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Margrove

admin — Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

:: Lately I’ve been clenching my jaw again. What works really well for "me" when I am going through a phase of jaw clenching is to chew gum. Give it a try, it may help

That’s a no no for me. If I’m not clenching my jaw, I will be after chewing gum! Actually by chewing gum I often get RLS in my jaw. My RLS has no limits on what part of my body it affects. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:: Lately I’ve been clenching my jaw again. What works really well for "me" when I am going through a phase of jaw clenching is to chew gum. Give it a try, it may help Jackie ~*~I may not be perfectly beautiful, I may not be perfectly wise, I may not be perfectly obedient, but I am perfectly me~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – btw-xanax does a great job aborting panic and anxiety but a lousy job of relaxing muscle groups–valium is king of this domaine with klonpoin and Librium running a close queen and prince-you may want to ask your doc for a trial of one of these-chances are he will go for klonopin, but with your depressive tendency–I would opt for librium first and valium second–10mg of librium a day or 5mg of valium a day would possibly do the deed until you break the habit- Margrove, Do you think an extrapyramidal reaction to an antipsychotic is possible? Also the head rocking/nodding made me think of akathesia. Chip not when she said that relaxation abates it to a degree -and also because it is her neck and not her tongue or jaw, and that I don’t think she is on a chronic dose or especially high dose of haldol-ssri induced akathesia usually starts in extremeties-I haven’t seen any extrapyramidal stuff with buspar, I suppose anything is possible Just have this image of her rockin her head like you might hum a tune–to distract you from something that scares you The progressive relaxation helps for a little bit, but not for long… I forgot to mention that Cogentin doesn’t alleviate my symptoms either. I have to wait a whole month before I see my pdoc again! AAAAAaaagh! And yes, LM that’s exactly how I move my head, back and forth like I was listening to music. The head stuff doesn’t bother me as much as the hand stuff. One hospice nurse thought I was disabled by the way I was holding my hand! (I am, but it’s not my hand that’s disabled). Sigh Sally how do you hold your hand? Or was it I want to hold your hand? Well you might, but I’ll try and tell you how I hold my hand. My wrist is down as far as it will go toward my arm, and my fingers touch my thumb, but it’s not a fist. Sort of like I’m going to snap my fingers. I don’t know if I described it well or not, but it looks really stupid. I have found that if I hold something in my left hand (the hand that does this strange thing) that I don’t do it. I could walk around holding a pen like Bob Dole. That would work. That may not be P/C, but it was funny as hell!!!!! By the way, I think I know exactly how you held your hand. I think I’ve done the same thing but am able to stop it (mostly) if anyone is around to see. Tono Well this may appear twice, Google wouldn’t work when I tried the last time.. Tono, Glad you’re amused at the fact I am all gimped out with my hand, LOL. It IS funny looking, if you think it’s funny sounding you should SEE me. I didn’t mean your actual condition was funny at all, I meant the Bob Dole remark. Here’s the update…. After reading Gary’s post on calming physical tension, I decided to try something. Instead of using my tape, I just held my arm and my hand tightly for a full count of 30. Voila! It worked! Like really well and for a good amount of time. I just hadn’t been tensing my muscles LONG enough for it to really have an effect on me. Oh thank God! Now, no amount of tensing or relaxing in any kind of pose alleviates the stuff with my neck, I’m still going back and forth, but that’s just fine. My main concern was this weird hand thingy. Not only did I stop holding my hand funny, but I feel SO much more relaxed. Not "clenched" all the time. I may have to do this several times a day til I break the habit, but I’m just glad for a little relief. That sounds great Sally! Keep up the good work! Tono Tono, No offense taken, I easily laugh at myself anyway.. and yes, it is SUCH a relief to be able to relax a little. I found that today I was clenching and unclinching both fists, but the relaxation method works great. Sally Good to hear. Lately I’ve been clenching my jaw again. Luckily I don’t grind my teeth. I’ll have to try that relaxation method myself. For some reason I don’t think I’ve tried it for my jaw? Tono

To the dismay of my dentist, I AM a teeth grinder. Anything to do with anxiety, and I’m there. I tried the relaxation technique on my jaw and it helped alot. Another thing that helps is massaging your jaw line lightly with your hand. I got that from a Yoga instructor. It’s amazing how much tension we hold in our jaw. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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The progressive relaxation helps for a little bit, but not for long… I forgot to mention that Cogentin doesn’t alleviate my symptoms either. I have to wait a whole month before I see my pdoc again! AAAAAaaagh! And yes, LM that’s exactly how I move my head, back and forth like I was listening to music. The head stuff doesn’t bother me as much as the hand stuff. One hospice nurse thought I was disabled by the way I was holding my hand! (I am, but it’s not my hand that’s disabled). Sigh Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I didn’t mean your actual condition was funny at all, I meant the Bob Dole remark. Here’s the update…. After reading Gary’s post on calming physical tension, I decided to try something. Instead of using my tape, I just held my arm and my hand tightly for a full count of 30. Voila! It worked! Like really well and for a good amount of time. I just hadn’t been tensing my muscles LONG enough for it to really have an effect on me. Oh thank God! Now, no amount of tensing or relaxing in any kind of pose alleviates the stuff with my neck, I’m still going back and forth, but that’s just fine. My main concern was this weird hand thingy. Not only did I stop holding my hand funny, but I feel SO much more relaxed. Not "clenched" all the time. I may have to do this several times a day til I break the habit, but I’m just glad for a little relief.

That sounds great Sally! Keep up the good work! Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Tono, No offense taken, I easily laugh at myself anyway.. and yes, it is SUCH a relief to be able to relax a little. I found that today I was clenching and unclinching both fists, but the relaxation method works great. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Good to hear. Lately I’ve been clenching my jaw again. Luckily I don’t grind my teeth. I’ll have to try that relaxation method myself. For some reason I don’t think I’ve tried it for my jaw? Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Well you might, but I’ll try and tell you how I hold my hand. My wrist is down as far as it will go toward my arm, and my fingers touch my thumb, but it’s not a fist. Sort of like I’m going to snap my fingers. I don’t know if I described it well or not, but it looks really stupid. I have found that if I hold something in my left hand (the hand that does this strange thing) that I don’t do it. I could walk around holding a pen like Bob Dole. That would work. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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That may not be P/C, but it was funny as hell!!!!! By the way, I think I know exactly how you held your hand. I think I’ve done the same thing but am able to stop it (mostly) if anyone is around to see. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Well this may appear twice, Google wouldn’t work when I tried the last time.. Tono, Glad you’re amused at the fact I am all gimped out with my hand, LOL. It IS funny looking, if you think it’s funny sounding you should SEE me. Here’s the update…. After reading Gary’s post on calming physical tension, I decided to try something. Instead of using my tape, I just held my arm and my hand tightly for a full count of 30. Voila! It worked! Like really well and for a good amount of time. I just hadn’t been tensing my muscles LONG enough for it to really have an effect on me. Oh thank God! Now, no amount of tensing or relaxing in any kind of pose alleviates the stuff with my neck, I’m still going back and forth, but that’s just fine. My main concern was this weird hand thingy. Not only did I stop holding my hand funny, but I feel SO much more relaxed. Not "clenched" all the time. I may have to do this several times a day til I break the habit, but I’m just glad for a little relief. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – btw-xanax does a great job aborting panic and anxiety but a lousy job of relaxing muscle groups–valium is king of this domaine with klonpoin and Librium running a close queen and prince-you may want to ask your doc for a trial of one of these-chances are he will go for klonopin, but with your depressive tendency–I would opt for librium first and valium second–10mg of librium a day or 5mg of valium a day would possibly do the deed until you break the habit- Margrove, Do you think an extrapyramidal reaction to an antipsychotic is possible? Also the head rocking/nodding made me think of akathesia. Chip not when she said that relaxation abates it to a degree -and also because it is her neck and not her tongue or jaw, and that I don’t think she is on a chronic dose or especially high dose of haldol-ssri induced akathesia usually starts in extremeties-I haven’t seen any extrapyramidal stuff with buspar, I suppose anything is possible Just have this image of her rockin her head like you might hum a tune–to distract you from something that scares you The progressive relaxation helps for a little bit, but not for long… I forgot to mention that Cogentin doesn’t alleviate my symptoms either. I have to wait a whole month before I see my pdoc again! AAAAAaaagh! And yes, LM that’s exactly how I move my head, back and forth like I was listening to music. The head stuff doesn’t bother me as much as the hand stuff. One hospice nurse thought I was disabled by the way I was holding my hand! (I am, but it’s not my hand that’s disabled). Sigh Sally

how do you hold your hand? Or was it I want to hold your hand? — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I have a problem that I don’t know what it is or what I can do to help it. It’s really distressing me. My mother was diagnosed with cancer last year, and she died shortly afterward. When she was diagnosed, it scared me so much that I started holding my hand funny and started having involuntary movement in my neck. My head rocks back and forth constantly, unless I’m asleep. Sounds like an essential tremor. My father has it in his hands (can barely write) and his head nods back and forth. Essential tremors often are relieved temporarily by alcohol (don’t recommend in your case). It is made worse by anxiety. docs usually start with a beta blocker, like Inderal. A neurologist should be able to diagnose the cause of the tremor, Sally. Chip My psychiatrist asked me what it was, as if I was some kind of expert. I have no idea what it is. I know it’s anxiety related, somehow. It’s some sort of reaction to my mother’s death and fear of the future, is the best thing I can tell. No meds help. Not Xanax or Buspar or Haldol. I’m taking the latter two as well as Coumadin for a blood clot in my lower left leg. Do you have any advice? I’d do anything to stop this. Hypnosis, anything. I look really retarded and just the feeling of being "clenched" at every waking moment is beginning to wear a little thin. Relaxation exersizes help momentarily and then I’m back to square one. I’m really desperate. Thanks LM. We so appreciate you. Sally Chip, I don’t know if this is it or not. My symptoms didn’t abate while I was drinking. Nothing, outside of sleep, gives me any relief. No drugs. No alcohol (I swear, I’d drink if that would actually help, but it doesn’t). I may have to make an appointment with my internist, but I doubt he can help. I’m sure this is some kind of psychological reaction to my mom’s death. It’s driving me nuts. Sally try progressive relaxation excercises Jackie has posted them but if you want I can type one out for you-it is most often best if you can have someone with a soothing voice tape one of these or buy one on rebt.org–a good one is by Arnold Lazarus who has a very nice basso voice–I am sure this is just an anxious event that has become a habit-like a twitch, or like that kid we all knew in school who rolled his eyes or had this facial tick when he was inervated. I hate having my eyes examined–it is a long story going back to some childhood trauma-so when the doc gets close to my face with the goinoscope my head twiches-or rather my neck does this wiggle waggle I can only assume is my bodies way of trying to get away from him–without being too analytical–what are you trying to get away from that you can’t face–I know I know, it’s a big leap from cbt, but sometimes–it just makes some sense

Hey YOU! You just unmasked yourself as a *closet psychoanalyst*. I’m going to tell your uncle Albert (who said something like this about himself BTW). P. — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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btw-xanax does a great job aborting panic and anxiety but a lousy job of relaxing muscle groups–valium is king of this domaine with klonpoin and Librium running a close queen and prince-you may want to ask your doc for a trial of one of these-chances are he will go for klonopin, but with your depressive tendency–I would opt for librium first and valium second–10mg of librium a day or 5mg of valium a day would possibly do the deed until you break the habit-

Margrove, Do you think an extrapyramidal reaction to an antipsychotic is possible? Also the head rocking/nodding made me think of akathesia. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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not when she said that relaxation abates it to a degree -and also because it is her neck and not her tongue or jaw, and that I don’t think she is on a chronic dose or especially high dose of haldol-ssri induced akathesia usually starts in extremeties-I haven’t seen any extrapyramidal stuff with buspar, I suppose anything is possible Just have this image of her rockin her head like you might hum a tune–to distract you from something that scares you — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Margrove, Do you think an extrapyramidal reaction to an antipsychotic is possible? Also the head rocking/nodding made me think of akathesia. Chip not when she said that relaxation abates it to a degree -and also because it is her neck and not her tongue or jaw, and that I don’t think she is on a chronic dose or especially high dose of haldol-ssri induced akathesia usually starts in extremeties

I got restless legs syndrome (supposedly a form of akathesia) after I increased the dose of my Zoloft about 10 years ago. My psych told me to cut back the dose, I did, and it went away quickly. -I haven’t seen any extrapyramidal stuff with buspar, I suppose anything is possible Just have this image of her rockin her head like you might hum a tune–to distract you from something that scares you

