Dreams & NEs
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Judy Simon <hurricane.j…@verizon.net> wrote: >> It happens to women too, it’s just not as obvious. <g> >> http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/basics/questions101/chapter3.htm#Ch3-q23 >Hmm, and to think I was coming here to learn about sleep apnea 
>Actually, I wonder if uterine contractions occurring during REM sleep >are associated with a higher-than-expected % of women going into labor >during the night.
I don’t think giving birth is a sleep disorder, although the results can cause sleepless nights for many years. <g> I don’t know of any statistics on labor onset versus time of day, but your theory sure sounds plausible. If the statistics are correct, then maybe women who go into labor during the daytime should be evaluated for a sleep disorder? Tom
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> I don’t know of any statistics on labor onset versus time of day, but > your theory sure sounds plausible. If the statistics are correct, then > maybe women who go into labor during the daytime should be evaluated > for a sleep disorder?
I know that a LOT more women go into labour during the night than do during the day…..can’t remember the stats either but it’s a definate majority. — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles
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Tom Devlin wrote: > I don’t think giving birth is a sleep disorder, although the results > can cause sleepless nights for many years. <g>
Too bad I didn’t know anything about sleep disorders 23 years ago when my first son was born, because that’s when I first began feeling pathologically tired <no grin> If I didn’t have my mother to help me back then I don’t know how I would have made it. I attributed it to having a kid who didn’t sleep much… then I attributed it to having 2, 3, then 4 kids. But in all these years I never regained my energy. Now I know why. > I don’t know of any statistics on labor onset versus time of day, but > your theory sure sounds plausible. If the statistics are correct, then > maybe women who go into labor during the daytime should be evaluated > for a sleep disorder?
Hmmm, any grad students around here looking for a thesis topic? Judy
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On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:05:54 -0400, Tom Devlin <tomdev…@ameritech.net> wrote: >I don’t know of any statistics on labor onset versus time of day, but >your theory sure sounds plausible. If the statistics are correct, then >maybe women who go into labor during the daytime should be evaluated >for a sleep disorder?
Dr. Sullivan did a study and discovered that pre-eclampsia patients may actually have sleep apnea. Just imagine putting a CPAP mask on a ready-to-pop pregnant woman… they’re uncomfortable enough to begin with. 
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Judy Simon <hurricane.j…@verizon.net> wrote: >Too bad I didn’t know anything about sleep disorders 23 years ago when >my first son was born, because that’s when I first began feeling >pathologically tired <no grin> If I didn’t have my mother to help me >back then I don’t know how I would have made it. I attributed it to >having a kid who didn’t sleep much… then I attributed it to having 2, >3, then 4 kids. But in all these years I never regained my energy. Now >I know why.
I’m sure that my apnea’d been affecting me for many years, but it was only around ten years ago that it really got to me, I lost the ability to focus on things and to reason, not a good thing for an engineer. I just figured that I was getting old, then I went on CPAP and magically became young again. It came as a very pleasant surprise. >> I don’t know of any statistics on labor onset versus time of day, but >> your theory sure sounds plausible. If the statistics are correct, then >> maybe women who go into labor during the daytime should be evaluated >> for a sleep disorder? >Hmmm, any grad students around here looking for a thesis topic?
If so, I hope that they’ll let us in on the results. Tom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tom Devlin wrote: > Judy Simon <hurricane.j…@verizon.net> wrote: > >Too bad I didn’t know anything about sleep disorders 23 years ago when > >my first son was born, because that’s when I first began feeling > >pathologically tired <no grin> If I didn’t have my mother to help me > >back then I don’t know how I would have made it. I attributed it to > >having a kid who didn’t sleep much… then I attributed it to having 2, > >3, then 4 kids. But in all these years I never regained my energy. Now > >I know why. > I’m sure that my apnea’d been affecting me for many years, but it was > only around ten years ago that it really got to me, I lost the ability > to focus on things and to reason, not a good thing for an engineer. I > just figured that I was getting old, then I went on CPAP and magically > became young again. It came as a very pleasant surprise.
