CPAP for sale
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David Ross (ros…@acm.org) wrote: : Christian Tice wrote:
: > : > wam…@aol.com wrote:
: > : I would encourage people with unneeded CPAP machines to list them on this : > : board. (where else). Any legal issues can be worked out by the : > : individuals involved. This board doesn’t need to try to be a policeman, : > : but it can help connect sources and needs. : > : > Good idea. Seems like there’s always someone that feels the need to play : > net cop. : > — : However, most insurance reimburses a prescribed CPAP bought from a medical : supply house but will not reimburse a private-party purchase with or without a : prescription. Further, an improperly adjusted CPAP can be as dangerouse as : continuing to sleep without one. : I would not buy a prescription drug from an individual over the Internet. Why : should I risk my health buying a prescription medical device that way? True. Most insurance companies do pay up to 80% or so for medical devices. But what if the person doesn’t have insurance but has a prescription for a CPAP? Are you suggesting that they go without? If a person has been properly diagnosed with sleep apnea, has had a sleep study resulting in a prescription for a CPAP, buys a CPAP from a private party, and has a sleep tech check the setting (they do it for free all the time at the AWAKE meetings) then what’s the big deal? As for your last comment, no one is asking YOU to buy a prescription drug or a CPAP over the net? So why should you care if someone else does? —
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On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 02:39:56 GMT, perhaps being inspired by the gravitational field of the moon, dr…@mail.kdcol.com (Jim), wrote: >Email me if interested. CPAP is hardly used, excellent condition, in >Salt Lake area (or could ship COD). Price will be less than half that >of a new one. cmH20 settings can be manually adjusted. Ramping >feature.
Sorry, but I sold the machine today to a local person. I know that here in Utah, there is a non-profit organization called Utah Assisted Technology. They act as a "classified ads" for people looking for durable medical equipment that may be used, or for sale at a reduced price. For instance, someone who needs to personally purchase a CPAP because they have no insurance, etc, can call this organization and see if they have phone numbers of anyone selling a CPAP. Again, this organization is non profit and does not collect fees from either the buyers or sellers. The number for this org here in Utah is 801-333-8824, and even if you don’t live in Utah, they could probably direct you to the equivalent in your state. Jim
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wam…@aol.com wrote:
: I would encourage people with unneeded CPAP machines to list them on this : board. (where else). Any legal issues can be worked out by the : individuals involved. This board doesn’t need to try to be a policeman, : but it can help connect sources and needs. Good idea. Seems like there’s always someone that feels the need to play net cop. —
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Christian Tice wrote: > wam…@aol.com wrote: > : I would encourage people with unneeded CPAP machines to list them on this > : board. (where else). Any legal issues can be worked out by the > : individuals involved. This board doesn’t need to try to be a policeman, > : but it can help connect sources and needs. > Good idea. Seems like there’s always someone that feels the need to play > net cop. > —
However, most insurance reimburses a prescribed CPAP bought from a medical supply house but will not reimburse a private-party purchase with or without a prescription. Further, an improperly adjusted CPAP can be as dangerouse as continuing to sleep without one. I would not buy a prescription drug from an individual over the Internet. Why should I risk my health buying a prescription medical device that way?
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In article <32BC7820.2…@acm.org>, David Ross <ros…@acm.org> writes: >However, most insurance reimburses a prescribed CPAP bought from a medical >supply house but will not reimburse a private-party purchase with or without >a >prescription.
This may be true, but there are millions out there who don’t have insurance and for them something like a used CPAP could be a life saver. Just because you may have insurance, don’t make it any harder on those who are self insured. Also some people may have an older CPAP that they are worried about the reliability of, and would like to have a back up for when theirs fails. > Further, an improperly adjusted CPAP can be as dangerouse as >continuing to sleep without one.
Another way to say this is that an imporperly adjusted CPAP machine does no more harm than sleeping without one. (Sort of the half full or half empty glass). Getting the CPAP machine set properly isn’t all that hard, and is only about half of the expense of the full treatment. So someone who already has a CPAP machine can get treated for about half the price of someone who doesn’t have a machine. And don’t forget that this saves all us money, because the insurance isn’t free, it is just a way to spread out the costs evenly to all the rate payers. Sooner or later it is reflected in higher rates, higher prices on everything, or lower pay or some combination of all three. >I would not buy a prescription drug from an individual over the Internet.