I have the image of my father’s head nodding back and forth with essential tremor. His mother had the same thing. Thanks for the feedback, Jimi Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I saw a specialist in CBT long enough for him to make a tape for me using the progressive relaxation exersize. (I became psychotic in the middle of our sessions and he refused to see me anymore). Everything in my house is boxed up, ready to move, so I’ll try to find the tape, but that may be next to impossible. I’ll google Jackie’s post. BTW, this boy in high school had a crush on me and he had a severe facial tick and what I would call an exaggerated case of GAD. Turned out the poor thing had a brain tumor and DIED one summer between school years. I still think of him sometimes. Glad YOU didn’t ask me what it was, I had no clue, and furthermore, I have the same thing about optometrists examining my eyes. My God, why don’t they figure out a better way to examine an eye than to get thisclose to your face. I HATE that. Thank you for answering. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Chip, I don’t know if this is it or not. My symptoms didn’t abate while I was drinking. Nothing, outside of sleep, gives me any relief. No drugs. No alcohol (I swear, I’d drink if that would actually help, but it doesn’t). I may have to make an appointment with my internist, but I doubt he can help. I’m sure this is some kind of psychological reaction to my mom’s death. It’s driving me nuts. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I have a problem that I don’t know what it is or what I can do to help it. It’s really distressing me. My mother was diagnosed with cancer last year, and she died shortly afterward. When she was diagnosed, it scared me so much that I started holding my hand funny and started having involuntary movement in my neck. My head rocks back and forth constantly, unless I’m asleep. Sounds like an essential tremor. My father has it in his hands (can barely write) and his head nods back and forth. Essential tremors often are relieved temporarily by alcohol (don’t recommend in your case). It is made worse by anxiety. docs usually start with a beta blocker, like Inderal. A neurologist should be able to diagnose the cause of the tremor, Sally. Chip My psychiatrist asked me what it was, as if I was some kind of expert. I have no idea what it is. I know it’s anxiety related, somehow. It’s some sort of reaction to my mother’s death and fear of the future, is the best thing I can tell. No meds help. Not Xanax or Buspar or Haldol. I’m taking the latter two as well as Coumadin for a blood clot in my lower left leg. Do you have any advice? I’d do anything to stop this. Hypnosis, anything. I look really retarded and just the feeling of being "clenched" at every waking moment is beginning to wear a little thin. Relaxation exersizes help momentarily and then I’m back to square one. I’m really desperate. Thanks LM. We so appreciate you. Sally Chip, I don’t know if this is it or not. My symptoms didn’t abate while I was drinking. Nothing, outside of sleep, gives me any relief. No drugs. No alcohol (I swear, I’d drink if that would actually help, but it doesn’t). I may have to make an appointment with my internist, but I doubt he can help. I’m sure this is some kind of psychological reaction to my mom’s death. It’s driving me nuts. Sally

Response:

try progressive relaxation excercises Jackie has posted them but if you want I can type one out for you-it is most often best if you can have someone with a soothing voice tape one of these or buy one on rebt.org–a good one is by Arnold Lazarus who has a very nice basso voice–I am sure this is just an anxious event that has become a habit-like a twitch, or like that kid we all knew in school who rolled his eyes or had this facial tick when he was inervated. I hate having my eyes examined–it is a long story going back to some childhood trauma-so when the doc gets close to my face with the goinoscope my head twiches-or rather my neck does this wiggle waggle I can only assume is my bodies way of trying to get away from him–without being too analytical–what are you trying to get away from that you can’t face–I know I know, it’s a big leap from cbt, but sometimes–it just makes some sense — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Sounds like an essential tremor. My father has it in his hands (can barely write) and his head nods back and forth. Essential tremors often are relieved temporarily by alcohol (don’t recommend in your case). It is made worse by anxiety. docs usually start with a beta blocker, like Inderal. A neurologist should be able to diagnose the cause of the tremor, Sally. Chip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My psychiatrist asked me what it was, as if I was some kind of expert. I have no idea what it is. I know it’s anxiety related, somehow. It’s some sort of reaction to my mother’s death and fear of the future, is the best thing I can tell. No meds help. Not Xanax or Buspar or Haldol. I’m taking the latter two as well as Coumadin for a blood clot in my lower left leg. Do you have any advice? I’d do anything to stop this. Hypnosis, anything. I look really retarded and just the feeling of being "clenched" at every waking moment is beginning to wear a little thin. Relaxation exersizes help momentarily and then I’m back to square one. I’m really desperate. Thanks LM. We so appreciate you. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi. I have a problem that I don’t know what it is or what I can do to help it. It’s really distressing me. My mother was diagnosed with cancer last year, and she died shortly afterward. When she was diagnosed, it scared me so much that I started holding my hand funny and started having involuntary movement in my neck. My head rocks back and forth constantly, unless I’m asleep. My psychiatrist asked me what it was, as if I was some kind of expert. I have no idea what it is. I know it’s anxiety related, somehow. It’s some sort of reaction to my mother’s death and fear of the future, is the best thing I can tell. No meds help. Not Xanax or Buspar or Haldol. I’m taking the latter two as well as Coumadin for a blood clot in my lower left leg. Do you have any advice? I’d do anything to stop this. Hypnosis, anything. I look really retarded and just the feeling of being "clenched" at every waking moment is beginning to wear a little thin. Relaxation exersizes help momentarily and then I’m back to square one. I’m really desperate. Thanks LM. We so appreciate you. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Skin crawling

admin — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 00:00:00 +0000

Question:

Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head. It was a very superficial feeling, so much so, that I thought I had a bug in my hair. I checked, no bug, thank god I was able to alleviate the sensation some by not having my hair in a ponytail. Rubbing my scalp or brushing my hair also alleviated the sensation for a few minutes. After a few hours of this, I started to feel anxious. It was a very disturbing sensation. When I woke up this morning, my head felt like it does when I`m late taking my paxil. With the way I took my meds yesterday (while preparing my weekly pill box) there`s a good chance I may not have taken a med or two. I didn`t think much of it, took my paxil this AM. I felt edgy for a few hours…….but I noticed that crawling sensation disappeared and hasn`t been back. I`m pretty sure this skin crawling was a withdrawal symptom. I`m so glad it is gone. I think it would have driven me crazy. I know, I know, I`m already half way there Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head. It was a very superficial feeling, so much so, that I thought I had a bug in my hair. I checked, no bug, thank god I was able to alleviate the sensation some by not having my hair in a ponytail. Rubbing my scalp or brushing my hair also alleviated the sensation for a few minutes. After a few hours of this, I started to feel anxious. It was a very disturbing sensation. When I woke up this morning, my head felt like it does when I`m late taking my paxil. With the way I took my meds yesterday (while preparing my weekly pill box) there`s a good chance I may not have taken a med or two. I didn`t think much of it, took my paxil this AM. I felt edgy for a few hours…….but I noticed that crawling sensation disappeared and hasn`t been back. I`m pretty sure this skin crawling was a withdrawal symptom. I`m so glad it is gone. I think it would have driven me crazy. I know, I know, I`m already half way there Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~

Oh yes, I have had this before. Both this and a lot of itching, particularly on my face when I reduce my Xanax. I do think this is a withdrawal symptom. It’s very annoying. I hope yours doesn’t return, Jackie. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head.

I get it on the same side of my head-I believe it is either my blood pressure dropping or just some vascular artifact-it is a creepy feeling-I also have been getting it in my right heel. It almost feels like something is crawling under the skin. Since I have begun a walking regimen it again may be a vascular sensation of pooling blood or a dilated arteriole-check your pressure lately? It was a very superficial feeling, so much so, that I thought I had a bug in my hair. I checked, no bug, thank god I was able to alleviate the sensation some by not having my hair in a ponytail. Rubbing my scalp or brushing my hair also alleviated the sensation for a few minutes. After a few hours of this, I started to feel anxious. It was a very disturbing sensation. When I woke up this morning, my head felt like it does when I`m late taking my paxil. With the way I took my meds yesterday (while preparing my weekly pill box) there`s a good chance I may not have taken a med or two. I didn`t think much of it, took my paxil this AM. I felt edgy for a few hours…….but I noticed that crawling sensation disappeared and hasn`t been back. I`m pretty sure this skin crawling was a withdrawal symptom.

could be but most of the time a discontinuation symptom off of paxil is the electric jolts-a beta blocker may have this side effect if missed as well think it would have driven me crazy. I know, I know, I`m already half way there Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head. I get it on the same side of my head-I believe it is either my blood pressure dropping or just some vascular artifact-it is a creepy feeling-I also have been getting it in my right heel. It almost feels like something is crawling under the skin. Since I have begun a walking regimen it again may be a vascular sensation of pooling blood or a dilated arteriole-check your pressure lately?

Have you two seen the movie *Alien*???? ;P Brrrrrrrrr….. now *my* skin is crawling!! MikeH ) . — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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So glad this went away for you, Jackie. I’ve had that sensation a lot, but I think it’s the blood vessels in my head due to the many headaches and migraines I’ve had in the past. {{{{{Jackie}}}}} Love, Di

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head. It was a very superficial feeling, so much so, that I thought I had a bug in my hair. I checked, no bug, thank god I was able to alleviate the sensation some by not having my hair in a ponytail. Rubbing my scalp or brushing my hair also alleviated the sensation for a few minutes. After a few hours of this, I started to feel anxious. It was a very disturbing sensation. When I woke up this morning, my head felt like it does when I`m late taking my paxil. With the way I took my meds yesterday (while preparing my weekly pill box) there`s a good chance I may not have taken a med or two. I didn`t think much of it, took my paxil this AM. I felt edgy for a few hours…….but I noticed that crawling sensation disappeared and hasn`t been back. I`m pretty sure this skin crawling was a withdrawal symptom. I`m so glad it is gone. I think it would have driven me crazy. I know, I know, I`m already half way there Jackie

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I do get the feeling that my skin is crawling when I’m having a bad panic. I mostly get it in my torso but sometimes in my limbs too. On rare occasion I’ve had ‘restless legs syndrome’. That feels a lot like bugs crawling on your legs You ever get that one? — it’s nasty! Wishing you calm, crawl-free skin!! — _TJ_

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head. It was a very superficial feeling, so much so, that I thought I had a bug in my hair. I checked, no bug, thank god I was able to alleviate the sensation some by not having my hair in a ponytail. Rubbing my scalp or brushing my hair also alleviated the sensation for a few minutes. After a few hours of this, I started to feel anxious. It was a very disturbing sensation. When I woke up this morning, my head felt like it does when I`m late taking my paxil. With the way I took my meds yesterday (while preparing my weekly pill box) there`s a good chance I may not have taken a med or two. I didn`t think much of it, took my paxil this AM. I felt edgy for a few hours…….but I noticed that crawling sensation disappeared and hasn`t been back. I`m pretty sure this skin crawling was a withdrawal symptom. I`m so glad it is gone. I think it would have driven me crazy. I know, I know, I`m already half way there

