Sony Ericsonn k750i: software/notepad to record list of times

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Hi. I take medication[1] every 4 hours. They are amphetamines and it’s important I take them approx every 4 hours I need to make a note of what time I take it Is there a really quick and easy way of doing this? [2] If someone who knows how to write software can do this I’ll pay them for doing so? [3] [1] medication is dexedrine for ADHD [2] would be great if I didn’t have to type in the time – if I could do it quickly – .e.g on the bus.. just press a key and the phone automatically enters a ‘time’ stamp. [3] I’m a student, I can’t really afford to pay more than $20 but there may be a big market it. Ofcourse if you make it freeware, I’d be delighted!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take medication[1] every 4 hours. They are amphetamines and it’s important I take them approx every 4 hours I need to make a note of what time I take it Is there a really quick and easy way of doing this? [2] If someone who knows how to write software can do this I’ll pay them for doing so? [3] [1] medication is dexedrine for ADHD [2] would be great if I didn’t have to type in the time – if I could do it quickly – .e.g on the bus.. just press a key and the phone automatically enters a ‘time’ stamp. [3] I’m a student, I can’t really afford to pay more than $20 but there may be a big market it. Ofcourse if you make it freeware, I’d be delighted!

Write a script for your system, whatever it may be.  For windoze you can use a batch (.bat) file, especially if you have 4dos (a free download from jpsoft.com).  On linux a bash script will do nicely.   All they have to do is add a line to a file, specifying date and time.  You can arrange various ways of running it. Alternatively someone can write a whole program, which is gross overkill. — "If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don’t use  the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article.  Click on  "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the  "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." – Keith Thompson More details at: <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/ Also see <http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take medication[1] every 4 hours. They are amphetamines and it’s important I take them approx every 4 hours I need to make a note of what time I take it Is there a really quick and easy way of doing this? [2] If someone who knows how to write software can do this I’ll pay them for doing so? [3] [1] medication is dexedrine for ADHD [2] would be great if I didn’t have to type in the time – if I could do it quickly – .e.g on the bus.. just press a key and the phone automatically enters a ‘time’ stamp. [3] I’m a student, I can’t really afford to pay more than $20 but there may be a big market it. Ofcourse if you make it freeware, I’d be delighted! Write a script for your system, whatever it may be.  For windoze you can use a batch (.bat) file, especially if you have 4dos (a free download from jpsoft.com).  On linux a bash script will do nicely. All they have to do is add a line to a file, specifying date and time.  You can arrange various ways of running it. Alternatively someone can write a whole program, which is gross overkill. —

It’s for a mobile phone – the Sony E K750i , not a computer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take medication[1] every 4 hours. They are amphetamines and it’s important I take them approx every 4 hours I need to make a note of what time I take it Is there a really quick and easy way of doing this? [2] If someone who knows how to write software can do this I’ll pay them for doing so? [3] [1] medication is dexedrine for ADHD [2] would be great if I didn’t have to type in the time – if I could do it quickly – .e.g on the bus.. just press a key and the phone automatically enters a ‘time’ stamp. [3] I’m a student, I can’t really afford to pay more than $20 but there may be a big market it. Ofcourse if you make it freeware, I’d be delighted! Write a script for your system, whatever it may be.  For windoze you can use a batch (.bat) file, especially if you have 4dos (a free download from jpsoft.com).  On linux a bash script will do nicely. All they have to do is add a line to a file, specifying date and time.  You can arrange various ways of running it. Alternatively someone can write a whole program, which is gross overkill. It’s for a mobile phone – the Sony E K750i , not a computer

Oh.  There’s probably a computer hidden under that, but I am certainly not familiar with it.  Good luck.  Try comp.arch.embedded, where you may well find some of the designers. Don’t cross post all over again, it will get you ignored. — "If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don’t use  the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article.  Click on  "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the  "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." – Keith Thompson More details at: <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/ Also see <http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/

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Hi. I take medication[1] every 4 hours. They are amphetamines and it’s important I take them approx every 4 hours I need to make a note of what time I take it Is there a really quick and easy way of doing this? [2]

A stopwatch. Reset it to zero when you take the stuff. Lots of digital watches have such a feature built-in. Many of them also have a timer you can set to go off after 4 hours, or if you like every four hours. — IPAB,  Informatics,  JCMB, King’s Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I take medication[1] every 4 hours. They are amphetamines and it’s important I take them approx every 4 hours I need to make a note of what time I take it Is there a really quick and easy way of doing this? [2] A stopwatch. Reset it to zero when you take the stuff. Lots of digital watches have such a feature built-in. Many of them also have a timer you can set to go off after 4 hours, or if you like every four hours. — IPAB,  Informatics,  JCMB, King’s Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

My doctor needs a list of times that I took the drug. (monitoring side effects such as insomnia) My phone has a countdown timer – I can set it to reset every 4 hours

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I take medication[1] every 4 hours. They are amphetamines and it’s important I take them approx every 4 hours I need to make a note of what time I take it Is there a really quick and easy way of doing this? [2] If someone who knows how to write software can do this I’ll pay them for doing so? [3] [1] medication is dexedrine for ADHD [2] would be great if I didn’t have to type in the time – if I could do it quickly – .e.g on the bus.. just press a key and the phone automatically enters a ‘time’ stamp. [3] I’m a student, I can’t really afford to pay more than $20 but there may be a big market it. Ofcourse if you make it freeware, I’d be delighted! Write a script for your system, whatever it may be.  For windoze you can use a batch (.bat) file, especially if you have 4dos (a free download from jpsoft.com).  On linux a bash script will do nicely. All they have to do is add a line to a file, specifying date and time.  You can arrange various ways of running it. Alternatively someone can write a whole program, which is gross overkill. It’s for a mobile phone – the Sony E K750i , not a computer Oh.  There’s probably a computer hidden under that, but I am certainly not familiar with it.  Good luck.  Try comp.arch.embedded, where you may well find some of the designers. Don’t cross post all over again, it will get you ignored.

Considering further, a suitable device could probably be built out of a cheap PIC, a battery, and a pushbutton.  In any volume it could go for something in the twenty dollar area.  It could be unloaded via an RS232 port, or SPI, etc.  Take your meds, push the button.  Once daily (or weekly, etc) unload it somewhere. I am capable of tackling such, but not willing.  Once again, try comp.arch.embedded.  There could be a buck in it for someone. Needs a few interlocks, against multiple button pushes, for example. — "If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don’t use  the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article.  Click on  "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the  "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." – Keith Thompson More details at: <http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/ Also see <http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I take medication[1] every 4 hours. They are amphetamines and it’s important I take them approx every 4 hours I need to make a note of what time I take it Is there a really quick and easy way of doing this? [2] If someone who knows how to write software can do this I’ll pay them for doing so? [3] [1] medication is dexedrine for ADHD [2] would be great if I didn’t have to type in the time – if I could do it quickly – .e.g on the bus.. just press a key and the phone automatically enters a ‘time’ stamp. [3] I’m a student, I can’t really afford to pay more than $20 but there may be a big market it. Ofcourse if you make it freeware, I’d be delighted!

I took a few min. and look out on source forge. I found this java program.  In one of your other notes you said that you wanted to run on a phone.  I’ve not done it but a lot of phone can held java. http://sourceforge.net/projects/jicmtm

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I took a few min. and look out on source forge. I found this java program. In one of your other notes you said that you wanted to run on a phone. I’ve not done it but a lot of phone can held java. http://sourceforge.net/projects/jicmtm

    The project is in the planning stages, so they haven’t actually released any software yet. Also, it looks like this is for J2SE (Java 2 Standard Edition), which means it probably won’t run on cellphones (which only have J2ME, Java 2 Micro Edition). J2SE is intended for desktop usage, and requires something like a 100 meg download, which most phones can’t afford.     – Oliver

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Oliver Wong a

Panic Attacks I think…

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hi come visit at www.panicattackhelp.co.uk..some help there pete

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sorry site doesn’t come up…

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Hello all, new here and am reading about others with panic attacks.  I think I have them as well… I haven’t read any/all symptoms like mine but would like to share. my symptoms; insomnia, butterflies, racing heart, dry mouth, shaking hands (almost like using drugs coke etc… which I don’t do)  Now this all comes on at night usually after 7ish…  At first I thought it was because I had a sugar reaction to an Vodka drink, then it happened with a candy bar, then it happened when I got busy at night.  I went to Dr to eliminate…  thought it could be diabetis (mom is diabetic) ruled that out, ruled out thyroid, hyper/hypo glycemic (although I test sugar levels and they get really low).  She then asked if I ever had panic attacks.  WHAT, never…  she wanted to prescribe meds, I said no… I’m more a natural freak than take meds type.  I researched web and this is the only thing I can figure out that it is. I don’t get them all the time and I’ve kept track on what triggers them, my only solution is I get excited when I start a project at night/evening that it give me what I like to call episodes. I could be anything from cleaning the bathrooms to doing laundry.  So now I do all that early in the morning. They keep me up all night thru the next day until I go to bed the following night. example: get up at 6 am today and can’t sleep until tomorrow 9ish… I get caught up in my TIVO’d shows and reading.  My husband loves it because we have "episode sex" tires him out but not me. So now I just deal with them.   Any help out there?

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OT: *Bonus* Question of the day…. 4/08/06

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4/08/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What was the worst thing you ever said to your mother? Jackie

I’m not gonna repeat them I’ve said some real bad things to many people when ADs have messed up my brain chemistry bad enough.  Ambien is pretty bad too for turning me into a complete asshole so I try to avoid it unless I have REAL bad insomnia. — _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Thank God this question is about may dad! I think I told her to "shut-up" many many years ago, and she did. I try to hold my mother in highest respect. Lobo — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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correction…..is NOT about my Dad! lol Lobo — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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4/08/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What was the worst thing you ever said to your mother?

I was a kid, and I told her she was ugly. I have regretted doing that so many times. I’d give both my arms and legs just to see her again for just one minute. That would be the most beautiful sight I could imagine. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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((((((Simon)))))) Your mother has no idea of what a wonderful son she has missed having in her life… smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 4/08/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What was the worst thing you ever said to your mother? "Hello".  In fact that is about all I have ever said to her.  It was ten years ago and she asked me to never contact her again.  Oh well. It was not unexpected :’-( Simon — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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4/08/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What was the worst thing you ever said to your mother? "Hello".  In fact that is about all I have ever said to her.  It was ten years ago and she asked me to never contact her again.  Oh well. It was not unexpected :’-(

((((Simon))) Hang in there. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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4/08/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What was the worst thing you ever said to your mother?

I said "Get out of my room" when she said if my dad’s wife, the BITCH, came to my wedding a week away, she would not be there.  That was the worst thing I ever said.  She regrets acting that way, especially since my dad’s wife didn’t come.  They (he and his second wife) were divorced 20 years before he died .  They were very much married at the time.  Dad even called me and said "I won’t be at your wedding.  If my wife isn’t welcome, then I am not welcome."  He was there  anyway and met my husband at the rehearsal.  He gave me away.  I wouldn’t have cared but I didin’6t want Cops to be shooting an episode on my wedding day because it would have been bad.  He didn’t go to my two younger sisters’ weddings, however, and regretted that until the Vicki — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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4/08/06: Todays question is being brought to you by one of our very own anon poster`s What was the worst thing you ever said to your mother? Jackie ~*~….

New drug!

