Clarification concerning "depression"
Question:
Paul, Personally I am against taking anti-d’s but if you find yourself in treatment and going down a slope you had not intended to follow, the newer anti-d’s are not addicting. They may have other problems associated with them, but physical addiction is not one of them. The fear of dying in treatment like your friend must weigh heavily on your mind because it is an unknown to you. As you can see by reading this Ng with so many in treatment, that not everyone dies in treatment. Not everyone beats the virus, but not everyone fails either. Take it slow and easy, Lynne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Paul wrote: > I feel that I would like to post to clear something up. > In the past few days I have been on an emotional roller coaster. Some > people on the NG have expressed concerns about the possibility of me > having depression, about whether I can cope with my forthcoming tx, > and whether I am currently OK to start it. > I am very grateful for the feedback I have received and that people > have expressed their concerns – even to the person who I insulted > after he made a comment about lightbulbs and hanging (sorry about the > insult BTW). > As a general response, I would like to clarify a few items – some of > which I have previously stated and some that I haven’t. > Less than a year ago, a very good buddy of mine died while on tx. It > devastated me. I held his hand while they switched off his life > support. I went through a week of finding it difficult to remove the > visual image of him in the hospital bed from my mind’s eye. It kept > returning and I had a few dreams too. These dreams felt pleasant for > the most part. Nothing spooky or fearful. Quite liberating really > even though sometimes tearful. There is nothing depressive about > crying through grief. It is a natural process. In fact, I would say > that the person who doesn’t acknowledge such pain is more susceptible > to depression. However, after a few weeks, I had a second big shock > when, out of the blue, I was dx’d with hep-c. I didn’t know much > about it then and I was naturally very fearful. Just before my dx, a > second friend died. He also had hep-c. He was not on tx. He was > drinking alcoholically and the toxins went to his brain. For me to > experience these three events in the space of four weeks and expect no > emotional reaction would be totally unrealistic. It’s fair to say > that I was in bits. Although I had some occasional motivational > problems around my work, I slept OK, ate OK, and did the basics to get > me by. > The two deaths were in June and my dx was early July. It took till > around November/December to start feeling more at peace with what had > been going on. > In October, I realised that I needed to start unloading the baggage > and started having sessions with a psychotherapist. I’m not referring > to the stereotypical "lay on the couch, how long have you believed > that you are a cushion?" type therapy. It’s just me and a counsellor > discussing feelings, life events etc. Sometimes my deep wounds become > exposed. Sometimes the sessions are humorous. > Those that have been in therapy will understand when I say it does > stir up things that have lain dormant a long time. Therapy often > stirs up a hornets nest but, for me, it needs to be that way in order > to heal IMO. Those that have had such therapy will recognise that my > recent feelings are a perfectly normal result of opening up to a > professional counsellor. The ability to experience a wider range of > emotions. To someone who hasn’t done such therapy, it could well > appear that I have flipped my lid, am a candidate for depression, > suicide, boils on the bum, genital warts, and every other scourge > known to mankind. It is normal for therapy combined with major life > events to trigger dreams – even the unsettling ones. This is all part > of the healing. > Both the therapist and myself have discussed the possibility of > suspending the counselling during the tx. I do wish to continue with > it for the moment but we both know that the option exists to > temporarily stop. > The fact that I have had a dream linking tx with death is perfectly Ok > IMO. After all, I am about to start tx and I’ve seen someone die on > tx. Often with dreams, 2+2=5. > Therapy does trigger heightened sensitivity at times. Hearing that > word "non-responder" re a failed hep-b vaccination was a trigger for > temporary negative feelings. I’m fine today. > I am well warned about the possibility of tx causing depression. Due > to past addiction problems, I wish to avoid taking anti-d’s – unless > it’s the only way to remain on tx. I do have excellent back-up here. > I have many friends who understand me. Many of them have longterm > recoveries from addictions, some of those have been thru hep-c/tx – > with almost a 100% success rate too. I have a counsellor who is > prepared to stop/start therapy at short notice. As I live on my own, > I have friends who will be happy for me to share their homes for a > week or two at a time if things get too much around here. Even 95% of > my customers are OK about interruptions in service over the next few > months (I mailshotted them all). I didn’t say anything about hep-c but > did allude to liver problems. I could lose a third of my customers > before it started hurting and I could build the work up again after tx > if needed. > I have worked hard to prepare the ground for a succesful tx concerning > all the things that are within my control. Of course, some things are > out of my hands. It’s impossible to say ahead of time whether I could > be pulled off tx for low blood platelets or any other reason. The > signs are good as all my pre-tx LFTs were OK (platelets at 249 too). > I realise such things can change quite quickly but I feel that I am > giving myself the best chance possible for a succesful outcome. > I wonder, would a depressive get it together to write such a long > post? Would a depressive be sufficiently motivated to be so thorough > in prepating the ground? Would a depressive be able to insert a bit of > humour in his posts? I don’t know but the signs are good IMO. > If you got this far thanks for reading. > If you are a troll and wish to antagonize – May the fleas of a > thousand camels infest your arsehole. 
