he knew nothing about the effect of apnea. HTH
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that makes sense, I have an "Undiagnosed" sleep disorder, and I get up at a minimum of once a night , usually twice or more. — Rob McGee "Richard Evans" <info…@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3c77add0.208479919@news.mindspring.com… > "Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: > >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak > >bladder. > Before I was diagnosed, I had to get up every hour to pee. Frequency > was much reduced on the CPAP. As explained by my doctor, deep sleep > suppresses urine production. Wihtout deep sleep, your bladder keeps > filling up. > Dick Evans
—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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The bladder is not necessarily weaker but your arousal volume is greater. You are probably waking up due to a sleep disorder then you decide you need to go to the bathroom. If you were to get treated you probably would find the late night trips would decrease.. Cristy rob mcgee <rmc…@foxberry.net> wrote in message
news:3c798456_3@corp.newsgroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> that makes sense, I have an "Undiagnosed" sleep disorder, and I get up at a > minimum of once a night , usually twice or more. > — > Rob McGee > "Richard Evans" <info…@mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:3c77add0.208479919@news.mindspring.com… > > "Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: > > >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak > > >bladder. > > Before I was diagnosed, I had to get up every hour to pee. Frequency > > was much reduced on the CPAP. As explained by my doctor, deep sleep > > suppresses urine production. Wihtout deep sleep, your bladder keeps > > filling up. > > Dick Evans > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Roy Gillett wrote: > What’s the > connenection between OSA and night time leaks? And is it supposed to stop > now I’m on CPAP?
Everyone seems to have a different explanation…the one I was given (and it does seem reasonable to me) is that without CPAP, those of us with sleep apnea are sleeping lightly and therefore are more likely to notice bladder fullness long before we would if we were sleeping deeply. I notice that now I’ll occasionally rouse slightly and may think about getting up to go to the bathroom, but usually, I’ll fall right back asleep and sleep several more hours before finally getting up to go to the bathroom. Before CPAP, if I wakened and thought about going to the bathroom, I would always end up going because I simply wouldn’t get back to sleep enough to ignore the "need." Carol P.
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Carol Pettit wrote: > Roy Gillett wrote: > > What’s the > > connenection between OSA and night time leaks? And is it supposed to stop > > now I’m on CPAP? > Everyone seems to have a different explanation…the one I was given > (and it does seem reasonable to me) is that without CPAP, those of us > with sleep apnea are sleeping lightly and therefore are more likely to > notice bladder fullness long before we would if we were sleeping deeply.
In the last year someone put a link up to a medical article explaining this ‘phenomenon’, and it was pretty much as you describe above!! Just because one has the urge to urinate, doesn’t mean you must. How many times, when you are awake, do you get the urge when you are not near a toilet? What do you do? You control it until you get to a toilet. With quality (normal?) sleep, the urge will not be recognized by the body/mind. so it will wait, just as when you are awake and wait. However, when you don’t get quality sleep, an awakening presents the urge, which is acted upon at that time for more than one reason. The first is that the toilet is near by. No need to wait. And if you did try to wait, and are not on xPAP, you will continue to have the urge because of failure to achieve deep enough sleep. If you are using xPAP, it may take you long enough to return to sleep that the urge becomes overwhelming. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I notice that now I’ll occasionally rouse slightly and may think about > getting up to go to the bathroom, but usually, I’ll fall right back > asleep and sleep several more hours before finally getting up to go to > the bathroom. Before CPAP, if I wakened and thought about going to the > bathroom, I would always end up going because I simply wouldn’t get back > to sleep enough to ignore the "need." > Carol P.
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"Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: >Something’s puzzling me about OSA. According to everything I’ve read about >it, one of the symptoms is waking up in the middle of the night to go to the >bathroom. In fact, the specialist I saw asked about that. I understand that >in extreme cases it can manifest as bedwetting. Well, that’s not happened to >me in over forty years, but I do always get up for a leak at around 4am.
One trip per night doesn’t really qualify as nocturia, few people seem to sleep straight through without a single bathroom run. >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak >bladder.To the innocent observer it looks as if getting up for a leak is a >function of drinking too much (water) during the evening. What’s the >connenection between OSA and night time leaks?
An over-stressed heart releases a protein that the brain assumes is cause by fluid overload. http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/news/sa_Urination.htm >And is it supposed to stop now I’m on CPAP?
Hard to tell. Once the apnea’s treated, you’re back to bladder capacity and evening fluid consumption. Please let us know if makes any difference in your case. Tom
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:25:11 +0000 (UTC), "Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak >bladder.To the innocent observer it looks as if getting up for a leak is a >function of drinking too much (water) during the evening. What’s the >connenection between OSA and night time leaks?
From what I’ve heard, it’s because each event is accompanied by a small amount of diuretic hormone. I was on a calcium channel blocker plus an A2A for my blood pressure, and they had to add a diuretic to the mix to prevent me from getting puffy ankles post-CPAP.
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Something’s puzzling me about OSA. According to everything I’ve read about it, one of the symptoms is waking up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom. In fact, the specialist I saw asked about that. I understand that in extreme cases it can manifest as bedwetting. Well, that’s not happened to me in over forty years, but I do always get up for a leak at around 4am. (Apparently I don’t have full OSA but I do display enough symptoms to recommend CPAP therapy, which I just started.) But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak bladder.To the innocent observer it looks as if getting up for a leak is a function of drinking too much (water) during the evening. What’s the connenection between OSA and night time leaks? And is it supposed to stop now I’m on CPAP?
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"Roy Gillett" <royegill…@btinternet.com> wrote: >But what I don’t understand is why a sleep disorder manifests a weak >bladder.
Before I was diagnosed, I had to get up every hour to pee. Frequency was much reduced on the CPAP. As explained by my doctor, deep sleep suppresses urine production. Wihtout deep sleep, your bladder keeps filling up. Dick Evans
