How does 20 percent of the population of the world get away with consuming 80 percent of the world's resources and still manage to sleep at night
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You were lied to Kelly. The same predictions have been going on for over 200 years. Strangely there is more food and a higher standard of living during a time we should all be dead. Technology, yes the same thing the rant against while teaching you this crap, has always come through to save mankind. Of course there has always been resistance to the technology, just as there is today. Expand your sources of information and question what they tell you. You’re in a closed environment where decent is not allowed. > Pizza, beer…how will we feed the world? We can start by wasting less > Kelly Moran is a sophomore in ACES. She can be reached at
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 21:44:45 GMT, Victor Radin <vradinNOS…@NOSPAMameritech.net> wrote: >And as a total aside- the quoting of the text of her article was in >direct violation of Daily Illini copyright and fair use laws.
yawn…afraid not http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html Sec. 107. – Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include – (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; (2) the nature of the copyrighted work; (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 22:21:13 +0100, jake <inva…@invalid.com> alt.support.sleep-disorder : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:34:04 GMT, Victor Radin ><vradinNOS…@NOSPAMameritech.net> wrote: >>In order to properly trace the poster’s ID, you need NOT the NNTP host, >>but the ORIGINATING IP address, which for the most part, does NOT appear >>in the headers of usenet articles, but does in e-mail. >>Vic >>uber-geek and former network admin who knows from such things. >really …? >care to estimate the odds of two users in the same geographic area >posting to the same newsgroup from Canoga Park CA >on the same newsserver.. using Mozilla..the same newsreader..having >the same operating system..etc..etc.. >Pepe Lemoco >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) >Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 >NormC >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) >Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 >odd how "Pepe" has dissapeared don’t you think.. >like he never existed..which of course he didn’t
LOL!
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:34:04 GMT, Victor Radin <vradinNOS…@NOSPAMameritech.net> wrote: >In order to properly trace the poster’s ID, you need NOT the NNTP host, >but the ORIGINATING IP address, which for the most part, does NOT appear >in the headers of usenet articles, but does in e-mail. >Vic >uber-geek and former network admin who knows from such things.
really …? care to estimate the odds of two users in the same geographic area posting to the same newsgroup from Canoga Park CA on the same newsserver.. using Mozilla..the same newsreader..having the same operating system..etc..etc.. Pepe Lemoco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 NormC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 odd how "Pepe" has dissapeared don’t you think.. like he never existed..which of course he didn’t
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 16:34:04 GMT, Victor Radin <vradinNOS…@NOSPAMameritech.net> alt.support.sleep-disorder : >Hey Norm… I dunno, I’m heading out of town for a week and won’t see >any replies after tonight. Besides, I really and honestly don’t give a >flying rat’s a$$ WHAT some anonymous, faceless, and ignorant speck of >flea poop on the buttocks of aforementioned flying rat says about me.
So why do you like Norm C AKA Pee Pee AKA…
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 02:00:06 +1000, "Tal" <sleepbethdisord…@softhome.net> wrote: >GROW UP YOU FOOL – you’re the biggest idiot i’ve ever come across
you have come across nothing but words on your screen down under.. > cause you >can’t seem to realise we all know who you are!
you clearly do not…whoever you imagine your "we " to be… > I don’t care what anyone >else does, it’s YOU that’s the problem here…
did someone die and make you the moderator of a public unmoderated group..? Thats what it is you know.. and if people with sleep disorders wish to post to it ..share support..meet fellow suffers …they will whether you like them or not.. you petty vindictive sheila.. It takes far more to create a moderated group with you in charge than simply copying a FAQ to a private webpage..and altering it at will to suit your petty personal designs.. If you want a moderated group go to alt.config and propose it.. don’t be too suprised if they tell you you are totally and utterly unsuitable,petty and personal though.. >…go away…..leave us alone…..go bother someone else…we don’t want you here – get it????????
as long as you are fomenting pack attacks on people with sleep disorders who do not accept your spurious authority ..that is unlikely If by we you mean your dubious friends and their sockpuppets ..go tell it to the kangaroos. This is not your private club ..never was never will be .. you are one poster to an unmoderated newsgroup amongst millions.. get used to it.. you destroyed the last shred of your credibility when you doctored your private webpage..