Jackie, the crawling sensation was a paresthesia due to Paxil withdrawal. Is it made worse by turning your head to one side or the other? This maneuver stretches the nerve roots that supply sensation to the scalp. Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Hi, Jackie, Glad the skin crawling has passed. I get this every now and then when I miss meds and definitely when I do a med change. smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head. It was a very superficial feeling, so much so, that I thought I had a bug in my hair. I checked, no bug, thank god I was able to alleviate the sensation some by not having my hair in a ponytail. Rubbing my scalp or brushing my hair also alleviated the sensation for a few minutes. After a few hours of this, I started to feel anxious. It was a very disturbing sensation. When I woke up this morning, my head felt like it does when I`m late taking my paxil. With the way I took my meds yesterday (while preparing my weekly pill box) there`s a good chance I may not have taken a med or two. I didn`t think much of it, took my paxil this AM. I felt edgy for a few hours…….but I noticed that crawling sensation disappeared and hasn`t been back. I`m pretty sure this skin crawling was a withdrawal symptom. I`m so glad it is gone. I think it would have driven me crazy. I know, I know, I`m already half way there Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I would send you some calming vibes, but that would be counter-productive, woudn`t it? ; ) Hope your feeling better by now. Bob On Mon, Jul 25, 2005, 6:49pm (EDT-2) Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head. It was a very superficial feeling, so much so, that I thought I had a bug in my hair. I checked, no bug, thank god I was able to alleviate the sensation some by not having my hair in a ponytail. Rubbing my scalp or brushing my hair also alleviated the sensation for a few minutes. After a few hours of this, I started to feel anxious. It was a very disturbing sensation. When I woke up this morning, my head felt like it does when I`m late taking my paxil. With the way I took my meds yesterday (while preparing my weekly pill box) there`s a good chance I may not have taken a med or two. I didn`t think much of it, took my paxil this AM. I felt edgy for a few hours…….but I noticed that crawling sensation disappeared and hasn`t been back. I`m pretty sure this skin crawling was a withdrawal symptom. I`m so glad it is gone. I think it would have driven me crazy. I know, I know, I`m already half way there Jackie — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I wish I had something useful to say. I don’t believe I’ve had this, but it ::sounds similar to an itch, in that it sounds like it affected your nerve ::endings? You would know more how that works than I. Remember my post a ::while back about physical symptoms causing anxiety? It sounds like that ::happened to you. Dear Bob, I do tend to get upset about physical sensations that I can`t explain away. This was one of them The crawling sensation has moved from the side of my head to the top. LOL! I find if I get anxious about it, it gets worse…. and lasts longer. I`m just trying to ignore it now. I know it will go away. Thanks for your reply Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I would send you some calming vibes, but that would be ::counter-productive, woudn`t it? ; ) :: ::Hope your feeling better by now. Thanks Bob! I`m doing better Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ::So glad this went away for you, Jackie. I’ve had that sensation a lot, but ::I think it’s the blood vessels in my head due to the many headaches and ::migraines I’ve had in the past. {{{{{Jackie}}}}} Dear Di, I forgot, I had a migraine Sat and Sunday. Sunday is the day the crawling started. Since Monday, I`ve had a sinus like headache that starts around mid afternoon. Coincidentally, that is around the time the crawling sensation starts. Thanks for the clue!! (((((Di))))) Jackie

{{{{{Jackie}}}}} I hope you start to feel better soon. Love, Di — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear People, You ever have the sensation that your skin is crawling? Yesterday afternoon, I started getting this intense crawling sensation on the left side of my head. It was a very superficial feeling, so much so, that I thought I had a bug in my hair. I checked, no bug, thank god I was able to alleviate the sensation some by not having my hair in a ponytail. Rubbing my scalp or brushing my hair also alleviated the sensation for a few minutes. After a few hours of this, I started to feel anxious. It was a very disturbing sensation. When I woke up this morning, my head felt like it does when I`m late taking my paxil. With the way I took my meds yesterday (while preparing my weekly pill box) there`s a good chance I may not have taken a med or two. I didn`t think much of it, took my paxil this AM. I felt edgy for a few hours…….but I noticed that crawling sensation disappeared and hasn`t been back. I`m pretty sure this skin crawling was a withdrawal symptom. I`m so glad it is gone. I think it would have driven me crazy. I know, I know, I`m already half way there Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~

Gosh Jackie, if you’re halfway there, I’m pretty much there. : ) I wish I had something useful to say. I don’t believe I’ve had this, but it sounds similar to an itch, in that it sounds like it affected your nerve endings? You would know more how that works than I. Remember my post a while back about physical symptoms causing anxiety? It sounds like that happened to you. Take Care, Bob — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Jackie, the crawling sensation was a paresthesia due to Paxil withdrawal. I thought it was too…….but it is still happening even though I am taking my paxil. ::Is it made worse by turning your head to one side or the other? This ::maneuver stretches the nerve roots that supply sensation to the scalp. I didn`t notice that at all. I do notice that it seems to only happen when I am on the computer. I also been battling a strange headache the last few days. It feels like sinuses and/or eye strain. I wonder if this is all related. Thanks for your reply Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Jackie, I got that in my twenties, and the doctor took me off birth control pills and it went away. I have also, in later years, had that sensation on my ankle, looked it up, and it is supposedly a menopausal symptom! Dot — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Jackie, I got that in my twenties, and the doctor took me off birth ::control pills and it went away. :: ::I have also, in later years, had that sensation on my ankle, looked it ::up, and it is supposedly a menopausal symptom! That`s interesting! Hopefully this will go away soon. Thanks Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I get it on the same side of my head-I believe it is either my blood ::pressure dropping or just some vascular artifact-it is a creepy ::feeling-I also have been getting it in my right heel. It almost feels ::like something is crawling under the skin. Since I have begun a ::walking regimen it again may be a vascular sensation of pooling blood ::or a dilated arteriole-check your pressure lately? Maybe this is a New York thing? Well, I`m still getting this sensation everyday. It`s much less intense and only lasts a few seconds. It seems paxil, or shall I say, lack of paxil, isn`t to blame being I`ve taken it the last two days. I did screw around with my beta blocker dose, so who knows Maybe we should stop wearing our hair in such tight pony tails Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Ohhhhhhhhhhhh do I know it ? Nowadays when it starts I allmost ::immediatly know i forgot my meds . ::It is a ver disturbing feeling Dear Anna, away soon. It`s too annoying Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I have had this before. Both this and a lot of itching, particularly ::on my face when I reduce my Xanax. I do think this is a withdrawal ::symptom. It’s very annoying. I hope yours doesn’t return, Jackie. Dear Sally, I seem to get rid of one symptom just to pick up a new one Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::I do get the feeling that my skin is crawling when I’m having a bad ::panic. I mostly get it in my torso but sometimes in my limbs too. ::On rare occasion I’ve had ‘restless legs syndrome’. That feels a lot ::like bugs crawling on your legs You ever get that one? — it’s nasty! :: ::Wishing you calm, crawl-free skin!! Dear TJ, One site I read did mention that the skin crawling was similar to RLS. I always feel more itchy and uncomfortable skin-wise during the Summer. Maybe it`s all the insect bites I have. Right now I am sporting quite a few mosquito bites. Hope you are still doing well on the paxil! Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Have you two seen the movie *Alien*???? ;P I did when it was in the theaters way back in 1979 One of the most terrifying movies I have ever seen. ::Brrrrrrrrr….. now *my* skin is crawling!! Are you accusing me and LM of being aliens? Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::Glad the skin crawling has passed. I get this every now and then when I ::miss meds and definitely when I do a med change. It`s an annoying sensation, huh? I hope you are well Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh do I know it ? Nowadays when it starts I allmost immediatly know i forgot my meds . It is a ver disturbing feeling Love from Anna — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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::So glad this went away for you, Jackie. I’ve had that sensation a lot, but ::I think it’s the blood vessels in my head due to the many headaches and ::migraines I’ve had in the past. {{{{{Jackie}}}}} Dear Di, I forgot, I had a migraine Sat and Sunday. Sunday is the day the crawling started. Since Monday, I`ve had a sinus like headache that starts around mid afternoon. Coincidentally, that is around the time the crawling sensation starts. Thanks for the clue!! (((((Di))))) Jackie ~*~Life was so much easier when your clothes didn’t match and boys had cooties~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Trazodone for Restlest Leg Syndrome and Insomnia

admin — Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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||| I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for ||| insomnia or restless leg syndrome. My doc prescribed it for me ||| yesterday and just wanted a little feedback from you guys. ||| ||| Thanks! ||| ||| Love, ||| ||| Vicki || || I have had restless leg syndrome.. but never on a regular basis. || When I did experience it, it was HORRIBLE. I find that I go to || sleep and wake up shaking my feet and legs around… always have.. || pretty weird huh? Not violent shaking.. but like moving my feet || from side to side… || || Sorry I cant offer any suggestions for your question.. guess I just || wanted to let you know that I can relate to the leg thing.. it || sucks!! || || Stacy || || | | I started the med Friday night and slept like a baby along with a | Klonopin. The doc said use both because the Trazodone may take a few | weeks to work and many are treated for it with klonopin as well. I | slept 9 1/2 hours Friday night and went to sleep Sat. at 8:45pm and | woke up and 9:30 this morning!!!!! Unreal for me! So far so good! | | Thanks, Stacy, | | Vicki Oh so you are starting to sleep like I do.. 12 hours a pop… I hate doing that.. but my sleep is broken lots during the night. Im glad you are getting sleep!! It will really help with the other problems too. Lack of sleep sure doesnt help us with our anxiety issues!

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Hi Vicki, I have a very close friend who takes Trazadone for insomnia and I can verify its effectiveness;) Don’t know about its effect on restless legs syndrome. love Meryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for insomnia or restless leg syndrome. My doc prescribed it for me yesterday and just wanted a little feedback from you guys. Thanks! Love, Vicki

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I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for insomnia or restless leg syndrome. My doc prescribed it for me yesterday and just wanted a little feedback from you guys. Thanks! Love, Vicki

It’s originally an antidepressant but not of much use in that dept. However it is often successfully prescribed as a sleeping aid. I don’t know about RLS. The main medication for that is a benzo…. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Anyone have any side effects from using Trazadone? Bizarre dreams? I’m taking Ambien but it only gets me to sleep…it doesn’t get me a good 8 hours. Thanks, Martha

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for insomnia or restless leg syndrome. My doc prescribed it for me yesterday and just wanted a little feedback from you guys. Thanks! Love, Vicki It’s originally an antidepressant but not of much use in that dept. However it is often successfully prescribed as a sleeping aid. I don’t know about RLS. The main medication for that is a benzo…. Philip

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Martha wrote; Anyone have any side effects from using Trazadone? Bizarre dreams? I’m taking Ambien but it only gets me to sleep…it doesn’t get me a good 8 hours. Thanks, Martha

Martha, I didn’t do so well on Trazadone. The first few times I took it, it did make me sleep, but in a few days, I went back to having insomnia, only I felt heavily medicated — and when I did manage to sleep, I awakened with that same druggy feeling. No bizarre dreams. It just wasn’t the right medication for me, but YMMV. My younger son sleeps very well on Trazadone, and has never mentioned any vivid dreaming. Sara ^..^< Anxiety, I can’t get nothin done Anxiety destroys all the fun – Pat Benetar

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That’s what my NP said, Phil. She said it dated back to the 60’s and is not a very good anti-depressant but does help with sleep and restless leg syndrome. Since Friday night, I have slept all night and have awaken feeling very good so it must be doing something. Of course I am taking a Klonopin with it, so could be the combo for now. At least I feel better, and that is what counts. Vic

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Don’t laugh at this, but I heard a doctor on TV tonight suggest taking quinine for restless leg syndrome. He suggested trying a glass of tonic water before bedtime as a home remedy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any side effects from using Trazadone? Bizarre dreams? I’m taking Ambien but it only gets me to sleep…it doesn’t get me a good 8 hours. Thanks, Martha I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for insomnia or restless leg syndrome. My doc prescribed it for me yesterday and just wanted a little feedback from you guys. Thanks! Love, Vicki It’s originally an antidepressant but not of much use in that dept. However it is often successfully prescribed as a sleeping aid. I don’t know about RLS. The main medication for that is a benzo…. Philip

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I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for insomnia or restless leg syndrome

good for insomnia-poor for restless leg, unless its caused by anxiety and not by the normal autonomic form of arousal of muscles. The drug requip works pretty good as do long acting benzos, particularly valium and klonopin. Excercise also helps as can some nutrional suplements like long acting niacinamide. LM

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I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for insomnia or restless leg syndrome good for insomnia-poor for restless leg, unless its caused by anxiety and not by the normal autonomic form of arousal of muscles. The drug requip works pretty good as do long acting benzos, particularly valium and klonopin. Excercise also helps as can some nutrional suplements like long acting niacinamide. LM

So far it seems to be working and my husband says I am not kicking and jerking my legs at night. Perhaps my problem is from anxiety. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised. Vicki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for | insomnia or restless leg syndrome. My doc prescribed it for me | yesterday and just wanted a little feedback from you guys. | | Thanks! | | Love, | | Vicki I have had restless leg syndrome.. but never on a regular basis. When I did experience it, it was HORRIBLE. I find that I go to sleep and wake up shaking my feet and legs around… always have.. pretty weird huh? Not violent shaking.. but like moving my feet from side to side… Sorry I cant offer any suggestions for your question.. guess I just wanted to let you know that I can relate to the leg thing.. it sucks!! Stacy

I started the med Friday night and slept like a baby along with a Klonopin. The doc said use both because the Trazodone may take a few weeks to work and many are treated for it with klonopin as well. I slept 9 1/2 hours Friday night and went to sleep Sat. at 8:45pm and woke up and 9:30 this morning!!!!! Unreal for me! So far so good! Thanks, Stacy, Vicki

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| I would like some thoughts from anyone who has taken trazodone for | insomnia or restless leg syndrome. My doc prescribed it for me | yesterday and just wanted a little feedback from you guys. | | Thanks! | | Love, | | Vicki I have had restless leg syndrome.. but never on a regular basis. When I did experience it, it was HORRIBLE. I find that I go to sleep and wake up shaking my feet and legs around… always have.. pretty weird huh? Not violent shaking.. but like moving my feet from side to side… Sorry I cant offer any suggestions for your question.. guess I just wanted to let you know that I can relate to the leg thing.. it sucks!! Stacy

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Adrenalin Surge at sleep… ????

admin — Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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I have the same "rush" when taking a nap on the couch without my CPAP. In my case it’s the result of having gone without breathing for an extended period of time, caused by an obstruction in the airways. The rush I believe is the sideeffect of the body mustering all its resources in order to restart breathing. I’m inclined to call it near death experiences. I would get a sleepstudy if I were you. On a side note, it is an hypothesis of mine that before my OSA condition was diagnosed, I went thru so many terrifying episodes of unconsciously struggling for breath, that this has caused me to turn prematurely grey-haired. I’d be interested to hear from anyone else with diagnosed OSA that has gone grey before their time. A for O in my address if you want to know more.. All the best, "Freewheelin’" escribi

Little update

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she told me I need to talk to my GP as I have some typical syptoms of depresion. (I’m not surprised).

