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AGAIN you utter idiot. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT PRODUCT OR SURVEY. really just cant get over yourself can you? you are wrong. DEAL WITH IT. again it is TELLING that someone who never even looked at a simple survey – nevermind the actual device – claims a basis of knowledge to call it a scam and the device/product ’shit’. again you ARE WRONG now grow up and deal with that. "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message
news:EV9kd.155$Wk4.8267@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What is WITH us is that we have had one HELL of a lot of SCAMMERS, like > yourself! You have the right to peddle your SHIT anywhere you like. No-one > is contesting that! > Equally, we have the right to EXPOSE you for the scammer you are! You don’t > have to like it. We don’t like your SCAMS. So, we are all fairly even, in > the end! You are a SCAMMER and we EXPOSE you! > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > news:0sKdnbcCS6CIdxLcRVn-qA@comcast.com… > > WOW ANOTHER ONE YIKES what is with you people? > > Just more twinkle closed mined sheep replies i guess. Kilfile all ya want. > > lmfao. > > just proves me correct. again > > PLEASE DO report me – NOTHING WILL HAPPEN I DID NOT SPAM . > > THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THAT OUTFIT AND ME. > > and it is JUST A SURVEY site. I did not have to buy anything or divulge > > any > > personal information other than some VERY GENERIC MULTIPLE ANSWER > > quesitons. > > It ONLY asks VERY GENERIC, NON-specific info. > > Never even gave my zip code! > > ??? DID YOU EVEN GO TO THE SURVEY > > IT WILL PROVE you, Lily, Twinkle are WRONG - IF you can handle that > > truth. > > and the SHOUT is for EMPHASIS as i have BEEN WRONGLY accused and > > slandered. > > AND NO NEVER had problems with my ISP same one for over 6 years. > > Mbankat > >snipped
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ROTFLMFAO YOUR words provide proof FOR ME ! (Again you are a liar. And a totally misinformed self-loving moron.) Once again now read this REALLY slowly – and get help if you must: I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT DEVICE/PRODUCT. OH YES what ever happened to your claim that I dont have any sleep disorders? Like your claim I am a spammer/scammer? Let me use YOUR POINT to show how RIDICULOUS it is – IF I was involved with that product do you REALLY think I would have this kind of flame-war over it? Funny part is it makes much more news of the entire thing and gives it more exposure. That said, I would not want this kind of exposure for any product I was connected to. But as I have no such connection it matters not to me. Twinkle, ah dear Twinkle. CATCH A CLUE – you are wrong. there is no connection. I never spammed. You just dismissed a simple survey with no reason. And a device that may or may not be helpful without any knowledge of it whatsoever. I called you on it and now you cant cope with that reality. Not only are you a closed-minded liar. You are an immature fool. Yep I would say such things on an internet forum if I was trying to sell something. get it yet? can you admit yet you are wrong about this entire thing on several levels?? "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message
news:rX9kd.156$Wk4.8295@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > Just for anybody who has ever done SALES before or knows someone who wants > to do sales in the future, below is a way you can show ANYBODY how NOT to > get the correct type of attention! Nothing like laughing in someone’s face > to turn them off
the rest of this simpleton’s nonsense snipped. it is in the thread if you care that much
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"MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:n6KdnQDrEfszeRLcRVn-sg@comcast.com… > ps i would enjoy it if you would explain how and what of anything i said > was "lunacy"
the post read IDIOCY btw…. vitriolic diatribe snipped again welcome to my killfiles bye bye ashhole – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > news:2va5puF2jmcdqU1@uni-berlin.de… > > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > > news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… > > > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY > > angry > > > person! > > vitriolic diatribe snipped > > you just lost another potential respondent with your idiocy > > bye….. don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
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lmfao another one Lily i say good for you – go join your fellow twinkle into the land of denial and hypocrisy. Have a nice trip "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:2varcgF2j43tlU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > news:n6KdnQDrEfszeRLcRVn-sg@comcast.com… > > ps i would enjoy it if you would explain how and what of anything i said > > was "lunacy" > the post read IDIOCY > btw…. vitriolic diatribe snipped again > welcome to my killfiles > bye bye ashhole > > "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > > news:2va5puF2jmcdqU1@uni-berlin.de… > > > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > > > news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… > > > > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY > > > angry > > > > person! > > > vitriolic diatribe snipped > > > you just lost another potential respondent with your idiocy > > > bye….. don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
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Your first line proves people shouldn’t listen to you. I quote the lot for all to read. "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:PvednXkIBr-GRhLcRVn-uw@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> LMFAO you sir are a JERK. > I AM NOT " attempting to SELL something on this newsgroup that is just a > SCAM item." I DARE YOU TO PROVE THAT BASELESS ACCUSATION! > You siimply cannot cope with the fact that my reply was completely on > target > and that YOU are completely WRONG not only about the item, the original > post > and ME. > LMFAO now you THINK you can determine if I have sleep apnea, rls and plmd > ? > wow you are a bigger arse than i even first imagined. > Amusing tho but a hypocritcal self-worshiping arse you remain. > Mbankat > Ps you want the serial number off my cpap machine ??? > "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > news:qSQjd.145$sh3.8752@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… >> Sorry but > We don’t like SCAMMERS here. It is pretty damned obvious >> that, > excepting >> possible SIDS, a sleep alarm to tell you that you aren’t sleeping >> properly >> is utter rot. >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >> news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… >> > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY >> > angry >> > person! >> > First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) could >> > possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it worse than > all >> > of the rest of us. >> > Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking into >> > what >> > it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit the > site >> > as >> > you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more info > on >> > the device and related links) >> > Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however YOU > DID >> > by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – apparently – as if >> > you >> > speak for everyone. You don’t. >> > Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK INTO > it >> > so >> > that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will see >> > there >> > are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO WAKE >> > YOU >> > UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who would >> > ever >> > think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease something > about >> > an >> > item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A GOOD >> > THING. (again lmfao) >> > Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you > really >> > do >> > think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its DESIGN and >> > PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a foolish device. > I >> > know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, thought all this sleep >> > apnea >> > stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. >> > YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You call >> > that >> > a GOOD thing? >> > Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this by > now. >> > YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you completely > dismiss >> > it >> > as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps again >> > ROTFLMFAO >> > Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD and >> > has >> > no >> > connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER wear a >> > headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected for surgery >> > rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, when you said "I >> > doubt >> > it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the entire > realm >> > of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that dose of reality. >> > Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a >> > PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE THIS > NEW >> > ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really think ( I could > stop >> > that question right there!) they went to the trouble of having > preliminary >> > designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done as they perceive NO NEED?? !! >> > WOW >> > dude how could you – being so open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH > about >> > this entire issue. (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are >> > required to be certain the patient can handle it and no other of > thousands >> > of issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some >> > anesthetic >> > because there is a need.) >> > NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says "You >> > remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – the >> > SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no connection with the >> > people designing or making that device. I first only saw it the other > day >> > as >> > I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake oil. >> > Like >> > I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the >> > apnea >> > issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me closed-minded and > thinks >> > he >> > is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE > ADMITTED >> > HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his totally > incorrect >> > first impression that his open mind made with extremely little >> > information. >> > Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. opps >> > AGAIN >> > rotflmfao >> > Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less > informed." >> > OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look you > closed-minded, >> > hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker than thou -> ARSE. > ….. >> > YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. >> > THE REASON for reading a ng like this is PRECISELY for information such > as >> > a >> > potential new device that may prove helpful. YET not only do you ASSume >> > you >> > police this ng for posting accuracy – which you cannot and WONT by your >> > own >> > admission – yet YOU want to retain the self- appointed authority to >> > determine what is rubbish? Why you self aggrandizing Hypocritical > arse. >> > The only thing that can help any ng be less informed is having people > like >> > you limiting the public discourse as you have here. >> > You ASSume I am peddling it – You ASSume wrong. I am a sleep disorder >> > sufferer as are you and others here. I am OPEN to devices and >> > techniques >> > that may help. At least I DON’T make a ASSumption that I have the power > to >> > dismiss a device WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Makes me wonder > if >> > you have a similar or competing idea and you want to trash this one so >> > that >> > only yours will prevail. Certainly you attempt to do that with new >> > ideas >> > such as this potential device. >> > AND AGAIN YOU CLOSED MINDED ARSE – HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS ITEM IS RUBBISH > ?? >> > YOU NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. >> > wow, no I mean WOW. >> > "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message >> > news:q7Jjd.102$sh3.6611@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… >> >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >> >> news:S9GdnSOKuNDBpxLcRVn-sw@comcast.com… >> >> > LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is simple >> >> > and >> > may >> >> > lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the questions they >> > asked…. >> >> > ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else – > self >> >> > defeating." is simply closed-minded. >> >> I suffer from, to quote more than one sleep professional medico, the >> >> worst >> >> sleep apnea a person can have and still be alive to talk about it. > Apart >> >> from lack of oxygen going to below 60% of a night, I also get less >> >> than >> >> 10 >> >> minutes REM sleep per night. >> >> Given the above, a bloody alarm to wake me up to tell me I am not >> >> sleeping >> >> correctly, in your opinion, is a GOOD thing? >> >> Take away sleep disorders and have a person who is just having > disturbed >> >> sleep only for maybe a few days and then returns to normal in the > normal >> > run >> >> of things. You think an alarm to wake them to tell them they arent >> > sleeping >> >> well when they KNOW they arent is a GOOD thing? >> >> Close minded? No – just open minded enough to know a scam when I hear >> >> one. >> >> If you think you are getting away with a scam in here without a > comment, >> > YOU >> >> are too close minded. >> >> > I bet some people said nobody would wear a strapped-on apnea mask so >> >> > why >> >> > bother making one! >> >> I doubt it. The Australian who invented CPAP did it out of a perceived >> > need. >> >> He didnt ask anyone if they would wear it in the first place. Do you > ask >> >> a >> >> patient undergoing heart surgery if they REALLY want that anaesthetic? >> >> > Reminds me of an old cartoon given to sales groups. The Middle Ages >> > army >> >> > commander, heading off to battle, was grabbing his sword as he left > his >> >> > battlefield tent. His aide tried to get him to stop for a minute to >> > talk >> >> > to >> >> > a salesman. The commander told his aide he had no time for some >> > salesman’s >> >> > silly ideas. The salesman was selling machine guns. >> >> You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western >> >> films – >> > the >> >> SNAKE OIL salesman! >> >> "Drink this snake oil and be cured of cancer, cured of all your pains. > $1 >> > a >> >> bottle! It doesn’t get cheaper! Why look at this stranger here. Did >> >> YOU >> > try >> >> my Snake Oil? YEAH! I was feeling like a 75 year old before I took it > and >> >> look at me now. I am virile and 30!". >> >> If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less informed.