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GROW UP YOU FOOL – you’re the biggest idiot i’ve ever come across cause you can’t seem to realise we all know who you are! I don’t care what anyone else does, it’s YOU that’s the problem here……go away…..leave us a lone…..go bother someone else…we don’t want you here – get it????????
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In article <3F7A2404.20…@socal.rr.com>, no…@socal.rr.com says… > Victor Radin wrote: > > In article <3F79CDCE.9090…@socal.rr.com>, no…@socal.rr.com says… > >>Who is Keiiy Moran? What is ACES? > Thanks, Vic. I found those same things by GOOGLEing, which told > me nothing. So that’s why I asked the OP. At least this time, > she will have to call you the control freak, not me <loflmao>. > Can ya take it?
Hey Norm… I dunno, I’m heading out of town for a week and won’t see any replies after tonight. Besides, I really and honestly don’t give a flying rat’s a$$ WHAT some anonymous, faceless, and ignorant speck of flea poop on the buttocks of aforementioned flying rat says about me. And (to bring this back to topic) since I’ve been sleeping so well lately, I have enough energy to do something much more useful with my time than worry about being called names. Oh, BTW… for the "oh-so-smart" person who thinks that a poster can be traced by their NNTP host- proves the old cliche that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The NNTP host mentioned as "proof" that Norm is two people is incorrect. That host is used by EVERY RoadRunner client in a particular geographic area. In order to properly trace the poster’s ID, you need NOT the NNTP host, but the ORIGINATING IP address, which for the most part, does NOT appear in the headers of usenet articles, but does in e-mail. Vic uber-geek and former network admin who knows from such things.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:45:44 GMT, NormC <no…@socal.rr.com> wrote: >Xref: news alt.support.sleep-disorder:133137 >Path: sjc72.webusenet.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!chi1.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.c om!peer02.cox.net!cox.net!news-server.columbus.rr.com!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!ne ws2.kc.rr.com!twister.socal.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail >Message-ID: <3F7A2404.20…@socal.rr.com> >From: NormC <no…@socal.rr.com> >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 >X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Newsgroups: alt.support.sleep-disorder >Subject: Re: How does 20 percent of the population of the world get away with > consuming 80 percent of the world’s resources and still manage to sleep at > night >References: <v9ejnvkabunindk92ttvb681ue4239b…@4ax.com> <3F79CDCE.9090…@socal.rr.com> <MPG.19e3b5c72467b150989…@news.chi.sbcglobal.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Lines: 34 >Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:45:44 GMT >NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.27.185.209 >X-Complaints-To: ab…@rr.com >X-Trace: twister.socal.rr.com 1064969144 66.27.185.209 (Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:45:44 PDT) >NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:45:44 PDT >Organization: RoadRunner – West > At least this time, >she will have to call you the control freak, not me <loflmao>.