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There is now a new disorder (well, I’m not positive that it’s "new", but I hadn’t heard it yet) and of course there is a new drug for it. The disorder is EDS which stands for "excessive daytime sleepiness".  Is that anything like "being tired" ? It is an acronym for a term used in relation to a syndrome of EDS and cataplexy in narcoleptic patients, and the drug is called Xyrem, which is sodium oxybate, and is the very same thing as GHB, a popular "rave" drug, with reasonably high abuse potential.  It is a controlled substance, DEA schedule III, and has a black-box warning about its potential for abuse, and that doctors should watch for "feigned cataplexy". So, if you are narcoleptic (fall asleep easily) and you are too tired during the day, you can now take a highly abusable CNS depressant at night.  It’s a liquid, and you can take from 3000 to 9000 milligrams of it.  I’m not sure how this would help, but they seem to say it does. Xyrem is only available through the "Xyrem Success Program", using a centralized pharmacy.  They provide educational materials to the prescriber and the patient explaining the risks and proper use of sodium oxybate (GHB). I thought I’d point out, just for fun, that part of the success program with this drug, which even the manufacturer admits, is urinary incontinence while sleeping, and less often, fecal incontinence…(hey, at least it’s only while sleeping….) Oh, and most fun:  It’s made by a company called "Jazz Pharmaceuticals" !! www.xyrem.com G

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garyI thought your that Dr guy sorry if I mistookyou for someone else. .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is now a new disorder (well, I’m not positive that it’s "new", but I hadn’t heard it yet) and of course there is a new drug for it. The disorder is EDS which stands for "excessive daytime sleepiness".  Is that anything like "being tired" ? It is an acronym for a term used in relation to a syndrome of EDS and cataplexy in narcoleptic patients, and the drug is called Xyrem, which is sodium oxybate, and is the very same thing as GHB, a popular "rave" drug, with reasonably high abuse potential.  It is a controlled substance, DEA schedule III, and has a black-box warning about its potential for abuse, and that doctors should watch for "feigned cataplexy". So, if you are narcoleptic (fall asleep easily) and you are too tired during the day, you can now take a highly abusable CNS depressant at night.  It’s a liquid, and you can take from 3000 to 9000 milligrams of it.  I’m not sure how this would help, but they seem to say it does. Xyrem is only available through the "Xyrem Success Program", using a centralized pharmacy.  They provide educational materials to the prescriber and the patient explaining the risks and proper use of sodium oxybate (GHB). I thought I’d point out, just for fun, that part of the success program with this drug, which even the manufacturer admits, is urinary incontinence while sleeping, and less often, fecal incontinence…(hey, at least it’s only while sleeping….) Oh, and most fun:  It’s made by a company called "Jazz Pharmaceuticals" !! www.xyrem.com G

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Wellbutrin XL and Headdaches?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did anyone ever experience bad headaches the first few weeks of taking Wellbutrin XL?  Not a day has gone by without one.  They are resistant to 800 mg. of ibuprophen too.  I even went to my ENT and he gave me antibiotics and pain meds. He wants me to have a CT scan, I had it scheduled then my husband got the flu and since my son totalled my car I had to cancel.  I will try to get it done this Friday, my husband’s day off.  It really doesn’t feel like a sinus headache, and believe me, I know what they are after 20 years of suffering.  I have a past history of migraines and wonder about that.  I did read on the pamphlet the pharmacist gave me with the Wellbutrin that headaches and worsened anxiety can be common side effects but will usually go  away.  I see the Pdoc NP today at 5pm and I will ask her.  Just wondering if anyone here has had this experience or am I just wierd?  Thanks for listening. Vicki

I have been on Wellbutrin XL 150 for three day s now.  I was working out at the gym yesterday and instantly got the worst headache I’ve ever had.  It felt like what I would imagine a stroke feeling like.  It has since gotten a little better but it just feels like a lot of pressure in my head and neck.  I also have been really tired since taking it, which I know is at odds with what it’s supposed to do.  Already skeptical about it because my doctor told me not to drink coffee or alcohol, which I think may make me feel worse since I like to do those two things.

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don’t really know if that is the case but can’t post there it just doesn’t show up-that’s life.

i know.  i’m'ah genius.  <smile drugs are either abortive or prophylactic, wouldn’t tha latter dictate tha resistence of tha former? ok.. i’m still stuck in tha 70’s and in high school. let’s do the time warp

AGIN???? are you’ah SWEEEEEEEEEEEEET TRANSVESTITE from tranSEXUALLLLLLL TRANSSSSSSSSSSSSSSylVANIA? (a mental find fuck CAN be nice) ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face on the FACE!!!!!

never let it be said that *i* passed up’ah decent facial from’ah shrink. i wish sumbody would tell me tha REAL scoop on how ta handle "restles leg syndrome"… my boyfriend has an appt with a sleep disorder doc on friday, i’m afraid he won’t know shit from shinola. is it a psych issue or a physical issue? It can be both-If there aren’t meds like ssri’s being used or pajor tranqs (antipsychotics) I see it as a kinetic issue-sometimes the muscles are too fatigued or not worked enough, sometimes it can be a vitamin or nutrional issue, some non psychiatric drugs can make it worse. I think just about everyone has experienced to one degree or another.

He is so worn out by it, it was about once a month, now about every night.  but not until he KNOWS it’s time to sleep. it is fuckin’ up his life, actually, i know that sounds ‘dramatic’… and the "TWITCHIES", as he calls it, dictate his sleep, he’s never rested, and it’s a chronic sorta "strange pain"… it is actually miserable for Him.  and gettin’ more miserable by tha day.  i made Him an appointment with’ah "sleep disorder" doctor, but i so don’t trust CRAP in oklahoma, and i gotta do all the appointment stuff cuz he will NOT admit it’s something that needs treatment. (men.) i heard dopamine is tha treatment of choice or opiates.  he won’t do tha opiate thang cuz he knows he’ll never get ta take even one with me around.  i dunno whaddah dopamine is, but if it works, they shouldn’t call it "DOPE" !   HAHAHAHA the psycholigical factor comes into play if it is caused by tension, depression or if one experiences it, how they awfulize it-like a charlie horse or a foot spasm-some people scream in writhing pain,

it’s gotten to that point.  writhing "pain", but not like regular pain.  it’s kinda weird to describe. others just shake it off-discomfort thresholds are different for everyone, the trick is trying to get them elevated. Drugs like requip or klonopin and valium, or the more shotgun muscle relaxers can help sometimes,

i gave him half’ah xanax a couplah times but it was like he got sleepy, but the "twitchies" didn’t stop.  he smokes, too.  i tell him that’s tha reason but of course, it’s futile. i lie a lot ta get stuff i want. but they have side effects and hazards, so one needs to weigh the risk vrs benefit-sometimes by changing sleep archetecture using a tricyclic

i gotta look ‘tricyclic’ up. at low dose can help get the muscles and the nerves

…….block the reuptake of the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and i’m printin this out for him ta take to his doctor, tha stuff i looked up on tricyclics. thank you so MUCH, Margrove !  i know that was’ah strange question, thank you for answering it. to calm down-in your boyfriends case, you might just be wearing him out

oh wait. well…… yanno. i’ve heard both. i’m in oklahoma. i give no credence ta much.  i’d much rather trust tha "ousted from ASAPM" Margrove’s opinion. Margrove?  CAN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU, PLEASE?  i have really good insurance. I don’t accept insurance, I let the client pay and they file it and get reimbursed, it’s just cleaner that way, no conflict of interest, capitation etc..

can i be’ah client?  i file my own insurance anyways.  they BET on me forgettin’, i’m thinkin’… and half’ah time?  they’re right on tha money. (and would i have ta call ya "margrove"…. or could’ah call ya "DADDY?")

only if I sit on your lap i gotta "roomy" lap !  HOP ABOARD ! shah-reeeeeeeeenks are all touchy bout that stuff, eh?  i’m gonna assume you superceded that crap, Daddy. :X ~t time to go now aloha

hey !!!!!!  whaddah bout that groovy lei ya promised me, DADDY? (it’s so hard ta track ‘em down once they’re on’ah mission.) xoxoxoxoxxo ~tanya

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe you mentioned on asapm ( I cannot respond there, moderators or something) HOUSTON?  WE DEFINITELY HAVE’AH PROBLEM ! don’t really know if that is the case but can’t post there it just doesn’t show up-that’s life.

Of course your posts are *not* rejected, you would get a message saying they were rejected in the first place. This has nothing to do with moderation but rather with some technical matter. Ask Vashti or Anna or Dan, they’ll be able to hekp you post at ASAPM where you are sorely missed! Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -drugs are either abortive or prophylactic, wouldn’t tha latter dictate tha resistence of tha former? ok.. i’m still stuck in tha 70’s and in high school. let’s do the time warp ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face on the FACE!!!!! i wish sumbody would tell me tha REAL scoop on how ta handle "restles leg syndrome"… my boyfriend has an appt with a sleep disorder doc on friday, i’m afraid he won’t know shit from shinola. is it a psych issue or a physical issue? It can be both-If there aren’t meds like ssri’s being used or pajor tranqs (antipsychotics) I see it as a kinetic issue-sometimes the muscles are too fatigued or not worked enough, sometimes it can be a vitamin or nutrional issue, some non psychiatric drugs can make it worse. I think just about everyone has experienced to one degree or another, the psycholigical factor comes into play if it is caused by tension, depression or if one experiences it, how they awfulize it-like a charlie horse or a foot spasm-some people scream in writhing pain, others just shake it off-discomfort thresholds are different for everyone, the trick is trying to get them elevated. Drugs like requip or klonopin and valium, or the more shotgun muscle relaxers can help sometimes, but they have side effects and hazards, so one needs to weigh the risk vrs benefit-sometimes by changing sleep archetecture using a tricyclic at low dose can help get the muscles and the nerves to calm down-in your boyfriends case, you might just be wearing him out i’ve heard both. i’m in oklahoma. i give no credence ta much.  i’d much rather trust tha "ousted from ASAPM" Margrove’s opinion. Margrove?  CAN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU, PLEASE?  i have really good insurance. I don’t accept insurance, I let the client pay and they file it and get reimbursed, it’s just cleaner that way, no conflict of interest, capitation etc.. (and would i have ta call ya "margrove"…. or could’ah call ya "DADDY?") only if I sit on your lap shah-reeeeeeeeenks are all touchy bout that stuff, eh?  i’m gonna assume you superceded that crap, Daddy. :X ~t time to go now aloha

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"I don’t accept insurance, I let the client pay and they file it and get reimbursed, it’s just cleaner that way, no conflict of interest, capitation etc." I wouldn’t either.  If you’re good, people will pay your price.

OH HOLY !  ya gotta pay their price even if they suck.  (unless yer a fuckin’ bitch’n pull yer file and cash outtah their office)  but HEY ! who would ever do THAT? Ever notice how the best doctors in town have the smallest print in the yellow pages?

yeah, cuz they’re in hawaii…keepin’ a low profile.  WITH THA SWEETEST Translation of above for people unfamiliar with third-party "payers"…. The doctor has decided that he deserves

why ain’t they regulated?  why do THEY get ta decide what they charge before the service has been purveyed?  i mean…. i’m a lowly piercer… and ya think even *i* would decide my OWN worth when my guess what… if someone’s not TOTALLY HAPPY and JUMPIN’ UP’N DOWN with muh service, they get their moolah BACK ! ain’t ever happened, by tha  WELCOME TO AMERICA ! i’m sure Margrove is worth every penny he has decided, but how often does THAT happen?  are ya gettin’ muh drift? WHAT a concept !!  If he "accepts/files" insurance for the patients he sees, the insurance company will have a "usual and customary rate" that is considerably lower than anyone would actually charge (making one wonder why it is audaciously called "usual" or "customary" – unbelievable)..

i dunno… my insurance company decides how much THEY pay, and frankly, i don’t GIVE’ah GOOD GODDAM HOW much they pay if i gettah dude/dudette that’s stepped out for a smoke, even, away from that ivory tower. Gar?  yer lucky and so was i at one point.  now…. let’s see ya go on’ah search for ANOTHER shrink.  let’s say yours gets hit by’ah bus… (i love that scenario cuz it never happens), but let’s just say…. HOW you gonna find what you need without trial and error?  AND TRIAL AND ERROR IS QUITE EXPENSIVE, even with kick-ass insurance…  and PLEASE don’t say you’ll "interview him/her first"…. i’ll beatcha like’ah steel drum. The other insurance scenario is that the doctor signs a contract, let’s say with Aetna or Blue Cross/Blue Shield, and is then either designated a "preferred provider" or a "participating provider" – he essentially has to agree to see the patient, provide all the same services, and recieve a "capitated" amount.  In the case of my own physician, he charges 160.00 an hour – however, in order to have a contract with BC/BS, he can only receive 118.60 per hour,

(he’s gonna have ta dumb down ta Stolichnaya…. i hate ta tell him…) GREY GOOSE IS GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN !  and is actually not allowed to charge me the difference – it’s contractual and I’m not even kidding…  This obviously (once you know it, and are his patient) creates a bad feeling for someone like me, knowing that the physician is not recieving what he actually would like to be paid per hour

YOU FEEL BAD HE’S NOT MAKIN’ WHAT HE WANTSSSSSSSSS PER HOUR?  WELL shit… i want 895 bucks per hour… feel bad fer me. (and his fee is certainly consistent with that of other psych docs).

ok… i’m gonna vomit…  you DO gotta special circumstance, Gar… most ain’t worth tha hair gel they get from tha dollar store per hour.  On the other hand, I do know that he signed said contract volitionally, so I have to pretty much just allow the whole thing – it is not in my sphere of influence.

ya gotta stop takin’ on those massive problems of others.  fa real. has he ever given you a kick-back for bein’ his "cash cow" for 16, almost 17 years? hell, even *i* do that for those that’ve been pierced or tatted over $500 bucks….  now puh-lease. LM, I certainly agree that you should never accept insurance.

i think he accepts it, or people with it, i just don’t think he purveys it. hell, i’d give Daddy anything he wants !  i mean he IS sittin’ in muh lap… i’m kinda at’ah disadvantage. i DO wish he’d sit still, tho… it’s makin’ tha cellulite on muh thighs wiggle. (ewwwwwwww) ahhhhhhhhh, just’n time… <slurp (i’m glad that cabana boy didn’t see that) lalalaallaa ~t

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Sorry to top post but could you tell me the side effects of Requip?  She put me on it a couple of weeks ago and I haven’t noticed anything, or I could be missing something. Vicki