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no, it just proves i call a spade a spade. "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message
news:QT9kd.153$Wk4.8310@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Your first line proves people shouldn’t listen to you. I quote the lot for > all to read. > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > news:PvednXkIBr-GRhLcRVn-uw@comcast.com… > > LMFAO you sir are a JERK. > > I AM NOT " attempting to SELL something on this newsgroup that is just a > > SCAM item." I DARE YOU TO PROVE THAT BASELESS ACCUSATION! > > You siimply cannot cope with the fact that my reply was completely on > > target > > and that YOU are completely WRONG not only about the item, the original > > post > > and ME. > > LMFAO now you THINK you can determine if I have sleep apnea, rls and plmd > > ? > > wow you are a bigger arse than i even first imagined. > > Amusing tho but a hypocritcal self-worshiping arse you remain. > > Mbankat > > Ps you want the serial number off my cpap machine ??? > > "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > > news:qSQjd.145$sh3.8752@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > >> Sorry but > We don’t like SCAMMERS here. It is pretty damned obvious > >> that, > > excepting > >> possible SIDS, a sleep alarm to tell you that you aren’t sleeping > >> properly > >> is utter rot. > >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > >> news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… > >> > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY > >> > angry > >> > person! > >> > First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) could > >> > possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it worse than > > all > >> > of the rest of us. > >> > Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking into > >> > what > >> > it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit the > > site > >> > as > >> > you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more info > > on > >> > the device and related links) > >> > Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however YOU > > DID > >> > by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – apparently – as if > >> > you > >> > speak for everyone. You don’t. > >> > Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK INTO > > it > >> > so > >> > that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will see > >> > there > >> > are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO WAKE > >> > YOU > >> > UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who would > >> > ever > >> > think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease something > > about > >> > an > >> > item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A GOOD > >> > THING. (again lmfao) > >> > Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you > > really > >> > do > >> > think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its DESIGN and > >> > PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a foolish device. > > I > >> > know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, thought all this sleep > >> > apnea > >> > stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. > >> > YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You call > >> > that > >> > a GOOD thing? > >> > Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this by > > now. > >> > YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you completely > > dismiss > >> > it > >> > as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps again > >> > ROTFLMFAO > >> > Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD and > >> > has > >> > no > >> > connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER wear a > >> > headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected for surgery > >> > rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, when you said " I > >> > doubt > >> > it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the entire > > realm > >> > of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that dose of reality. > >> > Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a > >> > PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE THIS > > NEW > >> > ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really think ( I could > > stop > >> > that question right there!) they went to the trouble of having > > preliminary > >> > designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done as they perceive NO NEED?? !! > >> > WOW > >> > dude how could you – being so open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH > > about > >> > this entire issue. (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are > >> > required to be certain the patient can handle it and no other of > > thousands > >> > of issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some > >> > anesthetic > >> > because there is a need.) > >> > NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says "You > >> > remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – the > >> > SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no connection with the > >> > people designing or making that device. I first only saw it the other > > day > >> > as > >> > I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake oil. > >> > Like > >> > I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the > >> > apnea > >> > issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me closed-minded and > > thinks > >> > he > >> > is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE > > ADMITTED > >> > HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his totally > > incorrect > >> > first impression that his open mind made with extremely little > >> > information. > >> > Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. opps > >> > AGAIN > >> > rotflmfao > >> > Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less > > informed." > >> > OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look you > > closed-minded, > >> > hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker than thou -> ARSE. > > ….. > >> > YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. > >> > THE REASON for reading a ng like this is PRECISELY for information such > > as > >> > a > >> > potential new device that may prove helpful. YET not only do you ASSume > >> > you > >> > police this ng for posting accuracy – which you cannot and WONT by your > >> > own > >> > admission – yet YOU want to retain the self- appointed authority to > >> > determine what is rubbish? Why you self aggrandizing Hypocritical > > arse. > >> > The only thing that can help any ng be less informed is having people > > like > >> > you limiting the public discourse as you have here. > >> > You ASSume I am peddling it – You ASSume wrong. I am a sleep disorder > >> > sufferer as are you and others here. I am OPEN to devices and > >> > techniques > >> > that may help. At least I DON’T make a ASSumption that I have the power > > to > >> > dismiss a device WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Makes me wonder > > if > >> > you have a similar or competing idea and you want to trash this one so > >> > that > >> > only yours will prevail. Certainly you attempt to do that with new > >> > ideas > >> > such as this potential device. > >> > AND AGAIN YOU CLOSED MINDED ARSE – HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS ITEM IS RUBBISH > > ?? > >> > YOU NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. > >> > wow, no I mean WOW. > >> > "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > >> > news:q7Jjd.102$sh3.6611@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > >> >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:S9GdnSOKuNDBpxLcRVn-sw@comcast.com… > >> >> > LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is simple > >> >> > and > >> > may > >> >> > lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the questions they > >> > asked…. > >> >> > ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else – > > self > >> >> > defeating." is simply closed-minded. > >> >> I suffer from, to quote more than one sleep professional medico, the > >> >> worst > >> >> sleep apnea a person can have and still be alive to talk about it. > > Apart > >> >> from lack of oxygen going to below 60% of a night, I also get less > >> >> than > >> >> 10 > >> >> minutes REM sleep per night. > >> >> Given the above, a bloody alarm to wake me up to tell me I am not > >> >> sleeping > >> >> correctly, in your opinion, is a GOOD thing? > >> >> Take away sleep disorders and have a person who is just having > > disturbed > >> >> sleep only for maybe a few days and then returns to normal in the > > normal > >> > run > >> >> of things. You think an alarm to wake them to tell them they arent > >> > sleeping > >> >> well when they KNOW they arent is a GOOD thing? > >> >> Close minded? No – just open minded enough to know a scam when I hear > >> >> one. > >> >> If you think you are getting away with a scam in here without a > > comment, > >> > YOU > >> >> are too close minded. > >> >> > I bet some people said nobody would wear a strapped-on apnea mask so > >> >> > why > >> >> > bother making one! > >> >> I doubt it. The Australian who invented CPAP did it out of a perceived > >> > need. > >> >> He didnt ask anyone if they would wear it in the first place. Do you > > ask > >> >> a > >> >> patient undergoing heart surgery if they REALLY want that anaesthetic? > >> >> > Reminds me of an old cartoon given to sales groups. The Middle Ages > >> > army > >> >> > commander, heading off to battle, was grabbing his sword as he left > > his > >> >> > battlefield tent. His aide tried to get him to stop for a minute to > >> > talk > >> >> > to > >> >> > a salesman. The commander told his aide he had no time for some
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"Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:2vcreeF2ikdeuU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > news:oZ9kd.157$Wk4.8019@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… >> You keep killfiles? How many are related to this newsgroup? It would be >> interesting because I have to say that this is the only newsgroup I am in >> that actively attempts to get rid of scammers and spammers. I have found > no >> need to killfile from this newsgroup because they seem to get the message >> and go away! Good news, there, at least! 
> i have 2 people from here killfiled….. one is a sociopath who would > steal > other people’s nicks complete, so i had to ‘unkillfile’ that one and deal > with the sociopath (who has gone away……. alas so have a lot of very > well > informed posters to this newsgroup) > this troll in this thread with his vitriol just won that position as the > only person killfiled here……. i don’t need nor want to read his crap
Yep, I doubt ANYONE needs his crap!
