Is Tempur-Pedic for real?
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This entire response is b.s. with Doughier Doo leaping to conclusions as he too frequently does. No spam. No pyramid scheme. Just somebody asking for info on a very legitimate product sold by very legitimate dealers, nationwide. I happen to own one of their pillows and am more than satisfied with it. Although it was expensive. At least by Dougie Doo’s standards. Who elected this clown the all-knowing-expert? Even on products and subjects he clearly knows nothing about. We’re all waiting for him to test Respironics new Whisper-whatever. Or take full credit for its existence. On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:55:34 GMT, redfal…@earthlink.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Druth) wrote: >It could have been a dream on or about 24 Aug 1998 16:16:07 GMT when >polkano…@aol.com (PolkaNoble) stunned my sensibilities with: >>Doug, >>Did you notice that some of the posters in this thread are regular posters? >>They do have some credibility. >>My point is that this may not be a spamming attempt and we can usually spot >>these when they occurr. Why not wait until the "next message" you expect is >>actually posted? >>I, for one, have appreciated the discussion on mattress options. Perhaps I am >>not wary enough, but there is time enough for accusations when and if the "next >>message" from a poster who is not a regular appears. >>Admitted;y, the originator of this thread is not a regular. If you made a >>search and discovered he was posting under an assumed name or he was trying to >>hide his true address or server or other info, then you are probably right. >>but, if you have not, the judgement that it is spam is premature. I don’t want >>to discourage legitimate discussion by flaming new posters as soon as they >>appear. >>Max Tunnell (PolkaNoble) >Hi Max, >Quite true, other replies belong to credible and regular posters. To >fortify your observation, my reply was to the original post only, and >I take no issue with any who follow this line of thought, since this >mattress may in-fact be therapeutic; however, I just take issue with >its mode of presentation. In the end, it appears that if the mattress >is therapeutic, it is overpriced. Hence the stealthy stratagem. But >let us look at this original post: >************************************************************************** ******* >Does anyone have or know anyone who has had a Tempur-Pedic >Swedish foam mattress? Are they all that the company says they are? I >know this is on the edge of this topic but I can’t find anyone who has >one and would appreciate any input. Thanks in advance. > Snuffy > snu…@ih2000.net >************************************************************************** ****** >To me, Max, this post reeks of SPAM. Incidentally, I received an >email from good old "Snuffy," and his/her/its rebuttal only reinforced >my perceptions. >For one, if I were interested in the therapeutic benefit of a mattress >for my sleep disorder, I would post something like, "Anyone know of >any good mattresses?" In fact, I would actually be limiting and >jeopardizing my ability to gather such data were I to focus in on one >mattress company only. Therefore, by old Snuff mentioning the brand, >he/she/it has limited him/her/itself to restricted information, which >should otherwise be antithetic to Snuff-Doggy-Dog’s wishes to procure >information. >The statement "Are they all that the company says they are?" is an >unsolicited advertisement. Again, such a statement only narrows the >availability of potential input and information for the inquirer. It >is leading, for it does not seek an objective answer. An objective >question would be, "Is this mattress any good?" >Finally, the statement "I know this is on the edge of this topic," is >actually an admission that this is SPAM, or at least that its >presentation was in a SPAM format. Use of the word "Swedish" in the >product name is used to connote mysticism of a foreign land, ergo "an >enchanted and surreal treatment which Western Medicine has yet to >somehow chance upon"; this always rubs me the wrong way. >One thing I will say is that there was no outright message that a >mattress can cure a sleep disorder. >But the implication of the same came through loud and clear. >Corky and Snuffy sittin’ in a tree, >K-I-S-S-I-N-G >Quack quack. >D
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Doug, Did you notice that some of the posters in this thread are regular posters? They do have some credibility. My point is that this may not be a spamming attempt and we can usually spot these when they occurr. Why not wait until the "next message" you expect is actually posted? I, for one, have appreciated the discussion on mattress options. Perhaps I am not wary enough, but there is time enough for accusations when and if the "next message" from a poster who is not a regular appears. Admitted;y, the originator of this thread is not a regular. If you made a search and discovered he was posting under an assumed name or he was trying to hide his true address or server or other info, then you are probably right. but, if you have not, the judgement that it is spam is premature. I don’t want to discourage legitimate discussion by flaming new posters as soon as they appear. Max Tunnell (PolkaNoble)