Glad to see that someone’s watching out for you! I hope you’ll take the advice. It’s important for you to take care of yourself. My thoughts and prayers are with you and Cathy. Take care. …lisa

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Thanks everyone. Robert and Cathy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, Just a little update. Cathy is feeling lots better since the anti depressants and I feel better able to cope seeing her smile a little more. She gets very tired but we manage to go for short drives to the shops together and even have a small lunch out every so often. Our time is so precious now. Cathy is having Etopicide (Oral) for a week but gets a bit light headed. Needs some blood and we go on Tuesday to get a couple of units at the hospital. I have difficulty sleeping well, seem to be fighting all night and when I get up the bedroom looks like a war zone…….stress I think. Anyway back to lurking for a while. Love and health to you all Robert and Cathy XX

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Robert, glad to hear Cathy is perking up a bit! For your sleep problems you should give Ambien (sp?) a try. It works great, without the "drugged" feeling of a sleeping pill.

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Hi all, Just a little update. Cathy is feeling lots better since the anti depressants and I feel better able to cope seeing her smile a little more. She gets very tired but we manage to go for short drives to the shops together and even have a small lunch out every so often. Our time is so precious now. Cathy is having Etopicide (Oral) for a week but gets a bit light headed. Needs some blood and we go on Tuesday to get a couple of units at the hospital. I have difficulty sleeping well, seem to be fighting all night and when I get up the bedroom looks like a war zone…….stress I think. Anyway back to lurking for a while. Love and health to you all Robert and Cathy XX

Hello Robert and Cathy! Glad to hear a smile is coming through for you now and then there. I’m in remission for Hodkgin’s Lymphoma. Could you tell me exactly what Cathy is battling? Seems to me I remember you mentioning Lymphoma. My thoughts and prayers for you both to find some delightful, light-hearted moments and memories in the days ahead. Blessings, Nance T.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, Hello Robert and Cathy! Glad to hear a smile is coming through for you now and then there. I’m in remission for Hodkgin’s Lymphoma. Could you tell me exactly what Cathy is battling? Seems to me I remember you mentioning Lymphoma. My thoughts and prayers for you both to find some delightful, light-hearted moments and memories in the days ahead. Blessings, Nance T.

Hi Nance T and all in this group. Cathy has NHL, she had CHOP X 6, 4weeks radiation, BEAM and last December a stem cell transplant. Unfortunatly she relapsed and the lymphoma returned in her stomach, bone marrow and lungs. It has been a long fight full of hope to end up here. Anyway Cathy is on oral Etopicide now which seems to help but I spoke a little soon with yesterdays post. Soon afterwards she got some quite acute pain in her back and shoulders. We dealt with it by way of co-codamol 500/30 tabs but Cathy dosn’t like taking paracetomol as it makes her sweat, similar to night sweats. We will sort this out with the doctor next Tuesday and get something without paracetomol but I am annoyed with myself for not anticipating it. We are quite cheery and do laugh a lot but we had a visit from the clinical psychiatrist today and after a chat she told me I need to talk to my GP as I have some typical syptoms of depresion. (I’m not surprised). Sorry to ramble on so much but I feel better getting all that out in the open. Love to you and all in the group Robert and Cathy XX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Just a little update. Cathy is feeling lots better since the anti depressants and I feel better able to cope seeing her smile a little more. She gets very tired but we manage to go for short drives to the shops together and even have a small lunch out every so often. Our time is so precious now. Cathy is having Etopicide (Oral) for a week but gets a bit light headed. Needs some blood and we go on Tuesday to get a couple of units at the hospital. I have difficulty sleeping well, seem to be fighting all night and when I get up the bedroom looks like a war zone…….stress I think.

Hello Robert, Glad you and Cathy are getting some quality time now and that her symptoms are being managed. While you are partnering with Cathy and her doctors in her care, you are also a caregiver. Caregiver’s need to take care of themselves also. Sounds like stress or restless legs syndrome (actually some sleep/AD meds cause that in me) or maybe bad dreams? Hope you can find time to talk to your doctor about maybe some help with the sleep. Best, ( ( ( Robert and Cathy ) ) ) J

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Help!!!! Can't fall asleep aching in limbs

admin — Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Until you find out the reason for the aches and cramps, try using an electric blanket (I do) and don’t forget to get your potassium. Loretta "Fred" wrote in message

news:RXgCa.24342$M01.5530@sccrnsc02… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I am so glad there is a sleep disorder group. Let me start by saying that I > have been using a CPAP for the past 2 years and it has been very effective. > For the past several months I have been suffering with a bad case of > insomnia. Even if I am dog tired, when I lie down, I feel an aching all up > and down my limbs. Sometimes it will be my left arm, sometimes my left leg. > Occasionally I experience this weird aching sensation on my right side. It > is bad enough that I am distracted and unable to fall asleep. > I don’t have any medical insurance and really want to avoid going to a Dr > because of the extra cost. Last thursday was the first night I couldnt fall > asleep at all. I finally got up at 4am and got ready for work. I somehow > managed to put in a full day. That night I was so exhausted, I finally > slept. Tonight the aches have returned and I find myself here writing this > post. I am so miserable and I am close to tears. I just cant take this > anymore and need others advice. > What can I do?? > Fred > McKinney, Texas

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In article , fredw.nos…@mymailspot.com says… <> > Even if I am dog tired, when I lie down, I feel an aching all up > and down my limbs. Sometimes it will be my left arm, sometimes my left leg. > Occasionally I experience this weird aching sensation on my right side. It > is bad enough that I am distracted and unable to fall asleep. > I don’t have any medical insurance and really want to avoid going to a Dr > because of the extra cost. Last thursday was the first night I couldnt fall > asleep at all. I finally got up at 4am and got ready for work. I somehow > managed to put in a full day. That night I was so exhausted, I finally > slept. Tonight the aches have returned and I find myself here writing this > post. I am so miserable and I am close to tears. I just cant take this > anymore and need others advice. > What can I do??

I get the same or similar aches and pains. The first few times I woke and thought it was heart related with the pain in the left side, numbness, etc… Turns out that in my case it was (and still is) a pinched nerve in the neck. Gets aggravated with different positions and causes the pains exactly as you described. I found that sleeping in a recliner helps keep my neck straight- no pinching on the nerve, no ache. In bed, it helps if I have my pillows adjusted to keep the neck straight but the recliner works better. It’s worth a try- won’t cost anything, and you might feel better in the morning. — Sleepless by choice not chance, Vic

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> I am so glad there is a sleep disorder group. Let me start by saying that I > have been using a CPAP for the past 2 years and it has been very effective. > For the past several months I have been suffering with a bad case of > insomnia. Even if I am dog tired, when I lie down, I feel an aching all up > and down my limbs. Sometimes it will be my left arm, sometimes my left leg. > Occasionally I experience this weird aching sensation on my right side. It > is bad enough that I am distracted and unable to fall asleep.

You really need to find the cause of your aches……but in the mean time, make sure you do some gentle stretching excercises before going to sleep. You could also try a relaxing warm bath with some salts or bath oils or something, amazing how that can ease the aches — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

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Hi, I am so glad there is a sleep disorder group. Let me start by saying that I have been using a CPAP for the past 2 years and it has been very effective. For the past several months I have been suffering with a bad case of insomnia. Even if I am dog tired, when I lie down, I feel an aching all up and down my limbs. Sometimes it will be my left arm, sometimes my left leg. Occasionally I experience this weird aching sensation on my right side. It is bad enough that I am distracted and unable to fall asleep. I don’t have any medical insurance and really want to avoid going to a Dr because of the extra cost. Last thursday was the first night I couldnt fall asleep at all. I finally got up at 4am and got ready for work. I somehow managed to put in a full day. That night I was so exhausted, I finally slept. Tonight the aches have returned and I find myself here writing this post. I am so miserable and I am close to tears. I just cant take this anymore and need others advice. What can I do?? Fred McKinney, Texas

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"Fred" wrote in message

Fred How about taking a look at this site: http://www.rls.webcentral.com.au ? And there is Beth’s web site: http://www.talhost.net/sleep/rls.htm If you think your symptoms sound like Restless Legs Syndrome then you maybe could do a bit more research on this topic. Outside of going to a Dr, I’m not sure what really helps for this. Lindy posted a thread "RLS" yesterday & some of that information may be helpful. Sorry I can’t be more help – I feel for you. Kit — To reply replace nospam with kamuzz

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Lexapro: Smallest dosage for Success?

admin — Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the smallest dosage that is usually possible to achieve successfull results? I started on only 10mg tablet of lexapro, but was also taking imiramine 25mg daily. I was SO SLEEPY–Yawing etc. that I stopped the imipramine to see if that would relieve the sleepiness, tiredness. It helped but only slightly, so I cut the Leapro pill in-half(now 5mg) and the sleepiness was greatly improved. Today I started back with the full 10 mg to see if I would feel less depressed. So-I guess I’m trying to understand what dosage is recommended (long term) with good results. Thanks. dan Dear Dan, I have been on Lexapro 10mg since November. For a while I had the extreme sleepiness you described. I had it during the day and then at night insomnia! Anyway, after a couple of months that sleepiness went away and since my doc gave me Klonopin to help at night I am sleeping better. I have noticed I have started having night jerks on Lexapro. Since taking Klonopin at night that has subsided. How long have you taken Lexapro? I feel it is finally helping me or either my outlook on life has changed one! Good luck, Vicki Vicki ? What are the night jerks that you are having? Iam having like a muscle spasm or something similiar to what you describe, but I thought it was from what’s called degenerative disc. Now I’m not sure. Hope to hear from you on this. Dan It seems just as I doze off to sleep my arms or legs will jerk, like a muscle spasm. It started after I started taking Lexapro. I wonder if Margrove could help us out here. My husband said sometimes I do that all night but since taking the Klonopin it has gotten better. *Twitching* is a common side effect of SSRI’s. In understand that you don’t have this during the day and that Klonopin helps. This is in keeping with research (as a matter of fact benzos are used for *Restless Legs Syndrome*). Should you develop more involuntary movements and also have them during the day it would be wise to consult your doctor. Philip

It is never during the day, only just as I fall asleep, like when I relax completely it happens. I have found the Klonopin to be very helpful but I may try the vitamin supplement also. Vicki

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Ok I remember what the supplement was but I couldn’t find the page where I saw it. The supplement was lecithin. Never tried it myself. Gabe

LOL. Ok, I was wrong. It’s worth a try, I am sure. vicki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Vicki ? What are the night jerks that you are having? Iam having like a muscle spasm or something similiar to what you describe, but I thought it was from what’s called degenerative disc. Now I’m not sure. Hope to hear from you on this. Dan It seems just as I doze off to sleep my arms or legs will jerk, like a muscle spasm. It started after I started taking Lexapro. I wonder if Margrove could help us out here. My husband said sometimes I do that all night but since taking the Klonopin it has gotten better. Just popping into this thread to say me too. My legs having been doing this for at least 6 or 7 months now. I think it started somewhere between the Zoloft and Effexor and now has continued into the Wellbutrin. ;-) I remember posting something with the subject line, "twitching legs" and the general consensus here was that I was experiencing something called myoclonic jerks. The following is snipped from this website: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/pubs/myoclonus_doc.htm What is myoclonus? Myoclonus describes a symptom and generally is not a diagnosis of a disease. It refers to sudden, involuntary jerking of a muscle or group of muscles. Myoclonic twitches or jerks usually are caused by sudden muscle contractions, called positive myoclonus, or by muscle relaxation, called negative myoclonus. Myoclonic jerks may occur alone or in sequence, in a pattern or without pattern. They may occur infrequently or many times each minute. Myoclonus sometimes occurs in response to an external event or when a person attempts to make a movement. The twitching cannot be controlled by the person experiencing it. In its simplest form, myoclonus consists of a muscle twitch followed by relaxation. A hiccup is an example of this type of myoclonus. Other familiar examples of myoclonus are the jerks or "sleep starts" that some people experience while drifting off to sleep. These simple forms of myoclonus occur in normal, healthy persons and cause no difficulties. It goes on in the article but then they start to touch upon every scary possible scenario. That’s where an anxiety sufferer should probably stop.