give it a rest…whatever anybody thinks it is a matter of documented public record that you are a control freak and a hypocrite.. what?..no sockpuppets to back up your personal attacks today NormC or should I say Pepe Lemoco? > But there is one person posting >here with multiple ids,
sure there is Norm and it is YOU! can you spell hypocrite? knew you could Xref: news alt.support.sleep-disorder:132819 Path: news.astraweb.com!news-small.astraweb.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagato r2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone.kc.rr.c om!cyclone2.kc.rr.com!news2.kc.rr.com!twister.socal.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750! not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F6F409E.5050203@netscape.net> From: Pepe Lemoco <p…@netscape.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.support.sleep-disorder Subject: Re: nocturnal myoclonus or just weird? References: <f2a24e6d.0308190154.298bb…@posting.google.com> <17…@www.tosleep.com> <bk6pot$ptrn…@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de> <vjdemvo0qqtsuq6mtkgccpjqpn1h5m0…@4ax.com> <3F6939A2.3000…@comcast.net> <ro5imv41sp8k09dv9dl3134o71evpfl…@4ax.com> <3F6AB1FA.7090…@comcast.net> <dvulmvg2f9fie7dhkf2au4j1jee8v7e…@4ax.com> <9m9smvomg34kl4r6ets0d419vrak4pf…@4ax.com> <3F6EF103.9060…@comcast.net> <0c5umvc5dvijdhvpi6o8c4i73a4tacc…@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 70 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:37:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.27.185.209 X-Complaints-To: ab…@rr.com X-Trace: twister.socal.rr.com 1064255848 66.27.185.209 (Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:37:28 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:37:28 PDT Organization: RoadRunner – West >Trying to make the innocent and the newbies think that there are >many people who agree with you, by posting under many, many >different ids is really sick, but also quite amusing. It give us >a picture of your reality, or rather lack thereof.
yeah.. you got that one right NormC/PepeLemoco and whatever other nyms you post lies and threats under.. As Alex kindly pointed out they all come out with NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.27.185.209 You are BUSTED..get used to it..
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Victor Radin wrote: > In article <3F79CDCE.9090…@socal.rr.com>, no…@socal.rr.com says… >>Who is Keiiy Moran? What is ACES? > As found with a google search: Kelly Moran (male) is either a 2-time > National Bike Racing champion, and ACES refers to a particular speedway > or more likely based on the writing and content Kelly Moran is a > sophomore female from the University of Illinois who writes a column for > the Daily Illinini. In reality, Kelly is now a Junior at U of I, still > writing for the Daily. > As to the content- the original message was not sleep related, but > rather little Kelly’s view of the world as viewed from the eyes of a > young adult(?) at one of the biggest party schools in the state. > Perhaps she would do better to stick to her usual drink, party, have fun > writing and leave the ‘messages’ to the editorial staff. > And as a total aside- the quoting of the text of her article was in > direct violation of Daily Illini copyright and fair use laws. > Vic
Thanks, Vic. I found those same things by GOOGLEing, which told me nothing. So that’s why I asked the OP. At least this time, she will have to call you the control freak, not me <loflmao>. Can ya take it?
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In article <3F79CDCE.9090…@socal.rr.com>, no…@socal.rr.com says… > Who is Keiiy Moran? What is ACES?
As found with a google search: Kelly Moran (male) is either a 2-time National Bike Racing champion, and ACES refers to a particular speedway or more likely based on the writing and content Kelly Moran is a sophomore female from the University of Illinois who writes a column for the Daily Illinini. In reality, Kelly is now a Junior at U of I, still writing for the Daily. As to the content- the original message was not sleep related, but rather little Kelly’s view of the world as viewed from the eyes of a young adult(?) at one of the biggest party schools in the state. Perhaps she would do better to stick to her usual drink, party, have fun writing and leave the ‘messages’ to the editorial staff. And as a total aside- the quoting of the text of her article was in direct violation of Daily Illini copyright and fair use laws. Vic
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Correction: Kiily shoud be Kelly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NormC wrote: > Who is Keiiy Moran? What is ACES? > mel…@eightdollarfeathers.zyx wrote: >> Pizza, beer…how will we feed the world? We can start by wasting less >> ————————————————————————— —– >> by Kelly Moran >> It’s social justice guilt time! Today’s topic: the world’s unequal >> distribution of wealth. How does >> 20 percent of the population of the world get away with consuming 80 >> percent of the world’s >> resources and still manage to sleep at night? >> So, pack your bags, we’re going on a guilt trip. We, the >> industrialized nation that we are, are >> among that lucky, glutinous 20 percent. There are other countries in >> there, too