> — > Paul > Use the reply by email facility in your > newsreader to send email
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HoofPrints wrote: > Paul, Personally I am against taking anti-d’s but if you find yourself > in treatment and going down a slope you had not intended to follow, the > newer anti-d’s are not addicting. They may have other problems > associated with them, but physical addiction is not one of them. > The fear of dying in treatment like your friend must weigh heavily on > your mind because it is an unknown to you. As you can see by reading > this Ng with so many in treatment, that not everyone dies in treatment. > Not everyone beats the virus, but not everyone fails either. > Take it slow and easy, > Lynne
PS: And if one of your fears is that you will become re-addicted to the needle, I am sure some of the ex-needle freaks will assure you, that that is not going to happen either. Lynne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Paul wrote: > > I feel that I would like to post to clear something up. > > In the past few days I have been on an emotional roller coaster. Some > > people on the NG have expressed concerns about the possibility of me > > having depression, about whether I can cope with my forthcoming tx, > > and whether I am currently OK to start it. > > I am very grateful for the feedback I have received and that people > > have expressed their concerns – even to the person who I insulted > > after he made a comment about lightbulbs and hanging (sorry about the > > insult BTW). > > As a general response, I would like to clarify a few items – some of > > which I have previously stated and some that I haven’t. > > Less than a year ago, a very good buddy of mine died while on tx. It > > devastated me. I held his hand while they switched off his life > > support. I went through a week of finding it difficult to remove the > > visual image of him in the hospital bed from my mind’s eye. It kept > > returning and I had a few dreams too. These dreams felt pleasant for > > the most part. Nothing spooky or fearful. Quite liberating really > > even though sometimes tearful. There is nothing depressive about > > crying through grief. It is a natural process. In fact, I would say > > that the person who doesn’t acknowledge such pain is more susceptible > > to depression. However, after a few weeks, I had a second big shock > > when, out of the blue, I was dx’d with hep-c. I didn’t know much > > about it then and I was naturally very fearful. Just before my dx, a > > second friend died. He also had hep-c. He was not on tx. He was > > drinking alcoholically and the toxins went to his brain. For me to > > experience these three events in the space of four weeks and expect no > > emotional reaction would be totally unrealistic. It’s fair to say > > that I was in bits. Although I had some occasional motivational > > problems around my work, I slept OK, ate OK, and did the basics to get > > me by. > > The two deaths were in June and my dx was early July. It took till > > around November/December to start feeling more at peace with what had > > been going on. > > In October, I realised that I needed to start unloading the baggage > > and started having sessions with a psychotherapist. I’m not referring > > to the stereotypical "lay on the couch, how long have you believed > > that you are a cushion?" type therapy. It’s just me and a counsellor > > discussing feelings, life events etc. Sometimes my deep wounds become > > exposed. Sometimes the sessions are humorous. > > Those that have been in therapy will understand when I say it does > > stir up things that have lain dormant a long time. Therapy often > > stirs up a hornets nest but, for me, it needs to be that way in order > > to heal IMO. Those that have had such therapy will recognise that my > > recent feelings are a perfectly normal result of opening up to a > > professional counsellor. The ability to experience a wider range of > > emotions. To someone who hasn’t done such therapy, it could well > > appear that I have flipped my lid, am a candidate for depression, > > suicide, boils on the bum, genital warts, and every other scourge > > known to mankind. It is normal for therapy combined with major life > > events to trigger dreams – even the unsettling ones. This is all part > > of the healing. > > Both the therapist and myself have discussed the possibility of > > suspending the counselling during the tx. I do wish to continue with > > it for the moment but we both know that the option exists to > > temporarily stop. > > The fact that I have had a dream linking tx with death is perfectly Ok > > IMO. After all, I am about to start tx and I’ve seen someone die on > > tx. Often with dreams, 2+2=5. > > Therapy does trigger heightened sensitivity at times. Hearing that > > word "non-responder" re a failed hep-b vaccination was a trigger for > > temporary negative feelings. I’m fine today. > > I am well warned about the possibility of tx causing depression. Due > > to past addiction problems, I wish to avoid taking anti-d’s – unless > > it’s the only way to remain on tx. I do have excellent back-up here. > > I have many friends who understand me. Many of them have longterm > > recoveries from addictions, some of those have been thru hep-c/tx – > > with almost a 100% success rate too. I have a counsellor who is > > prepared to stop/start therapy at short notice. As I live on my own, > > I have friends who will be happy for me to share their homes for a > > week or two at a time if things get too much around here. Even 95% of > > my customers are OK about interruptions in service over the next few > > months (I mailshotted them all). I didn’t say anything about hep-c but > > did allude to liver problems. I could lose a third of my customers > > before it started hurting and I could build the work up again after tx > > if needed. > > I have worked hard to prepare the ground for a succesful tx concerning > > all the things that are within my control. Of course, some things are > > out of my hands. It’s impossible to say ahead of time whether I could > > be pulled off tx for low blood platelets or any other reason. The > > signs are good as all my pre-tx LFTs were OK (platelets at 249 too). > > I realise such things can change quite quickly but I feel that I am > > giving myself the best chance possible for a succesful outcome. > > I wonder, would a depressive get it together to write such a long > > post? Would a depressive be sufficiently motivated to be so thorough > > in prepating the ground? Would a depressive be able to insert a bit of > > humour in his posts? I don’t know but the signs are good IMO. > > If you got this far thanks for reading. > > If you are a troll and wish to antagonize – May the fleas of a > > thousand camels infest your arsehole. > > — > > Paul > > Use the reply by email facility in your > > newsreader to send email
