Does anyone know if Lunesta is available in Canada? I can’t seem to find out, I even called my pharmacy and they don’t know. (Which I can’t figure out. Why woudn’t a pharmacy know?) Dana

Maybe they didn’t want to take the time to check it out for you and yet wanted to give you an honest answer,,,,,, just a thought, Bear

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Does anyone know if Lunesta is available in Canada? I can’t seem to find out, I even called my pharmacy and they don’t know. (Which I can’t figure out. Why woudn’t a pharmacy know?) Dana

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Zomby, I’m with you.  I’ve been taking Sonota for years and am back with it. I keep trying to take the Lunesta, but the taste wakes me up all night. It’s so nasty I cannot tolerate it.  Some nights I sleep really well with it I love it, but I just can’t affort the problems with the taste waking me up…and not knowing when. Sonota sometimes isn’t strong enough with one, so I’ll take two…just depends.  Overall it’s my drug of choice, but I don’t fully stay asleep. I just wish I could sleep normally sigh Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – something wonderfully witty: Does anyone know if Lunesta is available in Canada? I can’t seem to find out, I even called my pharmacy and they don’t know. (Which I can’t figure out. Why woudn’t a pharmacy know?) Dana Here is the website: http://www.lunesta.com/ I didn’t see anything about Canada but that doesn’t mean we can’t get it. Physician’s info says that they did clinical trials in Canada too. http://www.lunesta.com/PostedApprovedLabelingText.pdf Here is Canadian info: Pantheon, Inc. Mississauga, Ontario L5N 7K9 The stuff ain’t all that great.  I used to get good results from Restoril until like most drugs my body adapted and over came.  I am now taking Sonata, which seems to be working better then the Lunesta and doesn’t have that nasty assed after taste Lunesta has. Hypnotics (sedatives, minor tranquilizers, and anti-anxiety drugs) are the most commonly prescribed medications for insomnia. Commonly prescribed hypnotics include the following drugs: benzodiazepines (common names include: Dalmane, Klonopin, Doral, Halcion, Ativan, Xanax, Restoril, Serax, Centrax, ProSom, and Rohypnol), non-benzodiazepines (common names include: Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata, and Imovane), and antidepressants (common names include: Desyrel and Trazadone). Most folks usually find the benzodiazepines the most effective, but have a problem over the long-term building up a tolerance if used daily.  They then need to take higher & higher dosages and one day don’t wake-up no more. 1-888-394-7377 It is eszopiclone . It looks like it may be available in Canada under another name http://pecupdate.org/pecupdate/articles/drugs_in_the_pipeline_20006.html Eszopiclone (Estorra; Sepracor): A short-acting hypnotic for transient and chronic insomnia. This is the S-isomer of zopiclone, which is available in Canada and Europe. Its mechanism of action is similar to zaleplon (Sonata) and zolpidem (Ambien)  GABA-BZ receptor agonist.    * Status at FDA: Approvable since Feb 27, 2004.    * Advantages: Lack of hangover effect and dependency that occurs with benzodiazepines. If approved would be the first agent labeled for chronic insomnia.    * Disadvantages: Bitter taste of the tablet has been reported in clinical trials. ‘did

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Michelle, I tried the Lunesta when it first came out and it did nothing.  Then I ran out of Ambien and thought I’d give the Lunesta another try.  Still nothing.  So the next night, I took two.  Only change, I had a hypoglycemia attack at 2:30 in the morning.  Very strange for the Lunesta to affect my blood sugar.  Now, I have my Ambien back, but also have Restoril, Klonopin, and Zanaflex, all as needed for sleep. This week the neurologist decided to give another anti-seizure medicine a try as a preventative for migraine.  It is Trileptal, a relative of Tegretol.  I am supposed to take 150 mg at bedtime for a week, then titrate up to 300 mg at bedtime.  My sleep disorder is supposedly what is causing my migraines, but I recently had to go back on the pill (Yasmin) because I was having hormonal migraines and two periods per month.  So much for trying to reduce the number of prescription meds that I take (Sigh). Karen in San Diego – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zomby, I’m with you.  I’ve been taking Sonota for years and am back with it. I keep trying to take the Lunesta, but the taste wakes me up all night. It’s so nasty I cannot tolerate it.  Some nights I sleep really well with it I love it, but I just can’t affort the problems with the taste waking me up…and not knowing when. Sonota sometimes isn’t strong enough with one, so I’ll take two…just depends.  Overall it’s my drug of choice, but I don’t fully stay asleep. I just wish I could sleep normally sigh Michelle something wonderfully witty: Does anyone know if Lunesta is available in Canada? I can’t seem to find out, I even called my pharmacy and they don’t know. (Which I can’t figure out. Why woudn’t a pharmacy know?) Dana Here is the website: http://www.lunesta.com/ I didn’t see anything about Canada but that doesn’t mean we can’t get it. Physician’s info says that they did clinical trials in Canada too. http://www.lunesta.com/PostedApprovedLabelingText.pdf Here is Canadian info: Pantheon, Inc. Mississauga, Ontario L5N 7K9 The stuff ain’t all that great.  I used to get good results from Restoril until like most drugs my body adapted and over came.  I am now taking Sonata, which seems to be working better then the Lunesta and doesn’t have that nasty assed after taste Lunesta has. Hypnotics (sedatives, minor tranquilizers, and anti-anxiety drugs) are the most commonly prescribed medications for insomnia. Commonly prescribed hypnotics include the following drugs: benzodiazepines (common names include: Dalmane, Klonopin, Doral, Halcion, Ativan, Xanax, Restoril, Serax, Centrax, ProSom, and Rohypnol), non-benzodiazepines (common names include: Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata, and Imovane), and antidepressants (common names include: Desyrel and Trazadone). Most folks usually find the benzodiazepines the most effective, but have a problem over the long-term building up a tolerance if used daily.  They then need to take higher & higher dosages and one day don’t wake-up no more. 1-888-394-7377 It is eszopiclone . It looks like it may be available in Canada under another name http://pecupdate.org/pecupdate/articles/drugs_in_the_pipeline_20006.html Eszopiclone (Estorra; Sepracor): A short-acting hypnotic for transient and chronic insomnia. This is the S-isomer of zopiclone, which is available in Canada and Europe. Its mechanism of action is similar to zaleplon (Sonata) and zolpidem (Ambien)  GABA-BZ receptor agonist.   * Status at FDA: Approvable since Feb 27, 2004.   * Advantages: Lack of hangover effect and dependency that occurs with benzodiazepines. If approved would be the first agent labeled for chronic insomnia.   * Disadvantages: Bitter taste of the tablet has been reported in clinical trials. ‘did

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Here is the website: http://www.lunesta.com/

Thanks Kadee. Looks very much like what I take now, Imovane. (Zopiclone), which isn’t working well and is giving me nasty morning after headaches. But I’ll definitely read up on it since it’s not exactly the same spelling. Dana

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The stuff ain’t all that great.  I used to get good results from Restoril until like most drugs my body adapted and over came.  I am now taking Sonata, which seems to be working better then the Lunesta and doesn’t have that nasty assed after taste Lunesta has.

Yeah? I haven’t tried Sonata. Don’t know if I can get it here. Hypnotics (sedatives, minor tranquilizers, and anti-anxiety drugs) are the most commonly prescribed medications for insomnia. Commonly prescribed hypnotics include the following drugs: benzodiazepines (common names include: Dalmane, Klonopin, Doral, Halcion, Ativan, Xanax, Restoril, Serax, Centrax, ProSom, and Rohypnol), non-benzodiazepines (common names include: Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata, and Imovane), and antidepressants (common names include: Desyrel and Trazadone).

