I am falling in love with an insomniac, and I am worried
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:20:37 -0000, "Andrew" <A…@AndyD.com> wrote: >Thanks for the info & link’s very insightful, I was interested to see your >reference to ‘hoover’ as this is the term we use for a vacuum and I always >presumed that this was a UK only term (hoover is a UK company).
Hoover started in Ohio, USA. However, translating "Hoover vacuum cleaner head" from English to French to English (with the quirky AltaVista BABELFISH) results in "Hoover Hoover head." 
Another interesting one: if you "Black and Decker" the home over the weekend, that’s another fine American product.
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"Andrew" <A…@AndyD.com> writes: > Thanks for the info & link’s very insightful, I was interested to see your > reference to ‘hoover’ as this is the term we use for a vacuum and I always > presumed that this was a UK only term (hoover is a UK company).
I thought it was a US brand, but in these days of global economy, it doesn’t really matter where the company’s headquarters are. I know I ran into Hoovers when I tried to sell Kirby vacuum cleaners 25 years ago. In any case, the term hooverhead is not mine, but is common within this group. — Michael Meissner, Red Hat, Inc. (GCC group) PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA Work: meiss…@redhat.com phone: +1 978-486-9304 Non-work: meiss…@the-meissners.org fax: +1 978-692-4482
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 05:49:55 GMT, Michael Meissner <meiss…@redhat.com> wrote: >"Andrew" <A…@AndyD.com> writes: >> Thanks for the info & link’s very insightful, I was interested to see your >> reference to ‘hoover’ as this is the term we use for a vacuum and I always >> presumed that this was a UK only term (hoover is a UK company). >I thought it was a US brand, but in these days of global economy, it doesn’t >really matter where the company’s headquarters are.
Hoover – North Canton, Ohio, USA. Corporate parent: Maytag – Newton, Iowa, USA. Home appliances ("whiteware"), excluding microwave ovens, are made in very close proximity to their end-point of use. It’s because of their combination of low value per pound/cubic foot and largely automated manufacturing. Microwave ovens seem to come in two categories because they’re more like TV sets than traditional whiteware: a) US brands, foreign-made: never established US plants for them b) Foreign brands, US-made: follows traditional whiteware business model (factory close to customer).
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 01:31:10 -0000, "Andrew" <A…@AndyD.com> wrote: >Can I ask what is CPAP? here in the UK we never hear of this (or at least I >haven’t) and most sleep problems are addressed with either an Hypnotic or >Anti-Depressant.
There are multiple sleep problems. If it’s obstructive sleep apnea, CPAP (the simplest variety of what’s called "non-invasive positive pressure ventilation") is the definite treatment. Probably even moreso in the UK than it is in the US. On the other hand, insomnia has a number of possibilities. What you call hypnotics we typically call "tranquilizers." Anti-depressants help some patients (not necessarily depressed ones). Some get drugs typically thought of as anti-psychotics. For some people, a rather sedating antihistamine works well on an occasional basis. Last time I had a problem, I had one dose of temazepam (didn’t have any trouble sleeping since then). My doctor considered and rejected olanzapine at the time… I think it depends on past experience.