Response:
I feel that I would like to post to clear something up. In the past few days I have been on an emotional roller coaster. Some people on the NG have expressed concerns about the possibility of me having depression, about whether I can cope with my forthcoming tx, and whether I am currently OK to start it. I am very grateful for the feedback I have received and that people have expressed their concerns – even to the person who I insulted after he made a comment about lightbulbs and hanging (sorry about the insult BTW). As a general response, I would like to clarify a few items – some of which I have previously stated and some that I haven’t. Less than a year ago, a very good buddy of mine died while on tx. It devastated me. I held his hand while they switched off his life support. I went through a week of finding it difficult to remove the visual image of him in the hospital bed from my mind’s eye. It kept returning and I had a few dreams too. These dreams felt pleasant for the most part. Nothing spooky or fearful. Quite liberating really even though sometimes tearful. There is nothing depressive about crying through grief. It is a natural process. In fact, I would say that the person who doesn’t acknowledge such pain is more susceptible to depression. However, after a few weeks, I had a second big shock when, out of the blue, I was dx’d with hep-c. I didn’t know much about it then and I was naturally very fearful. Just before my dx, a second friend died. He also had hep-c. He was not on tx. He was drinking alcoholically and the toxins went to his brain. For me to experience these three events in the space of four weeks and expect no emotional reaction would be totally unrealistic. It’s fair to say that I was in bits. Although I had some occasional motivational problems around my work, I slept OK, ate OK, and did the basics to get me by. The two deaths were in June and my dx was early July. It took till around November/December to start feeling more at peace with what had been going on. In October, I realised that I needed to start unloading the baggage and started having sessions with a psychotherapist. I’m not referring to the stereotypical "lay on the couch, how long have you believed that you are a cushion?" type therapy. It’s just me and a counsellor discussing feelings, life events etc. Sometimes my deep wounds become exposed. Sometimes the sessions are humorous. Those that have been in therapy will understand when I say it does stir up things that have lain dormant a long time. Therapy often stirs up a hornets nest but, for me, it needs to be that way in order to heal IMO. Those that have had such therapy will recognise that my recent feelings are a perfectly normal result of opening up to a professional counsellor. The ability to experience a wider range of emotions. To someone who hasn’t done such therapy, it could well appear that I have flipped my lid, am a candidate for depression, suicide, boils on the bum, genital warts, and every other scourge known to mankind. It is normal for therapy combined with major life events to trigger dreams – even the unsettling ones. This is all part of the healing. Both the therapist and myself have discussed the possibility of suspending the counselling during the tx. I do wish to continue with it for the moment but we both know that the option exists to temporarily stop. The fact that I have had a dream linking tx with death is perfectly Ok IMO. After all, I am about to start tx and I’ve seen someone die on tx. Often with dreams, 2+2=5. Therapy does trigger heightened sensitivity at times. Hearing that word "non-responder" re a failed hep-b vaccination was a trigger for temporary negative feelings. I’m fine today. I am well warned about the possibility of tx causing depression. Due to past addiction problems, I wish to avoid taking anti-d’s – unless it’s the only way to remain on tx. I do have excellent back-up here. I have many friends who understand me. Many of them have longterm recoveries from addictions, some of those have been thru hep-c/tx – with almost a 100% success rate too. I have a counsellor who is prepared to stop/start therapy at short notice. As I live on my own, I have friends who will be happy for me to share their homes for a week or two at a time if things get too much around here. Even 95% of my customers are OK about interruptions in service over the next few months (I mailshotted them all). I didn’t say anything about hep-c but did allude to liver problems. I could lose a third of my customers before it started hurting and I could build the work up again after tx if needed. I have worked hard to prepare the ground for a succesful tx concerning all the things that are within my control. Of course, some things are out of my hands. It’s impossible to say ahead of time whether I could be pulled off tx for low blood platelets or any other reason. The signs are good as all my pre-tx LFTs were OK (platelets at 249 too). I realise such things can change quite quickly but I feel that I am giving myself the best chance possible for a succesful outcome. I wonder, would a depressive get it together to write such a long post? Would a depressive be sufficiently motivated to be so thorough in prepating the ground? Would a depressive be able to insert a bit of humour in his posts? I don’t know but the signs are good IMO. If you got this far thanks for reading. If you are a troll and wish to antagonize – May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your arsehole. — Paul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email
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"Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message