Been there done that. I’m currently on Imovane, which I think is very much like Lunesta (Zopiclone instead of Eszopiclone) . I liked Ambien but can’t get it in Canada. And I already do the Klonopin low-dose at night thing for neck muscle relaxation, so more of that is out, even though it does work well for sleep. Dana

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Maybe they didn’t want to take the time to check it out for you and yet wanted to give you an honest answer,,,,,, just a thought,

Very true. But considering the huge amount of money I spend in there, I think they could have taken the time to look it up for me. They’ve done so before with other meds. Frova, I think. Not too long ago. It literally took seconds for them to access it on their computer. Dana

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I often wonder if it’s just that I don’t live on this life cycle.  I can sleep fine if I can go to bed at 1-2:00 in the morning and sleep for 8 hours.  I’ve always been a night person living in a corporate day world…just stinks.  On weekends I tend to be okay, although I try to stick fairly close to my schedule regardless.  I notice I get up less often on the weekends.  Mondays are awful mornings. I’ve tried Tegretol and Trileptol.  I currently am now on 100 mg of Zonegran, although that really does nothing for me except make me a tad drowsy.  All of the antiseizure drugs have given me bad side effects, even Zonegran, but I can tolerate a small dosage of this one. I am back on two Yasmin a day…it’s what I have to take to manage my migraines…any less and I’m struggling. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michelle, I tried the Lunesta when it first came out and it did nothing.  Then I ran out of Ambien and thought I’d give the Lunesta another try.  Still nothing.  So the next night, I took two.  Only change, I had a hypoglycemia attack at 2:30 in the morning.  Very strange for the Lunesta to affect my blood sugar.  Now, I have my Ambien back, but also have Restoril, Klonopin, and Zanaflex, all as needed for sleep. This week the neurologist decided to give another anti-seizure medicine a try as a preventative for migraine.  It is Trileptal, a relative of Tegretol.  I am supposed to take 150 mg at bedtime for a week, then titrate up to 300 mg at bedtime.  My sleep disorder is supposedly what is causing my migraines, but I recently had to go back on the pill (Yasmin) because I was having hormonal migraines and two periods per month.  So much for trying to reduce the number of prescription meds that I take (Sigh). Karen in San Diego Zomby, I’m with you.  I’ve been taking Sonota for years and am back with it. I keep trying to take the Lunesta, but the taste wakes me up all night. It’s so nasty I cannot tolerate it.  Some nights I sleep really well with it I love it, but I just can’t affort the problems with the taste waking me up…and not knowing when. Sonota sometimes isn’t strong enough with one, so I’ll take two…just depends.  Overall it’s my drug of choice, but I don’t fully stay asleep. I just wish I could sleep normally sigh Michelle something wonderfully witty: Does anyone know if Lunesta is available in Canada? I can’t seem to find out, I even called my pharmacy and they don’t know. (Which I can’t figure out. Why woudn’t a pharmacy know?) Dana Here is the website: http://www.lunesta.com/ I didn’t see anything about Canada but that doesn’t mean we can’t get it. Physician’s info says that they did clinical trials in Canada too. http://www.lunesta.com/PostedApprovedLabelingText.pdf Here is Canadian info: Pantheon, Inc. Mississauga, Ontario L5N 7K9 The stuff ain’t all that great.  I used to get good results from Restoril until like most drugs my body adapted and over came.  I am now taking Sonata, which seems to be working better then the Lunesta and doesn’t have that nasty assed after taste Lunesta has. Hypnotics (sedatives, minor tranquilizers, and anti-anxiety drugs) are the most commonly prescribed medications for insomnia. Commonly prescribed hypnotics include the following drugs: benzodiazepines (common names include: Dalmane, Klonopin, Doral, Halcion, Ativan, Xanax, Restoril, Serax, Centrax, ProSom, and Rohypnol), non-benzodiazepines (common names include: Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata, and Imovane), and antidepressants (common names include: Desyrel and Trazadone). Most folks usually find the benzodiazepines the most effective, but have a problem over the long-term building up a tolerance if used daily.  They then need to take higher & higher dosages and one day don’t wake-up no more. 1-888-394-7377 It is eszopiclone . It looks like it may be available in Canada under another name http://pecupdate.org/pecupdate/articles/drugs_in_the_pipeline_20006.html Eszopiclone (Estorra; Sepracor): A short-acting hypnotic for transient and chronic insomnia. This is the S-isomer of zopiclone, which is available in Canada and Europe. Its mechanism of action is similar to zaleplon (Sonata) and zolpidem (Ambien)  GABA-BZ receptor agonist.   * Status at FDA: Approvable since Feb 27, 2004.   * Advantages: Lack of hangover effect and dependency that occurs with benzodiazepines. If approved would be the first agent labeled for chronic insomnia.   * Disadvantages: Bitter taste of the tablet has been reported in clinical trials. ‘did

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Zomby, I’m with you.  I’ve been taking Sonota for years and am back with it. I keep trying to take the Lunesta, but the taste wakes me up all night. It’s so nasty I cannot tolerate it.  Some nights I sleep really well with it I love it, but I just can’t affort the problems with the taste waking me up…and not knowing when.

I’ve tried every trick in the book to get rid of that taste.  Brushing my teeth after taking it and using a strong mouthwash.  Performing the same procedure again upon waking, still no dice it is there all day long and it is nasty. I’m doing half-assed ok on the Sonata.  The Dr said it’s half-life is only four hours so take one at bedtime and if I wake up take another. Sometimes I’ll just take one, others two.  At least I get a little more sleep with it then the 3/4 hours I was getting without it.  My biggest problem is my sleep cycle is just so screwed up.  I’ve never worked off a 24-hour clock.   Sonota sometimes isn’t strong enough with one, so I’ll take two…just depends.  Overall it’s my drug of choice, but I don’t fully stay asleep. I just wish I could sleep normally sigh

Don’t we all.  I used to drink myself to sleep.  That is not a method I recommend. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michelle something wonderfully witty: Does anyone know if Lunesta is available in Canada? I can’t seem to find out, I even called my pharmacy and they don’t know. (Which I can’t figure out. Why woudn’t a pharmacy know?) Dana Here is the website: http://www.lunesta.com/ I didn’t see anything about Canada but that doesn’t mean we can’t get it. Physician’s info says that they did clinical trials in Canada too. http://www.lunesta.com/PostedApprovedLabelingText.pdf Here is Canadian info: Pantheon, Inc. Mississauga, Ontario L5N 7K9 The stuff ain’t all that great.  I used to get good results from Restoril until like most drugs my body adapted and over came.  I am now taking Sonata, which seems to be working better then the Lunesta and doesn’t have that nasty assed after taste Lunesta has. Hypnotics (sedatives, minor tranquilizers, and anti-anxiety drugs) are the most commonly prescribed medications for insomnia. Commonly prescribed hypnotics include the following drugs: benzodiazepines (common names include: Dalmane, Klonopin, Doral, Halcion, Ativan, Xanax, Restoril, Serax, Centrax, ProSom, and Rohypnol), non-benzodiazepines (common names include: Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata, and Imovane), and antidepressants (common names include: Desyrel and Trazadone). Most folks usually find the benzodiazepines the most effective, but have a problem over the long-term building up a tolerance if used daily.  They then need to take higher & higher dosages and one day don’t wake-up no more. 1-888-394-7377 It is eszopiclone . It looks like it may be available in Canada under another name http://pecupdate.org/pecupdate/articles/drugs_in_the_pipeline_20006.html Eszopiclone (Estorra; Sepracor): A short-acting hypnotic for transient and chronic insomnia. This is the S-isomer of zopiclone, which is available in Canada and Europe. Its mechanism of action is similar to zaleplon (Sonata) and zolpidem (Ambien)  GABA-BZ receptor agonist.    * Status at FDA: Approvable since Feb 27, 2004.    * Advantages: Lack of hangover effect and dependency that occurs with benzodiazepines. If approved would be the first agent labeled for chronic insomnia.    * Disadvantages: Bitter taste of the tablet has been reported in clinical trials. ‘did

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Don’t we all.  I used to drink myself to sleep.  That is not a method I recommend.