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe you mentioned on asapm ( I cannot respond there, moderators or something) HOUSTON?  WE DEFINITELY HAVE’AH PROBLEM ! don’t really know if that is the case but can’t post there it just doesn’t show up-that’s life. drugs are either abortive or prophylactic, wouldn’t tha latter dictate tha resistence of tha former? ok.. i’m still stuck in tha 70’s and in high school. let’s do the time warp ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face on the FACE!!!!! i wish sumbody would tell me tha REAL scoop on how ta handle "restles leg syndrome"… my boyfriend has an appt with a sleep disorder doc on friday, i’m afraid he won’t know shit from shinola. is it a psych issue or a physical issue? It can be both-If there aren’t meds like ssri’s being used or pajor tranqs (antipsychotics) I see it as a kinetic issue-sometimes the muscles are too fatigued or not worked enough, sometimes it can be a vitamin or nutrional issue, some non psychiatric drugs can make it worse. I think just about everyone has experienced to one degree or another, the psycholigical factor comes into play if it is caused by tension, depression or if one experiences it, how they awfulize it-like a charlie horse or a foot spasm-some people scream in writhing pain, others just shake it off-discomfort thresholds are different for everyone, the trick is trying to get them elevated. Drugs like requip or klonopin and valium, or the more shotgun muscle relaxers can help sometimes, but they have side effects and hazards, so one needs to weigh the risk vrs benefit-sometimes by changing sleep archetecture using a tricyclic at low dose can help get the muscles and the nerves to calm down-in your boyfriends case, you might just be wearing him out i’ve heard both. i’m in oklahoma. i give no credence ta much.  i’d much rather trust tha "ousted from ASAPM" Margrove’s opinion. Margrove?  CAN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU, PLEASE?  i have really good insurance. I don’t accept insurance, I let the client pay and they file it and get reimbursed, it’s just cleaner that way, no conflict of interest, capitation etc.. (and would i have ta call ya "margrove"…. or could’ah call ya "DADDY?") only if I sit on your lap shah-reeeeeeeeenks are all touchy bout that stuff, eh?  i’m gonna assume you superceded that crap, Daddy. :X ~t time to go now aloha

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Sorry to top post but could you tell me the side effects of Requip?

fatigue, drowsy, and      headaches! I think this may be the culprit it can cause some other sacry side effects but they are rare, describing them may be counterproductive, if you stopped this med and the headaches go away, you nailed it-do ask your doc first of course-there are no discontinuation effects  She put – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -me on it a couple of weeks ago and I haven’t noticed anything, or I could be missing something. Vicki I believe you mentioned on asapm ( I cannot respond there, moderators or something) HOUSTON?  WE DEFINITELY HAVE’AH PROBLEM ! don’t really know if that is the case but can’t post there it just doesn’t show up-that’s life. drugs are either abortive or prophylactic, wouldn’t tha latter dictate tha resistence of tha former? ok.. i’m still stuck in tha 70’s and in high school. let’s do the time warp ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face on the FACE!!!!! i wish sumbody would tell me tha REAL scoop on how ta handle "restles leg syndrome"… my boyfriend has an appt with a sleep disorder doc on friday, i’m afraid he won’t know shit from shinola. is it a psych issue or a physical issue? It can be both-If there aren’t meds like ssri’s being used or pajor tranqs (antipsychotics) I see it as a kinetic issue-sometimes the muscles are too fatigued or not worked enough, sometimes it can be a vitamin or nutrional issue, some non psychiatric drugs can make it worse. I think just about everyone has experienced to one degree or another, the psycholigical factor comes into play if it is caused by tension, depression or if one experiences it, how they awfulize it-like a charlie horse or a foot spasm-some people scream in writhing pain, others just shake it off-discomfort thresholds are different for everyone, the trick is trying to get them elevated. Drugs like requip or klonopin and valium, or the more shotgun muscle relaxers can help sometimes, but they have side effects and hazards, so one needs to weigh the risk vrs benefit-sometimes by changing sleep archetecture using a tricyclic at low dose can help get the muscles and the nerves to calm down-in your boyfriends case, you might just be wearing him out i’ve heard both. i’m in oklahoma. i give no credence ta much.  i’d much rather trust tha "ousted from ASAPM" Margrove’s opinion. Margrove?  CAN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU, PLEASE?  i have really good insurance. I don’t accept insurance, I let the client pay and they file it and get reimbursed, it’s just cleaner that way, no conflict of interest, capitation etc.. (and would i have ta call ya "margrove"…. or could’ah call ya "DADDY?") only if I sit on your lap shah-reeeeeeeeenks are all touchy bout that stuff, eh?  i’m gonna assume you superceded that crap, Daddy. :X ~t time to go now aloha

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did anyone ever experience bad headaches the first few weeks of taking Wellbutrin XL?  Not a day has gone by without one. headaches as well as al kinds of side effects can be caused by almost any medication. Wellbutrin is a potent drug that activates some amines that may be responsible to cause migraines in some people, so it is possible this is a possible culprit 800 mg. of ibuprophen too. migraines rarely respond to ibuprophen when full blown-other drugs work better

That explains a lot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe you mentioned on asapm ( I cannot respond there, moderators or something) your ent administered antibiotics, so he would have reason  to believe you needed them so it may be that his examination indicated you do have a sinus condition that may be an acute infection or some other possible condition like polyps or an obstructed sinus-hence the ct scan-headaches can be caused by all kinds of things, they are a symptoms per se, so allergy, diet, stress, depression or your current meds, hormones, sleep etc all may be contributory. Ask your ent if using a steroid spray may help this along, as well as trying an antihistamine like allegra etc.. Migraine drugs are either abortive or prophylactic, there are many you could try if this is indeed migraine. Migraine is typically pain localized around one eye, you have sensitivity to light, sound and feel nausea, it worsens when you excert yourself or bend your head downward-it may be preceded by an auro of some kind usually visual, sometimes a mood change-and can last for days, or be daily. Sinus headaches can mimic migraine, but the tell is usually congestion and discharge as well as pain focused at the sinus site-facial pain, pain when you press on tissue around any of the sinus cavities-if wellbutrin is kicking them off, it is a roll of the dice if they will go away-weren’t you on wellbutrin before? You could ask your pdoc if you can skip one dose of wellbutrin to see if the pain goes away within 12 hours or so -ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face

I was on it for a short time last summer.  Didn’t notice the headaches so it’s possible sinus.  I will call my ENT about a spray and maybe something for pain besides ibuprophen.  He will give me Lortab, which I only take when I just feel I am dying.  Scared of stuff like that long term.  I like the effects Wellbutrin has had on my depression.  I saw the Pdoc NP yesterday and she decided to keep my dose at 150mg and if I felt it needed to be raised, to call her (there have been some extended family problems that are probably affecting my mood the last few days.  I know I was extremely upset due to an altercation immediately before I left to go to the doctor. Thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -and pain meds. He wants me to have a CT scan, I had it scheduled then my husband got the flu and since my son totalled my car I had to cancel.  I will try to get it done this Friday, my husband’s day off.  It really doesn’t feel like a sinus headache, and believe me, I know what they are after 20 years of suffering.  I have a past history of migraines and wonder about that.  I did read on the pamphlet the pharmacist gave me with the Wellbutrin that headaches and worsened anxiety can be common side effects but will usually go  away.  I see the Pdoc NP today at 5pm and I will ask her.  Just wondering if anyone here has had this experience or am I just wierd?  Thanks for listening. Vicki

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"I don’t accept insurance, I let the client pay and they file it and get reimbursed, it’s just cleaner that way, no conflict of interest, capitation etc." I wouldn’t either.  If you’re good, people will pay your price.  Ever notice how the best doctors in town have the smallest print in the yellow pages? Translation of above for people unfamiliar with third-party "payers"…. The doctor has decided that he deserves the fee that he charges, in it’s entirety – WHAT a concept !!  If he "accepts/files" insurance for the patients he sees, the insurance company will have a "usual and customary rate" that is considerably lower than anyone would actually charge (making one wonder why it is audaciously called "usual" or "customary" – unbelievable)..  The other insurance scenario is that the doctor signs a contract, let’s say with Aetna or Blue Cross/Blue Shield, and is then either designated a "preferred provider" or a "participating provider" – he essentially has to agree to see the patient, provide all the same services, and recieve a "capitated" amount.  In the case of my own physician, he charges 160.00 an hour – however, in order to have a contract with BC/BS, he can only receive 118.60 per hour, and is actually not allowed to charge me the difference – it’s contractual and I’m not even kidding…  This obviously (once you know it, and are his patient) creates a bad feeling for someone like me, knowing that the physician is not recieving what he actually would like to be paid per hour (and his fee is certainly consistent with that of other psych docs).  On the other hand, I do know that he signed said contract volitionally, so I have to pretty much just allow the whole thing – it is not in my sphere of influence. LM, I certainly agree that you should never accept insurance. G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe you mentioned on asapm ( I cannot respond there, moderators or something) HOUSTON?  WE DEFINITELY HAVE’AH PROBLEM ! don’t really know if that is the case but can’t post there it just doesn’t show up-that’s life. drugs are either abortive or prophylactic, wouldn’t tha latter dictate tha resistence of tha former? ok.. i’m still stuck in tha 70’s and in high school. let’s do the time warp ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face on the FACE!!!!! i wish sumbody would tell me tha REAL scoop on how ta handle "restles leg syndrome"… my boyfriend has an appt with a sleep disorder doc on friday, i’m afraid he won’t know shit from shinola. is it a psych issue or a physical issue? It can be both-If there aren’t meds like ssri’s being used or pajor tranqs (antipsychotics) I see it as a kinetic issue-sometimes the muscles are too fatigued or not worked enough, sometimes it can be a vitamin or nutrional issue, some non psychiatric drugs can make it worse. I think just about everyone has experienced to one degree or another, the psycholigical factor comes into play if it is caused by tension, depression or if one experiences it, how they awfulize it-like a charlie horse or a foot spasm-some people scream in writhing pain, others just shake it off-discomfort thresholds are different for everyone, the trick is trying to get them elevated. Drugs like requip or klonopin and valium, or the more shotgun muscle relaxers can help sometimes, but they have side effects and hazards, so one needs to weigh the risk vrs benefit-sometimes by changing sleep archetecture using a tricyclic at low dose can help get the muscles and the nerves to calm down-in your boyfriends case, you might just be wearing him out i’ve heard both. i’m in oklahoma. i give no credence ta much.  i’d much rather trust tha "ousted from ASAPM" Margrove’s opinion. Margrove?  CAN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU, PLEASE?  i have really good insurance. I don’t accept insurance, I let the client pay and they file it and get reimbursed, it’s just cleaner that way, no conflict of interest, capitation etc.. (and would i have ta call ya "margrove"…. or could’ah call ya "DADDY?") only if I sit on your lap shah-reeeeeeeeenks are all touchy bout that stuff, eh?  i’m gonna assume you superceded that crap, Daddy. :X ~t time to go now aloha

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I believe you mentioned on asapm ( I cannot respond there, moderators or something) HOUSTON?  WE DEFINITELY HAVE’AH PROBLEM !

don’t really know if that is the case but can’t post there it just doesn’t show up-that’s life. drugs are either abortive or prophylactic, wouldn’t tha latter dictate tha resistence of tha former? ok.. i’m still stuck in tha 70’s and in high school.

let’s do the time warp ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face

on the FACE!!!!! i wish sumbody would tell me tha REAL scoop on how ta handle "restles leg syndrome"… my boyfriend has an appt with a sleep disorder doc on friday, i’m afraid he won’t know shit from shinola. is it a psych issue or a physical issue?

It can be both-If there aren’t meds like ssri’s being used or pajor tranqs (antipsychotics) I see it as a kinetic issue-sometimes the muscles are too fatigued or not worked enough, sometimes it can be a vitamin or nutrional issue, some non psychiatric drugs can make it worse. I think just about everyone has experienced to one degree or another, the psycholigical factor comes into play if it is caused by tension, depression or if one experiences it, how they awfulize it-like a charlie horse or a foot spasm-some people scream in writhing pain, others just shake it off-discomfort thresholds are different for everyone, the trick is trying to get them elevated. Drugs like requip or klonopin and valium, or the more shotgun muscle relaxers can help sometimes, but they have side effects and hazards, so one needs to weigh the risk vrs benefit-sometimes by changing sleep archetecture using a tricyclic at low dose can help get the muscles and the nerves to calm down-in your boyfriends case, you might just be wearing him out i’ve heard both. i’m in oklahoma. i give no credence ta much.  i’d much rather trust tha "ousted from ASAPM" Margrove’s opinion. Margrove?  CAN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU, PLEASE?  i have really good insurance.