It must have been difficult then, before there was a lot of info or awareness about sleep apnea. Have you seen alot of changes in diagnostic criteria and treatment since you were first diagnosed? Was it hard to get used to the equipment (more primitive than today’s, I’m sure)? I was having a hard time concentrating, too. I was a statistician and epidemiologist in medical research; I cut back to teaching part-time in a med school after my kids were born, but I was always exhausted and focusing on the material was so damn hard. I finally gave it up and got a social work degree- it was easier because it didn’t require as much focus; numbers and research papers were putting me to sleep but fortunately, people and their problems didn’t. And, sorry to say, but in social work I didn’t have to worry about reading the literature because most of it was worthless anyway (that’s what happens when someone trained in the hard sciences switches to a field like social work). In the end I’m glad I switched careers- my newfound post CPAP energy is going to very good use. Judy
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I am still having problems. Have restrictive apnea but have a big tongue and severe allergies which we are unable to control. I am trying to sort out why I still feel bad, allergies or sleep. Oh I am on cpap with humidifier. I have had only one very short dream since August of 2001. I have NEs I say maybe twice a week. Does this possibly mean that I am still not getting into a deep sleep? I feel a little better than when I don’t use the cpap. But still a long ways to go. Does anyone have any ideas about this? Those dreams last August came after a sleep study and pressure adjustment but stopped abruptly three days later, never to return. Thanks for any ideas and help.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tom Devlin wrote: > Judy Simon <hurricane.j…@verizon.net> wrote: > >> They’re very strongly associated with REM sleep. One of Dr. Dement’s > >> colleagues said that he didn’t know where dreams came from, but he > >> thought that the erect penis was acting as the antenna to receive > >> them. <g> > >so *that’s* why I haven’t been dreaming <vbg> > It happens to women too, it’s just not as obvious. <g> > http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/basics/questions101/chapter3.htm#Ch3-q23 > Tom
Hmm, and to think I was coming here to learn about sleep apnea Actually, I wonder if uterine contractions occurring during REM sleep are associated with a higher-than-expected % of women going into labor during the night. Judy
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keh…@aol.com (KEH724) wrote: >>if you do not awaken during a dream, >>or shortly thereafter, you won’t remember the dream. >So does it follow that if you have sleep apnea and wake many times a night, >you’re more likely to remember your dreams?
To a point. Some of us went so long without deep sleep that we’d quit dreaming, the "REM rebound" period, when the dreams came flooding back, often came as a shock. <g> >I usually remember 2-3 dreams a >night. I had a really weird dream in the sleep lab even though I only had 8 >minutes of REM sleep. Maybe I’m waking up often during REM sleep?
Everybody’s different, but REM usually happens during deep sleep, right at the point that the apnea kicks in. Tom
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Judy Simon <hurricane.j…@verizon.net> wrote: >> They’re very strongly associated with REM sleep. One of Dr. Dement’s >> colleagues said that he didn’t know where dreams came from, but he >> thought that the erect penis was acting as the antenna to receive >> them. <g> >so *that’s* why I haven’t been dreaming <vbg>
It happens to women too, it’s just not as obvious. <g> http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/basics/questions101/chapter3.htm#Ch3-q23 Tom
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"Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote: > If you know where I can find some of that info I’d appreciate you >posting the site on here.
A Google search using Apnea Erectile Dysfunction turned up any number of hits, these look pretty good. http://www.medicalinfo.com/sleep_disorders.htm http://healingwell.subportal.com/health/Diseases_and_Conditions/Sleep… >All of these problems really get me down and it is hard enough >having a sleep problem, but pile on the ED and also Alopecia and sometimes I >feel pretty worthless.
Once again, talk to your doctor about re-titration, it might help with both the ED and the depression. >I know we all have a problems.