I’ve tried that. It’s not good for migraines. Or for keeping jobs. Or for sleeping, really. Or anything. Dana

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That’s why the nyquil thing never worked for me…the alcohol only served to wake me up and I never slept well when I used it. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t we all.  I used to drink myself to sleep.  That is not a method I recommend. I’ve tried that. It’s not good for migraines. Or for keeping jobs. Or for sleeping, really. Or anything. Dana

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On Sat, 07 May 2005 11:24:13 -0500, in soc.support.fat-acceptance Lady Veteran – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<army…@bigfoot.com> wrote: >—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– >Hash: SHA1 >On Fri, 06 May 2005 19:57:35 -0700, nos…@noaspam.org wrote: >>On Fri, 6 May 2005 20:45:48 -0600, in alt.support.sleep-disorder >>"Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote: >>>multiple group cross posting >>>plonk for this sender……. this is one too many >>>and i just fed her >>>hiya Kate Horton of Calgary! >>>kate >>Boo fucking hoo.. >and fuck you too. >Useless. >LV

Kate Horton of Calgary would enjoy that!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Be sure your dishwashing liquid doesn’t contain lanoline (a lot of > dishwashing liquids for washing dished by hands does). > My understanding is that lanoline degrades the silicone that mask seals (and > nasal pillows) are made of. > Also, nix the tightenting.  That will make lot’s of problems (including > pressure sores). > If at all possible, I’d suggest loosening the straps, and then positioning > the mask by hand.  Can you get a seal that way?  If so, then adjust things > slowly to preserve the geometry you got by hand.  If you can’t prevent > leaking at all, then I’m not sure what I’d suggest.  The guess would be that > the mask just doesn’t fit the contours of your face.  Normally I’d suggest > trying a different mask.  If that’s impossible, I don’t know.  Anyone else > have any ideas? > Paul R

The positioning by hand sounds like a good way to go. I am wearing the mask very low, over my top lip, so I think the whole thing is probably out of kilter. The problem has been sort of solved in the meantime however. I had a sleep study last night (came out very well – can lower my CPAP pressure from 8 to 6) and used a Resmed Mirage Swift for the study. It was fantastic, just slipped it on and there was no adjustment required – no leaks at all. And it doesn’t go anywhere near my forehead to cause the headaches. I rushed out and bought one today, so I am looking forward to a good night’s sleep tonight. Janet

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<j_j_mage…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1115516234.242242.116390@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… >I am fairly sure it is clean, but might try using a dishwashing > detergent instead of baby shampoo, just to make sure. > I have adjusted the straps, but when I get to the point where the mask > no longer leaks, the bits that rest on my forehead are tight enough to > make me wait with a headache (I have a very sensitive head, > unfortunately). > Janet

Be sure your dishwashing liquid doesn’t contain lanoline (a lot of dishwashing liquids for washing dished by hands does). My understanding is that lanoline degrades the silicone that mask seals (and nasal pillows) are made of. Also, nix the tightenting.  That will make lot’s of problems (including pressure sores). If at all possible, I’d suggest loosening the straps, and then positioning the mask by hand.  Can you get a seal that way?  If so, then adjust things slowly to preserve the geometry you got by hand.  If you can’t prevent leaking at all, then I’m not sure what I’d suggest.  The guess would be that the mask just doesn’t fit the contours of your face.  Normally I’d suggest trying a different mask.  If that’s impossible, I don’t know.  Anyone else have any ideas? Paul R

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Save your insurance company some money and go on a diet. On Sat, 7 May 2005 20:13:34 -0500, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "h.sanders" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<h.sand…@comcast.net> wrote: ><j_j_mage…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:1115433328.357278.128150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… >> I have been using my Respironics Comfort Lite nasal mask for about 10 >> months now. It all seems to be in good condition, and I clean it daily, >> however it seems to be leaking now more often than it used to. >> Is this an indication that the silicon seal needs replacing? I can’t >> seen anything wrong with it, and it is still very flexible.  How long >> do the seals usually last? >> Janet >> ————————————- >At 10 months, your mask is nearing  (or past) the end of its useful life. >Most insurance companies (in the U.S. anyway) will replace a mask every six >months or less. I get a new one every six months whether I need it or not. >That way I always have a spare around.  And as an added bonus, it gives me a >chance to check out new mask designs. I’m eligible for a new one now, so I’m >going to give the Respironics Comfort Curve a try. >Hal S.

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Thanks to you all for replying. It certainly sounds as if I need a new mask. Unfortunately in Australia, our private health cover doesn’t cover masks  - get one CPAP machine every two years (max AU$1200) but no masks or accessories. Masks are AU$250+ each. Never mind – I have been thinking about trying something different – just have to do some research, so that I get best value for money. Janet

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I am fairly sure it is clean, but might try using a dishwashing detergent instead of baby shampoo, just to make sure. I have adjusted the straps, but when I get to the point where the mask no longer leaks, the bits that rest on my forehead are tight enough to make me wait with a headache (I have a very sensitive head, unfortunately). Janet

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<j_j_mage…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1115433328.357278.128150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… > I have been using my Respironics Comfort Lite nasal mask for about 10 > months now. It all seems to be in good condition, and I clean it daily, > however it seems to be leaking now more often than it used to. > Is this an indication that the silicon seal needs replacing? I can’t > seen anything wrong with it, and it is still very flexible.  How long > do the seals usually last? > Janet > ————————————-

At 10 months, your mask is nearing  (or past) the end of its useful life. Most insurance companies (in the U.S. anyway) will replace a mask every six months or less. I get a new one every six months whether I need it or not. That way I always have a spare around.  And as an added bonus, it gives me a chance to check out new mask designs. I’m eligible for a new one now, so I’m going to give the Respironics Comfort Curve a try. Hal S.

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In article <1115433328.357278.128…@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,  j_j_mage…@hotmail.com wrote: > I have been using my Respironics Comfort Lite nasal mask for about 10 > months now. It all seems to be in good condition, and I clean it daily, > however it seems to be leaking now more often than it used to. > Is this an indication that the silicon seal needs replacing? I can’t > seen anything wrong with it, and it is still very flexible.  How long > do the seals usually last? > Janet

All of the manufacturers’ reps who have attended our AWAKE group meetings have all recommend mask replacement in 6 months or sooner. I don’t know whether planned obsolescence is built in as a profit making tool by design or a necessity due to the nature of the best materials, but in my readings of this group indicate there is definitely a high correlation between time of use and degradation. Get a new mask. Most insurance companies allow replacement after 6 months (and some after 3). harlan — To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

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j_j_mage…@hotmail.com wrote: > I have been using my Respironics Comfort Lite nasal mask for about 10 > months now. It all seems to be in good condition, and I clean it daily, > however it seems to be leaking now more often than it used to. > Is this an indication that the silicon seal needs replacing? I can’t > seen anything wrong with it, and it is still very flexible.  How long > do the seals usually last? > Janet

Hi Janet Is it possible that your straps have stretched?  Have you tightened them at all during the 10 months? If you can a new one via insurance, do it.  Otherwise, try tightening the straps JUST A LITTLE. Also, are you keeping it free of skin oils or dry skin flakes?

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I have been using my Respironics Comfort Lite nasal mask for about 10 months now. It all seems to be in good condition, and I clean it daily, however it seems to be leaking now more often than it used to. Is this an indication that the silicon seal needs replacing? I can’t seen anything wrong with it, and it is still very flexible.  How long do the seals usually last? Janet

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I have been on my Cpap about a month and have noticed a few things: At the beginning of a session I feel the air  pressure of the machine. When I later awake, either naturally or by whatever event that keeps me grouchy, the air pressure seems absent or reduced.  Is this from me getting conditioned/used to it after a bit or could my new machine be bad? Does anyone ever smell a faint burnt hair like odor when you remove your mask after a session? Maske seems quiet in the beginning and gets louder throughout the session.  That my just be my hearing becoming more sensitive during the night. I like my machine.  It’s simple to use and has the nifty feature of never needing to be switched on.  I just mouth breath while I get the mask fitted, get comfy (as possible) and switch to nose breathing. The machine senses this and starts right up.  Of course this may be normal for all machines. Overall.  I have not noticed any benefit from Cpap and it does not seem to help with my exhale obstruction any.  I feel I am going to have to consult with an ENT to better check for another physical problem. Ed

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> At the beginning of a session I feel the air  pressure of the machine. > When I later awake, either naturally or by whatever event that keeps > me grouchy, the air pressure seems absent or reduced.  Is this from me > getting conditioned/used to it after a bit or could my new machine be > bad?

we commonly get people asking that here – but yes, it is just that you’re getting used to it! > Does anyone ever smell a faint burnt hair like odor when you remove > your mask after a session?

just a guess but it could be a smell that’s always there, but because you spend 8 (or however many) hours sleeping with filtered air, you suddenly notice the smell when the air is no longer filtered after taking the mask off — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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On Sun, 01 May 2005 09:20:09 -0400, Grebbler <grebbler-wantsnosp…@yahoo.com> wrote: >I have been on my Cpap about a month and have noticed a few things: >At the beginning of a session I feel the air  pressure of the machine. >When I later awake, either naturally or by whatever event that keeps >me grouchy, the air pressure seems absent or reduced.  Is this from me >getting conditioned/used to it after a bit or could my new machine be >bad?