I don’t accept insurance, I let the client pay and they file it and get reimbursed, it’s just cleaner that way, no conflict of interest, capitation etc.. (and would i have ta call ya "margrove"…. or could’ah call ya "DADDY?") only if I sit on your lap shah-reeeeeeeeenks are all touchy bout that stuff, eh?  i’m gonna assume you superceded that crap, Daddy. :X ~t

time to go now aloha

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I believe you mentioned on asapm ( I cannot respond there, moderators or something)

HOUSTON?  WE DEFINITELY HAVE’AH PROBLEM ! drugs are either abortive or prophylactic,

wouldn’t tha latter dictate tha resistence of tha former? ok.. i’m still stuck in tha 70’s and in high school. ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face

i wish sumbody would tell me tha REAL scoop on how ta handle "restles leg syndrome"… my boyfriend has an appt with a sleep disorder doc on friday, i’m afraid he won’t know shit from shinola. is it a psych issue or a physical issue? i’ve heard both. i’m in oklahoma. i give no credence ta much.  i’d much rather trust tha "ousted from ASAPM" Margrove’s opinion. Margrove?  CAN I MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOU, PLEASE?  i have really good insurance. (and would i have ta call ya "margrove"…. or could’ah call ya "DADDY?") shah-reeeeeeeeenks are all touchy bout that stuff, eh?  i’m gonna assume you superceded that crap, Daddy. :X ~t

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Did anyone ever experience bad headaches the first few weeks of taking Wellbutrin XL?  Not a day has gone by without one.  They are resistant to 800 mg. of ibuprophen too.  I even went to my ENT and he gave me antibiotics and pain meds. He wants me to have a CT scan, I had it scheduled then my husband got the flu and since my son totalled my car I had to cancel.  I will try to get it done this Friday, my husband’s day off.  It really doesn’t feel like a sinus headache, and believe me, I know what they are after 20 years of suffering.  I have a past history of migraines and wonder about that.  I did read on the pamphlet the pharmacist gave me with the Wellbutrin that headaches and worsened anxiety can be common side effects but will usually go  away.  I see the Pdoc NP today at 5pm and I will ask her.  Just wondering if anyone here has had this experience or am I just wierd?  Thanks for listening. Vicki

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Did anyone ever experience bad headaches the first few weeks of taking Wellbutrin XL?

that stuff gave me anxiety out tha ying yang.  and made me vomit, hurl, puke’n DIE. WELBUTRIN IS EVIL AND MUST BE DESTROYED ! (it’s also cleverly disguised "zyban"… so if ya wanna smoke, yer screwed.) ~t

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I had horrible headaches for about the first 2-3 weeks on Wellbutrin. I found that if I kept myself hydrated and avoided caffinated products the headaches were much less intense. After a couple of weeks they went away entirely

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Did anyone ever experience bad headaches the first few weeks of taking Wellbutrin XL?  Not a day has gone by without one.

headaches as well as al kinds of side effects can be caused by almost any medication. Wellbutrin is a potent drug that activates some amines that may be responsible to cause migraines in some people, so it is possible this is a possible culprit 800 mg. of ibuprophen too.

migraines rarely respond to ibuprophen when full blown-other drugs work better I believe you mentioned on asapm ( I cannot respond there, moderators or something) your ent administered antibiotics, so he would have reason  to believe you needed them so it may be that his examination indicated you do have a sinus condition that may be an acute infection or some other possible condition like polyps or an obstructed sinus-hence the ct scan-headaches can be caused by all kinds of things, they are a symptoms per se, so allergy, diet, stress, depression or your current meds, hormones, sleep etc all may be contributory. Ask your ent if using a steroid spray may help this along, as well as trying an antihistamine like allegra etc.. Migraine drugs are either abortive or prophylactic, there are many you could try if this is indeed migraine. Migraine is typically pain localized around one eye, you have sensitivity to light, sound and feel nausea, it worsens when you excert yourself or bend your head downward-it may be preceded by an auro of some kind usually visual, sometimes a mood change-and can last for days, or be daily. Sinus headaches can mimic migraine, but the tell is usually congestion and discharge as well as pain focused at the sinus site-facial pain, pain when you press on tissue around any of the sinus cavities-if wellbutrin is kicking them off, it is a roll of the dice if they will go away-weren’t you on wellbutrin before? You could ask your pdoc if you can skip one dose of wellbutrin to see if the pain goes away within 12 hours or so -ask about using an ice pack or heating pad on your face – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -and pain meds. He wants me to have a CT scan, I had it scheduled then my husband got the flu and since my son totalled my car I had to cancel.  I will try to get it done this Friday, my husband’s day off.  It really doesn’t feel like a sinus headache, and believe me, I know what they are after 20 years of suffering.  I have a past history of migraines and wonder about that.  I did read on the pamphlet the pharmacist gave me with the Wellbutrin that headaches and worsened anxiety can be common side effects but will usually go  away.  I see the Pdoc NP today at 5pm and I will ask her.  Just wondering if anyone here has had this experience or am I just wierd?  Thanks for listening. Vicki

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OT: Question of the day…. 3/03/06

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods? Jackie ~*~It was not . . . that she was unaware of the frayed and ragged edges of life. She would merely iron them out with a firm hand and neatly hem them down~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Definitely my Ativan!  <bg Di

3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods? Jackie

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods? Jackie ~*~It was not . . . that she was unaware of the frayed and ragged edges of life. She would merely iron them out with a firm hand and neatly hem them down~*~ —

Meds, and lots of sex . Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods? Jackie ~*~It was not . . . that she was unaware of the frayed and ragged edges of life. She would merely iron them out with a firm hand and neatly hem them down~*~

1. Meds 2. CBT 3. Doing a lot of work on my self esteem. (also using some CBT) Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods?

A combo of CBT and medication. Philip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Meds, and lots of sex .

Woo-hoooo, Dawn!  You go, grrrl.   xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods?

Meds. I’ve never had CBT, but I’d like to. Also exercise is a great stress reliever, and it helps me sleep at night. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Geez, Dawn, you never cease to amaze me with your responses!!! smiles, Elise

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Mainly the right meds. smiles, Elise

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What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods?

Man, I wish *something* helped. LOL. So far no luck. I would say the only thing keeping me together right now is listening to music, so that might qualify as a natural method. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods? Jackie

I have no idea at all. Before I took meds and went to therapy, I was a basket case 24/7 and wanted to die. Now I’m a basket case only now and then, and I’m not keen on dying just yet. I know that during the period when I was getting only meds and not therapy, I felt worse than I do when I have both. Deirdre — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods? Jackie ~*~It was not . . . that she was unaware of the frayed and ragged edges of life. She would merely iron them out with a firm hand and neatly hem them down~*~

Definitely medication has done the most.  I would be in bad shape without Inderal What qualifies as a natural method – yoga?  I would like to try something like that too! — _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods? Jackie ~*~It was not . . . that she was unaware of the frayed and ragged edges of life. She would merely iron them out with a firm hand and neatly hem them down~*~

Combination of meds and CBT. Steve. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods? Man, I wish *something* helped. LOL. So far no luck. I would say the only thing keeping me together right now is listening to music, so that might qualify as a natural method.

What kind of music do you listen to, Ian? BTW I checked Norah Jones’ CD "Come Away with Me" out of the library yesterday. Pretty mellow music. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Meds and getting back to my faith Lobo — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Lobo, I have to agree with my faith.  I totally didn’t think to put that down but my faith has gotten me through many bad times. smiles, Elise

Meds and getting back to my faith Lobo — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What kind of music do you listen to, Ian?

Listening to Frank Zappa tribute covers right now, and have spent the last few days immersed in the Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia Band. I grew up with the Cure and the Smiths, have grown to appreciate Wedding Present and Can, the Who, the Beatles, John McLaughlin … and of course Gong, who I love. Also a big fan of punk rock. Some people watch TV, I listen to music.  Also getting into Hector Berlioz at the moment, the Symphonie Fantasique (sp), which suits my mood at times. Been a really crummy day, on all fronts, and I’m stressed out like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs, not to mention I can’t fall asleep. I’ve been up for two days, and the insomnia is getting worse. Holy crap. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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3/03/06: Todays question is being brought to you by our very own Russ What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, medication, or natural methods?

The biggest help to me was Cognitive behavioural therapy. I think meds helped but I was in such bad shape that meds were necessary. Meditation, good diet and exercise have also helped me. Vanessa — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::What has helped you the most with your anxiety/panic/depression etc….CBT, ::medication, or natural methods? CBT & paxil & support groups. Jackie ~*~It was not . . . that she was unaware of the frayed and ragged edges of life. She would merely iron them out with a firm hand and neatly hem them down~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What kind of music do you listen to, Ian? Listening to Frank Zappa tribute covers right now, and have spent the last few days immersed in the Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia Band. I grew up with the Cure and the Smiths, have grown to appreciate Wedding Present and Can, the Who, the Beatles, John McLaughlin … and of course Gong, who I love. Also a big fan of punk rock. Some people watch TV, I listen to music.  Also getting into Hector Berlioz at the moment, the Symphonie Fantasique (sp), which suits my mood at times.

I have a few pieces of music by Berlioz. Strange guy. The only instrument he could play was the guitar. Yet he revolutionized the orchestra. Been a really crummy day, on all fronts, and I’m stressed out like a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs, not to mention I can’t fall asleep. I’ve been up for two days, and the insomnia is getting worse. Holy crap.

What do you attribute the insomnia to, Ian? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I have a few pieces of music by Berlioz. Strange guy. The only instrument he could play was the guitar. Yet he revolutionized the orchestra.

After learning a bit about him, he’s a hero of mine. He wrote that symphony for a woman he was desperately in love with, and actually ended up marrying her much later on, even if the marriage didn’t go well. A true Romantic composer, in both senses of the word. What do you attribute the insomnia to, Ian?

Not so much not being able to go to sleep, but not wanting to. Probably mania of some sort. Manic episodes are very strange, because you don’t tend to notice them until it’s already too late to reverse the process. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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i love frank zappa, mclaughlin, and the beatles. never cared for the dead. during my teen years, i also listened to the cure and the smiths. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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i love frank zappa, mclaughlin, and the beatles. never cared for the dead. during my teen years, i also listened to the cure and the smiths.

Neat! It’s taken a long time to stop being a die-hard Cure fan, and my loyalty to them is in place (to the point of still planning a Cure website), but I don’t really put the old CDs in anymore. Lately I’ve really been digging the Carlos Santana / John McLaughlin collaborations, especially Live Divine, where they do a terrific cover of "Love Supreme", lasting twenty or so minutes. In the last few years I’ve craved long songs, which is very unpunk of me, but stuff like Coltrane’s hour-long "My Favorite Things" live in Japan, or the Allman’s thirty-minute "Mountain Jam" … ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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What do you attribute the insomnia to, Ian? Not so much not being able to go to sleep, but not wanting to. Probably mania of some sort. Manic episodes are very strange, because you don’t tend to notice them until it’s already too late to reverse the process.

Are you going to contact your psychiatrist? Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Are you going to contact your psychiatrist?

Hi Chip. Just got back from seeing him. It was the most productive session I’ve ever had with him, even if it only lasted five minutes or so. He upped my Abilify, and seemed to agree with a diagnosis of mild schizophrenia. He suggested I try and enjoy my life in front of the computer, which I hadn’t considered before. Everyone is trying to get me out and about, and flipping burgers to supplement my SSDI. Perhaps it took someone to give me a break in that regard. He did notice I was anxious, and actually lowered my Lexapro, thinking that it might be the culprit. Ian — http://sundry.ws/ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Leakage at night

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well, so far  this week I have been dry.  I am on ditropan for bladder spasms, maybe that has something to do with it?  Who knows. The important, yes, so very important thing to remember is that my psa is all the way down below .01.  My cancer was detected so early that my urologist/surgeon says there is only a small chance of it ever coming back.  I can deal with many "side effects" of surgery just so long as I stay cancer free.

A bold statement by your uro, but ’tis true that you caught early.  Age 47, 2.5 PSA and 3+3=6 are all very low compared to most of us here.  There is a very good chance you beat the bastard. — Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75 PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 Non Illegitimi Carborundum

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I spoke too soon.  I was a little damp last night. Heather, it was very interesting that you mentioned ditropan as a possible reason for my issue.  The wetness at night, so I think only started after taking the ditropan.  That could be a definite factor. I’m only taking 10 mg/day.  I do feel alot better when I take the drug. Steve, My uro did give me a 10 to 15 % chance of reoccurance.  I’m going to him every 3 months for a psa check.  The more time that passes by cancer free, the better our chances become; or so they say. Thanks to all who replied with advice/comments.  I do appreciate it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, so far  this week I have been dry.  I am on ditropan for bladder spasms, maybe that has something to do with it?  Who knows. The important, yes, so very important thing to remember is that my psa is all the way down below .01.  My cancer was detected so early that my urologist/surgeon says there is only a small chance of it ever coming back.  I can deal with many "side effects" of surgery just so long as I stay cancer free. Hi all, I’m 15 months after my RRP.  PSA is under .01 and has been since my surgery! I’m 48 years old and started to have a leakage issue only at night.  It only happens maybe once or twice per week.  I wake up and my underwear is damp. During the day I’m dry.  Just have this issue during sleeping.  I started to sleep with pads on to protect myself even though I don’t have this problem every night. Does anyone else have this nightime issue?  Just curious??