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It could have been a dream on or about 24 Aug 1998 16:16:07 GMT when polkano…@aol.com (PolkaNoble) stunned my sensibilities with: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Doug, >Did you notice that some of the posters in this thread are regular posters? >They do have some credibility. >My point is that this may not be a spamming attempt and we can usually spot >these when they occurr. Why not wait until the "next message" you expect is >actually posted? >I, for one, have appreciated the discussion on mattress options. Perhaps I am >not wary enough, but there is time enough for accusations when and if the "next >message" from a poster who is not a regular appears. >Admitted;y, the originator of this thread is not a regular. If you made a >search and discovered he was posting under an assumed name or he was trying to >hide his true address or server or other info, then you are probably right. >but, if you have not, the judgement that it is spam is premature. I don’t want >to discourage legitimate discussion by flaming new posters as soon as they >appear. >Max Tunnell (PolkaNoble)
Hi Max, Quite true, other replies belong to credible and regular posters. To fortify your observation, my reply was to the original post only, and I take no issue with any who follow this line of thought, since this mattress may in-fact be therapeutic; however, I just take issue with its mode of presentation. In the end, it appears that if the mattress is therapeutic, it is overpriced. Hence the stealthy stratagem. But let us look at this original post: *************************************************************************** ****** Does anyone have or know anyone who has had a Tempur-Pedic Swedish foam mattress? Are they all that the company says they are? I know this is on the edge of this topic but I can’t find anyone who has one and would appreciate any input. Thanks in advance. Snuffy snu…@ih2000.net *************************************************************************** ***** To me, Max, this post reeks of SPAM. Incidentally, I received an email from good old "Snuffy," and his/her/its rebuttal only reinforced my perceptions. For one, if I were interested in the therapeutic benefit of a mattress for my sleep disorder, I would post something like, "Anyone know of any good mattresses?" In fact, I would actually be limiting and jeopardizing my ability to gather such data were I to focus in on one mattress company only. Therefore, by old Snuff mentioning the brand, he/she/it has limited him/her/itself to restricted information, which should otherwise be antithetic to Snuff-Doggy-Dog’s wishes to procure information. The statement "Are they all that the company says they are?" is an unsolicited advertisement. Again, such a statement only narrows the availability of potential input and information for the inquirer. It is leading, for it does not seek an objective answer. An objective question would be, "Is this mattress any good?" Finally, the statement "I know this is on the edge of this topic," is actually an admission that this is SPAM, or at least that its presentation was in a SPAM format. Use of the word "Swedish" in the product name is used to connote mysticism of a foreign land, ergo "an enchanted and surreal treatment which Western Medicine has yet to somehow chance upon"; this always rubs me the wrong way. One thing I will say is that there was no outright message that a mattress can cure a sleep disorder. But the implication of the same came through loud and clear. Corky and Snuffy sittin’ in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G Quack quack. D
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In article <35e19521.183…@news.earthlink.net>, Druth <redfal…@earthlink.net> wrote: :polkano…@aol.com (PolkaNoble) wrote:
:>My point is that this may not be a spamming attempt and we can usually spot :>these when they occurr. Why not wait until the "next message" you expect is :>actually posted? Because he’s a moron? :To me, Max, this post reeks of SPAM. Incidentally, I received an I don’t think you know what `spam’ is. I also think you should have some faint idea of a clue, and considerably more experience with the net, before trying to "help" a newsgroup like this. For @#&*s sakes — :The statement "Are they all that the company says they are?" is an :unsolicited advertisement. — if you’d seen the advertising, you’d see why one would phrase it as such. But you don’t have a clue here, do you? :Finally, the statement "I know this is on the edge of this topic," is :actually an admission that this is SPAM, or at least that its :presentation was in a SPAM format. Use of the word "Swedish" in the Again, I don’t think you know what `spam’ means. Please, go read "news.announce.newusers." All of it. Repeatedly. :Corky and Snuffy sittin’ in a tree, :K-I-S-S-I-N-G :Quack quack. Oh. If your reading comprehension skills are limited because you’re still in grade school, that’s another matter entirely. To answer the original poster’s question: I rather doubt it, just because anything promoted that way never lives up to its claims — if it really _was_ all that and a bag of chips, it wouldn’t have to scream about how great it was; the customers would be doing it for them.