news:40516a9b_5@corp.newsgroups.com… > Rem Sleep!! That is what I have problems with. Good Lord. I’m e-mailing > my doc. now. I haven’t had a good night sleep in the past 7 or 8 years i > don’t think. I just don’t > get in to sleep deep enough is what I’ve been told…..that > is REM. Thank you so much. SusieQ
You are so welcome. It’s in the anti-depressant family. hc
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Rem Sleep!! That is what I have problems with. Good Lord. I’m e-mailing my doc. now. I haven’t had a good night sleep in the past 7 or 8 years i don’t think. I just don’t get in to sleep deep enough is what I’ve been told…..that is REM. Thank you so much. SusieQ "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message
news:10516ibsk8otne7@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The way my doc explained it to me was that it helps with your REM sleep so > you get more quality sleep. If you aren’t tired then you aren’t depressed. > hc > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message > news:40502843_8@corp.newsgroups.com… > > My server has been down since I posted earlier message! > > I’d never heard of Remeron. I have the typical sleep > > disorder with fibro. Wake up more tired then when I > > went to sleep… I’ll ask about Remeron. Thanks > > SusieQs > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > > news:1046se0lklsp3a5@corp.supernews.com… > > > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message > > > news:404330b1_6@corp.newsgroups.com… > > > > I’m on anti-d and I’m not even in treatment yet. With > > > > fibromyalgia, serotonin re-uptake drugs are helpful. > > > > I’ve gone off of them and did fine as far as not being > > > > depressed…..since I wasn’t taking them for depression > > > > anyway. Back on now because the pain and sleep > > > > disorder from the HCV induced fibro symptoms > > > > became worse. It is supposed to help decrease those symptoms. I > > haven’t > > > > found them to be a problem > > > > for limited periods of time. I’m terribly mild mannered > > > > right now though, and that is o.k….less stressful to just > > > > not give a crap about some things…and I can stay clear > > > > enough to make decisions about what is really important. > > > > Right now, clearning the virus and getting rid of the fibro > > > > is really important to me…. > > > > I don’t really see a problem with taking anti-depressant during > > treatment. > > > > Everyone has to come to a decision about what is right for them > though. > > > I’m with you Susie Q. (Hmmm, that sounds good right now. I have become a > > > junk food junkie since I’ve been on Tx) > > > Whatever one must do to get through this crap!! > > > I’m on 2 types of a-d’s. Zoloft, which I’ve finally able to cut down > from > > > 200mg to 100mg. I’m also on Remeron at bedtime to help me sleep. > > > hc > > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–
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The way my doc explained it to me was that it helps with your REM sleep so you get more quality sleep. If you aren’t tired then you aren’t depressed. hc "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message
news:40502843_8@corp.newsgroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My server has been down since I posted earlier message! > I’d never heard of Remeron. I have the typical sleep > disorder with fibro. Wake up more tired then when I > went to sleep… I’ll ask about Remeron. Thanks > SusieQs > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:1046se0lklsp3a5@corp.supernews.com… > > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message > > news:404330b1_6@corp.newsgroups.com… > > > I’m on anti-d and I’m not even in treatment yet. With > > > fibromyalgia, serotonin re-uptake drugs are helpful. > > > I’ve gone off of them and did fine as far as not being > > > depressed…..since I wasn’t taking them for depression > > > anyway. Back on now because the pain and sleep > > > disorder from the HCV induced fibro symptoms > > > became worse. It is supposed to help decrease those symptoms. I > haven’t > > > found them to be a problem > > > for limited periods of time. I’m terribly mild mannered > > > right now though, and that is o.k….less stressful to just > > > not give a crap about some things…and I can stay clear > > > enough to make decisions about what is really important. > > > Right now, clearning the virus and getting rid of the fibro > > > is really important to me…. > > > I don’t really see a problem with taking anti-depressant during > treatment. > > > Everyone has to come to a decision about what is right for them though. > > I’m with you Susie Q. (Hmmm, that sounds good right now. I have become a > > junk food junkie since I’ve been on Tx) > > Whatever one must do to get through this crap!! > > I’m on 2 types of a-d’s. Zoloft, which I’ve finally able to cut down from > > 200mg to 100mg. I’m also on Remeron at bedtime to help me sleep. > > hc > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–
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Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! — Regards, Shawn . "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message
news:1049djq509mu215@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I vaguely remember. Thanks for reminding me! > hc (damn brain fog) > "tim" <rota…@oohay.moc> wrote in message > news:A3U0c.160374$jk2.603961@attbi_s53… > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > > news:1047vuscctkq7d7@corp.supernews.com… > > > "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message > > > news:M3L0c.16531$C65.6977@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… > > > > After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on > > > > Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A > > > > noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex > > > > again!! > > > What???? > > > hc > > You know, sex. S-E-X. You’ve got kids, right? Didn’t they ever tell you > > where they came from? > > tim