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Hi all, I’m 15 months after my RRP.  PSA is under .01 and has been since my surgery! I’m 48 years old and started to have a leakage issue only at night.  It only happens maybe once or twice per week.  I wake up and my underwear is damp. During the day I’m dry.  Just have this issue during sleeping.  I started to sleep with pads on to protect myself even though I don’t have this problem every night. Does anyone else have this nightime issue?  Just curious??

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The only time I’ve had a nighttime issue is when I’m dreaming of urinating. In that case, my muscles are causing it, as opposed to leaking. — Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75 PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05 PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05 .08 Non Illegitimi Carborundum

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’m 15 months after my RRP.  PSA is under .01 and has been since my surgery! I’m 48 years old and started to have a leakage issue only at night.  It only happens maybe once or twice per week.  I wake up and my underwear is damp. During the day I’m dry.  Just have this issue during sleeping.  I started to sleep with pads on to protect myself even though I don’t have this problem every night. Does anyone else have this nightime issue?  Just curious??

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Hi all, I’m 15 months after my RRP.  PSA is under .01 and has been since my surgery! I’m 48 years old and started to have a leakage issue only at night.  It only happens maybe once or twice per week.  I wake up and my underwear is damp. During the day I’m dry.  Just have this issue during sleeping.  I started to sleep with pads on to protect myself even though I don’t have this problem every night. Does anyone else have this nightime issue?  Just curious??

My experience has been similar to Steve’s.  I’ve had 3 bedwetting incidents since I became continent in June of 2002.  Each time I was dreaming of urinating.  Might that have been possible with you?

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Hi all, I’m 15 months after my RRP.  PSA is under .01 and has been since my surgery! I’m 48 years old and started to have a leakage issue only at night.  It only happens maybe once or twice per week.  I wake up and my underwear is damp. During the day I’m dry.  Just have this issue during sleeping.  I started to sleep with pads on to protect myself even though I don’t have this problem every night. Does anyone else have this nightime issue?  Just curious??

  Could be a sex related dream? That’s when I leak. — "Don’t get me wrong…  I’m SNARKY" JK Sinrod Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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I don’t think that its related to a "wet dream".  Is it possible that the sphincter muscle is some how relaxed during sleeping and doesn’t function well at night?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t think that its related to a "wet dream".  Is it possible that the sphincter muscle is some how relaxed during sleeping and doesn’t function well at night? Hi all, I’m 15 months after my RRP.  PSA is under .01 and has been since my surgery! I’m 48 years old and started to have a leakage issue only at night.  It only happens maybe once or twice per week.  I wake up and my underwear is damp. During the day I’m dry.  Just have this issue during sleeping.  I started to sleep with pads on to protect myself even though I don’t have this problem every night. Does anyone else have this nightime issue?  Just curious??

A urologist would have to answer that, but there might be something there. When I was getting continent, and I changed position, I had to *think* about "holding it" as I changed position.  Otherwise, I would start leaking. After a while, however, I didnt have to think about it anymore.

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I don’t think that its related to a "wet dream".  Is it possible that the sphincter muscle is some how relaxed during sleeping and doesn’t function well at night?

  The mystery has always been why we didn’t/don’t leak at night in a prone position. Even when leaking like a faucet, I never once wet the bed. — "Don’t get me wrong…  I’m SNARKY" JK Sinrod Sinrod Stained Glass Studios www.sinrodstudios.com Coney Island Memories www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

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I don’t think that its related to a "wet dream".  Is it possible that the sphincter muscle is some how relaxed during sleeping and doesn’t function well at night?

I imagine all our muscles relax at night.  But, at night, we have gravity working for us.

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well, so far  this week I have been dry.  I am on ditropan for bladder spasms, maybe that has something to do with it?  Who knows. The important, yes, so very important thing to remember is that my psa is all the way down below .01.  My cancer was detected so early that my urologist/surgeon says there is only a small chance of it ever coming back.  I can deal with many "side effects" of surgery just so long as I stay cancer free.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’m 15 months after my RRP.  PSA is under .01 and has been since my surgery! I’m 48 years old and started to have a leakage issue only at night.  It only happens maybe once or twice per week.  I wake up and my underwear is damp. During the day I’m dry.  Just have this issue during sleeping.  I started to sleep with pads on to protect myself even though I don’t have this problem every night. Does anyone else have this nightime issue?  Just curious??

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It most likely is the ditropan that is doing this.  I take it for both bladder spasms and for the inevitable leakage due to childbearing!! Other than surgery, that is about all we women can do.  Works well for me re the spasms…..and pretty good on the other as long as I don’t have a laughing or coughing fit.  (G) Btw…if you suffer from a *dry mouth*, that is the primary side effect of ditropan….just so you know. Congratulations on your PSA level!! Heather

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, so far  this week I have been dry.  I am on ditropan for bladder spasms, maybe that has something to do with it?  Who knows. The important, yes, so very important thing to remember is that my psa is all the way down below .01.  My cancer was detected so early that my urologist/surgeon says there is only a small chance of it ever coming back.  I can deal with many "side effects" of surgery just so long as I stay cancer free. Hi all, I’m 15 months after my RRP.  PSA is under .01 and has been since my surgery! I’m 48 years old and started to have a leakage issue only at night. It only happens maybe once or twice per week.  I wake up and my underwear is damp. During the day I’m dry.  Just have this issue during sleeping.  I started to sleep with pads on to protect myself even though I don’t have this problem every night. Does anyone else have this nightime issue?  Just curious??

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Hello… Rheumy Apointment Tommrow

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what book?  what’s tha name of that book.  the name escapes me at tha moment, did you order it online?  or from where did ya obtain this forthcomin’ book?  (books ordered online or even in tha mall take 2-3 days) so i’m sure it’s in front of ya as we speak… i’d like ta know tha name of it, i’m in’ah tax crunch muhself.  (yer so helpful !)

Stand Up To The Irs by Frederick W. Daily (2001) Won it on a ebay auction that ended 4 days ago… waiting for it to arive… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jamie?  you didn’t order no book, yer playin both ends aginst that middle ta gain our "confidence" on tha primrose path ya THINK yer leadin’ us… well, ME… down.  i don’t buy it.  it’s horseshit, ROY !

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That’s all I have to offer.  I didn’t go to med school, and your doctor did, so his opinion is of more value, and don’t forget to consider your own as well.  Have you been evaluated by a chronic pain specialist? You may want

to There is only one pain specialist that I could find in this area, and last I checked, he was not accepting new paients.  So I would end up driving atleast 50 miles for each appointment to see a pain specialist, if there is one accepting paients in green bay.  Not unthinkable,, but I didn’t know if it was really necessary.  Sounds like it might be a good idea. I have been taking 15-20mg total a day as needed of hydrocodone for about 5 weeks now.  Thus far, it has helped my energy, and it has helped the way I feel quite a bit.  It reduces my over all pain, by perhaps 2 points with the dose I am taking (5mg a atime right now). Overall in the past month, I have been able to do much more than I was able to do the month prior to starting the hydrocodone.  I have to say that my function level has deffinatly improved, if it will stay improved long term or not, that in another question…  Plus, I still have pain that is not controaled, I mean it is all helped by the hydrocodone, but just not quite controaled well enough. I will look into seeing about finding a pain specialist that I can get in to see.  I feel like I should go with what my primary care suggests, since he has always been good to me, and he has always had my best intrest at heart. Based on my primarys suggestion, I am going to politely decline the use of a tca at this point in time if that topic comes up with the rheumy. You make some very good points gary, and I guess it comes down to if I am one of the people that are helped, and it increases what I can do and such, then there is not reason not to continue with the treatment that works. I will let you know how this afternoons apointment goes, and I will let you know what I can find in terms of a pain managment specialist. If all else fails, I know that there are some good doctors out at mass general hospital in boston…  My aunt is the Director of peds (I believe that is still the largest childerns hospital in the us) out there, but she does know some of the adult docs also.  Since she runs the pediatric hospital, I am sure she could get me in to see the best doctors on staff there (even though I would have to see the adult pratice docs ofcourse)……if it comes to that. Thanks, Jamie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – consider that prior to forging ahead with some opiate.  I am not anti-opiate at all, but I am starting to become anti "long-term" opiate, to be honest. I think any of them are OK to use for a week or so. G Hi All! Sorry I have not been on the computer much in the past 2 weeks.  I have just found stuff to do around the house and such.  I am finally getting my carpet cleaned up the rest of the way from my back porch (if you remember back, it was heaivly stained (and orders) from the dogs).  I have acomplished several other smaller projects around the house as well. As far as how med stuff is going,, I am still in a fair amount of pain, presumable from Fibro, and my Asthma is acting up. For The asthma, I started using some flovent, inhaled steroid.  I am not sure it is doing enough yet.  I am a bit concerned, and my end up going into my asthma specialst if this asthma crap keeps up.  I started using nasal sprays again to try and cut down on any allgeric reactions that might be making asthma worse. Mood / depression has not been much of a problem.  Some anxeity, but I have delt with it.  I have kept myself out of stressful / anxeity producing situations pretty well, and I am doing well for now.  I don’t know how this will translate long term (i.e. work, etc.), but for now it is working… Going on the asumption that my ssdi is comming, I have been able to relax a bit.  I am planing on using that money to help me get everything strightened out, i.e. taxes, etc.  I did order that book that was suggested to me, and it should be here soon. Thing I am a little anxious about right now, is my doctors apointment tommrow.  I am seeing the rheumy that diagnosised my fibro.  I get the impression that he really wants to put me on a pschyc med of some kind. I have a couple issues with it, 1. I am doing well emotionally without one. 2. I am so so glad not to have the side effects from the pschyc meds bugging me anymore.  3. All the meds I have tried seem to cause a number of side effects, and I don’t get from other trearments for pain (i.e. pain killers). I even tried some wellbutrin back last month for a while, and even at 150mg, I thought it made me more anxious, and screwed with my sleep, so I stoped taking it. The rheumy suggeted taking a TCA, I did consider this option quite carefully, and some of you here helped answer many of my questions about it. I brough this up with my regular doctor, and he does not want me to use a tca.  He said it should be a very very last resort options for me.  He said that because I have a history of asthma and sensitivty to dry mouth, and urinary hesitation / retention (had to use alpha blockers in the past, due to the severaty of the urinary problem  i.e. doxizosin,, flomax type products), and he thinks that it would be a really bad idea to try a tca. My thoughts over all are this, If my pain is controaled, I do much much better.  I rarely have trouble with sleep now.  If I take a pain killer at night, I sleep better (Perhaps this is helping PLMD, but nothing else I tried ever helped it, and I did try a number of things), and I am more refreshed in the day.  I have been handling my mood well as I mentioned. Also, the pain killers I have tried thus far, have not shown to have any amount of side effects at all, virtually none.  Some of them have even helped a lot with ibs when I take them. I have been told that taking pain killers long term is a bad idea, and I don’t want to do it if I don’t have to.  However, I am just looking at this from the stand point: Painkillers help 10X more than anything else I have ever tried::: Tried many many other things that didn’t work, and my doc doesnt want me to try the TCA, for what sounds to me like fairly decent reasons. So, do I ask for pain managment with pain killers that have very few side effects (almost none other than the fact that they are pain killers and I guess that is supose to not be the best thing to do for long term…) or do I forge ahead and go against my regular doctors advice and use a TCA like the rheumy wants? or some other off-label treatment that the rheumy wants to try…??? So sorry to ramble on here…  This is just what I stuck in my head for the evening since my apointment is tommrow. Any comments and suggestions are welcome… And Thank You again to all of thoes who have helped me in the past on this subject, I was ready to try a tca at a small dose as margrove had suggested, but as mentioned, my regular doc is really against it. Jamie

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Hi All! Sorry I have not been on the computer much in the past 2 weeks.  I have just found stuff to do around the house and such.  I am finally getting my carpet cleaned up the rest of the way from my back porch (if you remember back, it was heaivly stained (and orders) from the dogs).  I have acomplished several other smaller projects around the house as well.

sounds ta me like yer pain took’ah flyin’ leap there for awhile, eh? As far as how med stuff is going,, I am still in a fair amount of pain, presumable from Fibro, and my Asthma is acting up. For The asthma, I started using some flovent, inhaled steroid.  I am not sure it is doing enough yet.  I am a bit concerned, and my end up going into my asthma specialst if this asthma crap keeps up.  I started using nasal sprays again to try and cut down on any allgeric reactions that might be making asthma worse.