Hmmm, I have heard this too. Maybe it was folic acid, or Calcium and Magnesium. Can’t remember…..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Vicki ? What are the night jerks that you are having? Iam having like a muscle spasm or something similiar to what you describe, but I thought it was from what’s called degenerative disc. Now I’m not sure. Hope to hear from you on this. Dan It seems just as I doze off to sleep my arms or legs will jerk, like a muscle spasm. It started after I started taking Lexapro. I wonder if Margrove could help us out here. My husband said sometimes I do that all night but since taking the Klonopin it has gotten better. Just popping into this thread to say me too. My legs having been doing this for at least 6 or 7 months now. I think it started somewhere between the Zoloft and Effexor and now has continued into the Wellbutrin. ;-) I remember posting something with the subject line, "twitching legs" and the general consensus here was that I was experiencing something called myoclonic jerks. The following is snipped from this website: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/pubs/myoclonus_doc.htm What is myoclonus? Myoclonus describes a symptom and generally is not a diagnosis of a disease. It refers to sudden, involuntary jerking of a muscle or group of muscles. Myoclonic twitches or jerks usually are caused by sudden muscle contractions, called positive myoclonus, or by muscle relaxation, called negative myoclonus. Myoclonic jerks may occur alone or in sequence, in a pattern or without pattern. They may occur infrequently or many times each minute. Myoclonus sometimes occurs in response to an external event or when a person attempts to make a movement. The twitching cannot be controlled by the person experiencing it. In its simplest form, myoclonus consists of a muscle twitch followed by relaxation. A hiccup is an example of this type of myoclonus. Other familiar examples of myoclonus are the jerks or "sleep starts" that some people experience while drifting off to sleep. These simple forms of myoclonus occur in normal, healthy persons and cause no difficulties. It goes on in the article but then they start to touch upon every scary possible scenario. That’s where an anxiety sufferer should probably stop.

Hi, I’ve had this problem and heard about it–It’s common. My dad is on Effexor XR and he told his doctor about it and the docter said get a sleep study done. What a rip-off. What’s a neurologist going to tell you? Anyway, I remember doing some research and indirectly finding a site that says a vitamin supplement helps eliminate this. Unfortunately, I don’t remember which one it was. Sorry. It might have been Folic Acid. I’ll try and find the info again but if anyone knows… Gabe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is the smallest dosage that is usually possible to achieve successfull results? I started on only 10mg tablet of lexapro, but was also taking imiramine 25mg daily. I was SO SLEEPY–Yawing etc. that I stopped the imipramine to see if that would relieve the sleepiness, tiredness. It helped but only slightly, so I cut the Leapro pill in-half(now 5mg) and the sleepiness was greatly improved. Today I started back with the full 10 mg to see if I would feel less depressed. So-I guess I’m trying to understand what dosage is recommended (long term) with good results. Thanks. dan Dear Dan, I have been on Lexapro 10mg since November. For a while I had the extreme sleepiness you described. I had it during the day and then at night insomnia! Anyway, after a couple of months that sleepiness went away and since my doc gave me Klonopin to help at night I am sleeping better. I have noticed I have started having night jerks on Lexapro. Since taking Klonopin at night that has subsided. How long have you taken Lexapro? I feel it is finally helping me or either my outlook on life has changed one! Good luck, Vicki Vicki ? What are the night jerks that you are having? Iam having like a muscle spasm or something similiar to what you describe, but I thought it was from what’s called degenerative disc. Now I’m not sure. Hope to hear from you on this. Dan It seems just as I doze off to sleep my arms or legs will jerk, like a muscle spasm. It started after I started taking Lexapro. I wonder if Margrove could help us out here. My husband said sometimes I do that all night but since taking the Klonopin it has gotten better.

*Twitching* is a common side effect of SSRI’s. In understand that you don’t have this during the day and that Klonopin helps. This is in keeping with research (as a matter of fact benzos are used for *Restless Legs Syndrome*). Should you develop more involuntary movements and also have them during the day it would be wise to consult your doctor. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Thanks Teri, at least now I know what it’s called. It’s annoying to me and my poor hubby. LOL Vicki

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I like to add that the jerks at night may also be from being paniky all day and it’s your body releasing tension. I had this everyday when my PA’s were at it’s worse. Just a thought…

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It seems just as I doze off to sleep my arms or legs will jerk, like a muscle spasm. It started after I started taking Lexapro. I wonder if Margrove could help us out here. My husband said sometimes I do that all night but since taking the Klonopin it has gotten better.

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Vicki ? What are the night jerks that you are having? Iam having like a muscle spasm or something similiar to what you describe, but I thought it was from what’s called degenerative disc. Now I’m not sure. Hope to hear from you on this. Dan

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I am taking celexa, when I first began I had the same symptoms. I followed advice given here and took it at night. It puts me to sleep and I feel fine during the day.

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Thanks Vicki I have been on lexapro for one month tomorrow and see my Pdoc also tomorrow. I have been on Celexa and zoloft prior to that. Need to find a medicine to stick with for awhile. I know exactly what you mean about sleepy all day and then insomnia. But my doctor’s to that is to take it at night rather than the morning. (I have xanax to get to sleep. But the doctor doesn’t seem to want me to keep taking that). Guess I’ll ask to stay on lexapro for awhile longer. Take care! dan

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What is the smallest dosage that is usually possible to achieve successfull results? I started on only 10mg tablet of lexapro, but was also taking imiramine 25mg daily. I was SO SLEEPY–Yawing etc. that I stopped the imipramine to see if that would relieve the sleepiness, tiredness. It helped but only slightly, so I cut the Leapro pill in-half(now 5mg) and the sleepiness was greatly improved. Today I started back with the full 10 mg to see if I would feel less depressed. So-I guess I’m trying to understand what dosage is recommended (long term) with good results. Thanks. dan

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Dear Dan, I have been on Lexapro 10mg since November. For a while I had the extreme sleepiness you described. I had it during the day and then at night insomnia! Anyway, after a couple of months that sleepiness went away and since my doc gave me Klonopin to help at night I am sleeping better. I have noticed I have started having night jerks on Lexapro. Since taking Klonopin at night that has subsided. How long have you taken Lexapro? I feel it is finally helping me or either my outlook on life has changed one! Good luck, Vicki

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Pain Meds

admin — Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Check with your pharmacist to find out the total milligram dosage of ibuprofen and ketoprofen. You would be very smart not to exceed that to avoid toxicity and/or liver/ kidney damage. This does not even address rebound headaches from constant use of analgesics. Marnette I am not a physician.

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Regarding usage of Fioricet/Fiorinal, Fiorinal seems to be the only medication that really works when I can’t "catch" the HA in time with Advil. My doctor will no longer write prescriptions for anything with codeine, but will still give me Fiorinal. He’s also just given me Imitrex pills, but since I’m trying to get pregnant I’m wary of taking it unless I absolutely have to. Anyway, Fiorinal has saved my life many times over the last 20 or so years. Like many HA sufferers, I’m never without out a couple of them "just in case"…Good luck. Katherine

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: : : To you, and to anyone else who may read this, what are your doctors’ : : attitudes toward your use of Fioricet/Fiorinal and Tylenol #3? : : My neurologist won’t prescribe anything addictive (although he’s missed : the fact that the caffeine in my Norgesic Forte is addictive), so he : won’t prescribe any of those. : : This is fine with me, since I’m a recovering alcoholic. : Your neurologist is behind the times. His attitude about addictive medications is perfectly aligned with my own. : What are commonly called : "narcotics," but more correctly called opioids, because they are : morphine-like, have been found to be safe and non-addictive for more : than 99% of "chronic pain" sufferers! For chronic pain, these are the : most natural of all drugs — after all our own bodies produce morphine, : just not enough to handle _all_ the pain when we develop a severe : chronic pain condition. [snipped the rest] It is clear that we have had different experiences and therefore look at some things differently. I’m sorry you’ve had the bad experiences that you have had. We have different needs, and therefore we have made different choices. Good luck to you, and take care! Priscilla

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Dear RED — My heart goes out to you. This is a place you can always come to for information, for comfort or to vent your frustration with being in pain. Marnette

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: To you, and to anyone else who may read this, what are your doctors’ : attitudes toward your use of Fioricet/Fiorinal and Tylenol #3? My neurologist won’t prescribe anything addictive (although he’s missed the fact that the caffeine in my Norgesic Forte is addictive), so he won’t prescribe any of those. This is fine with me, since I’m a recovering alcoholic. Priscilla

Your neurologist is behind the times. What are commonly called "narcotics," but more correctly called opioids, because they are morphine-like, have been found to be safe and non-addictive for more than 99% of "chronic pain" sufferers! For chronic pain, these are the most natural of all drugs — after all our own bodies produce morphine, just not enough to handle _all_ the pain when we develop a severe chronic pain condition. This is one of the newest findings on the treatment of chronic pain. There are some important things to be considered, and treatment of chronic pain with round-the-clock opioids should be the last resort. But many of us _have_ reached the end of the rope. I have two neurologists, and a rheumatologist, all of whom have urged my primary care physician to keep me on MS Contin (Morphine Sulfate continuous, that is, long-acting) as well as high doses of Talwin Nx (a Demerol-like drug) round-the-clock. Because of this treatment, for the first time in 19 years, I am actually _functional_, and that is the goal for treatment of chronic pain. I have severe cluster headache (since ‘77) as well as neuralgic headache (from a damaged nerve in my head, same side as cluster headache site — have had surgery). I also have very severe fibromyalia syndrome (FMS), which is pain in _all_ the muscles, and completely disabling when exacerbated, and the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) which always accompanies the FMS. In addition, I have a very painful sacroiliac joint — some degeneration, and a great deal of inflammation (for this I take 2400 mg Motrin per day, in addition to the opioids). In other words, I have _pain_ throughout my body every moment of every day. But, here’s the kicker: I am _not_ depressed, thanks to the mellow high of the opioids. I am not on any dangerous medications anymore, although I take 74 pills per day (many are vitamins, minerals and other supplements) and have a healthy heart, kidneys, liver, etc. I do have a condition that is worse than any pain I can think of. It is called akathisia. It is a neurological condition caused by the antidepressants they tried in the ’80s for the headaches. The doctors continued using the antidepressants, as well as some phenothiazines (such as the Trilafon in Triavil) after this symptom appeared in mid’83. I was put on every antidepressant in the PDR at that time, through Prozac, which was the very newest. The akathisia became so severe that I was writhing with it day and night. It is a condition, like restless legs syndrome, but somewhat different, and harder to treat. It causes my legs to writhe, prevents sleep, causes me to contract all my poor sore muscles, and affects the functionality of my mind, cutting off short term memory altogether, almost like an absence seizure, and not allowing me to keep a single thought together. This means that I cannot sleep, I certainly cannot sit (akathisia means "the inability to remain in a sitting position"), and I can do nothing productive, because I temporarily lose the use of my mind. Many heavy-duty medications have been tried for this, and I still have to resort to one, once in a while. But the opioids have been the best treatment for this, too. I now actually sleep, and only have one or two "attacks" of the akathisia a day now. I apologize for the length of this, but I think it is important for all of us to be aware of the dangers of antidepressants (even if they call them SSRIs, like Prozac, Zoloft, etc.), and the benefits of opioids. I have printed material on the results of research showing that regular, round-the-clock use of opioids, even morphine, is safe for _chronic pain_ sufferers. E-mail me directly, and I will be happy to share more information on what I have said here. I just can’t stand to read post after post with so much failure, anger, and what I consider malpractice, described. We are in pain. We are people in pain, not numbers or cases. It’s time we were treated appropriately. If we are armed with the facts, we can challenge our doctors to do better, or find better doctors, and find, if not cures, at least lives, lives that allow us to function again. It’s there! We can get it.