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -heppiechik wrote: > <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:26677-40447224-511@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net… >>Re: Clarification concerning "depression" >>Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 2, 2004, 4:28am (EST+5) >>From: rota…@oohay.moc (tim) >>"heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message >>news:1047vuscctkq7d7@corp.supernews.com… >>"Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message >>news:M3L0c.16531$C65.6977@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… >>After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on Remeron for >>sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A noticeable difference! I’m >>starting to think about sex again!! >>What???? >>hc >>You know, sex. S-E-X. You’ve got kids, right? Didn’t they ever tell you >>where they came from? >>tim >>///////////////////////// >>And in case you didn’t know, SEX spelled backwards is XES. >>Elmo > What’s XES???? > hc
Isn’t XES too much SEX? The only thing I can remember having too much of is bad luck. "If it weren’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all." — Dwight Dragon Slayers’ Club: http://geocities.com/dwightmspage/
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Re: Clarification concerning "depression" Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 2, 2004, 10:29am (EST-1) From: canyougetme…@eatspam.spam (heppiechik) <elmoemer…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:26677-40447224-511@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net… Re: Clarification concerning "depression" Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 2, 2004, 4:28am (EST+5) From: rota…@oohay.moc (tim) "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message
news:1047vuscctkq7d7@corp.supernews.com… "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message news:M3L0c.16531$C65.6977@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex again!! What???? hc You know, sex. S-E-X. You’ve got kids, right? Didn’t they ever tell you where they came from? tim ///////////////////////// And in case you didn’t know, SEX spelled backwards is XES. Elmo What’s XES???? hc /////////////////////// Doggie style? Hell, I don’t know?! Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
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My server has been down since I posted earlier message! I’d never heard of Remeron. I have the typical sleep disorder with fibro. Wake up more tired then when I went to sleep… I’ll ask about Remeron. Thanks SusieQs "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message
news:1046se0lklsp3a5@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message > news:404330b1_6@corp.newsgroups.com… > > I’m on anti-d and I’m not even in treatment yet. With > > fibromyalgia, serotonin re-uptake drugs are helpful. > > I’ve gone off of them and did fine as far as not being > > depressed…..since I wasn’t taking them for depression > > anyway. Back on now because the pain and sleep > > disorder from the HCV induced fibro symptoms > > became worse. It is supposed to help decrease those symptoms. I haven’t > > found them to be a problem > > for limited periods of time. I’m terribly mild mannered > > right now though, and that is o.k….less stressful to just > > not give a crap about some things…and I can stay clear > > enough to make decisions about what is really important. > > Right now, clearning the virus and getting rid of the fibro > > is really important to me…. > > I don’t really see a problem with taking anti-depressant during treatment. > > Everyone has to come to a decision about what is right for them though. > I’m with you Susie Q. (Hmmm, that sounds good right now. I have become a > junk food junkie since I’ve been on Tx) > Whatever one must do to get through this crap!! > I’m on 2 types of a-d’s. Zoloft, which I’ve finally able to cut down from > 200mg to 100mg. I’m also on Remeron at bedtime to help me sleep. > hc
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HoofPrints wrote: > Is that the correct spelling for what you are taking? > If it is spelt like this instead, Chlorazepam, it is a benzodiazepine > and physically addicting. > Hoof
Not only that but it is ___not____ an anti-depressant, it is an anti-anxiety drug. Panic disorders etc. Hoof So I am still correct in my post to the other half of Post toasty Inc. ;-X – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Shawn wrote: > > After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on > > Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A > > noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex > > again!! > > — > > Regards, > > Shawn > > . > > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > > news:1046se0lklsp3a5@corp.supernews.com… > > > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message > > > news:404330b1_6@corp.newsgroups.com… > > > > I’m on anti-d and I’m not even in treatment yet. With > > > > fibromyalgia, serotonin re-uptake drugs are helpful. > > > > I’ve gone off of them and did fine as far as not being > > > > depressed…..since I wasn’t taking them for depression > > > > anyway. Back on now because the pain and sleep > > > > disorder from the HCV induced fibro symptoms > > > > became worse. It is supposed to help decrease those > > symptoms. I haven’t > > > > found them to be a problem > > > > for limited periods of time. I’m terribly mild mannered > > > > right now though, and that is o.k….less stressful to > > just > > > > not give a crap about some things…and I can stay clear > > > > enough to make decisions about what is really important. > > > > Right now, clearning the virus and getting rid of the > > fibro > > > > is really important to me…. > > > > I don’t really see a problem with taking anti-depressant > > during treatment. > > > > Everyone has to come to a decision about what is right > > for them though. > > > I’m with you Susie Q. (Hmmm, that sounds good right now. I > > have become a > > > junk food junkie since I’ve been on Tx) > > > Whatever one must do to get through this crap!! > > > I’m on 2 types of a-d’s. Zoloft, which I’ve finally able > > to cut down from > > > 200mg to 100mg. I’m also on Remeron at bedtime to help me > > sleep. > > > hc
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"Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:M3L0c.16531$C65.6977@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… > After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on > Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A > noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex > again!!