But knowing that you’re not alone can sure help a lot. Stick around, you’re among friends. Tom
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Tom – If you know where I can find some of that info I’d appreciate you posting the site on here. (I don’t use my real e-mail, just embarrassed I guess). All of these problems really get me down and it is hard enough having a sleep problem, but pile on the ED and also Alopecia and sometimes I feel pretty worthless. I know we all have a problems. I just like to get one thing back on track and I’d feel like I was making progress. I am also in worse shape now than when I started treatment for these things. Thanks again for the info and please let me know if you know of anymore. "Tom Devlin" <tomdev…@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:ekpjhu44ti5ve37lqkopu631ktcggcfvrl@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote: > >As above Nocturnal Erections, erections that happen during sleep > >involuntarily. Most peopel feel that they are caused for good blood flow. > >I would assume that if you are not sleeping deeply enough that it would > >affect the NE’s. > They’re very strongly associated with REM sleep. One of Dr. Dement’s > colleagues said that he didn’t know where dreams came from, but he > thought that the erect penis was acting as the antenna to receive > them. <g> > > I also question if you don’t sleep well can that cause ED? > Sure can. The connection’s been discussed here several times, and I > know that I’ve read reports on the web. > >Seems like the docs do not want to cross over into other areas to see if > >there is a base cause for all of a persons health problems. > When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. > Tom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Judy Simon wrote: > Tom Devlin wrote: > > "Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote: > > >As above Nocturnal Erections, erections that happen during sleep > > >involuntarily. Most peopel feel that they are caused for good blood flow. > > >I would assume that if you are not sleeping deeply enough that it would > > >affect the NE’s. > > They’re very strongly associated with REM sleep. One of Dr. Dement’s > > colleagues said that he didn’t know where dreams came from, but he > > thought that the erect penis was acting as the antenna to receive > > them. <g> > so *that’s* why I haven’t been dreaming <vbg>
I just read Tom’s post to my wife, and she reponded, "Well, how do women have dreams?" I just reminded her of the feminine body part equivalent. Her response, "Oh yah."
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Tom Devlin wrote: > "Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote: > >As above Nocturnal Erections, erections that happen during sleep > >involuntarily. Most peopel feel that they are caused for good blood flow. > >I would assume that if you are not sleeping deeply enough that it would > >affect the NE’s. > They’re very strongly associated with REM sleep. One of Dr. Dement’s > colleagues said that he didn’t know where dreams came from, but he > thought that the erect penis was acting as the antenna to receive > them. <g>
so *that’s* why I haven’t been dreaming <vbg>
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NormC wrote: >if you do not awaken during a dream, >or shortly thereafter, you won’t remember the dream.
So does it follow that if you have sleep apnea and wake many times a night, you’re more likely to remember your dreams? I usually remember 2-3 dreams a night. I had a really weird dream in the sleep lab even though I only had 8 minutes of REM sleep. Maybe I’m waking up often during REM sleep? Kathy
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KEH724 wrote: > NormC wrote: > >if you do not awaken during a dream, > >or shortly thereafter, you won’t remember the dream. > So does it follow that if you have sleep apnea and wake many times a night, > you’re more likely to remember your dreams? I usually remember 2-3 dreams a > night. I had a really weird dream in the sleep lab even though I only had 8 > minutes of REM sleep. Maybe I’m waking up often during REM sleep? > Kathy
You got it! That is, indeed, my opinion. I, personally, am ecsatic if I feel great each day and DO NOT remember any dreams. To me that means I got quality sleep the night before. Looking for other opinions here (as always), from others.
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As above Nocturnal Erections, erections that happen during sleep involuntarily. Most peopel feel that they are caused for good blood flow. I would assume that if you are not sleeping deeply enough that it would affect the NE’s. I also question if you don’t sleep well can that cause ED? Seems like the docs do not want to cross over into other areas to see if there is a base cause for all of a persons health problems. They just try to treat the symptoms in their own field. Anyway that is my feelings. I had to discover and reasearch sleep apnea, I researched TRT for my low Testosterone and on and on. Where are the good docs who put out some effort? "Dominick" <d…@infi.net> wrote in message
news:3D190C35.4B9C2DEC@infi.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Spike, > What’s NE? > Yours Truly, > Dominick
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"Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote: >As above Nocturnal Erections, erections that happen during sleep >involuntarily. Most peopel feel that they are caused for good blood flow. >I would assume that if you are not sleeping deeply enough that it would >affect the NE’s.
They’re very strongly associated with REM sleep. One of Dr. Dement’s colleagues said that he didn’t know where dreams came from, but he thought that the erect penis was acting as the antenna to receive them. <g> > I also question if you don’t sleep well can that cause ED?
Sure can. The connection’s been discussed here several times, and I know that I’ve read reports on the web. >Seems like the docs do not want to cross over into other areas to see if >there is a base cause for all of a persons health problems.