You get used to it. Do you have a ramp button? This feature works on the same theory. ( Wish I could adjust the ramp speed on my machine, it seems way too slow. ) If you want to test to see that it is still working, you can so in two ways. Feel the vent holes on the mask to see if air is coming out. Open you mouth for a second. If it is working you will feel a rush of air come out of your mouth. >Does anyone ever smell a faint burnt hair like odor when you remove >your mask after a session? >Maske seems quiet in the beginning and gets louder throughout the >session.  That my just be my hearing becoming more sensitive during >the night.

Noise is often due to leaks. The mask may be shifting in the night and causing leaks. One thing I notice is that sitting down it’s OK, but then I lie down and sometimes it changes the tension on the straps. >I like my machine.  It’s simple to use and has the nifty feature of >never needing to be switched on.  I just mouth breath while I get the >mask fitted, get comfy (as possible) and switch to nose breathing. >The machine senses this and starts right up.  Of course this may be >normal for all machines.

It’s normal for all newer machines. You don’t mention what kind of machine you use. That would help people answer you better. OIn some machines you may have to press a button for the heating on the humidifier or the ramping. >Overall.  I have not noticed any benefit from Cpap and it does not >seem to help with my exhale obstruction any.  I feel I am going to >have to consult with an ENT to better check for another physical >problem.

– Thad

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Grebbler wrote: > I have been on my Cpap about a month and have noticed a few things: > At the beginning of a session I feel the air  pressure of the machine. > When I later awake, either naturally or by whatever event that keeps > me grouchy, the air pressure seems absent or reduced.  Is this from me > getting conditioned/used to it after a bit or could my new machine be > bad? > Does anyone ever smell a faint burnt hair like odor when you remove > your mask after a session? > Maske seems quiet in the beginning and gets louder throughout the > session.  That my just be my hearing becoming more sensitive during > the night. > I like my machine.  It’s simple to use and has the nifty feature of > never needing to be switched on.  I just mouth breath while I get the > mask fitted, get comfy (as possible) and switch to nose breathing. > The machine senses this and starts right up.  Of course this may be > normal for all machines. > Overall.  I have not noticed any benefit from Cpap and it does not > seem to help with my exhale obstruction any.  I feel I am going to > have to consult with an ENT to better check for another physical > problem. > Ed

You get used to it.  One of my female friends got it.  We used to share an apartment and she tried using my CPAP one day cause she wanted to know me more.  She put it on and freaked out, now she has one herself and she noticed the same thing.  She got used to it.  I have had it for about 15 years or so I think.

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>>I like my machine.  It’s simple to use and has the nifty feature of >>never needing to be switched on.  I just mouth breath while I get the >>mask fitted, get comfy (as possible) and switch to nose breathing. >>The machine senses this and starts right up.  Of course this may be >>normal for all machines. > It’s normal for all newer machines. You don’t mention what kind > of machine you use. That would help people answer you better.

no, it’s not normal for all newer machines – only some brands do this

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It is normal.  When I first started mine about 3.5 years ago the pressure was so high I didn’t notice the effect, but, after a cervical corpectomy (loosened up my spinal cord at C3-C6, it was severly pinched) pressure was reduced to 16/10 and then I began to notice this effect. Butch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Grebbler wrote: >I have been on my Cpap about a month and have noticed a few things: >At the beginning of a session I feel the air  pressure of the machine. >When I later awake, either naturally or by whatever event that keeps >me grouchy, the air pressure seems absent or reduced.  Is this from me >getting conditioned/used to it after a bit or could my new machine be >bad? >Does anyone ever smell a faint burnt hair like odor when you remove >your mask after a session? >Maske seems quiet in the beginning and gets louder throughout the >session.  That my just be my hearing becoming more sensitive during >the night. >I like my machine.  It’s simple to use and has the nifty feature of >never needing to be switched on.  I just mouth breath while I get the >mask fitted, get comfy (as possible) and switch to nose breathing. >The machine senses this and starts right up.  Of course this may be >normal for all machines. >Overall.  I have not noticed any benefit from Cpap and it does not >seem to help with my exhale obstruction any.  I feel I am going to >have to consult with an ENT to better check for another physical >problem. >Ed

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"Grebbler" <grebbler-wantsnosp…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:i9k9711h921t7j4du9glbr9pochn9tv6as@4ax.com… >I have been on my Cpap about a month and have noticed a few things: > At the beginning of a session I feel the air  pressure of the machine. > When I later awake, either naturally or by whatever event that keeps > me grouchy, the air pressure seems absent or reduced.  Is this from me > getting conditioned/used to it after a bit or could my new machine be > bad?

You do get used to it.  after 2 years of use, I no longer sense the pressure at all, even immediately after I put the machine on.  One way to test the machine is to open your mouth.  If is is working, you will feel the air rushing out.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wayne wrote: > "Grebbler" <grebbler-wantsnosp…@yahoo.com> wrote in > message news:i9k9711h921t7j4du9glbr9pochn9tv6as@4ax.com… >> I have been on my Cpap about a month and have noticed a >> few things: >> At the beginning of a session I feel the air  pressure >> of the machine. When I later awake, either naturally or >> by whatever event that keeps me grouchy, the air >> pressure seems absent or reduced.  Is this from me >> getting conditioned/used to it after a bit or could my >> new machine be bad? > You do get used to it.  after 2 years of use, I no longer > sense the pressure at all, even immediately after I put > the machine on.  One way to test the machine is to open > your mouth.  If is is working, you will feel the air > rushing out.

I went through a period of about a month or two where I would feel the pressure when going to bed and upon awakening in the morning there was a total absence of the sensation.  The feeling was the same as being awake without the mask. I figured there had to be something wong with my machine. "Maybe there is something wrong where it reduces pressure after warming up for a while?". Bothered me so much I tested it with a home made manometer one morning… it was spot on. Now it feels fine when I go to sleep and the same when I awake. -Quick

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On 2005-04-28, Laureen <TheBenne…@olypen.com> wrote: > Generally for any surgery they dont want to do you if you have a high > fever. I cant tell you how many tonsil and adenoidectomies we did on > kids that had runny noses and ear infections. I got the sniffles right > before my gastric bypass and worried they would cancel but the doc told > me only if my fever was above 101. If you’re real sick call the doc > tomorrow maybe antibitoics over the weekend are warranted. > Best Wishes, Laureen

Not sick right now. Just curious. I’m (since I have apnea and a messed-up   nose) prone to getting sick. So I was wondering what they’d do if I came down with the sniffles. Preston

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:40:43 -0500, in alt.support.sleep-disorder Preston – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Crawford <m…@prestoncrawford.com> wrote: >On 2005-04-28, Laureen <TheBenne…@olypen.com> wrote: >> Generally for any surgery they dont want to do you if you have a high >> fever. I cant tell you how many tonsil and adenoidectomies we did on >> kids that had runny noses and ear infections. I got the sniffles right >> before my gastric bypass and worried they would cancel but the doc told >> me only if my fever was above 101. If you’re real sick call the doc >> tomorrow maybe antibitoics over the weekend are warranted. >> Best Wishes, Laureen >Not sick right now. Just curious. I’m (since I have apnea and a messed-up   >nose) prone to getting sick. So I was wondering what they’d do if I came >down with the sniffles. >Preston

Don’t tell them.