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I’m swallowing ibuprofen or ketoprofen by the multiple doses (6 tabs each time) and that just doesn’t cut it.

I know the feeling. Before getting with my current neurologist I ended up giving myself tylenol poisoning. Not fun!! To you, and to anyone else who may read this, what are your doctors’ attitudes toward your use of Fioricet/Fiorinal and Tylenol #3?

My neurologist was giving them to me with three refills and 50 dosages a script until just this last week. When I went to go get them he had changed the prescription to only 30 pills and no refills. I think that is just his way of monitoring how many I am taking but who knows. Ihave to go see him next week and I will end up asking him about it. Karen

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Hi David, You are indeed fortunate that your Dr. is so understanding. My Dr. was only understanding up to a certain point, then cut me back, & referred me to a neurologist for a 2nd opinion…Have been without any Rx pain meds for two weeks & still have another week before the appt; I’m swallowing ibuprofen or ketoprofen by the multiple doses (6 tabs each time) and that just doesn’t cut it. To you, and to anyone else who may read this, what are your doctors’ attitudes toward your use of Fioricet/Fiorinal and Tylenol #3? Take care, Tom Tuel

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I guess that I am very lucky in one respect….I have a doc who is not afraid to prescribe pain meds for me…As a matter of fact he is always quick to ask me if I am running low…or I just have to ask him…. I take it this is not the norm ??? That is very unfortunate…Migraines are a horrible thing to live with…Pain meds make it bearable !!!

No David, this is not the norm….I could have written your post five months ago, but my doc of 14 years just sold his practice and the group that took over has said "we don’t prescribe those drugs"…and in the last six weeks I met a few more who suscribe to that philosophy…. watch the tolerance though…. Jonathan

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Writing On The Wall

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Kip King wrote: >>J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003 Apr;74(4):443-6 >>Cognitive impairment in probable multiple sclerosis. >>Achiron A, Barak Y >>Multiple Sclerosis Center, Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel. >>Abarbanel Mental Health Center, Bat Yam, Israel. >>[Medline record in process] >>Who loves ya. >>Tom > I’ve got about 100 or so phone numbers (with area codes) in my memory > and am playing some of the best chess of my life (and I’ve played > chess since I was three years old).

Kip, I think you forgot to remind everyone that this needed OT in the topic line. Trust me, if I could remember 100 or so phone numbers I wouldn’t have a problem remembering the OT. My previous near perfect memory would also be able to remember that some newsreaders change the OT. Carole

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Oh, Tooo-oooom…! Lookey here! This one’s gonna’ put a big fat ole’ smile on your cute l’il face when you digest the great news! Seems as tho’ we can *regain* lost cognitive function – and the remedy is cheap, fun (once you get into the habit) and something we can do almost anywhere without special equipment…*exercise*!!!! Aw, Tom…is that a big ole’ happy tear I see runnin’ down your jolly red cheek? Golly gee, you’re such a soft-hearted l’il guy! Well, don’t take my word for it, darlin’ – read it and feel free to continue weeping: : J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci 2003 Feb;58(2):176-80 Related Articles, Links Aerobic fitness reduces brain tissue loss in aging humans. Colcombe SJ, Erickson KI, Raz N, Webb AG, Cohen NJ, McAuley E, Kramer AF. Beckman Institute, University of Illinois, Urbana 61801, USA. BACKGROUND: The human brain gradually loses tissue from the third decade of life onward, with concomitant declines in cognitive performance. Given the projected rapid growth in aged populations, and the staggering costs associated with geriatric care, identifying mechanisms that may reduce or reverse cerebral deterioration is rapidly emerging as an important public health goal. Previous research has demonstrated that aerobic fitness training improves cognitive function in older adults and can improve brain health in aging laboratory animals, suggesting that aerobic fitness may provide a mechanism to improve cerebral health in aging humans. We examined the relationship between aerobic fitness and in vivo brain tissue density in an older adult population, using voxel-based morphometric techniques. METHODS: We acquired high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging scans from 55 older adults. These images were segmented into gray and white matter maps, registered into stereotaxic space, and examined for systematic variation in tissue density as a function of age, aerobic fitness, and a number of other health markers. RESULTS: Consistent with previous studies of aging and brain volume, we found robust declines in tissue densities as a function of age in the frontal, parietal, and temporal cortices. More importantly, we found that losses in these areas were substantially reduced as a function of cardiovascular fitness, even when we statistically controlled for other moderator variables. CONCLUSIONS: These findings extend the scope of beneficial effects of aerobic exercise beyond cardiovascular health, and they suggest a strong solid biological basis for the benefits of exercise on the brain health of older adults. PMID: 12586857 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"tom hennessy" wrote in message … > Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? > Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..? > <> > Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in 53.7% of > patients. > <> > J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003 Apr;74(4):443-6 > Cognitive impairment in probable multiple sclerosis. > Achiron A, Barak Y > Multiple Sclerosis Center, Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel. > Abarbanel Mental Health Center, Bat Yam, Israel. > [Medline record in process] > OBJECTIVES: To evaluate and characterise cognitive impairment in the very > early stage of multiple sclerosis (MS), in which patients are still > diagnosed as suffering from probable MS. METHODS: The Brief Repeatable > Battery-Neuropsychological (BRB-N) that has been validated for MS patients > was used. Abnormal performance was defined as one standard deviation below > the mean reported for healthy age matched subjects. Neurological disability > and brain magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) were performed for all patients. > Correlation coefficients were calculated between disease burden variables > and performance on the BRB-N. RESULTS: Sixty seven patients with probable MS > were evaluated within a mean of one month of the onset of new neurological > symptoms. Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in > 53.7% of patients. Verbal abilities and attention span were most frequently > affected. Impairment was not correlated with neurological disability or MRI > disease burden. CONCLUSION: Prevalent cognitive impairment already exists at > onset of MS. > PMID: 12640060, UI: 22527018 > ————————————————————————— – > —- > Who loves ya. > Tom

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"tom hennessy" wrote in message … > Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? > Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..? > <> > Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in 53.7% of > patients. > <> > J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003 Apr;74(4):443-6 > Cognitive impairment in probable multiple sclerosis.

So? People are NOT locked up until they die for cognitive impairment. This is the most insane idea you have come up with yet. In a civilized society, hardly anyone is "locked up" for life. You would have to be a murderer or mentally ill beyond all help, and even then, you may get out. Totally improbable. Sylvia

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -cmccub…@sympatico.ca (Chris Fincham) wrote in message … > Tom wrote: > "Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? > Does / could / would this mean .." > Ramifications – yes! Horror? Not at all! Tom, me clever darlin’ – > your little study inspired me to find this: > Dev Neurosci 2002;24(2-3):197-207 > Iron deficiency during embryogenesis and consequences for > oligodendrocyte generation in vivo. > Morath DJ, Mayer-Proschel M. > Huntsman Cancer Institute, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah, > USA. > One of the hallmarks of the pathology of iron deficiency in children > is neurological disabilities that are often associated with > hypomyelination. It has been hypothesized that this amyelination is > mainly due to a disruption of myelin generation during the early > postnatal stages when oligodendrocytes mature to generate myelin > producing cell. In addition to these suggestions, we have previously > provided in vitro data showing that iron affects both the > proliferation and differentiation of glial precursor cells leading to > a disruption in the generation of oligodendrocytes. > We now present evidence demonstrating in vivo that iron deficiency > during pregnancy affects the iron levels of various brain tissues in > the developing fetus and disrupts not only the proliferation of their > glial precursor cells but also disturbs the generation of > oligodendrocytes from these precursor cells. In addition, we show that > iron deficiency during embryogenesis affects glial lineage cells in a > tissue-specific manner. Our studies offer the possibility to begin to > comprehend whether any effects that occur during embryogenesis might > have an influence on the establishment of the pathological defects > that occur as a consequence of iron deficiency. Copyright 2002 S. > Karger AG, Basel > PMID: 12401959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > Wouldn’t it be super-duper-wunnerful if docs discover that one of the > causes of MS is iron deficiency during pregnancy!?!

I think that would be highly IRONIC!!!! LOL!!!!! Sylvia

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On 20 Mar 2003 19:41:42 -0800, Sylv772…@yahoo.com (Sylvia) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->cmccub…@sympatico.ca (Chris Fincham) wrote in message … >> Tom wrote: >> "Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? >> Does / could / would this mean .." >> Ramifications – yes! Horror? Not at all! Tom, me clever darlin’ – >> your little study inspired me to find this: >> Dev Neurosci 2002;24(2-3):197-207 >> Iron deficiency during embryogenesis and consequences for >> oligodendrocyte generation in vivo. >> Morath DJ, Mayer-Proschel M. >> Huntsman Cancer Institute, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah, >> USA. >> One of the hallmarks of the pathology of iron deficiency in children >> is neurological disabilities that are often associated with >> hypomyelination. It has been hypothesized that this amyelination is >> mainly due to a disruption of myelin generation during the early >> postnatal stages when oligodendrocytes mature to generate myelin >> producing cell. In addition to these suggestions, we have previously >> provided in vitro data showing that iron affects both the >> proliferation and differentiation of glial precursor cells leading to >> a disruption in the generation of oligodendrocytes. >> We now present evidence demonstrating in vivo that iron deficiency >> during pregnancy affects the iron levels of various brain tissues in >> the developing fetus and disrupts not only the proliferation of their >> glial precursor cells but also disturbs the generation of >> oligodendrocytes from these precursor cells. In addition, we show that >> iron deficiency during embryogenesis affects glial lineage cells in a >> tissue-specific manner. Our studies offer the possibility to begin to >> comprehend whether any effects that occur during embryogenesis might >> have an influence on the establishment of the pathological defects >> that occur as a consequence of iron deficiency. Copyright 2002 S. >> Karger AG, Basel >> PMID: 12401959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] >> Wouldn’t it be super-duper-wunnerful if docs discover that one of the >> causes of MS is iron deficiency during pregnancy!?! >I think that would be highly IRONIC!!!! LOL!!!!! >Sylvia

Great! just great! then I’d have to explain why all those refrigerator magnets kept sticking to my old bod. Donn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"tom hennessy" wrote in message … > Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? > Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..? > <> > Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in 53.7% of > patients. > <> > J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003 Apr;74(4):443-6 > Cognitive impairment in probable multiple sclerosis. > Achiron A, Barak Y > Multiple Sclerosis Center, Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel. > Abarbanel Mental Health Center, Bat Yam, Israel. > [Medline record in process] > OBJECTIVES: To evaluate and characterise cognitive impairment in the very > early stage of multiple sclerosis (MS), in which patients are still > diagnosed as suffering from probable MS. METHODS: The Brief Repeatable > Battery-Neuropsychological (BRB-N) that has been validated for MS patients > was used. Abnormal performance was defined as one standard deviation below > the mean reported for healthy age matched subjects. Neurological disability > and brain magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) were performed for all patients. > Correlation coefficients were calculated between disease burden variables > and performance on the BRB-N. RESULTS: Sixty seven patients with probable MS > were evaluated within a mean of one month of the onset of new neurological > symptoms. Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in > 53.7% of patients. Verbal abilities and attention span were most frequently > affected. Impairment was not correlated with neurological disability or MRI > disease burden. CONCLUSION: Prevalent cognitive impairment already exists at > onset of MS. > PMID: 12640060, UI: 22527018 > ————————————————————————— – > —- > Who loves ya. > Tom

I’ve got about 100 or so phone numbers (with area codes) in my memory and am playing some of the best chess of my life (and I’ve played chess since I was three years old).

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On 20 Mar 2003 03:48:05 -0800, cmccub…@sympatico.ca (Chris Fincham) wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >Jays, Tom! – this worried me so much that I stayed up half the night >searching frantically for something – anything – that might help my >cognitive deficits. >You can imagine my relief when I discovered that a little supplemental >iron might help…

Chris, I think Tommy may be taking on the wrong woman if he goes to bat with you. You GO, girl! — Joan Beware Tommy the Troll who is now asking for handouts on the internet.