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Check out http://www.tempurpedic.com This a major manufacturer. No pyramid scheme. Sold by major retailers. And it works. If it’s too expensive, that’s just another of Dougie Doo’s opinions. On 26 Aug 1998 15:19:15 -0400, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -kmm@[remove-this-part]neon.ingenia.ca wrote: >In article <35e19521.183…@news.earthlink.net>, >Druth <redfal…@earthlink.net> wrote: >:polkano…@aol.com (PolkaNoble) wrote: >:>My point is that this may not be a spamming attempt and we can usually spot >:>these when they occurr. Why not wait until the "next message" you expect is >:>actually posted? >Because he’s a moron? >:To me, Max, this post reeks of SPAM. Incidentally, I received an >I don’t think you know what `spam’ is. I also think you should have some >faint idea of a clue, and considerably more experience with the net, >before trying to "help" a newsgroup like this. For @#&*s sakes — >:The statement "Are they all that the company says they are?" is an >:unsolicited advertisement. >– if you’d seen the advertising, you’d see why one would phrase it as >such. But you don’t have a clue here, do you? >:Finally, the statement "I know this is on the edge of this topic," is >:actually an admission that this is SPAM, or at least that its >:presentation was in a SPAM format. Use of the word "Swedish" in the >Again, I don’t think you know what `spam’ means. Please, go read >"news.announce.newusers." All of it. Repeatedly. >:Corky and Snuffy sittin’ in a tree, >:K-I-S-S-I-N-G >:Quack quack. >Oh. If your reading comprehension skills are limited because you’re still >in grade school, that’s another matter entirely. >To answer the original poster’s question: I rather doubt it, just because >anything promoted that way never lives up to its claims — if it really >_was_ all that and a bag of chips, it wouldn’t have to scream about how >great it was; the customers would be doing it for them.
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It could have been a dream on or about Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:15:15 GMT when bamu…@beachnet.com (Ralph Jungheim) stunned my sensibilities with: >This entire response is b.s. with Doughier Doo leaping to >conclusions as he too frequently does. No spam. No pyramid >scheme. Just somebody asking for info on a very legitimate >product sold by very legitimate dealers, nationwide.
Schmalph, let me see if I can better elucidate upon exactly what transpired here. There is nothing wrong with selling a Coke, right? [Other than that the carbonation (CO2) displaces oxygen and makes one winded, or at least per gossip of the laiety]. "Things go better with Coke!" I’m standing on a hot beach, someone has a TV going out of an RV, an ad comes up for COKE, and I’m not really too up-tight about that commercial. But how would you feel if you were sitting in a hospital bed, in traction, in pain, watching a good old standard-issue hospital television set, when subliminal pictures alternating between a picture of a Coke can and a person with a smile on their face free from pain, are periodically interjected into your viewing? Before you know it you are yelling, "Nurse! Get me a Coke! I need a Coke now!" There is misrepresentation, Ralpho. In the least, to "right" the "wrong," another periodic message should say, "Coke cannot alleviate pain." Similarly, an advertisement for a mattress on this group would be appropriate if a caveat of its inability to cure sleep disorders is mentioned. At least some daggumed reference to sleep disorders. Anything less means that the poster has not LURKED IN THE GROUP before posting, which is standard usenet protocol. Therefore, it was a gratuitous advertising strike. >I happen to own one of their pillows and am more than >satisfied with it. Although it was expensive. At least by >Dougie Doo’s standards. >Who elected this clown the all-knowing-expert? Even on >products and subjects he clearly knows nothing about.
Ralph, you elected me by defending a macro ideology at the expense and denial of individual transgressions. >We’re all waiting for him to test Respironics new >Whisper-whatever. Or take full credit for its existence.
Yeah, I would like to take full credit for the existence of the Whisper Swivel Valve. What *was* I thinking? D
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In article <35e77e8a.426…@news.earthlink.net>, Druth <redfal…@earthlink.net> wrote very poorly and nonsensically: :In the least, to "right" the "wrong," another periodic message should :say, "Coke cannot alleviate pain." Similarly, an advertisement for a :mattress on this group would be appropriate if a caveat of its :inability to cure sleep disorders is mentioned. At least some :daggumed reference to sleep disorders. Anything less means that the :poster has not LURKED IN THE GROUP before posting, which is standard :usenet protocol. Therefore, it was a gratuitous advertising strike. Listen. You post too often, _and_ you’re extremely stupid. Killfiling you will not rid a.s.s-d of the messes made from your spew, so please just try to limit your textual drooling for the benefit of all of us here.
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In article <6scv7j$hr…@portal.stwing.upenn.edu>, kmm@[remove-this-part]aaln.org wrote: > Listen. You post too often, _and_ you’re extremely stupid. Killfiling you > will not rid a.s.s-d of the messes made from your spew, so please just try > to limit your textual drooling for the benefit of all of us here.
gosh, kmm, i’m glad you said that. and i’m _really_ glad you said it in such a civil, helpful way, so that it was just a breeze for me, and the rest of the ng, to distinguish it from spew, messes, and textual drooling you attribute to doug. not. kmm, logorrhea is logorrhea. methinks it takes one to know one. and if you’re not going to be civil, could you at least be witty? kcd ps think "the delete key"—-it’s a friend to everyone. pps at least doug (usually) tries to help people. — I think it’s going to be a long time until American society accepts fat people. Dieting has been elevated into a religion, a new religion, and only the thin are "good" and saved. The new messiah is any weight-loss expert. And if you couple religious fervor and righteousness with desire and pressure [to lose weight], you have a recipe for dismissive posturing. – C. K. Grinnell
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> I have a queen Tempur-pedic. Had it for about 5 years. expensive. Would not trade > it. It retains its shape, no body depressions forming in the foam.