Neither would I becase I have no way of knowing what it really is. However if I was told by a doctor to take 100mg of prescription ZZZ, and I had gotten some 100 mg prescription ZZZ for my wife 3 months ago, and it wasn’t out of date and there was enough, I would tell him not to bother with the prescription, I would take the stuff we already had. The difference being I knew what I had. >Why should I risk my health …
OOPS, missed a logical step here. You imply that you have no way of knowing what you have with a prescription medical device. This isn’t true. You can check the pressure settings in you kitchen sink. (watch out for the splashing) or make a simple manometer. You can get your proper setting from the sleep lab. If you use your head a little you can save yourself a lot of money with just as good results. So if a person uses his head then there is no risk >….buying a prescription medical device that way?
Now that we’ve filled in that missed logical step, and established that for many people there is no risk, then the answer for them is: To save money. However you should be free to do it any way you want and feel comfortable with. I realize that while this stuff seems simple to an old mechanical engineer like me, it could be a little intimidating to an English teacher from New York. But ther are a lot of us old mechanical engineers around, so post those machines if they aren’t being used, I would like a back up when the price is right and I’m sure there are others who have the knowledge and confidence to buy a used machine from a private party, and in the long run it will save us all money. Bill. PS take a look at the thread central sleep apnea for an example of someone who could use a used machine. While you certainly have every right to express your opinion, I hope that what you have said (and a few others) won’t result in somebody keeping their unused CPAP machine off the market when it could save someone’s life.
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I would encourage people with unneeded CPAP machines to list them on this board. (where else). Any legal issues can be worked out by the individuals involved. This board doesn’t need to try to be a policeman, but it can help connect sources and needs.
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"Appropriate" may not be the concept here. I understand that since it is a prescribed device, it is illegal to sell. Same as taking someone else’s prescribed medicine. Jim <dr…@mail.kdcol.com> wrote in article <32af6eb8.10004…@news.kdcol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First of all, let me say that I have the utmost respect for this > group. In all good conscience, and without feeling ethically > compromised, I believe it is entirely appropriate to post a CPAP for > sale in this newsgroup. > I have read dozens of posts from participants who either didn’t have > the medical insurance or the money to follow through with treatment > for obstructive sleep apnea. Note the word "support" in the name of > the group. Support includes helping everyone get treated who needs to > get treated, since universal health care coverage is but a pipe-dream > in this capitalistic, profit-driven, HMO-encroaching, > cost-skyrocketing society. The irony of ironies? That those people > inflicted with sleep apnea have to struggle to earn even a meager > income–and many times at the charity of a compassionate company or > boss. What a paradox. > Email me if interested. CPAP is hardly used, excellent condition, in > Salt Lake area (or could ship COD). Price will be less than half that > of a new one. cmH20 settings can be manually adjusted. Ramping > feature.
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Jim wrote: > First of all, let me say that I have the utmost respect for this > group. In all good conscience, and without feeling ethically > compromised, I believe it is entirely appropriate to post a CPAP for > sale in this newsgroup.
WOW > Email me if interested. CPAP is hardly used, excellent condition, in > Salt Lake area (or could ship COD). Price will be less than half that > of a new one. cmH20 settings can be manually adjusted. Ramping > feature.
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First of all, let me say that I have the utmost respect for this group. In all good conscience, and without feeling ethically compromised, I believe it is entirely appropriate to post a CPAP for sale in this newsgroup. I have read dozens of posts from participants who either didn’t have the medical insurance or the money to follow through with treatment for obstructive sleep apnea. Note the word "support" in the name of the group. Support includes helping everyone get treated who needs to get treated, since universal health care coverage is but a pipe-dream in this capitalistic, profit-driven, HMO-encroaching, cost-skyrocketing society. The irony of ironies? That those people inflicted with sleep apnea have to struggle to earn even a meager income–and many times at the charity of a compassionate company or boss. What a paradox. Email me if interested. CPAP is hardly used, excellent condition, in Salt Lake area (or could ship COD). Price will be less than half that of a new one. cmH20 settings can be manually adjusted. Ramping feature.