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This newsgroup has a long history of ‘crap’. Some of it is from the likes of the late non-lamented Sheri Sousa, some of it is from folk like myself who sometimes foolishly post when sleep-deprived. YMMV. Into every life, a certain amount of ‘crap’ must come. Enjoy the stuff of value. Ignore the ‘crap’ that comes from idiots like Democrats, Republicans, etc. CRAP! regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:34:38 -0700, "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message >news:oZ9kd.157$Wk4.8019@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… >> You keep killfiles? How many are related to this newsgroup? It would be >> interesting because I have to say that this is the only newsgroup I am in >> that actively attempts to get rid of scammers and spammers. I have found >no >> need to killfile from this newsgroup because they seem to get the message >> and go away! Good news, there, at least! >i have 2 people from here killfiled….. one is a sociopath who would steal >other people’s nicks complete, so i had to ‘unkillfile’ that one and deal >with the sociopath (who has gone away……. alas so have a lot of very well >informed posters to this newsgroup) >this troll in this thread with his vitriol just won that position as the >only person killfiled here……. i don’t need nor want to read his crap
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"Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:2varcgF2j43tlU1@uni-berlin.de… > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > news:n6KdnQDrEfszeRLcRVn-sg@comcast.com… >> ps i would enjoy it if you would explain how and what of anything i said >> was "lunacy" > the post read IDIOCY > btw…. vitriolic diatribe snipped again > welcome to my killfiles
You keep killfiles? How many are related to this newsgroup? It would be interesting because I have to say that this is the only newsgroup I am in that actively attempts to get rid of scammers and spammers. I have found no need to killfile from this newsgroup because they seem to get the message and go away! Good news, there, at least! > bye bye ashhole
Now just WHAT did your mother tell you about talking to assholes? You KNOW you only get SHIT from them!
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SCAMMER BELOW! "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:EKidnfhKQqQg8Q3cRVn-1Q@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> lmfao another one Lily i say good for you – go join your fellow twinkle > into the land of denial and hypocrisy. Have a nice trip > "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > news:2varcgF2j43tlU1@uni-berlin.de… >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >> news:n6KdnQDrEfszeRLcRVn-sg@comcast.com… >> > ps i would enjoy it if you would explain how and what of anything i > said >> > was "lunacy" >> the post read IDIOCY >> btw…. vitriolic diatribe snipped again >> welcome to my killfiles >> bye bye ashhole >> > "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message >> > news:2va5puF2jmcdqU1@uni-berlin.de… >> > > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >> > > news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… >> > > > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one > VERY >> > > angry >> > > > person! >> > > vitriolic diatribe snipped >> > > you just lost another potential respondent with your idiocy >> > > bye….. don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
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"Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message
news:oZ9kd.157$Wk4.8019@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > You keep killfiles? How many are related to this newsgroup? It would be > interesting because I have to say that this is the only newsgroup I am in > that actively attempts to get rid of scammers and spammers. I have found no > need to killfile from this newsgroup because they seem to get the message > and go away! Good news, there, at least!
i have 2 people from here killfiled….. one is a sociopath who would steal other people’s nicks complete, so i had to ‘unkillfile’ that one and deal with the sociopath (who has gone away……. alas so have a lot of very well informed posters to this newsgroup) this troll in this thread with his vitriol just won that position as the only person killfiled here……. i don’t need nor want to read his crap
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Just for anybody who has ever done SALES before or knows someone who wants to do sales in the future, below is a way you can show ANYBODY how NOT to get the correct type of attention! Nothing like laughing in someone’s face to turn them off. Oh – and BEWARE THIS SCAMMER! "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:n6KdnQDrEfszeRLcRVn-sg@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> LMFAO AGAIN > Look Lily, and for those who might be otherwise ‘challenged’ –> > I AM NOT CONNECTED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM TO THIS SURVEY OR THE DEVICE. > Other than I took the survey today when I read the original post. LOL that > is the extent of my connection. > THEREFORE I cannot lose ANYthing – potential respondent or what. > THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THIS: Twinkle JUMPED to a conclusion. I called him on > it. He can’t deal with it so he makes further FALSE accusations of me to > cover his behind. > Wow. > And I simply don’t care if you block me as that just proves you are a > closed > minded sheep like twinkle is. > You both may have been in this ng longer than I, or more regularly, but I > have been using ng for about 5-6 years. So I understand how some people > just > align with the regular posters. > If you HONESTLY read my posts you would CERTAINLY see that what I said of > twinkle and his reply is on target. > AND I DON’T CARE IF YOU DON’T GO TO THE SURVEY. It matters not to me. Be > as > closed minded as twinkle is. Seems your loss not mine. > Mbankat > ps i would enjoy it if you would explain how and what of anything i said > was "lunacy" > "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > news:2va5puF2jmcdqU1@uni-berlin.de… >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >> news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… >> > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY >> angry >> > person! >> vitriolic diatribe snipped >> you just lost another potential respondent with your idiocy >> bye….. don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
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What is WITH us is that we have had one HELL of a lot of SCAMMERS, like yourself! You have the right to peddle your SHIT anywhere you like. No-one is contesting that! Equally, we have the right to EXPOSE you for the scammer you are! You don’t have to like it. We don’t like your SCAMS. So, we are all fairly even, in the end! You are a SCAMMER and we EXPOSE you! "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:0sKdnbcCS6CIdxLcRVn-qA@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> WOW ANOTHER ONE YIKES what is with you people? > Just more twinkle closed mined sheep replies i guess. Kilfile all ya want. > lmfao. > just proves me correct. again > PLEASE DO report me – NOTHING WILL HAPPEN I DID NOT SPAM . > THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THAT OUTFIT AND ME. > and it is JUST A SURVEY site. I did not have to buy anything or divulge > any > personal information other than some VERY GENERIC MULTIPLE ANSWER > quesitons. > It ONLY asks VERY GENERIC, NON-specific info. > Never even gave my zip code! > ??? DID YOU EVEN GO TO THE SURVEY > IT WILL PROVE you, Lily, Twinkle are WRONG - IF you can handle that > truth. > and the SHOUT is for EMPHASIS as i have BEEN WRONGLY accused and > slandered. > AND NO NEVER had problems with my ISP same one for over 6 years. > Mbankat > "Quick" <quick7135-n…@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1099950140.31772@sj-nntpcache-3… >> BZZZZTTTT. >> I quit reading your first post when it said "more information >> on the product will be provided as soon as you enter some >> information… yada, yada,". My guess is that posting spam >> here directly is in violation of your ISP’s terms and conditions? >> Had problems with ISP terms and conditions before? >> Then I quit reading your second post when you started SHOUTING >> with "indignant outrage". I’ve just kill filed you so maybe somebody >> else will read your response. >> -Quick >> MBankaT wrote: >> > FYI all who are following this thread and are actually open minded >> > and care for the truth. You can determine for YOURSELVES if this is a >> > scam or otherwise, without the policing, censorship and closed-minded >> > limitations others may try to impose upon you. Notice, I NEVER said >> > it was NOT a scam, I said it does not appear to be one at all to me. >> > And I actually bothered to take a look at it before I made any >> > pre-conceived and/or damning (and false I think) determination. I >> > have every faith that YOU can determine and decide for yourselves. >> > This came directly from the site hosting the survey: >> > Dear potential customer, >> > Thank you for taking the time to help in our project. >> > We are graduate students at the University of Southern California >> > conducting a Technology Feasibility Analysis on a new Alarm System. >> > The following "end-user" survey will help us evaluate our product, >> > which will be described later. >> > The entire survey should take you less than 5 minutes to complete. >> > The survey is divided into 3 sections: >> > 1. Sleeping/Waking patterns >> > 2. Product description and questions >> > 3. Demographics >> > The information we collect here will be used solely to determine the >> > demand and acceptability of this product in the market. >> > We will NOT sell any data we collect here to anyone, nor will we ask >> > any information that may identify you personally. >> > If you would like more information on our project, or would like to >> > discuss it with us, please contact us by email. >> > Thank you again for your time and information, >> > The BIOCHRON team >> > Thank you very much for your time and contribution to our project. >> > If you would like to comment further on our BIOCHRON project or this >> > survey, please email us or use the following sections. We did not >> > want to make a survey that was too long, but we would really >> > appreciate any additional comments or suggestions you have. >> > (Survey done through the SurveyMonkey website.) >> > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >> > news:PvednXkIBr-GRhLcRVn-uw@comcast.com… >> >> LMFAO you sir are a JERK. >> >> I AM NOT " attempting to SELL something on this newsgroup that is >> >> just a SCAM item." I DARE YOU TO PROVE THAT BASELESS ACCUSATION! >> >> You siimply cannot cope with the fact that my reply was completely >> >> on target and that YOU are completely WRONG not only about the item, >> >> the original post and ME. >> >> LMFAO now you THINK you can determine if I have sleep apnea, rls >> >> and plmd ? wow you are a bigger arse than i even first imagined. >> >> Amusing tho but a hypocritcal self-worshiping arse you remain. >> >> Mbankat >> >> Ps you want the serial number off my cpap machine ??? >> >> "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message >> >> news:qSQjd.145$sh3.8752@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… >> >>> Sorry but > We don’t like SCAMMERS here. It is pretty damned >> >>> obvious that, excepting possible SIDS, a sleep alarm to tell you >> >>> that you aren’t sleeping properly is utter rot. >> >>> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >> >>> news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… >> >>>> WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one >> >>>> VERY angry >> >>>> person! >> >>>> First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) >> >>>> could possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it >> >>>> worse than all of the rest of us. >> >>>> Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking >> >>>> into what >> >>>> it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit >> >>>> the site as >> >>>> you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more >> >>>> info on the device and related links) >> >>>> Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however >> >>>> YOU DID by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – >> >>>> apparently – as if you >> >>>> speak for everyone. You don’t. >> >>>> Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK >> >>>> INTO it so >> >>>> that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will >> >>>> see there >> >>>> are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO >> >>>> WAKE YOU >> >>>> UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who >> >>>> would ever >> >>>> think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease >> >>>> something about an >> >>>> item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A >> >>>> GOOD THING. (again lmfao) >> >>>> Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you >> >>>> really do >> >>>> think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its >> >>>> DESIGN and PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a >> >>>> foolish device. I know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, >> >>>> thought all this sleep apnea stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. >> >>>> YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You >> >>>> call that >> >>>> a GOOD thing? >> >>>> Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this >> >>>> by now. YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you >> >>>> completely dismiss it >> >>>> as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps >> > again >> >>>> ROTFLMFAO >> >>>> Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD >> >>>> and has no >> >>>> connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER >> >>>> wear a headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected >> >>>> for surgery rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, >> >>>> when you said "I doubt >> >>>> it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the >> >>>> entire realm of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that >> >>>> dose of reality. >> >>>> Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a >> >>>> PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE >> >>>> THIS NEW ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really >> >>>> think ( I could stop that question right there!) they went to the >> >>>> trouble of having preliminary designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done >> >>>> as they perceive NO NEED?? !! WOW dude how could you – being so >> >>>> open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH about this entire issue. >> >>>> (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are required to be >> >>>> certain the patient can handle it and no other of thousands of >> >>>> issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some >> >>>> anesthetic because there is a need.) >> >>>> NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says >> >>>> "You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western >> >>>> films – the SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no >> >>>> connection with the people designing or making that device. I >> >>>> first only saw it the other day as >> >>>> I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake >> >>>> oil. Like >> >>>> I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the >> >>>> apnea issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me >> >>>> closed-minded and thinks he >> >>>> is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE >> >>>> ADMITTED HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his >> >>>> totally incorrect first impression that his open mind made with >> >>>> extremely little information. >> >>>> Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. >> >>>> opps AGAIN >> >>>> rotflmfao >> >>>> Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less >> >>>> informed." OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look >> >>>> you closed-minded, hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker >> >>>> than thou -> ARSE. ….. YOU
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WOW ANOTHER ONE YIKES what is with you people? Just more twinkle closed mined sheep replies i guess. Kilfile all ya want. lmfao. just proves me correct. again PLEASE DO report me – NOTHING WILL HAPPEN I DID NOT SPAM . THERE IS NO CONNECTION TO THAT OUTFIT AND ME. and it is JUST A SURVEY site. I did not have to buy anything or divulge any personal information other than some VERY GENERIC MULTIPLE ANSWER quesitons. It ONLY asks VERY GENERIC, NON-specific info. Never even gave my zip code! ??? DID YOU EVEN GO TO THE SURVEY IT WILL PROVE you, Lily, Twinkle are WRONG - IF you can handle that truth. and the SHOUT is for EMPHASIS as i have BEEN WRONGLY accused and slandered. AND NO NEVER had problems with my ISP same one for over 6 years. Mbankat "Quick" <quick7135-n…@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1099950140.31772@sj-nntpcache-3… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> BZZZZTTTT. > I quit reading your first post when it said "more information > on the product will be provided as soon as you enter some > information… yada, yada,". My guess is that posting spam > here directly is in violation of your ISP’s terms and conditions? > Had problems with ISP terms and conditions before? > Then I quit reading your second post when you started SHOUTING > with "indignant outrage". I’ve just kill filed you so maybe somebody > else will read your response. > -Quick > MBankaT wrote: > > FYI all who are following this thread and are actually open minded > > and care for the truth. You can determine for YOURSELVES if this is a > > scam or otherwise, without the policing, censorship and closed-minded > > limitations others may try to impose upon you. Notice, I NEVER said > > it was NOT a scam, I said it does not appear to be one at all to me. > > And I actually bothered to take a look at it before I made any > > pre-conceived and/or damning (and false I think) determination. I > > have every faith that YOU can determine and decide for yourselves. > > This came directly from the site hosting the survey: > > Dear potential customer, > > Thank you for taking the time to help in our project. > > We are graduate students at the University of Southern California > > conducting a Technology Feasibility Analysis on a new Alarm System. > > The following "end-user" survey will help us evaluate our product, > > which will be described later. > > The entire survey should take you less than 5 minutes to complete. > > The survey is divided into 3 sections: > > 1. Sleeping/Waking patterns > > 2. Product description and questions > > 3. Demographics > > The information we collect here will be used solely to determine the > > demand and acceptability of this product in the market. > > We will NOT sell any data we collect here to anyone, nor will we ask > > any information that may identify you personally. > > If you would like more information on our project, or would like to > > discuss it with us, please contact us by email. > > Thank you again for your time and information, > > The BIOCHRON team > > Thank you very much for your time and contribution to our project. > > If you would like to comment further on our BIOCHRON project or this > > survey, please email us or use the following sections. We did not > > want to make a survey that was too long, but we would really > > appreciate any additional comments or suggestions you have. > > (Survey done through the SurveyMonkey website.) > > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > > news:PvednXkIBr-GRhLcRVn-uw@comcast.com… > >> LMFAO you sir are a JERK. > >> I AM NOT " attempting to SELL something on this newsgroup that is > >> just a SCAM item." I DARE YOU TO PROVE THAT BASELESS ACCUSATION! > >> You siimply cannot cope with the fact that my reply was completely > >> on target and that YOU are completely WRONG not only about the item, > >> the original post and ME. > >> LMFAO now you THINK you can determine if I have sleep apnea, rls > >> and plmd ? wow you are a bigger arse than i even first imagined. > >> Amusing tho but a hypocritcal self-worshiping arse you remain. > >> Mbankat > >> Ps you want the serial number off my cpap machine ??? > >> "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > >> news:qSQjd.145$sh3.8752@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > >>> Sorry but > We don’t like SCAMMERS here. It is pretty damned > >>> obvious that, excepting possible SIDS, a sleep alarm to tell you > >>> that you aren’t sleeping properly is utter rot. > >>> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > >>> news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… > >>>> WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one > >>>> VERY angry > >>>> person! > >>>> First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) > >>>> could possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it > >>>> worse than all of the rest of us. > >>>> Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking > >>>> into what > >>>> it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit > >>>> the site as > >>>> you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more > >>>> info on the device and related links) > >>>> Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however > >>>> YOU DID by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – > >>>> apparently – as if you > >>>> speak for everyone. You don’t. > >>>> Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK > >>>> INTO it so > >>>> that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will > >>>> see there > >>>> are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO > >>>> WAKE YOU > >>>> UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who > >>>> would ever > >>>> think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease > >>>> something about an > >>>> item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A > >>>> GOOD THING. (again lmfao) > >>>> Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you > >>>> really do > >>>> think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its > >>>> DESIGN and PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a > >>>> foolish device. I know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, > >>>> thought all this sleep apnea stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. > >>>> YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You > >>>> call that > >>>> a GOOD thing? > >>>> Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this > >>>> by now. YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you > >>>> completely dismiss it > >>>> as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps > > again > >>>> ROTFLMFAO > >>>> Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD > >>>> and has no > >>>> connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER > >>>> wear a headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected > >>>> for surgery rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, > >>>> when you said "I doubt > >>>> it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the > >>>> entire realm of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that > >>>> dose of