When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Tom
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Spike, What’s NE? Yours Truly, Dominick
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Have you researched the side-effects of whatever meds you are taking, regarding NE and ED? Aren’t they both, essentially, the same thing? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Spike wrote: > I guess I should have said more but I didn’t want to make it too long. Fat > tongue, no tonsils, suffered from allergies for years, 50 lbs. overweight, > had nasal sonaplasty, (sp) this January it didn’t help. They said > restrictive is that the air is restricted but not totally blocked off as > obstructive. But yet ENT sent me in for sinus imagining, showed clear > sinuses. ENT says I need to go on allergy shots but the results could be a > year or more away. Just don’t understand why I don’t remember dreaming, > when I did just after the cpap pressure was adjusted. NEs are Nocturnal > Erections that most males have every night while asleep, I also suffer from > ED without any apparent explanation. Urologists just found some mild > leakage and said here is some Viagra. Seems like no one really wants to > find the base cause for the problems. I’m almost sure that they are all > tied together. Maybe like be tired. Thanks for any ideas and listening. > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > news:uhhb2iarqosqce@corp.supernews.com… > > "restrictive apnea" Interesting term since your air is restricted by some > blockage but I > > think you meant obstructive apnea (obstructive, central, mixed). Blockage > sites can include > > nasal/sinus congestion, base of tongue,adenoids/tonsils, even lingual > tonsils which are on > > the side and back portion of tongue, throat tissue, palate, etc. You HAVE > to get the > > allergies under control. Nasal congestion can be a MAJOR cause of apnea > (don’t expect your > > doc to know this). > > Are you almost psychotic, if not you are dreaming, you just don’t remember > the dreams. Again > > for emphasis, get the nasal blockage/allergies under control. Maybe have > doc order a sinus > > CTScan, could be inferior turbinates have swollen and are blocking air. > Once you make sure > > your nose is clear CPAP will work much better. > > Is NE nocturnal emissions? Ah, to be young again 
) Mike > > "Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote in message > > news:mf1S8.394267$%y.29121215@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… > > > I am still having problems. Have restrictive apnea but have a big > tongue > > > and severe allergies which we are unable to control. I am trying to > sort > > > out why I still feel bad, allergies or sleep. Oh I am on cpap with > > > humidifier. I have had only one very short dream since August of 2001. > I > > > have NEs I say maybe twice a week. Does this possibly mean that I am > still > > > not getting into a deep sleep? I feel a little better than when I don’t > use > > > the cpap. But still a long ways to go. Does anyone have any ideas > about > > > this? Those dreams last August came after a sleep study and pressure > > > adjustment but stopped abruptly three days later, never to return. > Thanks > > > for any ideas and help.
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"Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote: >I am still having problems. Have restrictive apnea but have a big tongue >and severe allergies which we are unable to control. I am trying to sort >out why I still feel bad, allergies or sleep. Oh I am on cpap with >humidifier. I have had only one very short dream since August of 2001. I >have NEs I say maybe twice a week. Does this possibly mean that I am still >not getting into a deep sleep? I feel a little better than when I don’t use >the cpap. But still a long ways to go. Does anyone have any ideas about >this? Those dreams last August came after a sleep study and pressure >adjustment but stopped abruptly three days later, never to return. Thanks >for any ideas and help.
Many people never remember their dreams unless they’re awakened during one. It’s not at all unusual for people new to CPAP to have vivid, and sometimes disturbing dreams, but this often goes away after a short time. The NE’s are a pretty good sign that you’re getting into REM, but you might want to consider a re-titration, you’re coming up on your one year anniversary. Tom
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I guess I should have said more but I didn’t want to make it too long. Fat tongue, no tonsils, suffered from allergies for years, 50 lbs. overweight, had nasal sonaplasty, (sp) this January it didn’t help. They said restrictive is that the air is restricted but not totally blocked off as obstructive. But yet ENT sent me in for sinus imagining, showed clear sinuses. ENT says I need to go on allergy shots but the results could be a year or more away. Just don’t understand why I don’t remember dreaming, when I did just after the cpap pressure was adjusted. NEs are Nocturnal Erections that most males have every night while asleep, I also suffer from ED without any apparent explanation. Urologists just found some mild leakage and said here is some Viagra. Seems like no one really wants to find the base cause for the problems. I’m almost sure that they are all tied together. Maybe like be tired. Thanks for any ideas and listening. "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message
news:uhhb2iarqosqce@corp.supernews.com… > "restrictive apnea" Interesting term since your air is restricted by some blockage but I > think you meant obstructive apnea (obstructive, central, mixed). Blockage sites can include > nasal/sinus congestion, base of tongue,adenoids/tonsils, even lingual
tonsils which are on – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> the side and back portion of tongue, throat tissue, palate, etc. You HAVE to get the > allergies under control. Nasal congestion can be a MAJOR cause of apnea (don’t expect your > doc to know this). > Are you almost psychotic, if not you are dreaming, you just don’t remember the dreams. Again > for emphasis, get the nasal blockage/allergies under control. Maybe have doc order a sinus > CTScan, could be inferior turbinates have swollen and are blocking air. Once you make sure > your nose is clear CPAP will work much better. > Is NE nocturnal emissions? Ah, to be young again ) Mike > "Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote in message > news:mf1S8.394267$%y.29121215@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… > > I am still having problems. Have restrictive apnea but have a big tongue > > and severe allergies which we are unable to control. I am trying to sort > > out why I still feel bad, allergies or sleep. Oh I am on cpap with > > humidifier. I have had only one very short dream since August of 2001. I > > have NEs I say maybe twice a week. Does this possibly mean that I am still > > not getting into a deep sleep? I feel a little better than when I don’t use > > the cpap. But still a long ways to go. Does anyone have any ideas about > > this? Those dreams last August came after a sleep study and pressure > > adjustment but stopped abruptly three days later, never to return. Thanks > > for any ideas and help.