how bout namin’ tha stuff that AIN’T wrong with ya.  let’s cut this meetin’ short. is there a specialist ya DON’T see?  do all these docs KNOW yer seein’ all these other docs?  cuz my doctors, when on controlled meds, make me sign a contract to see no one BUT them and get my meds filled at ONE pharmacy.  (uhhhhh, i didn’t do that pharmacy thing once and saw another doctor after my shop was broken into… along with the 2 other drug stores in town and mind you it was FRONT PAGE NEWS in that podunk town, TOLD their whole office i had ta have my stolen adderal/xanax replaced and had em scripted with another doctor, TOLD em i had em filled at another pharmacy and he STILL refused ta treat me after i was so fuckin bold ta replace muh meds with his knowledge….  and this is documented shit, police reports, newspaper headlines…tha whole kaboodle)…. so lemme ask ya sumthin, Jamie…. HOW’S THAT DOCTOR SHOPPIN’ WORKIN’ FOR YA?  and WHAT tha HELL’RE YOU THINKIN’? (and tell my ass these docs know about one another.  g’on… lie to me, baby !! ) i’m gonna give ya some advice, unsolicited…. READY?  (god, yer gonna thank me later)… Mood / depression has not been much of a problem.  Some anxeity, but I have delt with it.  I have kept myself out of stressful / anxeity producing situations pretty well, and I am doing well for now.  I don’t know how this will translate long term (i.e. work, etc.), but for now it is working…

yer usin’ an "i’m a model patient" and don’t need these particular meds" theory to deter theses docs from yer real agenda.  YOU know it, I know it, and GARY knows it, he just ain’t gonna admit it. (well, i’m BETTIN’ he knows it anyway) Going on the asumption that my ssdi is comming, I have been able to relax a bit.  I am planing on using that money to help me get everything strightened out, i.e. taxes, etc.  I did order that book that was suggested to me, and it should be here soon.

what book?  what’s tha name of that book.  the name escapes me at tha moment, did you order it online?  or from where did ya obtain this forthcomin’ book?  (books ordered online or even in tha mall take 2-3 days) so i’m sure it’s in front of ya as we speak… i’d like ta know tha name of it, i’m in’ah tax crunch muhself.  (yer so helpful !) Jamie?  you didn’t order no book, yer playin both ends aginst that middle ta gain our "confidence" on tha primrose path ya THINK yer leadin’ us… well, ME… down.  i don’t buy it.  it’s horseshit, ROY ! lemme guess… controlled meds are next and trust me… .i do NOT read ahead. CALL VEGAS ! Thing I am a little anxious about right now, is my doctors apointment tommrow.  I am seeing the rheumy that diagnosised my fibro.  I get the impression that he really wants to put me on a pschyc med of some kind.  I have a couple issues with it, 1. I am doing well emotionally without one. 2. I am so so glad not to have the side effects from the pschyc meds bugging me anymore.  3. All the meds I have tried seem to cause a number of side effects, and I don’t get from other trearments for pain (i.e. pain killers).

SEVENNNNNNNNN cum ah’leven, baby needs’ah new pair’ah shoes.  i’m tha KLING KLANG KING FROM THA RIM RAM ROOM ! BAM, BABY ! of course ya don’t have side effects from psych meds.  it’s tha perfect golden op ta throw in how FORTUNATE y’are not ta have that crap buggin ya no more, and thank GOD tha only ones that don’t have side effects are opiates. why ya need pain killers?  ya been doin just fine cleanin’ yer house and doin’ physical labor… whaddup? I even tried some wellbutrin back last month for a while, and even at 150mg, I thought it made me more anxious, and screwed with my sleep, so I stoped taking it.

oh yes, which is PROOF you can and are willin’ ta stop medications el pronto.   translation: "see, doctor?  i am NOT an addict." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rheumy suggeted taking a TCA, I did consider this option quite carefully, and some of you here helped answer many of my questions about it. I brough this up with my regular doctor, and he does not want me to use a tca.  He said it should be a very very last resort options for me.  He said that because I have a history of asthma and sensitivty to dry mouth, and urinary hesitation / retention (had to use alpha blockers in the past, due to the severaty of the urinary problem  i.e. doxizosin,, flomax type products), and he thinks that it would be a really bad idea to try a tca. My thoughts over all are this, If my pain is controaled, I do much much better.  I rarely have trouble with sleep now.  If I take a pain killer at night, I sleep better (Perhaps this is helping PLMD, but nothing else I tried ever helped it, and I did try a number of things), and I am more refreshed in the day.  I have been handling my mood well as I mentioned. Also, the pain killers I have tried thus far, have not shown to have any amount of side effects at all, virtually none.  Some of them have even helped a lot with ibs when I take them.

yanno?  i was on 300 mgs of opiates (lortab/lorcet) a day for almost 2 years and didn’t go thru all THAT bullshit ta get em.  AND i didn’t need validation nor was i in that river in egypt, i was just stupid. nobody believes i was on that much, and i don’t either but i was and that’s on a non-party day, Jamie… so it… AIN’T MY FIRST FUGGIN’ DAY ! NOW … Gary’s tha med expert along with Philip, Elliott, Meryl, etc. but HERE is where i SHINE LIKE A FUCKIN’ ANGEL !  k?  k. yer handlin’ yer moods well, so ya don’t need no mood shit… yer oh… ya need pain shit.  (even though ya do more physical labor’n me’n half muh friends, but DON’T MIND ME, i’m just here for tha free donuts.) now Jamie?  yanno what opiates are good for?  SHORT term pain…  like dental surgery or havin’ yer leg cut off in’ah wood chipper accident…. and whatever relief yer gettin’ after’ah week or so is from that 500 mg of ibuprophen in them thangs and YER DOIN CHORES SO DO YA EVEN NEED THAT? boyyyyyyyy, am i gonna get shit for THIS post. see, Jamie… i’m a fuckin’ opiate shopper from hell, i know all tha tricks.  why?  cuz i had to, not cuz i was "real aware" i was developin’ em. face it, Jamie…  yer tryin’ ta convince yerself… cuz ya ain’t convincin’ me’ah shit.  i can’t speak for others. but i’ll tell ya one thing : i ain’t gotta DAMN thang aginst doin yer thang, and havin’ no shame in yer game.  shit…  i get fucked up with tha best of em still… my doctor even knew it.  so lookie here…yer not gettin validation or "tips" for drug shoppin’ here…. at least from me… yer game is all too transparent. NOW… if skeezin’ opiates makes ya cum, fine.  cum in muh ass, my mouth, my hoo hoo, but do NOT cum in muh hair, i just washed it. translation: KEEP IT REAL, REAL I CAN HANDLE… but don’t insult me havin’ tha audacity ta think i won’t notice when ya choose ta have’ah tidy lil agenda ya think is the least noticeable.   just STEP UP and slam it !  tha little prim’n proper crap don’t get it.  i notice that stuff.  and i don’t like washin’ muh hair twice. I have been told that taking pain killers long term is a bad idea, and I don’t want to do it if I don’t have to.  However, I am just looking at this from the stand point: Painkillers help 10X more than anything else I have ever tried::: Tried many many other things that didn’t work,

except physical labor. now get real or sit tha fuck down, shut tha fuck up and GET THA FUCK OUT ! and my doc doesnt want me to try the TCA, for what sounds to me like fairly decent reasons. So, do I ask for pain managment with pain killers that have very few side effects (almost none other than the fact that they are pain killers and I guess that is supose to not be the best thing to do for long term…) or do I forge ahead and go against my regular doctors advice and use a TCA like the rheumy wants? or some other off-label treatment that the rheumy wants to try…??? So sorry to ramble on here…  This is just what I stuck in my head for the evening since my apointment is tommrow.

SURE… try’n getchur fix.  if not?  there’s ALways……(mistah Big.) YO YO, SPOON ! Any comments and suggestions are welcome… And Thank You again to all of thoes who have helped me in the past on this subject, I was ready to try a tca at a small dose as margrove had suggested, but as mentioned, my regular doc is really against it.

just redeem yerself…  call’ah spade’ah spade. ~t

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Only you and a physician who you have a therapeutic and professional alliance with – only that combo can make the decision about "painkillers" (am assuming you refer to opiates such as hydrocodone, oxycodone, etc..). They are excellent – for a while.  What happens though, is that tolerance develops, and then more mgs. per dose are required.  This is the scenario that occurs with daily use.  Or, you stay comfortable at a certain level, but that basically means that the drug is only keeping you from going into withdrawal – that’s my take on it.  I’ve met people on chronic long-term opiate "pain-management", but their lives invariably were going nowhere fast.  Maybe I am wrong about it all, but that is my definite impression about the whole thing.  Of note, I recently stopped using hydrocodone after 60 days of continuous use, and I tapered it down to 5 mgs/day prior to stopping it.  Not pleasant…Possibly biases my view…. My shrink says that there are a "few" people who do seem to do well on an opiate, and feel normal, and whose functional level improves, but that they are rare. That’s all I have to offer.  I didn’t go to med school, and your doctor did, so his opinion is of more value, and don’t forget to consider your own as well.  Have you been evaluated by a chronic pain specialist? You may want to consider that prior to forging ahead with some opiate.  I am not anti-opiate at all, but I am starting to become anti "long-term" opiate, to be honest. I think any of them are OK to use for a week or so. G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All! Sorry I have not been on the computer much in the past 2 weeks.  I have just found stuff to do around the house and such.  I am finally getting my carpet cleaned up the rest of the way from my back porch (if you remember back, it was heaivly stained (and orders) from the dogs).  I have acomplished several other smaller projects around the house as well. As far as how med stuff is going,, I am still in a fair amount of pain, presumable from Fibro, and my Asthma is acting up. For The asthma, I started using some flovent, inhaled steroid.  I am not sure it is doing enough yet.  I am a bit concerned, and my end up going into my asthma specialst if this asthma crap keeps up.  I started using nasal sprays again to try and cut down on any allgeric reactions that might be making asthma worse. Mood / depression has not been much of a problem.  Some anxeity, but I have delt with it.  I have kept myself out of stressful / anxeity producing situations pretty well, and I am doing well for now.  I don’t know how this will translate long term (i.e. work, etc.), but for now it is working… Going on the asumption that my ssdi is comming, I have been able to relax a bit.  I am planing on using that money to help me get everything strightened out, i.e. taxes, etc.  I did order that book that was suggested to me, and it should be here soon. Thing I am a little anxious about right now, is my doctors apointment tommrow.  I am seeing the rheumy that diagnosised my fibro.  I get the impression that he really wants to put me on a pschyc med of some kind.  I have a couple issues with it, 1. I am doing well emotionally without one. 2. I am so so glad not to have the side effects from the pschyc meds bugging me anymore.  3. All the meds I have tried seem to cause a number of side effects, and I don’t get from other trearments for pain (i.e. pain killers). I even tried some wellbutrin back last month for a while, and even at 150mg, I thought it made me more anxious, and screwed with my sleep, so I stoped taking it. The rheumy suggeted taking a TCA, I did consider this option quite carefully, and some of you here helped answer many of my questions about it. I brough this up with my regular doctor, and he does not want me to use a tca.  He said it should be a very very last resort options for me.  He said that because I have a history of asthma and sensitivty to dry mouth, and urinary hesitation / retention (had to use alpha blockers in the past, due to the severaty of the urinary problem  i.e. doxizosin,, flomax type products), and he thinks that it would be a really bad idea to try a tca. My thoughts over all are this, If my pain is controaled, I do much much better.  I rarely have trouble with sleep now.  If I take a pain killer at night, I sleep better (Perhaps this is helping PLMD, but nothing else I tried ever helped it, and I did try a number of things), and I am more refreshed in the day.  I have been handling my mood well as I mentioned. Also, the pain killers I have tried thus far, have not shown to have any amount of side effects at all, virtually none.  Some of them have even helped a lot with ibs when I take them. I have been told that taking pain killers long term is a bad idea, and I don’t want to do it if I don’t have to.  However, I am just looking at this from the stand point: Painkillers help 10X more than anything else I have ever tried::: Tried many many other things that didn’t work, and my doc doesnt want me to try the TCA, for what sounds to me like fairly decent reasons. So, do I ask for pain managment with pain killers that have very few side effects (almost none other than the fact that they are pain killers and I guess that is supose to not be the best thing to do for long term…) or do I forge ahead and go against my regular doctors advice and use a TCA like the rheumy wants? or some other off-label treatment that the rheumy wants to try…??? So sorry to ramble on here…  This is just what I stuck in my head for the evening since my apointment is tommrow. Any comments and suggestions are welcome… And Thank You again to all of thoes who have helped me in the past on this subject, I was ready to try a tca at a small dose as margrove had suggested, but as mentioned, my regular doc is really against it. Jamie