- Jay – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anyone have or know anyone who has had a Tempur-Pedic > Swedish foam mattress? Are they all that the company says they are? I > know this is on the edge of this topic but I can’t find anyone who has > one and would appreciate any input. Thanks in advance. > Snuffy > snu…@ih2000.net
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On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:10:29 GMT, after having stubbed my toe on the damned stairwell, I was temporarily distracted when bamu…@beachnet.com (Ralph Jungheim) wrote: >Another bulletin from Fantasyland.
De plane! De plane! Oh. Wrong venue. Schmalph. D
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It could have been a dream on or about Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:28:10 -0500 when "William G. Campbell" <snu…@ih2000.net> stunned my sensibilities with: >Does anyone have or know anyone who has had a Tempur-Pedic Swedish foam >mattress? Are they all that the company says they are? I know this is on the >edge of this topic but I can’t find anyone who has one and would appreciate >any input. Thanks in advance. > Snuffy > snu…@ih2000.net
This is the bait. A followup will occur in a day or two — or more — from supposedly someone "else." I don’t know which is worse, "Snuffy" who sells Tempur-Pedics or "Corky" who sells Nikken. I guess real names are out of the question in multi-level-marketing businesses on the internet. Makes sense, since once a real name is given then three or four deceptive names to connote that "everybody is interested in it" won’t work. D
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Doug, From what I can see there is a very real differnce between Tempur-Pedic and Nikken. Tempur-Pedic is limited benefit, high price. Nikken is pure ripoff. regards, eric pearson er…@nospammindspring.com On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 03:51:35 GMT, redfal…@earthlink.net (Druth) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It could have been a dream on or about Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:28:10 -0500 >when "William G. Campbell" <snu…@ih2000.net> stunned my >sensibilities with: >>Does anyone have or know anyone who has had a Tempur-Pedic Swedish foam >>mattress? Are they all that the company says they are? I know this is on the >>edge of this topic but I can’t find anyone who has one and would appreciate >>any input. Thanks in advance. >> Snuffy >> snu…@ih2000.net >This is the bait. >A followup will occur in a day or two — or more — from supposedly >someone "else." >I don’t know which is worse, "Snuffy" who sells Tempur-Pedics or >"Corky" who sells Nikken. >I guess real names are out of the question in multi-level-marketing >businesses on the internet. Makes sense, since once a real name is >given then three or four deceptive names to connote that "everybody is >interested in it" won’t work. >D
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snuffy: i have been investigating mattresses for a month or two now. tempur-pedic is pretty cool and they will HAPPILY send you a promo video, etc. it’s a cool material, a foam with memory. but their mattress is VERY expensive, like $1200—-1500. it is also not adjustable. if you are serious about them, perhaps you should buy one of their pillows (an average one is $85) just to get used to the material. the deal is, my husband and i, both big people, decided if we were going to fork out the bucks, we’d fork ‘em out for select comfort, which is not only adjustable, but which has a control for each of us. we’ve had it a week (they have a 90-days-trial) and we love it. we have a platform bed so what we got was about $950 worth of very light, very fancy air mattress, and we sleep GREAT. my $.02 on the matter, kcd — I think it’s going to be a long time until American society accepts fat people. Dieting has been elevated into a religion, a new religion, and only the thin are "good" and saved. The new messiah is any weight-loss expert. And if you couple religious fervor and righteousness with desire and pressure [to lose weight], you have a recipe for dismissive posturing. – C. K. Grinnell
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On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:28:10 -0500, "William G. Campbell" <snu…@ih2000.net> wrote: >Does anyone have or know anyone who has had a Tempur-Pedic Swedish foam >mattress? Are they all that the company says they are? I know this is on the >edge of this topic but I can’t find anyone who has one and would appreciate >any input. Thanks in advance. > Snuffy > snu…@ih2000.net
I don’t know anything about it yet, but their video is supposed to be on its way to me along with a sample of the foam. I’ll let you know what it looks like, if you want. Skip
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Does anyone have or know anyone who has had a Tempur-Pedic Swedish foam mattress? Are they all that the company says they are? I know this is on the edge of this topic but I can’t find anyone who has one and would appreciate any input. Thanks in advance. Snuffy snu…@ih2000.net