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On 2005-04-28, PHC <OONYUTHGS…@spammotel.com> wrote: > On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:33:49 -0500, Preston Crawford <m…@prestoncrawford.com> > wrotg: >>My directions say the surgery can’t be done if you’re sick. That scares >>me. I really need this surgery done. Do I have to walk around in a bubble >>until Monday? Or what does this mean exactly? Severely sick? Mildly sick? >>Preston > I was sick as a dog with a massive sinus infection when they did mine. Which was > the main reason I had it done in the first place.

It’s good to hear what this means. I’d hate to have to keep rescheduling this (those of us with apnea, well at least I, tend to get sick often, I think). Preston

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My directions say the surgery can’t be done if you’re sick. That scares me. I really need this surgery done. Do I have to walk around in a bubble until Monday? Or what does this mean exactly? Severely sick? Mildly sick? Preston

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:33:49 -0500, Preston Crawford <m…@prestoncrawford.com> wrotg: >My directions say the surgery can’t be done if you’re sick. That scares >me. I really need this surgery done. Do I have to walk around in a bubble >until Monday? Or what does this mean exactly? Severely sick? Mildly sick? >Preston

I was sick as a dog with a massive sinus infection when they did mine. Which was the main reason I had it done in the first place.

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Generally for any surgery they dont want to do you if you have a high fever. I cant tell you how many tonsil and adenoidectomies we did on kids that had runny noses and ear infections. I got the sniffles right before my gastric bypass and worried they would cancel but the doc told me only if my fever was above 101. If you’re real sick call the doc tomorrow maybe antibitoics over the weekend are warranted. Best Wishes, Laureen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Preston Crawford wrote: > My directions say the surgery can’t be done if you’re sick. That scares > me. I really need this surgery done. Do I have to walk around in a bubble > until Monday? Or what does this mean exactly? Severely sick? Mildly sick? > Preston

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Sorry, I didn’t intend the post quoted below to be so "in your face." I hit the wrong button and it "escaped" before editing…Jim "none" <n…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:m1qs71lnpc0c66vc53026qlfvip78cac9h@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sun, 08 May 2005 02:37:32 GMT, "Jim Nugent" <njim2k-n…@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >"Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > >news:426c019d@news.usenetzone.com… > >> good advice……… make that bring a LONG, > >> multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t > >> necessarily have the 3rd prong on it…………. > >> (but will accept a 3 prong plug in) > >This is bad advice. Defeating the grounding is dangerous. Easier and safer > >to get an adapter that goes from 3 to 2 and has a little wire that connects > >to the center screw of the outlet (which is almost always grounded). > for a CPAP that is not grounded?…

No, not for a CPAP that doesn’t require grounding. But in that case, there would be no need for "but will accept a 3 prong plug in," as stated above. All I am saying is that if an extension cord "accepts a 3 prong plug in," it needs to carry that conductor to a 3rd prong on its own plug. If there is a need to connect to an outlet that has no third prong, use an adapter at the outlet as I explained. I note that my AutoSet Spirit has no third prong. It is double-insulated and thus deemed to be safe without one.  It does, however have a polarized plug. I.e. One prong is a little wider than the other and you can only plug it in one way: you can’t reverse the prongs. That’s because it’s designed to have the hot and neutral potentials where it expects them. All modern receptacles have one slot wider, and the Electrical Code (U.S. anyway) requires the hot wire to be connected to the narrower slot and neutral to the wider one. I’ve forgotten how the 3 – 2 prong adapter solves this problem or if it allows connection to older non-polarized receptacles (that allow you to plug something in either way). I just checked and I couldn’t find one to look at. Maybe I’ll go to the hardware store and pick one up. I should have one around I guess. I’ll post what I learn. — Jim "Be right back… Godot"

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On Sun, 08 May 2005 02:37:32 GMT, "Jim Nugent" <njim2k-n…@yahoo.com> wrote: >"Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message >news:426c019d@news.usenetzone.com… >> good advice……… make that bring a LONG, >> multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t >> necessarily have the 3rd prong on it…………. >> (but will accept a 3 prong plug in) >This is bad advice. Defeating the grounding is dangerous. Easier and safer >to get an adapter that goes from 3 to 2 and has a little wire that connects >to the center screw of the outlet (which is almost always grounded).

for a CPAP that is not grounded?…

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Mike Dobony wrote: > 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched or constant. > 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension cord.

Good advice, Mike.  I’ve been traveling with a multi-outlet extension cord that remains resident in my CPAP bag. If I may add one more bit of advice, it would be to get a surge-protector extension cord.  It might just keep the electronics in your CPAP from frying. Pleasant dreams. Bill Sullivan "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." – Benjamin Franklin

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"Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:426c019d@news.usenetzone.com… > good advice……… make that bring a LONG, > multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t > necessarily have the 3rd prong on it…………. > (but will accept a 3 prong plug in)

This is bad advice. Defeating the grounding is dangerous. Easier and safer to get an adapter that goes from 3 to 2 and has a little wire that connects to the center screw of the outlet (which is almost always grounded).

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Tiger Lily <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:426c14b5$1@news.usenetzone.com… > my problem at the hotel was that they ONLY had 2 > prong plug in,,,,,,,,,, no 3 prong plug ins > i modified my extension cord by removing the 3rd > plug on the cord………….. sigh

Like my earlier post on using a "cube tap"— I carry a 3 prong version and a 2 prong version, They are very compact, each one is only about an inch in each side dimension. A good hardware store with an electrical section will surely have them. Best— Ron  open account — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 – Release Date: 2/14/05

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my problem has been that my THREE prong CPAP cord has to be plugged into a TWO prong electrical plug in that doesn’t work too well unless you get fancy and disconnect the 3rd prong on the extension cord (i would never do that to the CPAP cord) "Ron G" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message

news:d4mf8g0lb5@news4.newsguy.com… > Tiger Lily <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > news:426c14b5$1@news.usenetzone.com… > > my problem at the hotel was that they ONLY had 2 > > prong plug in,,,,,,,,,, no 3 prong plug ins > > i modified my extension cord by removing the 3rd > > plug on the cord………….. sigh > Like my earlier post on using a "cube tap"— > I carry a 3 prong version and a 2 prong version,

They are very compact, each > one is only about an inch in each side dimension. > A good hardware store with an electrical section

will surely have them. > Best— > Ron >  open account > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system

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Another option – especially since most motels will provide an extension cord if you ask – is a combination extension/surge supressor. I travel with a surge supressor which has a 6 ft cord and 6 outlets. On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:21:46 -0600, "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->good advice……… make that bring a LONG, >multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t >necessarily have the 3rd prong on it…………. >(but will accept a 3 prong plug in) >"Mike Dobony" <sw…@asarian-hostspamnot.net> >wrote in message >news:d4gua6$g8p$1@news.netins.net… >> My wife and I went to a two day marriage seminar >and decided to take a motel >> that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a log >cabin motif.  I hooked up >> the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit the >heat button.  I turned out >> the lights and we decided to not go to sleep >right away.  Before going to >> sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The power >was still out when we went >> to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the >power came back on (the night >> lite came on), but the CPAP was dead.  GREAT! >The outage blew my CPAP! >> Since my supplier was in town I figured I would >have to put in an emergency >> call after the seminar was finished at about >12:30. >> We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on the >lights.  BEEP.  What was >> that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only available >outlet near the bed was >> SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the >clock-radio plugged into it. >> No dead CPAP and struggled through the day. >Needless to say, we went to bed >> early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t do >all that we planned to do >> together when we got home.  Need some good sleep >first. >> Lessons learned in travel >> 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched or >constant. >> 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension cord. >> — >> Mike D. >> www.stopassaultnow.net >> Remove .spamnot to respond by email >_________________________________________ >Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server >More than 120,000 groups >Unlimited download >http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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Hi— I take a "triple outlet" which is a short cube shaped plug and it has 3 outlets. It seems that both of the outlets by the bed are used all the time, one for the lamp, the other for the clock radio. This way I can use the "cube tap" right at the outlet, and have my BiPap (and) the bedside light be functional and working. Best— Ron Tiger Lily <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:426c019d@news.usenetzone.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> good advice……… make that bring a LONG, > multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t > necessarily have the 3rd prong on it…………. > (but will accept a 3 prong plug in) > "Mike Dobony" <sw…@asarian-hostspamnot.net> > wrote in message > news:d4gua6$g8p$1@news.netins.net… > > My wife and I went to a two day marriage seminar > and decided to take a motel > > that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a log > cabin motif.  I hooked up > > the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit the > heat button.  I turned out > > the lights and we decided to not go to sleep > right away.  Before going to > > sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The power > was still out when we went > > to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the > power came back on (the night > > lite came on), but the CPAP was dead.  GREAT! > The outage blew my CPAP! > > Since my supplier was in town I figured I would > have to put in an emergency > > call after the seminar was finished at about > 12:30. > > We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on the > lights.  BEEP.  What was > > that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only available > outlet near the bed was > > SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the > clock-radio plugged into it. > > No dead CPAP and struggled through the day. > Needless to say, we went to bed > > early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t do > all that we planned to do > > together when we got home.  Need some good sleep > first. > > Lessons learned in travel > > 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched or > constant. > > 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension cord. > > — > > Mike D. > > www.stopassaultnow.net > > Remove .spamnot to respond by email > _________________________________________ > Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > More than 120,000 groups > Unlimited download > http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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"ronlin" <ron…@verizon.net> wrote in message

news:n2ebe.7600$O2.5849@trndny04… > I carry a 15 foot extension, because I have found a couple motels with > no outlet near the bed. The only outlets were on the other side of the > room near the TV,

OUCH!  Not even for a clock-radio? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mike Dobony wrote: > > My wife and I went to a two day marriage seminar and decided to take a motel > > that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a log cabin motif.  I hooked up > > the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit the heat button.  I turned out > > the lights and we decided to not go to sleep right away.  Before going to > > sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The power was still out when we went > > to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the power came back on (the night > > lite came on), but the CPAP was dead.  GREAT!  The outage blew my CPAP! > > Since my supplier was in town I figured I would have to put in an emergency > > call after the seminar was finished at about 12:30. > > We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on the lights.  BEEP.  What was > > that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only available outlet near the bed was > > SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the clock-radio plugged into it. > > No dead CPAP and struggled through the day.  Needless to say, we went to bed > > early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t do all that we planned to do > > together when we got home.  Need some good sleep first. > > Lessons learned in travel > > 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched or constant. > > 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension cord.

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I carry a 15 foot extension, because I have found a couple motels with no outlet near the bed. The only outlets were on the other side of the room near the TV, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mike Dobony wrote: > My wife and I went to a two day marriage seminar and decided to take a motel > that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a log cabin motif.  I hooked up > the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit the heat button.  I turned out > the lights and we decided to not go to sleep right away.  Before going to > sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The power was still out when we went > to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the power came back on (the night > lite came on), but the CPAP was dead.  GREAT!  The outage blew my CPAP! > Since my supplier was in town I figured I would have to put in an emergency > call after the seminar was finished at about 12:30. > We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on the lights.  BEEP.  What was > that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only available outlet near the bed was > SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the clock-radio plugged into it. > No dead CPAP and struggled through the day.  Needless to say, we went to bed > early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t do all that we planned to do > together when we got home.  Need some good sleep first. > Lessons learned in travel > 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched or constant. > 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension cord.

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:07:36 -0500, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "Mike Dobony" <sw…@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote: >REAT!  The outage blew my CPAP!

OH well time to go on a diet then.

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Tiger Lily, would you mind contacting me by email at the address below, please? I have a question to ask about something. weinberg -at- blueyonder.co.uk M.Weinberg

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will have to look for one of those…. meanwhile i have my "adapted" 3 prong extension cord…….. "eric pearson" <nono.ericp.n…@nonono.fuse.net> wrote in message news:ahdo61hm29paqsfl93jc1l0nv84e5o8hi9@4ax.com… > Carry a three-to-two adapter. > That’s what OFs did before three-prong > wiring became common. While you are at it, report > the motel to the local authorities. Many

jurisdictions require > modern wiring for ‘inns’. > regards, > eric pearson > nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net > On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:43:22 -0600, "Tiger Lily"

<m…@privacy.com> > wrote: > >my problem at the hotel was that they ONLY had 2 > >prong plug in,,,,,,,,,, no 3 prong plug ins > >i modified my extension cord by removing the 3rd > >plug on the cord………….. sigh > >"eric pearson"

<nono.ericp.n…@nonono.fuse.net> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >wrote in message >news:hi3o61dtm1uuelmef0rputniptdfoovegp@4ax.com.. . > >> Another option – especially since most motels > >will provide an > >> extension cord if you ask – is a combination > >extension/surge > >> supressor. I travel with a surge supressor which > >has a 6 ft cord and > >> 6 outlets. > >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:21:46 -0600, "Tiger Lily" > ><m…@privacy.com> > >> wrote: > >> >good advice……… make that bring a LONG, > >> >multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t > >> >necessarily have the 3rd prong on > >it…………. > >> >(but will accept a 3 prong plug in) > >> >"Mike Dobony"

<sw…@asarian-hostspamnot.net> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >wrote in message > >> >news:d4gua6$g8p$1@news.netins.net… > >> >> My wife and I went to a two day marriage > >seminar > >> >and decided to take a motel > >> >> that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a > >log > >> >cabin motif.  I hooked up > >> >> the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit > >the > >> >heat button.  I turned out > >> >> the lights and we decided to not go to sleep > >> >right away.  Before going to > >> >> sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The > >power > >> >was still out when we went > >> >> to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the > >> >power came back on (the night > >> >> lite came on), but the CPAP was dead. GREAT! > >> >The outage blew my CPAP! > >> >> Since my supplier was in town I figured I > >would > >> >have to put in an emergency > >> >> call after the seminar was finished at about > >> >12:30. > >> >> We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on > >the > >> >lights.  BEEP.  What was > >> >> that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only > >available > >> >outlet near the bed was > >> >> SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the > >> >clock-radio plugged into it. > >> >> No dead CPAP and struggled through the day. > >> >Needless to say, we went to bed > >> >> early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t > >do > >> >all that we planned to do > >> >> together when we got home.  Need some good > >sleep > >> >first. > >> >> Lessons learned in travel > >> >> 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched > >or > >> >constant. > >> >> 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension > >cord. > >> >> — > >> >> Mike D. > >> >> www.stopassaultnow.net > >> >> Remove .spamnot to respond by email > >> >_________________________________________ > >> >Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > >> >More than 120,000 groups > >> >Unlimited download > >> >http://www.usenetzone.com to open account > >> regards, > >> eric pearson > >> nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net > >_________________________________________ > >Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > >More than 120,000 groups > >Unlimited download > >http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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Carry a three-to-two adapter. That’s what OFs did before three-prong wiring became common. While you are at it, report the motel to the local authorities. Many jurisdictions require modern wiring for ‘inns’. regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:43:22 -0600, "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->my problem at the hotel was that they ONLY had 2 >prong plug in,,,,,,,,,, no 3 prong plug ins >i modified my extension cord by removing the 3rd >plug on the cord………….. sigh >"eric pearson" <nono.ericp.n…@nonono.fuse.net> >wrote in message >news:hi3o61dtm1uuelmef0rputniptdfoovegp@4ax.com… >> Another option – especially since most motels >will provide an >> extension cord if you ask – is a combination >extension/surge >> supressor. I travel with a surge supressor which >has a 6 ft cord and >> 6 outlets. >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:21:46 -0600, "Tiger Lily" ><m…@privacy.com> >> wrote: >> >good advice……… make that bring a LONG, >> >multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t >> >necessarily have the 3rd prong on >it…………. >> >(but will accept a 3 prong plug in) >> >"Mike Dobony" <sw…@asarian-hostspamnot.net> >> >wrote in message >> >news:d4gua6$g8p$1@news.netins.net… >> >> My wife and I went to a two day marriage >seminar >> >and decided to take a motel >> >> that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a >log >> >cabin motif.  I hooked up >> >> the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit >the >> >heat button.  I turned out >> >> the lights and we decided to not go to sleep >> >right away.  Before going to >> >> sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The >power >> >was still out when we went >> >> to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the >> >power came back on (the night >> >> lite came on), but the CPAP was dead.  GREAT! >> >The outage blew my CPAP! >> >> Since my supplier was in town I figured I >would >> >have to put in an emergency >> >> call after the seminar was finished at about >> >12:30. >> >> We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on >the >> >lights.  BEEP.  What was >> >> that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only >available >> >outlet near the bed was >> >> SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the >> >clock-radio plugged into it. >> >> No dead CPAP and struggled through the day. >> >Needless to say, we went to bed >> >> early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t >do >> >all that we planned to do >> >> together when we got home.  Need some good >sleep >> >first. >> >> Lessons learned in travel >> >> 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched >or >> >constant. >> >> 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension >cord. >> >> — >> >> Mike D. >> >> www.stopassaultnow.net >> >> Remove .spamnot to respond by email >> >_________________________________________ >> >Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server >> >More than 120,000 groups >> >Unlimited download >> >http://www.usenetzone.com to open account >> regards, >> eric pearson >> nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net >_________________________________________ >Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server >More than 120,000 groups >Unlimited download >http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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my problem at the hotel was that they ONLY had 2 prong plug in,,,,,,,,,, no 3 prong plug ins i modified my extension cord by removing the 3rd plug on the cord………….. sigh "eric pearson" <nono.ericp.n…@nonono.fuse.net> wrote in message news:hi3o61dtm1uuelmef0rputniptdfoovegp@4ax.com… > Another option – especially since most motels will provide an > extension cord if you ask – is a combination extension/surge > supressor. I travel with a surge supressor which has a 6 ft cord and > 6 outlets. > On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:21:46 -0600, "Tiger Lily"