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"Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? Does / could / would this mean .." Ramifications – yes! Horror? Not at all! Tom, me clever darlin’ – your little study inspired me to find this: Dev Neurosci 2002;24(2-3):197-207 Iron deficiency during embryogenesis and consequences for oligodendrocyte generation in vivo. Morath DJ, Mayer-Proschel M. Huntsman Cancer Institute, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, Utah, USA. One of the hallmarks of the pathology of iron deficiency in children is neurological disabilities that are often associated with hypomyelination. It has been hypothesized that this amyelination is mainly due to a disruption of myelin generation during the early postnatal stages when oligodendrocytes mature to generate myelin producing cell. In addition to these suggestions, we have previously provided in vitro data showing that iron affects both the proliferation and differentiation of glial precursor cells leading to a disruption in the generation of oligodendrocytes. We now present evidence demonstrating in vivo that iron deficiency during pregnancy affects the iron levels of various brain tissues in the developing fetus and disrupts not only the proliferation of their glial precursor cells but also disturbs the generation of oligodendrocytes from these precursor cells. In addition, we show that iron deficiency during embryogenesis affects glial lineage cells in a tissue-specific manner. Our studies offer the possibility to begin to comprehend whether any effects that occur during embryogenesis might have an influence on the establishment of the pathological defects that occur as a consequence of iron deficiency. Copyright 2002 S. Karger AG, Basel PMID: 12401959 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Wouldn’t it be super-duper-wunnerful if docs discover that one of the causes of MS is iron deficiency during pregnancy!?! Chris F :-)

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"Thanx for the article!" Well, when ‘ya think about it, it’s really Tom who deserves thanks – he inspired me to seek out the good news… "I have also heard that other stuff that isn’t expensive can help regain and keep cognitive function. Cross word puzzles, trivia games, solitaire games, and, one of my favs, learning new words. I’m subcribed to a service that sends me a word every day. Not that I remember them all! So all that time I spend on the computer playing solitaire isn’t being wasted; I’m working on my brain. " Those are all excellent brain exercise, Sylvia! I’m partial to jigsaw puzzles and last year I graduated to 3-D jigsaws (y’know, the ones invented by those clever Canadian lads) I’ve built the medieval castle and my Vatican is almost complete, save for a few sections of roof (a couple pieces of which I suspect have been stolen by Dave, Evil-Demon-Cat-From-Hell). "Use it or lose it; applies to both your body and your brain." Amen to that! Chris F :-)

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Hey, Chris! > Oh, Tooo-oooom…! > Lookey here! This one’s gonna’ put a big fat ole’ smile on your cute > l’il face when you digest the great news! > Seems as tho’ we can *regain* lost cognitive function – and the remedy > is cheap, fun (once you get into the habit) and something we can do > almost anywhere without special equipment…*exercise*!!!! > Aw, Tom…is that a big ole’ happy tear I see runnin’ down your jolly > red cheek? Golly gee, you’re such a soft-hearted l’il guy! > Well, don’t take my word for it, darlin’ – read it and feel free to > continue weeping:

Thanx for the article! I have also heard that other stuff that isn’t expensive can help regain and keep cognitive function. Cross word puzzles, trivia games, solitaire games, and, one of my favs, learning new words. I’m subcribed to a service that sends me a word every day. Not that I remember them all! So all that time I spend on the computer playing solitaire isn’t being wasted; I’m working on my brain. Use it or lose it; applies to both your body and your brain. Sylvia

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"tom hennessy" wrote in message

news:3Haea.34087$UV6.2528026@news1.telusplanet.net… > Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? > Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..?

Cognitive impairment doesn’t mean you need to be locked up. It means you need to make some adjustments.

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Joan, I think Tommy is really running for President of Jerk Nation. Dora – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joan Carter wrote: > On 20 Mar 2003 03:48:05 -0800, cmccub…@sympatico.ca (Chris Fincham) wrote in > alt.support.mult-sclerosis: > >Jays, Tom! – this worried me so much that I stayed up half the night > >searching frantically for something – anything – that might help my > >cognitive deficits. > >You can imagine my relief when I discovered that a little supplemental > >iron might help… > Chris, I think Tommy may be taking on the wrong woman if he goes to bat with > you. You GO, girl! > — > Joan > Beware Tommy the Troll who is now asking for handouts on the internet.

– http://urdangerous.tripod.com When opportunity knocks…don’t miss the dance.

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I’m so cognitively impaired that I think you’re a reactive oxygen species who should be locked up. Take care, Paul All About MS – the latest MS News and Views http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -tom hennessy wrote: > Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? > Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..? > <> > Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in 53.7% of > patients. > <> > J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003 Apr;74(4):443-6 > Cognitive impairment in probable multiple sclerosis. > Achiron A, Barak Y > Multiple Sclerosis Center, Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel. > Abarbanel Mental Health Center, Bat Yam, Israel. > [Medline record in process] > OBJECTIVES: To evaluate and characterise cognitive impairment in the very > early stage of multiple sclerosis (MS), in which patients are still > diagnosed as suffering from probable MS. METHODS: The Brief Repeatable > Battery-Neuropsychological (BRB-N) that has been validated for MS patients > was used. Abnormal performance was defined as one standard deviation below > the mean reported for healthy age matched subjects. Neurological disability > and brain magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) were performed for all patients. > Correlation coefficients were calculated between disease burden variables > and performance on the BRB-N. RESULTS: Sixty seven patients with probable MS > were evaluated within a mean of one month of the onset of new neurological > symptoms. Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in > 53.7% of patients. Verbal abilities and attention span were most frequently > affected. Impairment was not correlated with neurological disability or MRI > disease burden. CONCLUSION: Prevalent cognitive impairment already exists at > onset of MS. > PMID: 12640060, UI: 22527018 > ————————————————————————— – > —- > Who loves ya. > Tom > — > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com > Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..? <> Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in 53.7% of patients. <> J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003 Apr;74(4):443-6 Cognitive impairment in probable multiple sclerosis. Achiron A, Barak Y Multiple Sclerosis Center, Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel. Abarbanel Mental Health Center, Bat Yam, Israel. [Medline record in process] OBJECTIVES: To evaluate and characterise cognitive impairment in the very early stage of multiple sclerosis (MS), in which patients are still diagnosed as suffering from probable MS. METHODS: The Brief Repeatable Battery-Neuropsychological (BRB-N) that has been validated for MS patients was used. Abnormal performance was defined as one standard deviation below the mean reported for healthy age matched subjects. Neurological disability and brain magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) were performed for all patients. Correlation coefficients were calculated between disease burden variables and performance on the BRB-N. RESULTS: Sixty seven patients with probable MS were evaluated within a mean of one month of the onset of new neurological symptoms. Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in 53.7% of patients. Verbal abilities and attention span were most frequently affected. Impairment was not correlated with neurological disability or MRI disease burden. CONCLUSION: Prevalent cognitive impairment already exists at onset of MS. PMID: 12640060, UI: 22527018 ————————————————————————— – —- Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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You’re over-reacting pretty dramatically, Tom. Lots of people have cognitive deficits that show up only on careful examination… and they generally are no more than a minor nuisance where they’re noticable to the "sufferer" at all. I have a diagnosed "severe" short-term memory deficit of a certain limited sort. It’s frustrating as hell fairly often, but I live with it just fine, and for the most part, there are simple and effective ways to avoid having it ruin my life. It’s nothing to warrant "lockup", not even temporarily while I’ve sorted out how to live with it, let alone "until I die". Do you actually know anything at *all* about the things you parrot, Tom? — Michael - TomTurd Seeks Link of Alzheimers with Tinned Vegetables! http://new-www.adrc.wustl.edu/mailinglists/alzheimer/199512/msg00216…. "tom hennessy" wrote in message

news:3Haea.34087$UV6.2528026@news1.telusplanet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? > Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..? > <> > Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in 53.7% of > patients. > <> > J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 2003 Apr;74(4):443-6 > Cognitive impairment in probable multiple sclerosis. > Achiron A, Barak Y > Multiple Sclerosis Center, Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel. > Abarbanel Mental Health Center, Bat Yam, Israel. > [Medline record in process] > OBJECTIVES: To evaluate and characterise cognitive impairment in the very > early stage of multiple sclerosis (MS), in which patients are still > diagnosed as suffering from probable MS. METHODS: The Brief Repeatable > Battery-Neuropsychological (BRB-N) that has been validated for MS patients > was used. Abnormal performance was defined as one standard deviation below > the mean reported for healthy age matched subjects. Neurological disability > and brain magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) were performed for all patients. > Correlation coefficients were calculated between disease burden variables > and performance on the BRB-N. RESULTS: Sixty seven patients with probable MS > were evaluated within a mean of one month of the onset of new neurological > symptoms. Evidence for the presence of cognitive impairment was shown in > 53.7% of patients. Verbal abilities and attention span were most frequently > affected. Impairment was not correlated with neurological disability or MRI > disease burden. CONCLUSION: Prevalent cognitive impairment already exists at > onset of MS. > PMID: 12640060, UI: 22527018 > ————————————————————————– — > —- > Who loves ya. > Tom > — > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com > Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING

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"Chris Fincham" wrote in message

news:dd7bfcc3.0303200348.43782a87@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tom wrote: > "Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? > Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..?" > Jays, Tom! – this worried me so much that I stayed up half the night > searching frantically for something – anything – that might help my > cognitive deficits. > You can imagine my relief when I discovered that a little supplemental > iron might help… > Sleep Med Rev 2001 Aug;5(4):277-286 > Iron, brain and restless legs syndrome. > "Iron deficiency in the central nervous system is known to cause motor > impairment and cognitive deficits; more recently, it has been > suggested that it may play a role in the pathophysiology of the > restless leg syndrome."

So what are you saying .. ? Since there is a VERY HIGH percent of people with restless leg .. and the incidence of anemia is far LESS than the number of people WITH restless leg . DUE TO the ‘Framington Heart Study ‘ which found the odds of BEING anemic against the odds of being .. iron replete .. ANEMIA falling far SHORT of those with iron excess .. then simple mathematics will tell you .. something .. ain’t .. right .. in .. Denmark. Iron destroys tocopherol .. which makes one anemic. Same anemia the astronauts .. get .. an iron loading anemia. NOT ‘iron deficient anemia’ but an anemia in which the body cannot / will not use the iron ‘on board’ and when one takes the simple blood tests .. one ‘appears’ TO BE .. anemic and they give you iron which kills you. Who loves ya. Tom — Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

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Tom wrote:

"Anyone see the ramifications / horror of THIS little study ? Does / could / would this mean .. lockup .. until .. you .. die ..?" Jays, Tom! – this worried me so much that I stayed up half the night searching frantically for something – anything – that might help my cognitive deficits. You can imagine my relief when I discovered that a little supplemental iron might help… Sleep Med Rev 2001 Aug;5(4):277-286 Iron, brain and restless legs syndrome. "Iron deficiency in the central nervous system is known to cause motor impairment and cognitive deficits; more recently, it has been suggested that it may play a role in the pathophysiology of the restless leg syndrome." Chris F :-)

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:Chris Isaak – Wicked Games (always need a cold shower after that one. :sorry…inappropriate) I`m cracking up because this is sooo true!! I love this song, think it`s one of the most sensual songs ever made, I really mean it.

Ooooh… I just *know* I’m going to hell!

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Later Teri, I’m off to pick up some lunch…. KF…

Me too. Stewed prunes and Geritol here I come.

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anyone else goes through this. Since starting meds, has anyone else had a problem with spastic legs? I know this sounds weird but for the first half hour or so they’ll just jerk every couple of minutes.

Restless legs syndrome is an irresistable urge to move one’s legs after lying down to rest or go to sleep. I had this after starting Zoloft and it went away after a temporary dose reduction. Benzos also reduce this movement disorder. Chip

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WTH? LOL The previous post has nothing new on it because I hit send before typing. Sheesh, just ignore it. Nah, was just teasing. I don’t consider anyone in their 30’s my

elders….

Bye Kevin. ;-)

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Is there something wrong with your computer? There’s no reply in here at all… KF…

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Too late lol

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:Chris Isaak – Wicked Games (always need a cold shower after that one. :sorry…inappropriate) I`m cracking up because this is sooo true!!

Oh yes indeed… I love this song, think it`s one of the most sensual songs ever made, I really mean it.

A cold shower works much better. I’ve found that a fan just doesn’t cut it.

I’ll have to try it sometime.

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id you know that Mick Jagger has sang the old country classic Long :Black Veil with The Chieftains? That is a great song! I really like "The Chieftans" too. My favorite CD is "The Long Black Veil". Just love "The Foggy Dew" and "He Moved Through The Fair" by Sinead O`Connor. "Tennessee Waltz" by Tom Jones is also real good, love his voice, he is hot Another Celtic band I enjoy is "Clannad". Jackie ~*~Hold onto hope no matter how hard the winds of disillusionment blow~*~

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Ooooh, ooouch.