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Hi All! Sorry I have not been on the computer much in the past 2 weeks.  I have just found stuff to do around the house and such.  I am finally getting my carpet cleaned up the rest of the way from my back porch (if you remember back, it was heaivly stained (and orders) from the dogs).  I have acomplished several other smaller projects around the house as well. As far as how med stuff is going,, I am still in a fair amount of pain, presumable from Fibro, and my Asthma is acting up. For The asthma, I started using some flovent, inhaled steroid.  I am not sure it is doing enough yet.  I am a bit concerned, and my end up going into my asthma specialst if this asthma crap keeps up.  I started using nasal sprays again to try and cut down on any allgeric reactions that might be making asthma worse. Mood / depression has not been much of a problem.  Some anxeity, but I have delt with it.  I have kept myself out of stressful / anxeity producing situations pretty well, and I am doing well for now.  I don’t know how this will translate long term (i.e. work, etc.), but for now it is working… Going on the asumption that my ssdi is comming, I have been able to relax a bit.  I am planing on using that money to help me get everything strightened out, i.e. taxes, etc.  I did order that book that was suggested to me, and it should be here soon. Thing I am a little anxious about right now, is my doctors apointment tommrow.  I am seeing the rheumy that diagnosised my fibro.  I get the impression that he really wants to put me on a pschyc med of some kind.  I have a couple issues with it, 1. I am doing well emotionally without one. 2. I am so so glad not to have the side effects from the pschyc meds bugging me anymore.  3. All the meds I have tried seem to cause a number of side effects, and I don’t get from other trearments for pain (i.e. pain killers). I even tried some wellbutrin back last month for a while, and even at 150mg, I thought it made me more anxious, and screwed with my sleep, so I stoped taking it. The rheumy suggeted taking a TCA, I did consider this option quite carefully, and some of you here helped answer many of my questions about it. I brough this up with my regular doctor, and he does not want me to use a tca.  He said it should be a very very last resort options for me.  He said that because I have a history of asthma and sensitivty to dry mouth, and urinary hesitation / retention (had to use alpha blockers in the past, due to the severaty of the urinary problem  i.e. doxizosin,, flomax type products), and he thinks that it would be a really bad idea to try a tca. My thoughts over all are this, If my pain is controaled, I do much much better.  I rarely have trouble with sleep now.  If I take a pain killer at night, I sleep better (Perhaps this is helping PLMD, but nothing else I tried ever helped it, and I did try a number of things), and I am more refreshed in the day.  I have been handling my mood well as I mentioned. Also, the pain killers I have tried thus far, have not shown to have any amount of side effects at all, virtually none.  Some of them have even helped a lot with ibs when I take them. I have been told that taking pain killers long term is a bad idea, and I don’t want to do it if I don’t have to.  However, I am just looking at this from the stand point: Painkillers help 10X more than anything else I have ever tried::: Tried many many other things that didn’t work, and my doc doesnt want me to try the TCA, for what sounds to me like fairly decent reasons. So, do I ask for pain managment with pain killers that have very few side effects (almost none other than the fact that they are pain killers and I guess that is supose to not be the best thing to do for long term…) or do I forge ahead and go against my regular doctors advice and use a TCA like the rheumy wants? or some other off-label treatment that the rheumy wants to try…??? So sorry to ramble on here…  This is just what I stuck in my head for the evening since my apointment is tommrow. Any comments and suggestions are welcome… And Thank You again to all of thoes who have helped me in the past on this subject, I was ready to try a tca at a small dose as margrove had suggested, but as mentioned, my regular doc is really against it. Jamie

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"I just wrapped up a "I’m going out of my mind" obsession. We have all probably had that one, even in the PD community." I think many probably have, yes.  The one time I did, it was medicine induced.  You are obviously not a bit out of your mind, and quite cleverly packaged the responses and quotes in the section where "reassurance" was covered in your last post – telling me that you are far from that state of affairs.  You are correct in your implication that I don’t know much about *treating* OCD, it’s not my field.  I know TONS about having it though. Let me know how the therapy went.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really, it is.  I could tell countless similar things like your library card story. Thanks for the reassurance. "BTW, assurance doesn’t help me at all." Maybe you just need your husband to lock his door for a little while (I obviously don’t *know* what you exactly need, but that might be all – from him, anyway) That didn’t help. I see a therapist today at 4:00 p.m. Hopefully he has good knowledge of OCD. He does specialize in anxiety disorders, but I hope he has a *very*good  understanding of OCD. I can’t keep up with everyone’s med profile, but I seem to recall you saying something about being unable to take SSRI’s or unable to obtain them, or something like that.  I think you also said you had some issues with bipolarity? No, Bipolar has never been officially diagnosed. I don’t meet the criteria for hypomania and definitely not mania. I will do some "useless reassurance" anyway, since it’s part of my schtick. You will not stab your husband.  Counter the thought often with something from reality, like "I know this is just symptomatology with genesis from a larger problem, it’s not about me, him, knives, locks, etc…" I will talk to my therapist about countering. Some methods work for some and other methods work for others. Distraction has been my staple so far. Not fighting the thoughts seems better for me than constantly reassuring, having the thought, reasssurance. Distraction cuts it well–that’s why at work I hardly have any problems. Have you tried headphones and relaxation tapes?  If it’s of interest to you, I have a couple very good ones, and you can email me for the specs…. Funny you say that. I am going to the store and purchase spiritual CDs. Please do stay in touch about the therapy – it is of great interest to me (for obvious reasons, having a lot of OCD issues myself) and also because I genuinely would like to hear how you’re doing, and hopefully that you are getting better with those symptoms. Thank you for your encouragement. These are the obsessive thoughts that I categorize as "very nasty" in my obsession hierarchy. Luckily they go away quickly. I just wrapped up a "I’m going out of my mind" obsession. We have all probably had that one, even in the PD community. p.s.  one book I have says that obsessions are "gymnastics of an anxious mind.  I’m not sure I totally buy into that, but maybe it has some grains…. BTW, my husband is going on a business trip next week while I stay home. It has NOTHING to do with what happened last night. This will give me some time to get down to business with the therapist and his recommendations, and give me a break from family time (not that I mind). The checking appliances thing is coming back, but I stopped it–one return trip to glance throughout the house and no more. Thank you, GFX.

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"since the OCD board is a place that personally haunts me, I read/post in a Panic Disorder forum, despite my not ever having Panic Disorder. Maybe you understand it, maybe you don’t." You can post about anxiety disordered stuff in general here, it’s not really "regulated".  People post about much, MUCH less connected things and no one seems to mind (and who cares if they do anyway? – they don’t own the internet)  Also, OCD is very related to Panic  - note that the exact same sorts of treatments are applied, give or take some benzos….Not to mention the common dual diagnoses, which are almost the rule rather than the exception, as you yourself have pointed out.  It doesn’t matter if I understand it or not, what matters is that you get better, and that we all either get better or stay better/well.  That reminds me, you don’t have to be sick to get better. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I pretty much "have to" wash my hands about 200 times a day, so I’ve had to learn what works and what doesn’t. Thanks for the advice, Gary, and I feel sympathy and understanding for your handwashing rituals. Handwashing for me is a minor compulsion, but thanks for the advice on the kind of soap to get anyway.  ; ) My compulsions are more on the checking/counting/symmetry side with repetitious rituals, and somehow they relieve the obsessive thoughts. Since Zoloft is stimulating, I’ve noticed a moderate initial increase in compulsions. This is how we relieve anxiety. I feel uncomfortable writing about my compulsions in this forum, because this is not an OCD board; and, since the OCD board is a place that personally haunts me, I read/post in a Panic Disorder forum, despite my not ever having Panic Disorder. Maybe you understand it, maybe you don’t. BTW, the obsessions of harm last night ended eventually stopped, although it was hard work for a while to concentrate on reading.

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Solely as a matter of info, I don’t have handwashing compulsions, but in order to perform my job correctly, I have to wash hands between patient contacts – this adds up fast over 8 to 12 hours.  That, over 21 years, has forced me to learn what I can use that will not leave my hands bleeding and open to infection, in the one place where it could most easily take place – a hospital. My mother has a bit of this, just a little though.  She is "mildly worried" about germ issues.  I was not allowed to have a sand box as a child, because it was "dirty".  LOL.  Maybe THAT’s what wrong with me! (laughing) Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I pretty much "have to" wash my hands about 200 times a day, so I’ve had to learn what works and what doesn’t. Thanks for the advice, Gary, and I feel sympathy and understanding for your handwashing rituals. Handwashing for me is a minor compulsion, but thanks for the advice on the kind of soap to get anyway.  ; ) My compulsions are more on the checking/counting/symmetry side with repetitious rituals, and somehow they relieve the obsessive thoughts. Since Zoloft is stimulating, I’ve noticed a moderate initial increase in compulsions. This is how we relieve anxiety. I feel uncomfortable writing about my compulsions in this forum, because this is not an OCD board; and, since the OCD board is a place that personally haunts me, I read/post in a Panic Disorder forum, despite my not ever having Panic Disorder. Maybe you understand it, maybe you don’t. BTW, the obsessions of harm last night ended eventually stopped, although it was hard work for a while to concentrate on reading.

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"I feel uncomfortable writing about my compulsions in this forum" I hope you can get past that.  There are a wealth of people in here, and as many trolls, but they are just like trash at work, you just take it out when you have time (delete button).  I have heard much of this discussed over the last couple years here, you are definitely not the only one. G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I pretty much "have to" wash my hands about 200 times a day, so I’ve had to learn what works and what doesn’t. Thanks for the advice, Gary, and I feel sympathy and understanding for your handwashing rituals. Handwashing for me is a minor compulsion, but thanks for the advice on the kind of soap to get anyway.  ; ) My compulsions are more on the checking/counting/symmetry side with repetitious rituals, and somehow they relieve the obsessive thoughts. Since Zoloft is stimulating, I’ve noticed a moderate initial increase in compulsions. This is how we relieve anxiety. I feel uncomfortable writing about my compulsions in this forum, because this is not an OCD board; and, since the OCD board is a place that personally haunts me, I read/post in a Panic Disorder forum, despite my not ever having Panic Disorder. Maybe you understand it, maybe you don’t. BTW, the obsessions of harm last night ended eventually stopped, although it was hard work for a while to concentrate on reading.

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Let me know how the therapy went.

It went very well, and I feel very calm now. He told me these are not uncommon obsessions, but that I need to learn to *break* obsessive cycles and not feed them. What happened last night is that I, being a relative novice, didn’t know squat about how to deal with scary obsessive thoughts. He also gave me a very boring book (third-rate novel) for bedtime and told me try to concentrate on the boring material because he will quiz me on it next week to make sure I have been reading it. So, I have pressure, but it’s pressure directed in another direction to break the cycle. He did, however, tell me to go ahead with the handwashing/checking *for now*, if they do not cause me consternation or too much interference (they don’t), as they are used to relieve anxiety, but we agreed that the To Do lists will be limited to two, and the appliance checking to one. We seemed to click, so I’ll read the book every night and not let it go until I am sleepy. Thanks for your answering my post. I was very worried this morning.

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Given that it’s flu season, your handwashing might just be a good thing. You may want to use a mild skin cleanser that does not contain "soap" per se, given that soap tends to be a little alkaline, vs. our slightly acidic skin pH.  A chamomile enhanced hand cream or something along those lines might be helpful too, particularly if you live in a very cold area.  A couple fairly good ones are "Elta" and "Kamille"  The whole "bleeding hands" thing is unattractive, disquieting to the person afflicted, and presents a risk for infection – defeating the whole ostensible purpose of the washing in the first place.  Cooler water instead of very warm water for handwashing is also helpful.  I’m glad you’re feeling more confident about things.  I pretty much "have to" wash my hands about 200 times a day, so I’ve had to learn what works and what doesn’t.  Tip:  Eliminate soap from your life altogether, not a bar in the entire house is ideal.  Liquid non-soap skin detergents of a mild nature are FAR better (Even inexpensive shampoo is excellent compared to soap) a) They do not irritate the skin as much b) The pH more closely matches that of the skin c)  It does not build up on your tub, shower curtain, sink, faucets, etc..eliminating a lot of need for cleaning up soap scum – can’t have soap scum if ya don’t have soap…This will cut your clean-up time down dramatically when you, or your housekeeper cleans your house.  Time is such an irreplaceable resource….. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let me know how the therapy went. It went very well, and I feel very calm now. He told me these are not uncommon obsessions, but that I need to learn to *break* obsessive cycles and not feed them. What happened last night is that I, being a relative novice, didn’t know squat about how to deal with scary obsessive thoughts. He also gave me a very boring book (third-rate novel) for bedtime and told me try to concentrate on the boring material because he will quiz me on it next week to make sure I have been reading it. So, I have pressure, but it’s pressure directed in another direction to break the cycle. He did, however, tell me to go ahead with the handwashing/checking *for now*, if they do not cause me consternation or too much interference (they don’t), as they are used to relieve anxiety, but we agreed that the To Do lists will be limited to two, and the appliance checking to one. We seemed to click, so I’ll read the book every night and not let it go until I am sleepy. Thanks for your answering my post. I was very worried this morning.

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I pretty much "have to" wash my hands about 200 times a day, so I’ve had to learn what works and what doesn’t.

Thanks for the advice, Gary, and I feel sympathy and understanding for your handwashing rituals. Handwashing for me is a minor compulsion, but thanks for the advice on the kind of soap to get anyway.  ; ) My compulsions are more on the checking/counting/symmetry side with repetitious rituals, and somehow they relieve the obsessive thoughts. Since Zoloft is stimulating, I’ve noticed a moderate initial increase in compulsions. This is how we relieve anxiety. I feel uncomfortable writing about my compulsions in this forum, because this is not an OCD board; and, since the OCD board is a place that personally haunts me, I read/post in a Panic Disorder forum, despite my not ever having Panic Disorder. Maybe you understand it, maybe you don’t. BTW, the obsessions of harm last night ended eventually stopped, although it was hard work for a while to concentrate on reading.