<m…@privacy.com> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> wrote: > >good advice……… make that bring a LONG, > >multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t > >necessarily have the 3rd prong on it…………. > >(but will accept a 3 prong plug in) > >"Mike Dobony" <sw…@asarian-hostspamnot.net> > >wrote in message > >news:d4gua6$g8p$1@news.netins.net… > >> My wife and I went to a two day marriage seminar > >and decided to take a motel > >> that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a log > >cabin motif.  I hooked up > >> the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit the > >heat button.  I turned out > >> the lights and we decided to not go to sleep > >right away.  Before going to > >> sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The power > >was still out when we went > >> to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the > >power came back on (the night > >> lite came on), but the CPAP was dead.  GREAT! > >The outage blew my CPAP! > >> Since my supplier was in town I figured I would > >have to put in an emergency > >> call after the seminar was finished at about > >12:30. > >> We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on the > >lights.  BEEP.  What was > >> that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only available > >outlet near the bed was > >> SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the > >clock-radio plugged into it. > >> No dead CPAP and struggled through the day. > >Needless to say, we went to bed > >> early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t do > >all that we planned to do > >> together when we got home.  Need some good sleep > >first. > >> Lessons learned in travel > >> 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched or > >constant. > >> 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension cord. > >> — > >> Mike D. > >> www.stopassaultnow.net > >> Remove .spamnot to respond by email > >_________________________________________ > >Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > >More than 120,000 groups > >Unlimited download > >http://www.usenetzone.com to open account > regards, > eric pearson > nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net

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good advice……… make that bring a LONG, multi-outlet extension cord that doesn’t necessarily have the 3rd prong on it…………. (but will accept a 3 prong plug in) "Mike Dobony" <sw…@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote in message news:d4gua6$g8p$1@news.netins.net… > My wife and I went to a two day marriage seminar

and decided to take a motel > that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a log

cabin motif.  I hooked up > the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit the

heat button.  I turned out > the lights and we decided to not go to sleep

right away.  Before going to > sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The power

was still out when we went > to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the

power came back on (the night > lite came on), but the CPAP was dead.  GREAT!

The outage blew my CPAP! > Since my supplier was in town I figured I would

have to put in an emergency > call after the seminar was finished at about 12:30. > We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on the

lights.  BEEP.  What was > that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only available

outlet near the bed was > SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the

clock-radio plugged into it. > No dead CPAP and struggled through the day.

Needless to say, we went to bed > early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t do

all that we planned to do – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> together when we got home.  Need some good sleep first. > Lessons learned in travel > 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched or constant. > 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension cord. > — > Mike D. > www.stopassaultnow.net > Remove .spamnot to respond by email

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My wife and I went to a two day marriage seminar and decided to take a motel that night.  It was a non-chain motel with a log cabin motif.  I hooked up the CPAP and filled the humidifier and hit the heat button.  I turned out the lights and we decided to not go to sleep right away.  Before going to sleep the power went out, about 11pm.  The power was still out when we went to sleep, so no CPAP.  At about 1:40 am the power came back on (the night lite came on), but the CPAP was dead.  GREAT!  The outage blew my CPAP! Since my supplier was in town I figured I would have to put in an emergency call after the seminar was finished at about 12:30. We got up at about 6am and my wife turned on the lights.  BEEP.  What was that?  My CPAP came to life!  The only available outlet near the bed was SWITCHED!  The only unswitched outlet had the clock-radio plugged into it. No dead CPAP and struggled through the day.  Needless to say, we went to bed early Saturday, long before normal and didn’t do all that we planned to do together when we got home.  Need some good sleep first. Lessons learned in travel 1. TEST the outlet to see if it is switched or constant. 2. Bring a short, multi-outlet extension cord. — Mike D. www.stopassaultnow.net Remove .spamnot to respond by email

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On 24 Apr 2005 11:06:56 -0700, i_hate_h…@hotmail.com (The Voice of Reason) Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Path: news1.central.cox.net!central.cox.net!west.cox.net!filt01.west.cox.net!peer 01.west.cox.net!cox.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!not-for-mail >From: i_hate_h…@hotmail.com (The Voice of Reason) >Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.health.diabetes,alt.support.sleep-disorder, soc.singles >Subject: Obesity is a disease >Date: 24 Apr 2005 11:06:56 -0700 >Organization: http://groups.google.com >Lines: 1 >Message-ID: <87bbd508.0504241006.51995…@posting.google.com> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.69.54.169 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >X-Trace: posting.google.com 1114366017 10376 127.0.0.1 (24 Apr 2005 18:06:57 GMT) >X-Complaints-To: groups-ab…@google.com >NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:06:57 +0000 (UTC) >Xref: cox.net soc.support.fat-acceptance:304753 misc.health.diabetes:295858 alt.support.sleep-disorder:205984 soc.singles:565659 >X-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:06:57 EDT (news1.central.cox.net) >In the sense that people like me are a cancer on society. And they smell of shit.

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In the sense that fat people are a cancer on society. And they smell of shit.

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>I need help choosing a full face mask. I am over weight but at the same >time > was told i had a small nose area , therefore I had to go to a nasal > system. > My insurance is paying for a new mask and I want to get a FF to see if it > makes any difference as I think I am mouthbreathing. I have tried a chin > strap in the past but it didnt do any good.Thank you for any help.

you need to find out if there’s any way your supplier will let you try out a few masks before buying – you could be one of the lucky ones that gets that option (though more likely not from what I understand).  Unfortunately, because everybody’s face is different, the same mask won’t work for different people – it’s really a very individual thing and what works perfectly for one person could be a nightmare for another. I think the fisher & paykel full face mask comes with two size silicon parts which means that for the price of one mask you get two options to try — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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I need help choosing a full face mask. I am over weight but at the same time was told i had a small nose area , therefore I had to go to a nasal system. My insurance is paying for a new mask and I want to get a FF to see if it makes any difference as I think I am mouthbreathing. I have tried a chin strap in the past but it didnt do any good.Thank you for any help. piper

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"PIPER" <le…@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:YVw9e.9500$An2.5619@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… >I need help choosing a full face mask. I am over weight but at the same time > was told i had a small nose area , therefore I had to go to a nasal system. > My insurance is paying for a new mask and I want to get a FF to see if it > makes any difference as I think I am mouthbreathing. I have tried a chin > strap in the past but it didnt do any good.Thank you for any help. > piper

Unfortunately, it is hard to recommend specific solutions, since everyone is different – and so are the masks. In my experience, though, with the "medium" ResMed Activa and Respironics Comfort Select, I needed "large" in the RM FF Ultra Mirage and R FF Comfort Select (and even so, the masks did not make it easy to breathe through my mouth so they did keep me from mouth breathing…;-). Of the two, the RM fit *me* better – the R leaked just under the lower straps unless I blew out my cheeks. With all masks, I’ve (*almost*) gotten used to "rescrunching" the things against the pillow to seal leaks when I wake up with them… — —  David Ruether  r…@cornell.edu  http://www.ferrario.com/ruether

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Oh how right you are!  Everbody who posts from alt.net is really Kate Horton. On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:22:56 -0600, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "Tiger Lily" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<m…@privacy.com> wrote: >lol >ok Kate Horton >nice hidden post this time >keep on >"john smith" <some…@nowhere.com> wrote in >message >news:1114044199.96d41b91a5c2a3ebe8f0f7165b4cb24b@teranews… >> "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message >> news:3co1bcF6ndoieU1@individual.net… >> > Shawnie posts from Altopia >> hundreds of thousands of people do, including >you ! >> > our resident multi personality troll >> Good of you to sign off Kate Horton AKA Tiger >Lily AKA goodness knows what >> else. >> We already know you are our resident multi >personality troll .