What???? hc
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"heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message
news:1047vuscctkq7d7@corp.supernews.com… > "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message > news:M3L0c.16531$C65.6977@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… > > After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on > > Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A > > noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex > > again!! > What???? > hc
You know, sex. S-E-X. You’ve got kids, right? Didn’t they ever tell you where they came from? tim
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Re: Clarification concerning "depression" Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 2, 2004, 4:28am (EST+5) From: rota…@oohay.moc (tim) "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message
news:1047vuscctkq7d7@corp.supernews.com… "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:M3L0c.16531$C65.6977@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex again!! What???? hc You know, sex. S-E-X. You’ve got kids, right? Didn’t they ever tell you where they came from? tim ///////////////////////// And in case you didn’t know, SEX spelled backwards is XES. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
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I vaguely remember. Thanks for reminding me! hc (damn brain fog) "tim" <rota…@oohay.moc> wrote in message
news:A3U0c.160374$jk2.603961@attbi_s53… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:1047vuscctkq7d7@corp.supernews.com… > > "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:M3L0c.16531$C65.6977@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… > > > After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on > > > Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A > > > noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex > > > again!! > > What???? > > hc > You know, sex. S-E-X. You’ve got kids, right? Didn’t they ever tell you > where they came from? > tim
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news:26677-40447224-511@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Re: Clarification concerning "depression" > Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 2, 2004, 4:28am (EST+5) > From: rota…@oohay.moc (tim) > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:1047vuscctkq7d7@corp.supernews.com… > "Shawn" <sh…@nospam.net> wrote in message > news:M3L0c.16531$C65.6977@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… > After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on Remeron for > sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A noticeable difference! I’m > starting to think about sex again!! > What???? > hc > You know, sex. S-E-X. You’ve got kids, right? Didn’t they ever tell you > where they came from? > tim > ///////////////////////// > And in case you didn’t know, SEX spelled backwards is XES. > Elmo
What’s XES???? hc
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:29:15 -0600, "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam>, in message ID <1049dl924trc…@corp.supernews.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >What’s XES????
Exes ???? — Paul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email
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On 29 Feb 2004 10:22:45 -0800, bluehou…@hotmail.com (Dave bluehound), in message ID <befac85e.0402291022.2c6f9…@posting.google.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >Paul, I too didn’t want to take AD’s. I had taken them before and >didn’t like them. (related to depression at work, I was an Oncology >RN). I stopped taking them and just delt with the sorrow when a pt >died. I felt this was natural greif and should be allowed to come >out. > My BCLD insisted I take ADs before he would start tx. I relented >and my ‘regular’ MD told me about ‘new’ drugs that weren’t as mentally >debilitating. I tried them,(Lexapro), and they worked. I realized I >needed them when I got Riba Rage.(big time). I went off on a violent >rage, posted some prepostrous(insane) story about sticking spikes in >peoples ears.
Yes, I remember that posting (and the subsequent retraction/apology). The story turned my guts over when I read it so I’m glad it wasn’t true . <SNIP> >P.S. Paul, thanks for the suggestion of sending my extra meds to a >pt’s MD and let him give them out was an excellent idea. Thanks. D.
That’s OK. It wasn’t actually original. I think I saw someone suggest that to someone else on here some time ago and I remembered it when I read your post. Thanks for what you said about anti-d’s. I feel less uncomfortable about them now but I would still prefer to wait and see. — Paul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email
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I’m on anti-d and I’m not even in treatment yet. With fibromyalgia, serotonin re-uptake drugs are helpful. I’ve gone off of them and did fine as far as not being depressed…..since I wasn’t taking them for depression anyway. Back on now because the pain and sleep disorder from the HCV induced fibro symptoms became worse. It is supposed to help decrease those symptoms. I haven’t found them to be a problem for limited periods of time. I’m terribly mild mannered right now though, and that is o.k….less stressful to just not give a crap about some things…and I can stay clear enough to make decisions about what is really important. Right now, clearning the virus and getting rid of the fibro is really important to me…. I don’t really see a problem with taking anti-depressant during treatment. Everyone has to come to a decision about what is right for them though. SusieQ "liquidstress" <.@.> wrote in message
news:15792280.f04ba0@news.bumsport.edu… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> From : Paul <dontspa…@westgreen.freeserve.co.uk> > Message-ID : <sb4540dd8ovbj6hjstvceu3giuj9hu3…@4ax.com> > >It wasn’t actually original. I think I saw someone > >suggest that to someone else on here some time ago and I remembered it > The *funnel* of Feral Cave Dwellers *medical advise* > Woe unto them that take *any* of their medical advise seriously.. > oooO0 > ( ) > ( > _) > 0Oooo > ( ) > ( > (_/
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news:404330b1_6@corp.newsgroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m on anti-d and I’m not even in treatment yet. With > fibromyalgia, serotonin re-uptake drugs are helpful. > I’ve gone off of them and did fine as far as not being > depressed…..since I wasn’t taking them for depression > anyway. Back on now because the pain and sleep > disorder from the HCV induced fibro symptoms > became worse. It is supposed to help decrease those symptoms. I haven’t > found them to be a problem > for limited periods of time. I’m terribly mild mannered > right now though, and that is o.k….less stressful to just > not give a crap about some things…and I can stay clear > enough to make decisions about what is really important. > Right now, clearning the virus and getting rid of the fibro > is really important to me…. > I don’t really see a problem with taking anti-depressant during treatment. > Everyone has to come to a decision about what is right for them though.