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Really, it is.  I could tell countless similar things like your library card story.

Thanks for the reassurance. "BTW, assurance doesn’t help me at all." Maybe you just need your husband to lock his door for a little while (I obviously don’t *know* what you exactly need, but that might be all – from him, anyway)

That didn’t help. I see a therapist today at 4:00 p.m. Hopefully he has good knowledge of OCD. He does specialize in anxiety disorders, but I hope he has a *very*good  understanding of OCD. I can’t keep up with everyone’s med profile, but I seem to recall you saying something about being unable to take SSRI’s or unable to obtain them, or something like that.  I think you also said you had some issues with bipolarity?

No, Bipolar has never been officially diagnosed. I don’t meet the criteria for hypomania and definitely not mania. I will do some "useless reassurance" anyway, since it’s part of my schtick. You will not stab your husband.  Counter the thought often with something from reality, like "I know this is just symptomatology with genesis from a larger problem, it’s not about me, him, knives, locks, etc…"

I will talk to my therapist about countering. Some methods work for some and other methods work for others. Distraction has been my staple so far. Not fighting the thoughts seems better for me than constantly reassuring, having the thought, reasssurance. Distraction cuts it well–that’s why at work I hardly have any problems. Have you tried headphones and relaxation tapes?  If it’s of interest to you, I have a couple very good ones, and you can email me for the specs….

Funny you say that. I am going to the store and purchase spiritual CDs. Please do stay in touch about the therapy – it is of great interest to me (for obvious reasons, having a lot of OCD issues myself) and also because I genuinely would like to hear how you’re doing, and hopefully that you are getting better with those symptoms.

Thank you for your encouragement. These are the obsessive thoughts that I categorize as "very nasty" in my obsession hierarchy. Luckily they go away quickly. I just wrapped up a "I’m going out of my mind" obsession. We have all probably had that one, even in the PD community. p.s.  one book I have says that obsessions are "gymnastics of an anxious mind.  I’m not sure I totally buy into that, but maybe it has some grains….

BTW, my husband is going on a business trip next week while I stay home. It has NOTHING to do with what happened last night. This will give me some time to get down to business with the therapist and his recommendations, and give me a break from family time (not that I mind). The checking appliances thing is coming back, but I stopped it–one return trip to glance throughout the house and no more. Thank you, GFX.

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"It’s hard to explain." You’re right Marie, it IS hard to explain, however people who have it, like me understand it without much explanation so it’s ok.  Really, it is.  I could tell countless similar things like your library card story. "My husband, sister, and mother confirmed that they have obsessive thoughts like these from time to time, but since they don’t have anxiety disorders, they are able to turn off the switch so to speak." Consider the possibility that some of them may just not have a diagnosis, for lack of ever having had an interview. "BTW, assurance doesn’t help me at all." Me neither, in fact it usually annoys me, if not always.  It shows a complete lack of insight and moreover, a lack of knowledge of my needs, which I’ve made clear to those who try this "assurance".  I realize they are well-intentioned, but if you are REALLY well-intentioned, you’ll listen to what the person needs.  Maybe you just need your husband to lock his door for a little while (I obviously don’t *know* what you exactly need, but that might be all – from him, anyway) I can’t keep up with everyone’s med profile, but I seem to recall you saying something about being unable to take SSRI’s or unable to obtain them, or something like that.  I think you also said you had some issues with bipolarity?  Correct whatever is wrong here, I’m just doing this "off the cuff", so to speak. All I can offer up is that it has *seemed* to me, (very much so) that the serotonin thing has a great deal to do with the successful reduction of this stuff.  (And we all know what "stuff" is a polite word for…).  Seroquel has been a hugely popular drug also.  The last place I worked in – not my favorite job ever, but did give me a glimpse of some other types of realities…..  They used a LOT of Seroquel there, and by and large the patients liked it.  It was even bought and sold on the "black market" (this was a very large correctional institution).  Its efficacy for OCD is unknown to me, however I did take some (like 25 and 50 mgs – insomnia) a few times, and had the same general results you’ve spoken of, due to dopamine loss. I will do some "useless reassurance" anyway, since it’s part of my schtick. You will not stab your husband.  Counter the thought often with something from reality, like "I know this is just symptomatology with genesis from a larger problem, it’s not about me, him, knives, locks, etc…" Have you tried headphones and relaxation tapes?  If it’s of interest to you, I have a couple very good ones, and you can email me for the specs…. I hope this doesn’t last long for you, and that your therapy goes well.  Any therapy that is not a "little bit" hard is probably not helping you that much – keep that in mind.  If they are doing more for you than they are asking you to do for yourself, they are not helping you much – you seem quite adequately insightful enough to already know that, however I just thought I’d throw it out there to make sure you heard it "one good time" as we say here in the ’southland’.  (I’m actually from NY, but hate snow, so here I am) Please do stay in touch about the therapy – it is of great interest to me (for obvious reasons, having a lot of OCD issues myself) and also because I genuinely would like to hear how you’re doing, and hopefully that you are getting better with those symptoms. Kindly, Gary p.s.  one book I have says that obsessions are "gymnastics of an anxious mind.  I’m not sure I totally buy into that, but maybe it has some grains….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last night I had a rough night. My obsessive thoughts, thankfully, change from time to time because some can be very distressing, while others are less so. My compulsions seem unrelated to my obsessions, but they include handwashing, checking, and counting, and obsessions with writing lists over and over again. There are also symmetrical obsessions, and obsessions with placing objects precisely at certain places, especially in my bedroom. There are also a lot of rituals. I spoke to my PDoc about this and thus was diagnosed OCD. No paranoia or psychotic delusions–a firm contact wih reality. I’ve always had OCD. When I was six years old, I waited months to get my library card for fear that I would not write the letter "a"  symmetrically (a letter that is part of my real name). It’s hard to explain. Anyway, last night I had a fear that I was going to wake up in the middle of the night and sleepwalk in some sort of insanity state and stab my husband. I’ve had this one for a while, but last night was rough. I asked my husband to lock his door; I thought about putting a lock in my bedroom door which locks from the outside, and locks on all my windows, but I needed to get to sleep. I even thought about chaining myself to my bed every night. He locked the door to assuage my fears, but that did not help. We sleep in different bedrooms because he snores, not because of any obsessive thoughts. I even thought about staying up all night, but I needed to be at work the next day. How many sleepless nights will solve this problem anyway? Then I began to fear the house burning down and me not being able to get out and escape if all doors and windows were locked. I finally drifted to sleep, and thank God slept well. These nights are not typical, thank God. There is no intent in doing this. That’s why the thoughts frighten me. There is a FEAR of losing control, a fear that I will go out of my mind and snap, or that I will become psychotic (fear of going crazy). These are common to even people without anxiety disorders. My husband, sister, and mother confirmed that they have obsessive thoughts like these from time to time, but since they don’t have anxiety disorders, they are able to turn off the switch so to speak. I will begin to see a therapist today, recommended by my PDoc. My PDoc told me that this was why he put me on Seroquel for bedtime. He told me that the Seroquel will blunt the obsessive thoughts (and racing thoughts, which predominate actually) to calm me down and help me sleep at night. If anyone has had similar experiences, feedback much appreciated. These are the obsessions that frighten me the most; it’s obvious why. Should I go ahead and put locks on the doors and windows? Will this feed the fear? I would like to go back to the earlier obsessions I had before–fears of the ceiling collapsing on my head and killing me at night. That one lasted about a month. It was scary, but manageable. BTW, assurance doesn’t help me at all. What helped me last night was a nice self-talk: I told myself to relax and just my close my eyes and at least rest–no self-talk about the fear itself. Before I knew it I was asleep. I did, however, see that my husband locked the door–not out of fear but to help me. That move didn’t help me at all. Sorry for the rant, but I was OCD-free for nine years. Before a respiratory infection last July, a few obsessive thoughts would creep in, but they went away in time. During the infection, they went up a few dozen notches.

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Vitamin for Depression? 1/30/06

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Please talk to your doctor first before taking any vitamins or minerals. Vitamin for Depression? From Nancy Schimelpfening,

Your Guide to Depression. A Good Vitamin Supplement Could Be Just What the Doctor Ordered Did you ever wish that you could take a vitamin for depression? Well, for some of you it may be just that simple. There are a variety of vitamin deficiencies that can lead to depression symptoms. The B-Complex Vitamins The B-complex vitamins are essential to mental and emotional well-being. They cannot be stored in our bodies, so we depend entirely on our daily diet to supply them. B vitamins are destroyed by alcohol, refined sugars, nicotine, and caffeine so it is no surprise that many people may be deficient in these. Here’s a rundown of recent finding about the relationship of B-complex vitamins to depression: This can lead to fatigue, depression, irritability, anxiety, and even thoughts of suicide. Deficiencies can also cause memory problems, loss of appetite, insomnia, and gastrointestinal disorders. The consumption of refined carbohydrates, such as simple sugars, drains the body’s B1 supply. Vitamin B3 (niacin): Pellagra-which produces psychosis and dementia, among other symptoms-was eventually found to be caused by niacin deficiency. Many commercial food products now contain niacin, and pellagra has virtually disappeared. However, subclinical deficiencies of vitamin B3 can produce agitation and anxiety, as well as mental and physical slowness. Vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid): Symptoms of deficiency are fatigue, chronic stress, and depression. Vitamin B5 is needed for hormone formation and the uptake of amino acids and the brain chemical acetylcholine, which combine to prevent certain types of depression. Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine): This vitamin aids in the processing of amino acids, which are the building blocks of all proteins and some hormones. It is needed in the manufacture of serotonin, melatonin and dopamine. Vitamin B6 deficiencies, although very rare, cause impaired immunity, skin lesions, and mental confusion. A marginal deficiency sometimes occurs in alcoholics, patients with kidney failure, and women using oral contraceptives. MAOIs, ironically, may also lead to a shortage of this vitamin. Many nutritionally oriented doctors believe that most diets do not provide optimal amounts of this vitamin. Vitamin B12: Because vitamin B12 is important to red blood cell formation, deficiency leads to an oxygen-transport problem known as pernicious anemia. This disorder can cause mood swings, paranoia, irritability, confusion, dementia, hallucinations, or mania, eventually followed by appetite loss, dizziness, weakness, shortage of breath, heart palpitations, diarrhea, and tingling sensations in the extremities. Deficiencies take a long time to develop, since the body stores a three- to five-year supply in the liver. When shortages do occur, they are often due to a lack of intrinsic factor, an enzyme that allows vitamin B12 to be absorbed in the intestinal tract. Since intrinsic factor diminishes with age, older people are more prone to B12 deficiencies. Folic acid: This B vitamin is needed for DNA synthesis. It is also necessary for the production of SAM (S-adenosyl methionine). Poor dietary habits contribute to folic acid deficiencies, as do illness, alcoholism, and various drugs, including aspirin, birth control pills, barbiturates, and anticonvulsants. It is usually administered along with vitamin B12, since a B12 deficiency can mask a folic acid deficiency. Pregnant women are often advised to take this vitamin to prevent neural tube defects in the developing fetus. http://depression.about.com/cs/diet/a/vitamin.htm Vitamin C Subclinical deficiencies can produce depression, which requires the use of supplements. Supplementation is particularly important if you have had surgery or an inflammatory disease. Stress, pregnancy, and lactation also increase the body’s need for vitamin C, while aspirin, tetracycline, and birth control pills can deplete the body’s supply. Minerals Deficiencies in a number of minerals can also cause depression. Magnesium: Deficiency can result in depressive symptoms, along with confusion, agitation, anxiety, and hallucinations, as well as a variety of physical problems. Most diets do not include enough magnesium, and stress also contributes to magnesium depletion Calcium: Depletion affects the central nervous system. Low levels of calcium cause nervousness, apprehension, irritability, and numbness. Sponsored Links Zinc: Inadequacies result in apathy, lack of appetite, and lethargy. When zinc is low, copper in the body can increase to toxic levels, resulting in paranoia and fearfulness. Iron: Depression is often a symptom of chronic iron deficiency. Other symptoms include general weakness, listlessness, exhaustion, lack of appetite, and headaches. Manganese: This metal is needed for proper use of the B-complex vitamins and vitamin C. Since it also plays a role in amino-acid formation, a deficiency may contribute to depression stemming from low levels of the neurotransmitters serotonin and norepinephrine. Manganese also helps stabilize blood sugar and prevent hypoglycemic mood swings. Potassium: Depletion is frequently associated with depression, tearfulness, weakness, and fatigue. http://depression.about.com/cs/diet/a/vitamin_2.htm Jackie ~*~Do unto others as though you were the others~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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My desk ate my bottle of Centrum Silver multiple vitamins/minerals. It was right… here… one day, and gone the next. Poof. Maybe that’s why I’m so frickin down. <pounding fists on desk COUGH ‘EM UP, YOU BASTARD! Deirdre Who Pounds With A Fist — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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