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"Michael Meissner" <meiss…@redhat.com> wrote in message
news:sy7kpp3k10.fsf@tiktok.cygnus.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Andrew" <A…@AndyD.com> writes: > > I have had sleep related problems for several years and have tried many meds > > which have all worked for a short while and then become a problem > > themselves, so I have stopped beating myself up about it and just accepted > > that this is how it will be and that I will always feel tired and have less > > energy than others. It’s not an easy thing to come to terms with but when > > you do it makes it a little more bearable whilst still waiting for this > > miracle cure. > > Can I ask what is CPAP? here in the UK we never hear of this (or at least I > > haven’t) and most sleep problems are addressed with either an Hypnotic or > > Anti-Depressant. > It stands for Continuous Positive Airway Pressure, and is used to treat sleep > apnea (autopap and bi-pap are similar to cpap). It basically is a machine that > blows air through a hose to nasal pillows that stick up your nostrils a mask > that fits over your nose (or whole face). Generally within this group, the > name hooverhead is used (hoover is a vacuum cleaner popular in the US, that has > a hose as an attachment to clean drapes and such). Most people (in this group > at least) find the mask/pillows aren’t that bad, especially considering the > benefits of using CPAP. > Here is a good definition of sleep apnea from http://www.sleepapnea.org > (American Sleep Apnea Association): > The Greek word "apnea" literally means "without breath." There are > three types of sleep apnea: obstructive, central, and mixed; of the > three, obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) is the most common. Despite the > difference in the root cause of each type, in all three, people with > untreated sleep apnea stop breathing repeatedly during their sleep, > sometimes hundreds of times during the night and often for a minute or > longer. > Obstructive sleep apnea is caused by a blockage of the airway, usually > when the soft tissue in the rear of the throat collapses and closes > during sleep. In central sleep apnea, the airway is not blocked but the > brain fails to signal the muscles to breathe. Mixed sleep apnea, as the > name implies, is a combination of the two. With each apnea event, the > brain briefly arouses sleep apnea victims from sleep in order for them > to resume breathing, but consequently sleep is extremely fragmented and > of poor quality. > Sleep apnea is extremely common, as common as adult diabetes, and > affects more than twelve million Americans, according to the National > Institutes of Health. Risk factors include being male, overweight, and > over the age of forty, but sleep apnea can strike anyone at any age, > even children. Yet still because of the lack of awareness by the public > and healthcare professionals, the vast majority remain undiagnosed and > therefore untreated, despite the fact that this serious disorder can > have significant consequences. > Untreated, sleep apnea can cause high blood pressure and other > cardiovascular disease, memory problems, weight gain, impotency, and > headaches. Moreover, untreated sleep apnea may be responsible for job > impairment and motor vehicle crashes. Fortunately, sleep apnea can be > diagnosed and treated. Several treatment options exist, and research > into additional options continues. > Here is another web site about apnea: > http://sleepdisorders.about.com/cs/sleepapnea/ > Here is a UK web site: > http://www.healthindex.co.uk/sleep/index.htm > Evidently in the UK, apnea is spelled apnoea. > Hopefully the above was helpful. > — > Michael Meissner, Red Hat, Inc. (GCC group) > PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA > Work: meiss…@redhat.com phone: +1 978-486-9304 > Non-work: meiss…@the-meissners.org fax: +1 978-692-4482
Thanks for the info & link’s very insightful, I was interested to see your reference to ‘hoover’ as this is the term we use for a vacuum and I always presumed that this was a UK only term (hoover is a UK company). Andy.
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"Andrew" <A…@AndyD.com> writes: > I have had sleep related problems for several years and have tried many meds > which have all worked for a short while and then become a problem > themselves, so I have stopped beating myself up about it and just accepted > that this is how it will be and that I will always feel tired and have less > energy than others. It’s not an easy thing to come to terms with but when > you do it makes it a little more bearable whilst still waiting for this > miracle cure. > Can I ask what is CPAP? here in the UK we never hear of this (or at least I > haven’t) and most sleep problems are addressed with either an Hypnotic or > Anti-Depressant.