I’m with you Susie Q. (Hmmm, that sounds good right now. I have become a junk food junkie since I’ve been on Tx) Whatever one must do to get through this crap!! I’m on 2 types of a-d’s. Zoloft, which I’ve finally able to cut down from 200mg to 100mg. I’m also on Remeron at bedtime to help me sleep. hc
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After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex again!! — Regards, Shawn . "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message
news:1046se0lklsp3a5@corp.supernews.com… > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message > news:404330b1_6@corp.newsgroups.com… > > I’m on anti-d and I’m not even in treatment yet. With > > fibromyalgia, serotonin re-uptake drugs are helpful. > > I’ve gone off of them and did fine as far as not being > > depressed…..since I wasn’t taking them for depression > > anyway. Back on now because the pain and sleep > > disorder from the HCV induced fibro symptoms > > became worse. It is supposed to help decrease those
symptoms. I haven’t – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > found them to be a problem > > for limited periods of time. I’m terribly mild mannered > > right now though, and that is o.k….less stressful to just > > not give a crap about some things…and I can stay clear > > enough to make decisions about what is really important. > > Right now, clearning the virus and getting rid of the fibro > > is really important to me…. > > I don’t really see a problem with taking anti-depressant during treatment. > > Everyone has to come to a decision about what is right for them though. > I’m with you Susie Q. (Hmmm, that sounds good right now. I have become a > junk food junkie since I’ve been on Tx) > Whatever one must do to get through this crap!! > I’m on 2 types of a-d’s. Zoloft, which I’ve finally able to cut down from > 200mg to 100mg. I’m also on Remeron at bedtime to help me sleep. > hc
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Is that the correct spelling for what you are taking? If it is spelt like this instead, Chlorazepam, it is a benzodiazepine and physically addicting. Hoof – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Shawn wrote: > After being on Zoloft for 2 years, my new shrink put me on > Remeron for sleeping and Chlorazapan for anti-D. A > noticeable difference! I’m starting to think about sex > again!! > — > Regards, > Shawn > . > "heppiechik" <canyougetme…@eatspam.spam> wrote in message > news:1046se0lklsp3a5@corp.supernews.com… > > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message > > news:404330b1_6@corp.newsgroups.com… > > > I’m on anti-d and I’m not even in treatment yet. With > > > fibromyalgia, serotonin re-uptake drugs are helpful. > > > I’ve gone off of them and did fine as far as not being > > > depressed…..since I wasn’t taking them for depression > > > anyway. Back on now because the pain and sleep > > > disorder from the HCV induced fibro symptoms > > > became worse. It is supposed to help decrease those > symptoms. I haven’t > > > found them to be a problem > > > for limited periods of time. I’m terribly mild mannered > > > right now though, and that is o.k….less stressful to > just > > > not give a crap about some things…and I can stay clear > > > enough to make decisions about what is really important. > > > Right now, clearning the virus and getting rid of the > fibro > > > is really important to me…. > > > I don’t really see a problem with taking anti-depressant > during treatment. > > > Everyone has to come to a decision about what is right > for them though. > > I’m with you Susie Q. (Hmmm, that sounds good right now. I > have become a > > junk food junkie since I’ve been on Tx) > > Whatever one must do to get through this crap!! > > I’m on 2 types of a-d’s. Zoloft, which I’ve finally able > to cut down from > > 200mg to 100mg. I’m also on Remeron at bedtime to help me > sleep. > > hc
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Paul, I too didn’t want to take AD’s. I had taken them before and didn’t like them. (related to depression at work, I was an Oncology RN). I stopped taking them and just delt with the sorrow when a pt died. I felt this was natural greif and should be allowed to come out. My BCLD insisted I take ADs before he would start tx. I relented and my ‘regular’ MD told me about ‘new’ drugs that weren’t as mentally debilitating. I tried them,(Lexapro), and they worked. I realized I needed them when I got Riba Rage.(big time). I went off on a violent rage, posted some prepostrous(insane) story about sticking spikes in peoples ears. I immed. stopped work, had my MD slightly up my dosage and all was fine. I think if I didn’t have the AD on board at that time I would have been in big trouble. I’m one that feels, from personal experience, that the ADs are a ’safe’ bet. Don’t intrude on your life too much, I would have been able to work through them,(I stopped work related to brain fog from the tx), and they didn’t make me a zombie. I’m one that is in favor of them during tx. JMHO. Dave. P.S. Paul, thanks for the suggestion of sending my extra meds to a pt’s MD and let him give them out was an excellent idea. Thanks. D. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Paul <dontspa…@westgreen.