reality. > >>>> Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a > >>>> PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE > >>>> THIS NEW ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really > >>>> think ( I could stop that question right there!) they went to the > >>>> trouble of having preliminary designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done > >>>> as they perceive NO NEED?? !! WOW dude how could you – being so > >>>> open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH about this entire issue. > >>>> (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are required to be > >>>> certain the patient can handle it and no other of thousands of > >>>> issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some > >>>> anesthetic because there is a need.) > >>>> NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says > >>>> "You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western > >>>> films – the SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no > >>>> connection with the people designing or making that device. I > >>>> first only saw it the other day as > >>>> I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake > >>>> oil. Like > >>>> I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the > >>>> apnea issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me > >>>> closed-minded and thinks he > >>>> is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE > >>>> ADMITTED HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his > >>>> totally incorrect first impression that his open mind made with > >>>> extremely little information. > >>>> Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. > >>>> opps AGAIN > >>>> rotflmfao > >>>> Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less > >>>> informed." OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look > >>>> you closed-minded, hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker > >>>> than thou -> ARSE. ….. YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL IN THIS > >>>> PUBLIC FORUM. > >>>> THE REASON for reading a ng like this is PRECISELY for information > >>>> such as a > >>>> potential new device that may prove helpful. YET not only do you > >>>> ASSume you > >>>> police this ng for posting accuracy – which you cannot and WONT by > >>>> your own > >>>> admission – yet YOU want to retain the self- appointed authority to > >>>> determine what is rubbish? Why you self aggrandizing > >>>> Hypocritical arse. The only thing that can help any ng be less > >>>> informed is having people like you limiting the public discourse > >>>> as you have here. > >>>> You ASSume I am peddling it – You ASSume wrong. I am
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LMFAO you sir are a JERK. I AM NOT " attempting to SELL something on this newsgroup that is just a SCAM item." I DARE YOU TO PROVE THAT BASELESS ACCUSATION! You siimply cannot cope with the fact that my reply was completely on target and that YOU are completely WRONG not only about the item, the original post and ME. LMFAO now you THINK you can determine if I have sleep apnea, rls and plmd ? wow you are a bigger arse than i even first imagined. Amusing tho but a hypocritcal self-worshiping arse you remain. Mbankat Ps you want the serial number off my cpap machine ??? "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message
news:qSQjd.145$sh3.8752@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry but > We don’t like SCAMMERS here. It is pretty damned obvious that, excepting > possible SIDS, a sleep alarm to tell you that you aren’t sleeping properly > is utter rot. > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… > > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY > > angry > > person! > > First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) could > > possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it worse than all > > of the rest of us. > > Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking into > > what > > it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit the site > > as > > you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more info on > > the device and related links) > > Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however YOU DID > > by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – apparently – as if > > you > > speak for everyone. You don’t. > > Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK INTO it > > so > > that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will see > > there > > are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO WAKE > > YOU > > UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who would > > ever > > think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease something about > > an > > item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A GOOD > > THING. (again lmfao) > > Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you really > > do > > think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its DESIGN and > > PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a foolish device. I > > know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, thought all this sleep apnea > > stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. > > YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You call > > that > > a GOOD thing? > > Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this by now. > > YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you completely dismiss > > it > > as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps again > > ROTFLMFAO > > Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD and has > > no > > connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER wear a > > headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected for surgery > > rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, when you said "I > > doubt > > it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the entire realm > > of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that dose of reality. > > Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a > > PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE THIS NEW > > ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really think ( I could stop > > that question right there!) they went to the trouble of having preliminary > > designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done as they perceive NO NEED?? !! WOW > > dude how could you – being so open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH about > > this entire issue. (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are > > required to be certain the patient can handle it and no other of thousands > > of issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some anesthetic > > because there is a need.) > > NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says "You > > remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – the > > SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no connection with the > > people designing or making that device. I first only saw it the other day > > as > > I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake oil. > > Like > > I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the apnea > > issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me closed-minded and thinks > > he > > is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE ADMITTED > > HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his totally incorrect > > first impression that his open mind made with extremely little > > information. > > Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. opps > > AGAIN > > rotflmfao > > Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less informed." > > OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look you closed-minded, > > hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker than thou -> ARSE. ….. > > YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. > > THE REASON for reading a ng like this is PRECISELY for information such as > > a > > potential new device that may prove helpful. YET not only do you ASSume > > you > > police this ng for posting accuracy – which you cannot and WONT by your > > own > > admission – yet YOU want to retain the self- appointed authority to > > determine what is rubbish? Why you self aggrandizing Hypocritical arse. > > The only thing that can help any ng be less informed is having people like > > you limiting the public discourse as you have here. > > You ASSume I am peddling it – You ASSume wrong. I am a sleep disorder > > sufferer as are you and others here. I am OPEN to devices and techniques > > that may help. At least I DON’T make a ASSumption that I have the power to > > dismiss a device WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Makes me wonder if > > you have a similar or competing idea and you want to trash this one so > > that > > only yours will prevail. Certainly you attempt to do that with new ideas > > such as this potential device. > > AND AGAIN YOU CLOSED MINDED ARSE – HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS ITEM IS RUBBISH ?? > > YOU NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. > > wow, no I mean WOW. > > "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > > news:q7Jjd.102$sh3.6611@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > >> news:S9GdnSOKuNDBpxLcRVn-sw@comcast.com… > >> > LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is simple and > > may > >> > lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the questions they > > asked…. > >> > ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else – self > >> > defeating." is simply closed-minded. > >> I suffer from, to quote more than one sleep professional medico, the > >> worst > >> sleep apnea a person can have and still be alive to talk about it. Apart > >> from lack of oxygen going to below 60% of a night, I also get less than > >> 10 > >> minutes REM sleep per night. > >> Given the above, a bloody alarm to wake me up to tell me I am not > >> sleeping > >> correctly, in your opinion, is a GOOD thing? > >> Take away sleep disorders and have a person who is just having disturbed > >> sleep only for maybe a few days and then returns to normal in the normal > > run > >> of things. You think an alarm to wake them to tell them they arent > > sleeping > >> well when they KNOW they arent is a GOOD thing? > >> Close minded? No – just open minded enough to know a scam when I hear > >> one. > >> If you think you are getting away with a scam in here without a comment, > > YOU > >> are too close minded. > >> > I bet some people said nobody would wear a strapped-on apnea mask so > >> > why > >> > bother making one! > >> I doubt it. The Australian who invented CPAP did it out of a perceived > > need. > >> He didnt ask anyone if they would wear it in the first place. Do you ask > >> a > >> patient undergoing heart surgery if they REALLY want that anaesthetic? > >> > Reminds me of an old cartoon given to sales groups. The Middle Ages > > army > >> > commander, heading off to battle, was grabbing his sword as he left his > >> > battlefield tent. His aide tried to get him to stop for a minute to > > talk > >> > to > >> > a salesman. The commander told his aide he had no time for some > > salesman’s > >> > silly ideas. The salesman was selling machine guns. > >> You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – > > the > >> SNAKE OIL salesman! > >> "Drink this snake oil and be cured of cancer, cured of all your pains. $1 > > a > >> bottle! It doesn’t get cheaper! Why look at this stranger here. Did YOU > > try > >> my Snake Oil? YEAH! I was feeling like a 75 year old before I took it and > >> look at me now. I am virile and 30!". > >> If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less informed.