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lol ok Shawnie nice hidden post this time keep on "john smith" <some…@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:1114044199.96d41b91a5c2a3ebe8f0f7165b4cb24b@teranews… > "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > news:3co1bcF6ndoieU1@individual.net… > > Shawnie posts from Altopia > hundreds of thousands of people do, including you ! > > our resident multi personality troll > Good of you to sign off Kate Horton AKA Tiger

Lily AKA goodness knows what – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> else. > We already know you are our resident multi personality troll .

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"Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:3co1bcF6ndoieU1@individual.net… > Shawnie posts from Altopia

hundreds of thousands of people do, including you ! > our resident multi personality troll

Good of you to sign off Kate Horton AKA Tiger Lily AKA goodness knows what else. We already know you are our resident multi personality troll .

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Anyone else notice that all the fat posts seem to come from the same location: From: deathaftermidni…@sleepapneagluttons.com Newsgroups: soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.health.diabetes,alt.troll,alt.support.sleep -disorder Subject: Obesity: Bad For Men, Women and Kids Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:39:51 -0700 Organization: Altopia Corp. – Usenet Access – www.altopia.com Lines: 119 Message-ID: <p3ra611phakbq98mtccg666na7muakdufj@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Path: spool9-west!propagator2-lax.newsfeeds.com!news-in.spamkiller.net!news.alt.n et!usenet Xref: 127.0.0.1 soc.support.fat-acceptance:213776 misc.health.diabetes:264001 alt.troll:135359 Notice that an anymous remailer isn’t used they originate from altopia.com I’m more convinced than ever it is a 16 year old kid who weighs 500+ pounds.

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Shawnie posts from Altopia our resident multi personality troll "DW" <DrWoodardO…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1114026512.542411.204890@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com… > Anyone else notice that all the fat posts seem to > come from the same location: > From: deathaftermidni…@sleepapneagluttons.com > Newsgroups:

soc.support.fat-acceptance,misc.health.diabetes,al t.troll,alt.support.sleep-disorder > Subject: Obesity: Bad For Men, Women and Kids > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:39:51 -0700 > Organization: Altopia Corp. – Usenet Access – www.altopia.com > Lines: 119 > Message-ID:

<p3ra611phakbq98mtccg666na7muakd…@4ax.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) > Path:

spool9-west!propagator2-lax.newsfeeds.com!news-in. spamkiller.net!news.alt.net!usenet > Xref: 127.0.0.1

soc.support.fat-acceptance:213776 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> misc.health.diabetes:264001 alt.troll:135359 > Notice that an anymous remailer isn’t used they originate from > altopia.com > I’m more convinced than ever it is a 16 year old kid who > weighs 500+ pounds.

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TAL aka Elizebeth has been sucking off they system since the day she turned 18. She is a hypochondriac at best and an out and out fraud at worst. On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 07:40:17 +1000, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "T – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwinkle" <h…@on.help.is.on.the.way> wrote: >YOU are the last person ANYONE should be taking advice from. I am NOT >spamming the newsgroup. YOU don’t own ANY newsgroup and your lack of >knowledge on what goes on for Govt aid for people who need it in Australia >is not only appalling, it is on the verge of dangerous if people believe >you. >Time for you to LEARN and stop with your "advice". No doubt you wont take >that challenge as you constantly say you know what you are talking about and >of course THAT makes you right, doesn’t it? >"Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:4262769c@news.usenetzone.com… >> you’re the last person i’d ever take political advice from >> stop spamming the newsgroup >> — >> Beth in Australia >> ————————– >> Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not >> a medically trained professional >> FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here >> http://talhost.net/sleep >> Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm >> this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles >> _________________________________________ >> Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server >> More than 120,000 groups >> Unlimited download >> http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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you’re the last person i’d ever take political advice from stop spamming the newsgroup — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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YOU are the last person ANYONE should be taking advice from. I am NOT spamming the newsgroup. YOU don’t own ANY newsgroup and your lack of knowledge on what goes on for Govt aid for people who need it in Australia is not only appalling, it is on the verge of dangerous if people believe you. Time for you to LEARN and stop with your "advice". No doubt you wont take that challenge as you constantly say you know what you are talking about and of course THAT makes you right, doesn’t it? "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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Found this posted a short time ago in another newsgroup. Post it to every Australian you know if you agree. If you don’t, I guess ignoring this post of mine will do. On 1/7/2005, the Libs will have complete control of both houses of Parliament, not having to make deals with anyone to do what they want to do – that is supposing no Lib breaks out in a case of conscience (admittedly a far fetched Idea but possible in an alternate reality sort of way) and crosses the floor – and we know what that means. There are two solutions for everyday Australians from right now up until the next election: 1) Do a Ghandi and start civil disobedience peacefully. You don’t have the right to do this of course. The only constitutional right you have in this country is to criticise politicians, no kidding. However, you may think this is a good thing to do. Without a purpose behind it, then likely it isn’t a good idea. Your purpose would be to bring light to the LIES the Libs have told pre-election in order to get in again no doubt. Stopping honest wage earning Aussies from earning their money is not the way to do that and there is no way you can lawfully stop the execution of Govt in this country if you aren’t the Governor General. 2) Remember what has happened and use it as a sledgehammer come next Fed election. Don’t let the bastards get away with it. Show your disgust at the bald-faced LIES they told to win Govt and do NOT vote for them nor cast a vote that would ultimately end up in preferences shed their way. I know it takes a lot to fill in voting forms to throw preferences the way YOU want but start getting used to writing numbers next to each name. Remember each name and try to remember their affiliation. This is our only chance to kill the bastards’ chance of getting in again next election. One thing I hear in the back of your minds – you don’t like the idea of chucking a Ghandi and you want revenge NOW not wait around till next election so you don’t like those options above. What can you do? Here’s a thought: Organise a charity run – I kid you not – for around the houses of Parliament in Canberra only. Get as many people as you can who are fit enough to do the run even if only for a short time and have us run in circles while at the same time raising money for charities. Why? The Govt wont help the needy out and they are making it harder for them to live and wont give them the right to legally die humanely. So, we have to help. This "charity run" though, doesn’t stop until the next election day. If we can get thousands running in circles around the Parliament buildings (new and old) then we can show what it really means – that we are ALL running in circles, chasing our tails to try and live and the Govt keeps us doing JUST that but there are people who need us who are hard done by to help THEM. Maybe it’s time to start doing a Ghandi in the only way that can NOT be seen to be against the law. Run in circles in Canberra. Graphically demonstrate that this is what the Govt is doing to us. Force the issue. MAKE them take notice and hopefully get enough people with voting rights in Parliament to repeatedly – as the law allows – raise "NO CONFIDENCE" in the PM, his Govt and his outright LIES! Eventually we may have enough people to make ends meet and this, too, will demonstrate another fact – that we are running in circles to make ends meet because of the lies they tell but WE think of those who need more help than we do even if the GOVT sees them as just a burden! If you feel you may be interested in this, I can be emailed at (and this is a real email address) bonk…@idiot.com.au where we can get things together. Why that email address? I didn’t want to give out my real one and I feel like an idiot for living under yet ANOTHER Howard Govt and it IS driving me BONKERS!!

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