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message <news:qfhr309s971unm1qc4ln2mq1fth1gc9q9e@4ax.com>… > I feel that I would like to post to clear something up. > In the past few days I have been on an emotional roller coaster. Some > people on the NG have expressed concerns about the possibility of me > having depression, about whether I can cope with my forthcoming tx, > and whether I am currently OK to start it. > I am very grateful for the feedback I have received and that people > have expressed their concerns – even to the person who I insulted > after he made a comment about lightbulbs and hanging (sorry about the > insult BTW). > As a general response, I would like to clarify a few items – some of > which I have previously stated and some that I haven’t. > Less than a year ago, a very good buddy of mine died while on tx. It > devastated me. I held his hand while they switched off his life > support. I went through a week of finding it difficult to remove the > visual image of him in the hospital bed from my mind’s eye. It kept > returning and I had a few dreams too. These dreams felt pleasant for > the most part. Nothing spooky or fearful. Quite liberating really > even though sometimes tearful. There is nothing depressive about > crying through grief. It is a natural process. In fact, I would say > that the person who doesn’t acknowledge such pain is more susceptible > to depression. However, after a few weeks, I had a second big shock > when, out of the blue, I was dx’d with hep-c. I didn’t know much > about it then and I was naturally very fearful. Just before my dx, a > second friend died. He also had hep-c. He was not on tx. He was > drinking alcoholically and the toxins went to his brain. For me to > experience these three events in the space of four weeks and expect no > emotional reaction would be totally unrealistic. It’s fair to say > that I was in bits. Although I had some occasional motivational > problems around my work, I slept OK, ate OK, and did the basics to get > me by. > The two deaths were in June and my dx was early July. It took till > around November/December to start feeling more at peace with what had > been going on. > In October, I realised that I needed to start unloading the baggage > and started having sessions with a psychotherapist. I’m not referring > to the stereotypical "lay on the couch, how long have you believed > that you are a cushion?" type therapy. It’s just me and a counsellor > discussing feelings, life events etc. Sometimes my deep wounds become > exposed. Sometimes the sessions are humorous. > Those that have been in therapy will understand when I say it does > stir up things that have lain dormant a long time. Therapy often > stirs up a hornets nest but, for me, it needs to be that way in order > to heal IMO. Those that have had such therapy will recognise that my > recent feelings are a perfectly normal result of opening up to a > professional counsellor. The ability to experience a wider range of > emotions. To someone who hasn’t done such therapy, it could well > appear that I have flipped my lid, am a candidate for depression, > suicide, boils on the bum, genital warts, and every other scourge > known to mankind. It is normal for therapy combined with major life > events to trigger dreams – even the unsettling ones. This is all part > of the healing. > Both the therapist and myself have discussed the possibility of > suspending the counselling during the tx. I do wish to continue with > it for the moment but we both know that the option exists to > temporarily stop. > The fact that I have had a dream linking tx with death is perfectly Ok > IMO. After all, I am about to start tx and I’ve seen someone die on > tx. Often with dreams, 2+2=5. > Therapy does trigger heightened sensitivity at times. Hearing that > word "non-responder" re a failed hep-b vaccination was a trigger for > temporary negative feelings. I’m fine today. > I am well warned about the possibility of tx causing depression. Due > to past addiction problems, I wish to avoid taking anti-d’s – unless > it’s the only way to remain on tx. I do have excellent back-up here. > I have many friends who understand me. Many of them have longterm > recoveries from addictions, some of those have been thru hep-c/tx – > with almost a 100% success rate too. I have a counsellor who is > prepared to stop/start therapy at short notice. As I live on my own, > I have friends who will be happy for me to share their homes for a > week or two at a time if things get too much around here. Even 95% of > my customers are OK about interruptions in service over the next few > months (I mailshotted them all). I didn’t say anything about hep-c but > did allude to liver problems. I could lose a third of my customers > before it started hurting and I could build the work up again after tx > if needed. > I have worked hard to prepare the ground for a succesful tx concerning > all the things that are within my control. Of course, some things are > out of my hands. It’s impossible to say ahead of time whether I could > be pulled off tx for low blood platelets or any other reason. The > signs are good as all my pre-tx LFTs were OK (platelets at 249 too). > I realise such things can change quite quickly but I feel that I am > giving myself the best chance possible for a succesful outcome. > I wonder, would a depressive get it together to write such a long > post? Would a depressive be sufficiently motivated to be so thorough > in prepating the ground? Would a depressive be able to insert a bit of > humour in his posts? I don’t know but the signs are good IMO. > If you got this far thanks for reading. > If you are a troll and wish to antagonize – May the fleas of a > thousand camels infest your arsehole.
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>PS: And if one of your fears is that you will become re-addicted to the >needle, I am sure some of the ex-needle freaks will assure you, that >that is not going to happen either. >Lynne
The Hoof is right, you will find no joy from this needle. Hang in there. There are alot of AD that will help, but be very wary of any benzos. Hip
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:01:05 -0700, h…@network.net, in message ID <g79s30dj2l74d9346c0q9rahe1ehd0h…@4ax.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: >>PS: And if one of your fears is that you will become re-addicted to the >>needle, I am sure some of the ex-needle freaks will assure you, that >>that is not going to happen either. >>Lynne >The Hoof is right, you will find no joy from this needle. Hang in >there. There are alot of AD that will help, but be very wary of any >benzos.
I’ve no concerns about regaining needle addiction thanks. Thanx for the warning re benzos. Wouldn’t touch them with a disinfected barge pole. — Paul Use the reply by email facility in your newsreader to send email