Nah, was just teasing. I don’t consider anyone in their 30’s my elders…. LOL No we didn’t. I didn’t do a whole lot of chatting or anything else while on it. And…thank you.

Your very welcome… Yeah I was out earlier too to do banking and such. Thankfully the drive-up window opens at 7:00.

That’s why I do all my banking through ATM’s. Open 24 hours, and no humans to screw up my transaction… Unfortunately not much else is and when you’re an early bird who wants to get things done it’s frustrating. About the only things open are Dunkin Donuts and WalMart. lol

Wal-Mart!! Went there this past Saturday, seen the crowd, and got the hell out of there…;) Bought dog food at a feed store instead. Anway, it *was* nasty out there this morning. Still is actually

Yep. Here, it’s sunny but only a high of 25 degrees… I have to go to the DMV today

Have fun

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I’m listening to the Chieftains loud at this very moment.

Nice. – A.

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Hmmm, isn’t this how Elvis got his start?;-) LOL! I think so. Now if I can only find a way to cash in on it too… And don’t forget Tina Turner. Now there’s a woman who can twitch.

I’ll say. Unfortunately my nighttime twitching bears a stronger resemblance to Joe Cocker. Hmm, since you brought up music, maybe it has something to do with my rediscovery of music lately. This is kind of veering off the subject

I know the feeling! Trying desperately to get the hideous idea of buying a foot spa out of my head although I think it’s too late. I really want vibrating tootsies!

I say go for it. Do you ever go into Brookstone? I have a feeling you’d love that store. So many nifty gadgets. You could get a super-duper foot spa there! I’ll just use it very late at night and hide it during the day so no one’s the wiser.

Too late. We all know now.

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I must say you held your own quite nicely though. ;-) Thank you….I was always taught to amuse my elders

Ooooh, ooouch.

LOL No we didn’t. I didn’t do a whole lot of chatting or anything else while on it. And…thank you. Yes, you’ll have to stop sleeping 7-8 hours once a week because it messes up the *rest* of the week for you. You need a steady 6 throughout the week instead. ;) You know damn well since stopping the Paxil I can’t pull off a steady 6 every night

I won’t touch that because I promised to be good and because I also feel old right now.

Yeah I was out earlier too to do banking and such. Thankfully the drive-up window opens at 7:00. Unfortunately not much else is and when you’re an early bird who wants to get things done it’s frustrating. About the only things open are Dunkin Donuts and WalMart. lol There’s only so much you can do there! Anway, it *was* nasty out there this morning. Still is actually, and I forgot I have to go to the DMV today and we’re out of milk so back out I go in a little while! Teri

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That sounds like a name for a rock group. ;-) Anyway, I know I’ve talked about this before but I don’t really remember if anyone else goes through this. Since starting meds, has anyone else had a problem with spastic legs? I know this sounds weird but for the first half hour or so they’ll just jerk every couple of minutes. I did talk to my doctor who told me that he’s seen it before and thought it was fairly common. Hmmm, isn’t this how Elvis got his start?;-)

LOL! I think so. Now if I can only find a way to cash in on it too… Hmm, since you brought up music, maybe it has something to do with my rediscovery of music lately. This is kind of veering off the subject

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I guess I need to put in a hidden camera to see if I’m doing it in my sleep. I don’t think so though. Yep, if it gets really bad I’ll have to do something about it. Right now it’s just unusual, that’s all. Thanks, Teri — Remove "spamaway" to respond by email.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It sounds like it could be your boy then. If you are kicking all night, it can not be good for your sleep, or anyone else in kicking distance for that matter. There are treatments for this, so if you continue to get bothered talk to your pdoc about this. Good Luck! d Just when resting I guess. If it does it while I’m sleeping I don’t know about it at least. It’s usually as I’m really beginning to relax and I’m still awake. Sometimes just as I’m dropping off. Is it only when you are resting or sleeping? There is a condition called restless leg syndrome that sounds like this. I can not say if it is a SE, but I had a pdoc who had it. He took a very small dose of Klonopin everynight which appearantly helps. d That sounds like a name for a rock group. ;-) Anyway, I know I’ve talked about this before but I don’t really remember if anyone else goes through this. Since starting meds, has anyone else had a problem with spastic legs? I know this sounds weird but for the first half hour or so they’ll just jerk every couple of minutes. I did talk to my doctor who told me that he’s seen it before and thought it was fairly common. I’m wondering just how common it really is though. It’s not enough to make me stop taking the meds or anything, it’s just bizarre. I’ve never heard any of you folks mention this so I was just curious: does anyone else suffer from this?

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Hi Hon, Phew! I wasn’t sure if you were still speaking to me after the teasing yesterday.

LOL….I always enjoy a sick, vulgar, disgusting joke…. I must say you held your own quite nicely though. ;-)

Thank you….I was always taught to amuse my elders It makes sense what you said about the body releasing tension. This didn’t start until the Wellbutrin which does rev me up-although I think I’m closer to the truer ‘me’ on this than I was on Effexor.

Oh good, I do enjoy the "true you". We didn’t chat much while you were on Effexor, did we?…. On Effexor I was just a rag doll-no tension to release while relaxing because I was just so blaaah all the time. On Wellbutrin I’m more Energizer bunny than ragdoll so there’s more to release I guess. Oh well, no use over-analyzing I guess. It is what it is.

Exactly..If it’s not bothering you much, then whatever…..It never bothered me in the past… Yes, you’ll have to stop sleeping 7-8 hours once a week because it messes up the *rest* of the week for you. You need a steady 6 throughout the week instead. ;)

You know damn well since stopping the Paxil I can’t pull off a steady 6 every night Have you been outside yet today? Brrrrr. There’s a brisk and icy wind out there. I’m betting the windchill is around 5 degrees. Bundle up!

Yep, from 3:00 – 7:30 this morning. 3-4" of snow, ice, plows barreling down after me, knocking down a few mailboxes, getting stuck, oh geez…I don’t know…12 times. You know, the norm No seriously, I forgot to put gas in the car yesterday, so had to do it this morning, and didn’t bundle up. The wind chills almost knocked me over. Uggh! 3 minute fill up my ass! But overall it wasn’t bad

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Hi Hon, Phew! I wasn’t sure if you were still speaking to me after the teasing yesterday. I must say you held your own quite nicely though. ;-) It makes sense what you said about the body releasing tension. This didn’t start until the Wellbutrin which does rev me up-although I think I’m closer to the truer ‘me’ on this than I was on Effexor. On Effexor I was just a rag doll-no tension to release while relaxing because I was just so blaaah all the time. On Wellbutrin I’m more Energizer bunny than ragdoll so there’s more to release I guess. Oh well, no use over-analyzing I guess. It is what it is. Yes, you’ll have to stop sleeping 7-8 hours once a week because it messes up the *rest* of the week for you. You need a steady 6 throughout the week instead. ;) Have you been outside yet today? Brrrrr. There’s a brisk and icy wind out there. I’m betting the windchill is around 5 degrees. Bundle up! Teri — Remove "spamaway" to respond by email.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Dear, When my PA’s first started a few months ago, my arms and legs would twitch & jerk before falling asleep. Now, from what I read, my experienced, etc. This was my body releasing tension. It would also happen a little if I was relaxing, well relaxing is a mighty strong word, but you know what I mean. It still happens once in a while, but rarely… Well Teri, as for my insomnia. Let’s see, 5 hours Sunday night, and 4 1/2 last night…I have to stop sleeping 7-8 hours at a time, do you see what happens Later, KF… That sounds like a name for a rock group. ;-) Anyway, I know I’ve talked about this before but I don’t really remember if anyone else goes through this. Since starting meds, has anyone else had a problem with spastic legs? I know this sounds weird but for the first half hour or so they’ll just jerk every couple of minutes. I did talk to my doctor who told me that he’s seen it before and thought it was fairly common. I’m wondering just how common it really is though. It’s not enough to make me stop taking the meds or anything, it’s just bizarre. I’ve never heard any of you folks mention this so I was just curious: does anyone else suffer from this?

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Hello Dear, When my PA’s first started a few months ago, my arms and legs would twitch & jerk before falling asleep. Now, from what I read, my experienced, etc. This was my body releasing tension. It would also happen a little if I was relaxing, well relaxing is a mighty strong word, but you know what I mean. It still happens once in a while, but rarely… Well Teri, as for my insomnia. Let’s see, 5 hours Sunday night, and 4 1/2 last night…I have to stop sleeping 7-8 hours at a time, do you see what happens Later, KF…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That sounds like a name for a rock group. ;-) Anyway, I know I’ve talked about this before but I don’t really remember if anyone else goes through this. Since starting meds, has anyone else had a problem with spastic legs? I know this sounds weird but for the first half hour or so they’ll just jerk every couple of minutes. I did talk to my doctor who told me that he’s seen it before and thought it was fairly common. I’m wondering just how common it really is though. It’s not enough to make me stop taking the meds or anything, it’s just bizarre. I’ve never heard any of you folks mention this so I was just curious: does anyone else suffer from this?

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Hi David, Sorry I didn’t see this until morning. I couldn’t pull up any posts, except one, last night…even when running both Outlook and Agent. Oh well. You’re right, it’s probably not worth worrying about. I was just kind of curious if anyone here had that problem, but it doesn’t appear that they do. I might bring it up again with the doc when I see him next week, but then again I don’t really want to rock the boat over something like this. We’ll see I guess. :) Thanks, Teri

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Is it only when you are resting or sleeping? There is a condition called restless leg syndrome that sounds like this. I can not say if it is a SE, but I had a pdoc who had it. He took a very small dose of Klonopin everynight which appearantly helps. d

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Just when resting I guess. If it does it while I’m sleeping I don’t know about it at least. It’s usually as I’m really beginning to relax and I’m still awake. Sometimes just as I’m dropping off. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Is it only when you are resting or sleeping? There is a condition called restless leg syndrome that sounds like this. I can not say if it is a SE, but I had a pdoc who had it. He took a very small dose of Klonopin everynight which appearantly helps. d That sounds like a name for a rock group. ;-) Anyway, I know I’ve talked about this before but I don’t really remember if anyone else goes through this. Since starting meds, has anyone else had a problem with spastic legs? I know this sounds weird but for the first half hour or so they’ll just jerk every couple of minutes. I did talk to my doctor who told me that he’s seen it before and thought it was fairly common. I’m wondering just how common it really is though. It’s not enough to make me stop taking the meds or anything, it’s just bizarre. I’ve never heard any of you folks mention this so I was just curious: does anyone else suffer from this?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That sounds like a name for a rock group. ;-) Anyway, I know I’ve talked about this before but I don’t really remember if anyone else goes through this. Since starting meds, has anyone else had a problem with spastic legs? I know this sounds weird but for the first half hour or so they’ll just jerk every couple of minutes. I did talk to my doctor who told me that he’s seen it before and thought it was fairly common. I’m wondering just how common it really is though. It’s not enough to make me stop taking the meds or anything, it’s just bizarre. I’ve never heard any of you folks mention this so I was just curious: does anyone else suffer from this?

I seem to recall reading a reference somewhere lately to some AD’s bringing on Restless Legs Syndrome. Unless it’s bothering you it’s probably not worth worrying about. The only problem is that if it’s occuring during sleep it could be interfering with you getting a good nights rest. If that’s the case, it’s something you could bring up with your doctor. — David Chamberlain http://dchamberlain1.tripod.com/ — Build a man a fire and he’ll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he’ll be warm for the rest of his life – Terry Pratchett

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It sounds like it could be your boy then. If you are kicking all night, it can not be good for your sleep, or anyone else in kicking distance for that matter. There are treatments for this, so if you continue to get bothered talk to your pdoc about this. Good Luck! d

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just when resting I guess. If it does it while I’m sleeping I don’t know about it at least. It’s usually as I’m really beginning to relax and I’m still awake. Sometimes just as I’m dropping off. Is it only when you are resting or sleeping? There is a condition called restless leg syndrome that sounds like this. I can not say if it is a SE, but I had a pdoc who had it. He took a very small dose of Klonopin everynight which appearantly helps. d That sounds like a name for a rock group. ;-) Anyway, I know I’ve talked about this before but I don’t really remember if anyone else goes through this. Since starting meds, has anyone else had a problem with spastic legs? I know this sounds weird but for the first half hour or so they’ll just jerk every couple of minutes. I did talk to my doctor who told me that he’s seen it before and thought it was fairly common. I’m wondering just how common it really is though. It’s not enough to make me stop taking the meds or anything, it’s just bizarre. I’ve never heard any of you folks mention this so I was just curious: does anyone else suffer from this?