It stands for Continuous Positive Airway Pressure, and is used to treat sleep apnea (autopap and bi-pap are similar to cpap). It basically is a machine that blows air through a hose to nasal pillows that stick up your nostrils a mask that fits over your nose (or whole face). Generally within this group, the name hooverhead is used (hoover is a vacuum cleaner popular in the US, that has a hose as an attachment to clean drapes and such). Most people (in this group at least) find the mask/pillows aren’t that bad, especially considering the benefits of using CPAP. Here is a good definition of sleep apnea from http://www.sleepapnea.org (American Sleep Apnea Association): The Greek word "apnea" literally means "without breath." There are three types of sleep apnea: obstructive, central, and mixed; of the three, obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) is the most common. Despite the difference in the root cause of each type, in all three, people with untreated sleep apnea stop breathing repeatedly during their sleep, sometimes hundreds of times during the night and often for a minute or longer. Obstructive sleep apnea is caused by a blockage of the airway, usually when the soft tissue in the rear of the throat collapses and closes during sleep. In central sleep apnea, the airway is not blocked but the brain fails to signal the muscles to breathe. Mixed sleep apnea, as the name implies, is a combination of the two. With each apnea event, the brain briefly arouses sleep apnea victims from sleep in order for them to resume breathing, but consequently sleep is extremely fragmented and of poor quality. Sleep apnea is extremely common, as common as adult diabetes, and affects more than twelve million Americans, according to the National Institutes of Health. Risk factors include being male, overweight, and over the age of forty, but sleep apnea can strike anyone at any age, even children. Yet still because of the lack of awareness by the public and healthcare professionals, the vast majority remain undiagnosed and therefore untreated, despite the fact that this serious disorder can have significant consequences. Untreated, sleep apnea can cause high blood pressure and other cardiovascular disease, memory problems, weight gain, impotency, and headaches. Moreover, untreated sleep apnea may be responsible for job impairment and motor vehicle crashes. Fortunately, sleep apnea can be diagnosed and treated. Several treatment options exist, and research into additional options continues. Here is another web site about apnea: http://sleepdisorders.about.com/cs/sleepapnea/ Here is a UK web site: http://www.healthindex.co.uk/sleep/index.htm Evidently in the UK, apnea is spelled apnoea. Hopefully the above was helpful. — Michael Meissner, Red Hat, Inc. (GCC group) PMB 198, 174 Littleton Road #3, Westford, Massachusetts 01886, USA Work: meiss…@redhat.com phone: +1 978-486-9304 Non-work: meiss…@the-meissners.org fax: +1 978-692-4482
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>> Doctor’s don’t know all the answers.
<< Wow is THAT true! And I think in the area of insomnia, often the drs. are of zero help.
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"KLBJamie" <klbja…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020203001938.16969.00000824@mb-fr.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >My name is Drew. I am 38 and live in San Diego. I have known a woman > >named Brooke, who is 26 and lives in North Carolina, for about 18 months > >now. We met in the Internet, and were friends for about a year until we > >became romantically interested in each other. > >Brooke has always seemingly slept little, but when I started getting > >closer to her this past fall, she seemed tired often, and I felt this > >was a healthy scenario, given that she slept so infrequently. Her > >personal life has been a mess for most of her life. At this point, she > >is single, taking care of four children, is in financial straits > >(although she is well educated and makes a decent living), and has has > >several serious physical problems. > >My concern is that she seems like she is not viewing her chronic > >insomnia as a problem. She says she isn’t tired that often, feels fine > >for the most part, and regenerates by just "relaxing". She has not > >slept at all in days, and seems more and more like it is something that > >she thinks will always be a normal part of her life. > >This is worrisome to me, as I have known no one who gets so little sleep > >and has no side effects, and her insistence that she is fine to me > >smacks of denial of a serious psychological problem. I am due to fly to > >North Carolina in about two weeks to meet Brooke for the first time. I > >am worried about really falling for a woman who lives like this and may > >have a serious psychological problem, but I don’t have any ammunition to > >use when she tells me that she feels fine. > >Help.
I have had sleep related problems for several years and have tried many meds which have all worked for a short while and then become a problem themselves, so I have stopped beating myself up about it and just accepted that this is how it will be and that I will always feel tired and have less energy than others. It’s not an easy thing to come to terms with but when you do it makes it a little more bearable whilst still waiting for this miracle cure. Can I ask what is CPAP? here in the UK we never hear of this (or at least I haven’t) and most sleep problems are addressed with either an Hypnotic or Anti-Depressant. Andy.