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LMFAO AGAIN Look Lily, and for those who might be otherwise ‘challenged’ –> I AM NOT CONNECTED IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM TO THIS SURVEY OR THE DEVICE. Other than I took the survey today when I read the original post. LOL that is the extent of my connection. THEREFORE I cannot lose ANYthing – potential respondent or what. THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THIS: Twinkle JUMPED to a conclusion. I called him on it. He can’t deal with it so he makes further FALSE accusations of me to cover his behind. Wow. And I simply don’t care if you block me as that just proves you are a closed minded sheep like twinkle is. You both may have been in this ng longer than I, or more regularly, but I have been using ng for about 5-6 years. So I understand how some people just align with the regular posters. If you HONESTLY read my posts you would CERTAINLY see that what I said of twinkle and his reply is on target. AND I DON’T CARE IF YOU DON’T GO TO THE SURVEY. It matters not to me. Be as closed minded as twinkle is. Seems your loss not mine. Mbankat ps i would enjoy it if you would explain how and what of anything i said was "lunacy" "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:2va5puF2jmcdqU1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… > > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY > angry > > person! > vitriolic diatribe snipped > you just lost another potential respondent with your idiocy > bye….. don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
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BZZZZTTTT. I quit reading your first post when it said "more information on the product will be provided as soon as you enter some information… yada, yada,". My guess is that posting spam here directly is in violation of your ISP’s terms and conditions? Had problems with ISP terms and conditions before? Then I quit reading your second post when you started SHOUTING with "indignant outrage". I’ve just kill filed you so maybe somebody else will read your response. -Quick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -MBankaT wrote: > FYI all who are following this thread and are actually open minded > and care for the truth. You can determine for YOURSELVES if this is a > scam or otherwise, without the policing, censorship and closed-minded > limitations others may try to impose upon you. Notice, I NEVER said > it was NOT a scam, I said it does not appear to be one at all to me. > And I actually bothered to take a look at it before I made any > pre-conceived and/or damning (and false I think) determination. I > have every faith that YOU can determine and decide for yourselves. > This came directly from the site hosting the survey: > Dear potential customer, > Thank you for taking the time to help in our project. > We are graduate students at the University of Southern California > conducting a Technology Feasibility Analysis on a new Alarm System. > The following "end-user" survey will help us evaluate our product, > which will be described later. > The entire survey should take you less than 5 minutes to complete. > The survey is divided into 3 sections: > 1. Sleeping/Waking patterns > 2. Product description and questions > 3. Demographics > The information we collect here will be used solely to determine the > demand and acceptability of this product in the market. > We will NOT sell any data we collect here to anyone, nor will we ask > any information that may identify you personally. > If you would like more information on our project, or would like to > discuss it with us, please contact us by email. > Thank you again for your time and information, > The BIOCHRON team > Thank you very much for your time and contribution to our project. > If you would like to comment further on our BIOCHRON project or this > survey, please email us or use the following sections. We did not > want to make a survey that was too long, but we would really > appreciate any additional comments or suggestions you have. > (Survey done through the SurveyMonkey website.) > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > news:PvednXkIBr-GRhLcRVn-uw@comcast.com… >> LMFAO you sir are a JERK. >> I AM NOT " attempting to SELL something on this newsgroup that is >> just a SCAM item." I DARE YOU TO PROVE THAT BASELESS ACCUSATION! >> You siimply cannot cope with the fact that my reply was completely >> on target and that YOU are completely WRONG not only about the item, >> the original post and ME. >> LMFAO now you THINK you can determine if I have sleep apnea, rls >> and plmd ? wow you are a bigger arse than i even first imagined. >> Amusing tho but a hypocritcal self-worshiping arse you remain. >> Mbankat >> Ps you want the serial number off my cpap machine ??? >> "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message >> news:qSQjd.145$sh3.8752@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… >>> Sorry but > We don’t like SCAMMERS here. It is pretty damned >>> obvious that, excepting possible SIDS, a sleep alarm to tell you >>> that you aren’t sleeping properly is utter rot. >>> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >>> news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… >>>> WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one >>>> VERY angry >>>> person! >>>> First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) >>>> could possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it >>>> worse than all of the rest of us. >>>> Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking >>>> into what >>>> it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit >>>> the site as >>>> you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more >>>> info on the device and related links) >>>> Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however >>>> YOU DID by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – >>>> apparently – as if you >>>> speak for everyone. You don’t. >>>> Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK >>>> INTO it so >>>> that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will >>>> see there >>>> are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO >>>> WAKE YOU >>>> UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who >>>> would ever >>>> think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease >>>> something about an >>>> item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A >>>> GOOD THING. (again lmfao) >>>> Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you >>>> really do >>>> think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its >>>> DESIGN and PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a >>>> foolish device. I know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, >>>> thought all this sleep apnea stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. >>>> YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You >>>> call that >>>> a GOOD thing? >>>> Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this >>>> by now. YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you >>>> completely dismiss it >>>> as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps > again >>>> ROTFLMFAO >>>> Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD >>>> and has no >>>> connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER >>>> wear a headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected >>>> for surgery rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, >>>> when you said "I doubt >>>> it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the >>>> entire realm of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that >>>> dose of reality. >>>> Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a >>>> PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE >>>> THIS NEW ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really >>>> think ( I could stop that question right there!) they went to the >>>> trouble of having preliminary designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done >>>> as they perceive NO NEED?? !! WOW dude how could you – being so >>>> open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH about this entire issue. >>>> (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are required to be >>>> certain the patient can handle it and no other of thousands of >>>> issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some >>>> anesthetic because there is a need.) >>>> NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says >>>> "You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western >>>> films – the SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no >>>> connection with the people designing or making that device. I >>>> first only saw it the other day as >>>> I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake >>>> oil. Like >>>> I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the >>>> apnea issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me >>>> closed-minded and thinks he >>>> is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE >>>> ADMITTED HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his >>>> totally incorrect first impression that his open mind made with >>>> extremely little information. >>>> Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. >>>> opps AGAIN >>>> rotflmfao >>>> Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less >>>> informed." OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look >>>> you closed-minded, hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker >>>> than thou -> ARSE. ….. YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL IN THIS >>>> PUBLIC FORUM. >>>> THE REASON for reading a ng like this is PRECISELY for information >>>> such as a >>>> potential new device that may prove helpful. YET not only do you >>>> ASSume you >>>> police this ng for posting accuracy – which you cannot and WONT by >>>> your own >>>> admission – yet YOU want to retain the self- appointed authority to >>>> determine what is rubbish? Why you self aggrandizing >>>> Hypocritical arse. The only thing that can help any ng be less >>>> informed is having people like you limiting the public discourse >>>> as you have here. >>>> You ASSume I am peddling it – You ASSume wrong. I am a sleep >>>> disorder sufferer as are you and others here. I am OPEN to devices >>>> and techniques that may help. At least I DON’T make a ASSumption >>>> that I have the power to dismiss a device WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING >>>> ABOUT IT. Makes me wonder if you have a similar or competing >>>> idea and you want to trash this one so that >>>> only yours will prevail. Certainly you attempt to do that with new >>>> ideas such as this potential device. >>>> AND AGAIN YOU CLOSED MINDED ARSE – HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS ITEM IS >>>> RUBBISH ?? YOU NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. >>>> wow, no I mean WOW. >>>> "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message >>>> news:q7Jjd.102$sh3.6611@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… >>>>> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:S9GdnSOKuNDBpxLcRVn-sw@comcast.com… >>>>>> LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is >>>>>> simple and may lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the >>>>>> questions they asked…. >>>>>> ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else >>>>>> – self defeating." is simply closed-minded. >>>>> I suffer from, to quote more than one sleep professional medico,
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"MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY angry > person!
vitriolic diatribe snipped you just lost another potential respondent with your idiocy bye….. don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
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FYI all who are following this thread and are actually open minded and care for the truth. You can determine for YOURSELVES if this is a scam or otherwise, without the policing, censorship and closed-minded limitations others may try to impose upon you. Notice, I NEVER said it was NOT a scam, I said it does not appear to be one at all to me. And I actually bothered to take a look at it before I made any pre-conceived and/or damning (and false I think) determination. I have every faith that YOU can determine and decide for yourselves. This came directly from the site hosting the survey: Dear potential customer, Thank you for taking the time to help in our project. We are graduate students at the University of Southern California conducting a Technology Feasibility Analysis on a new Alarm System. The following "end-user" survey will help us evaluate our product, which will be described later. The entire survey should take you less than 5 minutes to complete. The survey is divided into 3 sections: 1. Sleeping/Waking patterns 2. Product description and questions 3. Demographics The information we collect here will be used solely to determine the demand and acceptability of this product in the market. We will NOT sell any data we collect here to anyone, nor will we ask any information that may identify you personally. If you would like more information on our project, or would like to discuss it with us, please contact us by email. Thank you again for your time and information, The BIOCHRON team Thank you very much for your time and contribution to our project. If you would like to comment further on our BIOCHRON project or this survey, please email us or use the following sections. We did not want to make a survey that was too long, but we would really appreciate any additional comments or suggestions you have. (Survey done through the SurveyMonkey website.) "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:PvednXkIBr-GRhLcRVn-uw@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> LMFAO you sir are a JERK. > I AM NOT " attempting to SELL something on this newsgroup that is just a > SCAM item." I DARE YOU TO PROVE THAT BASELESS ACCUSATION! > You siimply cannot cope with the fact that my reply was completely on target > and that YOU are completely WRONG not only about the item, the original post > and ME. > LMFAO now you THINK you can determine if I have sleep apnea, rls and plmd ? > wow you are a bigger arse than i even first imagined. > Amusing tho but a hypocritcal self-worshiping arse you remain. > Mbankat > Ps you want the serial number off my cpap machine ??? > "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > news:qSQjd.145$sh3.8752@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > > Sorry but > We don’t like SCAMMERS here. It is pretty damned obvious that, > excepting > > possible SIDS, a sleep alarm to tell you that you aren’t sleeping properly > > is utter rot. > > "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > > news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… > > > WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY > > > angry > > > person! > > > First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) could > > > possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it worse than > all > > > of the rest of us. > > > Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking into > > > what > > > it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit the > site > > > as > > > you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more info > on > > > the device and related links) > > > Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however YOU > DID > > > by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – apparently – as if > > > you > > > speak for everyone. You don’t. > > > Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK INTO > it > > > so > > > that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will see > > > there > > > are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO WAKE > > > YOU > > > UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who would > > > ever > > > think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease something > about > > > an > > > item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A GOOD > > > THING. (again lmfao) > > > Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you > really > > > do > > > think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its DESIGN and > > > PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a foolish device. > I > > > know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, thought all this sleep apnea > > > stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. > > > YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You call > > > that > > > a GOOD thing? > > > Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this by > now. > > > YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you completely > dismiss > > > it > > > as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps again > > > ROTFLMFAO > > > Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD and has > > > no > > > connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER wear a > > > headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected for surgery > > > rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, when you said "I > > > doubt > > > it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the entire > realm > > > of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that dose of reality. > > > Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a > > > PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE THIS > NEW > > > ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really think ( I could > stop > > > that question right there!) they went to the trouble of having > preliminary > > > designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done as they perceive NO NEED?? !! WOW > > > dude how could you – being so open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH > about > > > this entire issue. (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are > > > required to be certain the patient can handle it and no other of > thousands > > > of issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some anesthetic > > > because there is a need.) > > > NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says "You > > > remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – the > > > SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no connection with the > > > people designing or making that device. I first only saw it the other > day > > > as > > > I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake oil. > > > Like > > > I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the apnea > > > issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me closed-minded and > thinks > > > he > > > is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE > ADMITTED > > > HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his totally > incorrect > > > first impression that his open mind made with extremely little > > > information. > > > Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. opps > > > AGAIN > > > rotflmfao > > > Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less > informed." > > > OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look you > closed-minded, > > > hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker than thou -> ARSE. > ….. > > > YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. > > > THE REASON for reading a ng like this is PRECISELY for information such > as > > > a > > > potential new device that may prove helpful. YET not only do you ASSume > > > you > > > police this ng for posting accuracy – which you cannot and WONT by your > > > own > > > admission – yet YOU want to retain the self- appointed authority to > > > determine what is rubbish? Why you self aggrandizing Hypocritical > arse. > > > The only thing that can help any ng be less informed is having people > like > > > you limiting the public discourse as you have here. > > > You ASSume I am peddling it – You ASSume wrong. I am a sleep disorder > > > sufferer as are you and others here. I am OPEN to devices and techniques > > > that may help. At least I DON’T make a ASSumption that I have the power > to > > > dismiss a device WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Makes me wonder > if > > > you have a similar or competing idea and you want to trash this one so > > > that > > > only yours will prevail. Certainly you attempt to do that with new ideas > > > such as this potential device. > > > AND AGAIN YOU CLOSED MINDED ARSE – HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS ITEM IS RUBBISH > ?? > > > YOU NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. > > > wow, no I mean WOW. > > > "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > > > news:q7Jjd.102$sh3.6611@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… > > >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > > >> news:S9GdnSOKuNDBpxLcRVn-sw@comcast.com… > > >> > LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is simple and > > > may > > >> > lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the questions they > > > asked…. > > >> > ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else – > self > > >> > defeating." is simply closed-minded. > > >> I suffer from, to quote more than one sleep professional medico, the > > >> worst > > >> sleep apnea a person can have and still be alive to talk about it. > Apart > > >> from lack of oxygen going to below 60% of a night, I also get less than > > >> 10 > > >> minutes REM sleep per night. > > >> Given the above, a bloody alarm to wake me up to tell me I am not > > >> sleeping > > >> correctly, in your opinion, is a GOOD thing? > > >> Take away sleep disorders and
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Sorry but you are attempting to SELL something on this newsgroup that is just a SCAM item. We don’t like SCAMMERS here. It is pretty damned obvious that, excepting possible SIDS, a sleep alarm to tell you that you aren’t sleeping properly is utter rot. "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:vPidnSJSmINASBLcRVn-pA@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY > angry > person! > First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) could > possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it worse than all > of the rest of us. > Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking into > what > it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit the site > as > you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more info on > the device and related links) > Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however YOU DID > by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – apparently – as if > you > speak for everyone. You don’t. > Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK INTO it > so > that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will see > there > are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO WAKE > YOU > UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who would > ever > think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease something about > an > item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A GOOD > THING. (again lmfao) > Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you really > do > think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its DESIGN and > PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a foolish device. I > know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, thought all this sleep apnea > stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. > YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You call > that > a GOOD thing? > Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this by now. > YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you completely dismiss > it > as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps again > ROTFLMFAO > Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD and has > no > connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER wear a > headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected for surgery > rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, when you said "I > doubt > it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the entire realm > of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that dose of reality. > Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a > PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE THIS NEW > ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really think ( I could stop > that question right there!) they went to the trouble of having preliminary > designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done as they perceive NO NEED?? !! WOW > dude how could you – being so open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH about > this entire issue. (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are > required to be certain the patient can handle it and no other of thousands > of issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some anesthetic > because there is a need.) > NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says "You > remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – the > SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no connection with the > people designing or making that device. I first only saw it the other day > as > I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake oil. > Like > I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the apnea > issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me closed-minded and thinks > he > is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE ADMITTED > HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his totally incorrect > first impression that his open mind made with extremely little > information. > Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. opps > AGAIN > rotflmfao > Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less informed." > OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look you closed-minded, > hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker than thou -> ARSE. ….. > YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. > THE REASON for reading a ng like this is PRECISELY for information such as > a > potential new device that may prove helpful. YET not only do you ASSume > you > police this ng for posting accuracy – which you cannot and WONT by your > own > admission – yet YOU want to retain the self- appointed authority to > determine what is rubbish? Why you self aggrandizing Hypocritical arse. > The only thing that can help any ng be less informed is having people like > you limiting the public discourse as you have here. > You ASSume I am peddling it – You ASSume wrong. I am a sleep disorder > sufferer as are you and others here. I am OPEN to devices and techniques > that may help. At least I DON’T make a ASSumption that I have the power to > dismiss a device WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Makes me wonder if > you have a similar or competing idea and you want to trash this one so > that > only yours will prevail. Certainly you attempt to do that with new ideas > such as this potential device. > AND AGAIN YOU CLOSED MINDED ARSE – HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS ITEM IS RUBBISH ?? > YOU NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. > wow, no I mean WOW. > "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message > news:q7Jjd.102$sh3.6611@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… >> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message >> news:S9GdnSOKuNDBpxLcRVn-sw@comcast.com… >> > LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is simple and > may >> > lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the questions they > asked…. >> > ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else – self >> > defeating." is simply closed-minded. >> I suffer from, to quote more than one sleep professional medico, the >> worst >> sleep apnea a person can have and still be alive to talk about it. Apart >> from lack of oxygen going to below 60% of a night, I also get less than >> 10 >> minutes REM sleep per night. >> Given the above, a bloody alarm to wake me up to tell me I am not >> sleeping >> correctly, in your opinion, is a GOOD thing? >> Take away sleep disorders and have a person who is just having disturbed >> sleep only for maybe a few days and then returns to normal in the normal > run >> of things. You think an alarm to wake them to tell them they arent > sleeping >> well when they KNOW they arent is a GOOD thing? >> Close minded? No – just open minded enough to know a scam when I hear >> one. >> If you think you are getting away with a scam in here without a comment, > YOU >> are too close minded. >> > I bet some people said nobody would wear a strapped-on apnea mask so >> > why >> > bother making one! >> I doubt it. The Australian who invented CPAP did it out of a perceived > need. >> He didnt ask anyone if they would wear it in the first place. Do you ask >> a >> patient undergoing heart surgery if they REALLY want that anaesthetic? >> > Reminds me of an old cartoon given to sales groups. The Middle Ages > army >> > commander, heading off to battle, was grabbing his sword as he left his >> > battlefield tent. His aide tried to get him to stop for a minute to > talk >> > to >> > a salesman. The commander told his aide he had no time for some > salesman’s >> > silly ideas. The salesman was selling machine guns. >> You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – > the >> SNAKE OIL salesman! >> "Drink this snake oil and be cured of cancer, cured of all your pains. $1 > a >> bottle! It doesn’t get cheaper! Why look at this stranger here. Did YOU > try >> my Snake Oil? YEAH! I was feeling like a 75 year old before I took it and >> look at me now. I am virile and 30!". >> If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less informed.