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Spike wrote: > I am still having problems. Have restrictive apnea but have a big tongue > and severe allergies which we are unable to control. I am trying to sort > out why I still feel bad, allergies or sleep. Oh I am on cpap with > humidifier. I have had only one very short dream since August of 2001. I > have NEs I say maybe twice a week. Does this possibly mean that I am still > not getting into a deep sleep? I feel a little better than when I don’t use > the cpap. But still a long ways to go. Does anyone have any ideas about > this? Those dreams last August came after a sleep study and pressure > adjustment but stopped abruptly three days later, never to return. Thanks > for any ideas and help.
You may be dreaming up a storm, but if you do not awaken during a dream, or shortly thereafter, you won’t remember the dream. So, if you don’t remember dreaming, it doesn’t mean you weren’t. It just means you don’t recall.
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"restrictive apnea" Interesting term since your air is restricted by some blockage but I think you meant obstructive apnea (obstructive, central, mixed). Blockage sites can include nasal/sinus congestion, base of tongue,adenoids/tonsils, even lingual tonsils which are on the side and back portion of tongue, throat tissue, palate, etc. You HAVE to get the allergies under control. Nasal congestion can be a MAJOR cause of apnea (don’t expect your doc to know this). Are you almost psychotic, if not you are dreaming, you just don’t remember the dreams. Again for emphasis, get the nasal blockage/allergies under control. Maybe have doc order a sinus CTScan, could be inferior turbinates have swollen and are blocking air. Once you make sure your nose is clear CPAP will work much better. Is NE nocturnal emissions? Ah, to be young again ) Mike "Spike" <sp…@yvn.com> wrote in message
news:mf1S8.394267$%y.29121215@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am still having problems. Have restrictive apnea but have a big tongue > and severe allergies which we are unable to control. I am trying to sort > out why I still feel bad, allergies or sleep. Oh I am on cpap with > humidifier. I have had only one very short dream since August of 2001. I > have NEs I say maybe twice a week. Does this possibly mean that I am still > not getting into a deep sleep? I feel a little better than when I don’t use > the cpap. But still a long ways to go. Does anyone have any ideas about > this? Those dreams last August came after a sleep study and pressure > adjustment but stopped abruptly three days later, never to return. Thanks > for any ideas and help.
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> I am still having problems. Have restrictive apnea but have a big tongue > and severe allergies which we are unable to control.
do you mean Obstructive apnea? I’ve never heard of apnea referred to as "restrictive" > I am trying to sort > out why I still feel bad, allergies or sleep. Oh I am on cpap with > humidifier. I have had only one very short dream since August of 2001. I > have NEs I say maybe twice a week. Does this possibly mean that I am still > not getting into a deep sleep? I feel a little better than when I don’t use > the cpap. But still a long ways to go. Does anyone have any ideas about > this? Those dreams last August came after a sleep study and pressure > adjustment but stopped abruptly three days later, never to return. Thanks > for any ideas and help.
it could just mean that you’re not waking up in the middle of a dream…..rather than you’re not dreaming. what’s NE? — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles