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My name is Drew. I am 38 and live in San Diego. I have known a woman named Brooke, who is 26 and lives in North Carolina, for about 18 months now. We met in the Internet, and were friends for about a year until we became romantically interested in each other. Brooke has always seemingly slept little, but when I started getting closer to her this past fall, she seemed tired often, and I felt this was a healthy scenario, given that she slept so infrequently. Her personal life has been a mess for most of her life. At this point, she is single, taking care of four children, is in financial straits (although she is well educated and makes a decent living), and has has several serious physical problems. My concern is that she seems like she is not viewing her chronic insomnia as a problem. She says she isn’t tired that often, feels fine for the most part, and regenerates by just "relaxing". She has not slept at all in days, and seems more and more like it is something that she thinks will always be a normal part of her life. This is worrisome to me, as I have known no one who gets so little sleep and has no side effects, and her insistence that she is fine to me smacks of denial of a serious psychological problem. I am due to fly to North Carolina in about two weeks to meet Brooke for the first time. I am worried about really falling for a woman who lives like this and may have a serious psychological problem, but I don’t have any ammunition to use when she tells me that she feels fine. Help.
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>>At this point, she >is single, taking care of four children, is in financial straits >(although she is well educated and makes a decent living), and has has >several serious physical problems. <<
She has four kids, is single, has financial problems and physical problems and you are worried that she is an insomniac……? Sounds like that would be the least of your worries!
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"KLBJamie" <klbja…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020203001938.16969.00000824@mb-fr.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >My name is Drew. I am 38 and live in San Diego. I have known a woman > >named Brooke, who is 26 and lives in North Carolina, for about 18 months > >now. We met in the Internet, and were friends for about a year until we > >became romantically interested in each other. > >Brooke has always seemingly slept little, but when I started getting > >closer to her this past fall, she seemed tired often, and I felt this > >was a healthy scenario, given that she slept so infrequently. Her > >personal life has been a mess for most of her life. At this point, she > >is single, taking care of four children, is in financial straits > >(although she is well educated and makes a decent living), and has has > >several serious physical problems. > >My concern is that she seems like she is not viewing her chronic > >insomnia as a problem. She says she isn’t tired that often, feels fine > >for the most part, and regenerates by just "relaxing". She has not > >slept at all in days, and seems more and more like it is something that > >she thinks will always be a normal part of her life. > >This is worrisome to me, as I have known no one who gets so little sleep > >and has no side effects, and her insistence that she is fine to me > >smacks of denial of a serious psychological problem. I am due to fly to > >North Carolina in about two weeks to meet Brooke for the first time. I > >am worried about really falling for a woman who lives like this and may > >have a serious psychological problem, but I don’t have any ammunition to > >use when she tells me that she feels fine. > >Help. > Have her ask her doctor for some sleep meds. Ambien works great and has no > hangover effects.
I am also having serious sleep problems. Ambien doesn’t solve the problem for everyone. Doctor’s don’t know all the answers.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->My name is Drew. I am 38 and live in San Diego. I have known a woman >named Brooke, who is 26 and lives in North Carolina, for about 18 months >now. We met in the Internet, and were friends for about a year until we >became romantically interested in each other. >Brooke has always seemingly slept little, but when I started getting >closer to her this past fall, she seemed tired often, and I felt this >was a healthy scenario, given that she slept so infrequently. Her >personal life has been a mess for most of her life. At this point, she >is single, taking care of four children, is in financial straits >(although she is well educated and makes a decent living), and has has >several serious physical problems. >My concern is that she seems like she is not viewing her chronic >insomnia as a problem. She says she isn’t tired that often, feels fine >for the most part, and regenerates by just "relaxing". She has not >slept at all in days, and seems more and more like it is something that >she thinks will always be a normal part of her life. >This is worrisome to me, as I have known no one who gets so little sleep >and has no side effects, and her insistence that she is fine to me >smacks of denial of a serious psychological problem. I am due to fly to >North Carolina in about two weeks to meet Brooke for the first time. I >am worried about really falling for a woman who lives like this and may >have a serious psychological problem, but I don’t have any ammunition to >use when she tells me that she feels fine. >Help.
Have her ask her doctor for some sleep meds. Ambien works great and has no hangover effects.