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WOW sorry that in addition to your sleep disorders you are one VERY angry person! First of all – there is NO way I (or anyone else for that matter) could possibly know how bad your disorder is and that you have it worse than all of the rest of us. Second – YOU TOTALLY dismissed the alarm item WITHOUT even looking into what it is or what it does. You admitted that by not wanting to visit the site as you feared it harmful. (and all it was is a survey site with more info on the device and related links) Third- I am NOT telling YOU specifically ANYTHING – which, however YOU DID by dismissing something for everyone as ridiculous – apparently – as if you speak for everyone. You don’t. Fourth – YOUR CLOSED MINDEDNESS is proven as IF you ACTUALLY LOOK INTO it so that you would have SOME IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT you will see there are several options and functions NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE DESIGNED TO WAKE YOU UP AT EVERY EPISODE. ROTFLMFAO – that idea would be absurd. Who would ever think of such a thing – oh yea YOU DID. Knowing at lease something about an item BEFORE you totally dismiss it for the rest of the world IS A GOOD THING. (again lmfao) Fifth – A SCAM ??? it is JUST A SURVEY. WOW really I mean WOW you really do think very highly of yourself. You dismiss a NEW ITEM in its DESIGN and PLANNING phase and YOU ALREADY KNOW it is a scam and a foolish device. I know of a family doctor, who ten years ago, thought all this sleep apnea stuff was a fad. You remind me of him. YET YOU NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO IT. You call that Open-minded? You call that a GOOD thing? Sixth – I AM Closed minded?? !! Sorry but REALLY he deserves this by now. YOU ARSE ! YOU WON’T EVEN look into the item and you completely dismiss it as both foolish and a scam and you call ME closed-minded. opps again ROTFLMFAO Seventh – Your analogy on my comment of using the mask is ABSURD and has no connection whatsoever. IN FACT THOUSANDS said they would NEVER wear a headset – A have an older brother who said it – he elected for surgery rather than wear a headset. ooppss AGAIN lmfao. So, when you said "I doubt it" … YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN. oh yea, and this ng and the entire realm of sleep disorders is NOT ABOUT YOU. Sorry for that dose of reality. Eighth – Yes, I am sure whoever "invented the CPAP did so out of a PERCEIVED NEED". again LMFAO – AS ARE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO CREATE THIS NEW ALARM – REPORTING – MONITORING DEVICE. Do you really think ( I could stop that question right there!) they went to the trouble of having preliminary designs and a LEGITIMATE survey done as they perceive NO NEED?? !! WOW dude how could you – being so open minded of course – MISS SO MUCH about this entire issue. (And YES they do ask about anesthetic as they are required to be certain the patient can handle it and no other of thousands of issues that might be present. They DONT just chuck on some anesthetic because there is a need.) NINTH – this one is MORE AMUSING than the previous eight. He says "You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – the SNAKE OIL salesman!" First – I have absolutely no connection with the people designing or making that device. I first only saw it the other day as I came into this ng. Second, again he ASSumes the device is snake oil. Like I said previously, I know a family doctor who said the same of the apnea issue. Again, this is from the guy who calls me closed-minded and thinks he is open minded. Yet this item is the same as snake-oil -> WHEN HE ADMITTED HE KNOWS NOTHING OF THE ITEM – well, that is beside his totally incorrect first impression that his open mind made with extremely little information. Then he carries this line of NONSENSE to a far reaching extreme. opps AGAIN rotflmfao Tenth – "If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less informed." OPPS just have to say it again: WHAT AN ARSE. Look you closed-minded, hypocritical, arrogant, self-righteous, sicker than thou -> ARSE. ….. YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. THE REASON for reading a ng like this is PRECISELY for information such as a potential new device that may prove helpful. YET not only do you ASSume you police this ng for posting accuracy – which you cannot and WONT by your own admission – yet YOU want to retain the self- appointed authority to determine what is rubbish? Why you self aggrandizing Hypocritical arse. The only thing that can help any ng be less informed is having people like you limiting the public discourse as you have here. You ASSume I am peddling it – You ASSume wrong. I am a sleep disorder sufferer as are you and others here. I am OPEN to devices and techniques that may help. At least I DON’T make a ASSumption that I have the power to dismiss a device WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Makes me wonder if you have a similar or competing idea and you want to trash this one so that only yours will prevail. Certainly you attempt to do that with new ideas such as this potential device. AND AGAIN YOU CLOSED MINDED ARSE – HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS ITEM IS RUBBISH ?? YOU NEVER LOOKED INTO IT. wow, no I mean WOW. "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message
news:q7Jjd.102$sh3.6611@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message > news:S9GdnSOKuNDBpxLcRVn-sw@comcast.com… > > LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is simple and may > > lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the questions they asked…. > > ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else – self > > defeating." is simply closed-minded. > I suffer from, to quote more than one sleep professional medico, the worst > sleep apnea a person can have and still be alive to talk about it. Apart > from lack of oxygen going to below 60% of a night, I also get less than 10 > minutes REM sleep per night. > Given the above, a bloody alarm to wake me up to tell me I am not sleeping > correctly, in your opinion, is a GOOD thing? > Take away sleep disorders and have a person who is just having disturbed > sleep only for maybe a few days and then returns to normal in the normal run > of things. You think an alarm to wake them to tell them they arent sleeping > well when they KNOW they arent is a GOOD thing? > Close minded? No – just open minded enough to know a scam when I hear one. > If you think you are getting away with a scam in here without a comment, YOU > are too close minded. > > I bet some people said nobody would wear a strapped-on apnea mask so why > > bother making one! > I doubt it. The Australian who invented CPAP did it out of a perceived need. > He didnt ask anyone if they would wear it in the first place. Do you ask a > patient undergoing heart surgery if they REALLY want that anaesthetic? > > Reminds me of an old cartoon given to sales groups. The Middle Ages army > > commander, heading off to battle, was grabbing his sword as he left his > > battlefield tent. His aide tried to get him to stop for a minute to talk > > to > > a salesman. The commander told his aide he had no time for some salesman’s > > silly ideas. The salesman was selling machine guns. > You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – the > SNAKE OIL salesman! > "Drink this snake oil and be cured of cancer, cured of all your pains. $1 a > bottle! It doesn’t get cheaper! Why look at this stranger here. Did YOU try > my Snake Oil? YEAH! I was feeling like a 75 year old before I took it and > look at me now. I am virile and 30!". > If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less informed.
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Dear Sleep Forum members, A few colleagues and myself are undertaking a feasibility analysis for a new alarm system that we are developing, and we would like to request your input on it. We have created a very short survey that will provide us some valuable information about your sleeping and waking patterns,and some feedback on our new alarm, which will be further described in the middle of the survey. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=55077696029 The alarm is currently not intended for any specific sleep disorder, and we did not place too much information on the science behind it, in order not to overwhelm or bias the survey. However, if you have any questions about it, suggestions, or comments, please do include them at the end of the survey or feel free to email me directly. We are at the early stages of development, and any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated. The survey is very short, and should take you about 5 minutes to complete. Of course, all your data will only be used for the purpose of our feasibility analysis, and we will not ask for any information that will identify you personally. Please feel free to forward and post this message to anyone or group you think would be interested in such an alarm. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=55077696029 Thank you in advance for your time and answers, Walid Soussou
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"Walid Soussou" <aliens…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:50bd9c26.0411031403.21acb62d@posting.google.com… > Dear Sleep Forum members, > A few colleagues and myself are undertaking a feasibility analysis for > a new alarm system that we are developing, and we would like to
Not going to click on a link that may be trouble SO I will answer this way: Sleep alarm to stop SIDS happening – good. Sleep alarm to stop anything else – self defeating.
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LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is simple and may lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the questions they asked…. ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else – self defeating." is simply closed-minded. I bet some people said nobody would wear a strapped-on apnea mask so why bother making one! Reminds me of an old cartoon given to sales groups. The Middle Ages army commander, heading off to battle, was grabbing his sword as he left his battlefield tent. His aide tried to get him to stop for a minute to talk to a salesman. The commander told his aide he had no time for some salesman’s silly ideas. The salesman was selling machine guns. Mbankat "Twinkle" <Sl…@last.never> wrote in message
news:Vanid.87$At6.4326@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Walid Soussou" <aliens…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:50bd9c26.0411031403.21acb62d@posting.google.com… > > Dear Sleep Forum members, > > A few colleagues and myself are undertaking a feasibility analysis for > > a new alarm system that we are developing, and we would like to > Not going to click on a link that may be trouble SO I will answer this way: > Sleep alarm to stop SIDS happening – good. > Sleep alarm to stop anything else – self defeating.
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"MBankaT" <MBankaT@Lost&MapLess.net> wrote in message
news:S9GdnSOKuNDBpxLcRVn-sw@comcast.com… > LOL the link is harmless and legitimate … the survey is simple and may > lead to something helpful ( IMHO ) based upon the questions they asked…. > ….AND -IMHO – your saying: "Sleep alarm to stop anything else – self > defeating." is simply closed-minded.
I suffer from, to quote more than one sleep professional medico, the worst sleep apnea a person can have and still be alive to talk about it. Apart from lack of oxygen going to below 60% of a night, I also get less than 10 minutes REM sleep per night. Given the above, a bloody alarm to wake me up to tell me I am not sleeping correctly, in your opinion, is a GOOD thing? Take away sleep disorders and have a person who is just having disturbed sleep only for maybe a few days and then returns to normal in the normal run of things. You think an alarm to wake them to tell them they arent sleeping well when they KNOW they arent is a GOOD thing? Close minded? No – just open minded enough to know a scam when I hear one. If you think you are getting away with a scam in here without a comment, YOU are too close minded. > I bet some people said nobody would wear a strapped-on apnea mask so why > bother making one!
I doubt it. The Australian who invented CPAP did it out of a perceived need. He didnt ask anyone if they would wear it in the first place. Do you ask a patient undergoing heart surgery if they REALLY want that anaesthetic? > Reminds me of an old cartoon given to sales groups. The Middle Ages army > commander, heading off to battle, was grabbing his sword as he left his > battlefield tent. His aide tried to get him to stop for a minute to talk > to > a salesman. The commander told his aide he had no time for some salesman’s > silly ideas. The salesman was selling machine guns.
You remind me of an ancient stereotype in American made Western films – the SNAKE OIL salesman! "Drink this snake oil and be cured of cancer, cured of all your pains. $1 a bottle! It doesn’t get cheaper! Why look at this stranger here. Did YOU try my Snake Oil? YEAH! I was feeling like a 75 year old before I took it and look at me now. I am virile and 30!". If you want to peddle rubbish, pick a newsgroup less informed.
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