Getting 'Wiped" on AutoSet (heated humidifier?)
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Things seem to be getting worse lately in that I can’t stay asleep long hooked up to my AutoSet-T. I wake up every hour and usually after the 2nd time I can’t get back and abandon the thing. A recent thread on the same topic suggested that a heated humidifier might help. Not sure if this is the problem or a solution, but am willing to try anything. The heated humidifier on the ResMed site looks big and expensive. Does anybody: Know how expensive it is? Know if there is a way try it first before buying? Use it or a different kind that would work with the AutoSet-T? Still using my old phantom mask. Got it adjusted real tight but it still does not cause pressure sores (unlike the Mirage) [Ms. Tiger Lilly still suggests I make the Mirage looser, but making it looser just makes it leak.] According to the AutoScan report, the phantom mask does not leak at all..I mean the graph looks totally flat at 0 leak! This never occurs with the Mirage. Apnea AHI stats look reall good too (consistently under 5) (Bye the way, I’m changing my post name to a name my father-in-law coined for me..NB (Nasty Bastard!) There are just too many BKs out there to compete with. NB
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‘adusted real tight’ is a good way to prevent sleep. leak readings may be wrong for your mask. do you tell the software it is standard, mirage, or ultra? what is your pressure? at perhaps 4-8cm humid is often just a status item. at 8 to perhaps 12-14cm passover is usually fine. at 15+, heated is usually required. the heated Humidaire can be bought new online for about $300-350. I bought mine used(but in great shape) at an online auction for $150. Yes, it is big. As is the AutoSet-T. When I travel I use a passover OASIS and a lighter CPAP (AutosetT at home, Sullivan 5 travel). regards, eric pearson db2e…@nospammindspring.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:29:47 GMT, dmeg…@acpub.duke.edu (NB) wrote: >Things seem to be getting worse lately in that I can’t stay asleep >long hooked up to my AutoSet-T. I wake up every hour and usually after >the 2nd time I can’t get back and abandon the thing. >A recent thread on the same topic suggested that a heated humidifier >might help. Not sure if this is the problem or a solution, but am >willing to try anything. >The heated humidifier on the ResMed site looks big and expensive. >Does anybody: >Know how expensive it is? >Know if there is a way try it first before buying? >Use it or a different kind that would work with the AutoSet-T? >Still using my old phantom mask. Got it adjusted real tight but it >still does not cause pressure sores (unlike the Mirage) [Ms. Tiger >Lilly still suggests I make the Mirage looser, but making it looser >just makes it leak.] >According to the AutoScan report, the phantom mask does not leak at >all..I mean the graph looks totally flat at 0 leak! This never occurs >with the Mirage. Apnea AHI stats look reall good too (consistently >under 5) >(Bye the way, I’m changing my post name to a name my father-in-law >coined for me..NB (Nasty Bastard!) There are just too many BKs out >there to compete with. >NB
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> what is your pressure? > at perhaps 4-8cm humid is often just > a status item. at 8 to perhaps 12-14cm passover > is usually fine. at 15+, heated is usually required.
will you STOP saying that??????? there are several of us in this group who have already told you that SOME PEOPLE NEED HEATED HUMIDIFICATION AT LOW PRESSURE. *SIGH* — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles
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On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:36:44 -0400, eric pearson <db2e…@deletethis.mindspring.com> wrote: >’adusted real tight’ is a good way >to prevent sleep.
How so? Comfort? >leak readings may be wrong for your mask. >do you tell the software it is standard, mirage, or ultra?
I have it set for *standard* (after all, it is not a Mirage or Ultra, so…) >what is your pressure? >at perhaps 4-8cm humid is often just >a status item. at 8 to perhaps 12-14cm passover >is usually fine. at 15+, heated is usually required.
My pressure is set between 7 and 14..though it seldom goes above 10 Just for an experiment though, I set the thing last night to 6.5 and 9.. just to see what would happen. What did happen is "no appreciable change in results" >the heated Humidaire can be bought new online for >about $300-350. I bought mine used(but in great shape) >at an online auction for $150. Yes, it is big. As is the AutoSet-T. >When I travel I use a passover OASIS and a lighter CPAP (AutosetT at >home, Sullivan 5 travel).
Thanks..this is the kind of info I was looking for By the way I DO have an old bypass humidifier made by Respironics..just a flat sealed water chamber with intake and outake hose openings. I wonder if I could use THAT with the AutoSet-T? Bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->regards, >eric pearson >db2e…@nospammindspring.com >On Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:29:47 GMT, dmeg…@acpub.duke.edu (NB) wrote: >>Things seem to be getting worse lately in that I can’t stay asleep >>long hooked up to my AutoSet-T. I wake up every hour and usually after >>the 2nd time I can’t get back and abandon the thing. >>A recent thread on the same topic suggested that a heated humidifier >>might help. Not sure if this is the problem or a solution, but am >>willing to try anything. >>The heated humidifier on the ResMed site looks big and expensive. >>Does anybody: >>Know how expensive it is? >>Know if there is a way try it first before buying? >>Use it or a different kind that would work with the AutoSet-T? >>Still using my old phantom mask. Got it adjusted real tight but it >>still does not cause pressure sores (unlike the Mirage) [Ms. Tiger >>Lilly still suggests I make the Mirage looser, but making it looser >>just makes it leak.] >>According to the AutoScan report, the phantom mask does not leak at >>all..I mean the graph looks totally flat at 0 leak! This never occurs >>with the Mirage. Apnea AHI stats look reall good too (consistently >>under 5) >>(Bye the way, I’m changing my post name to a name my father-in-law >>coined for me..NB (Nasty Bastard!) There are just too many BKs out >>there to compete with. >>NB
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I use the auto set T. I am going to pass on some helpful information. This information come by way of Perry. He posts on sleepnet.com and I consider him an expert. For the machine to work properly it must use resmed accessories . This means a resmed brand mask, the proper hose – only a six foot hose (resmed) and a resmed brand humidifier. If you don’t the machines sensors don’t work properly. Some people cheat on the humidifier by using another brand. It seems to work ok in most cases . The machine must be set up properly. The factory pressure setting makes the machine a little slow in responding. The factory pressure setting is 4 to 20. It should be changed. The lower pressuring should be 5 or it should be your median pressure setting – 4. My setting is 9.6 - 4 = 5.6. References http://www.sleepnet.com/apnea48/messages/535.html http://www.sleepnet,com/apnea39/messages/650.html NB <dmeg…@acpub.duke.edu> wrote in message
news:3d625cd9.10083429@News.CIS.DFN.DE… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Things seem to be getting worse lately in that I can’t stay asleep > long hooked up to my AutoSet-T. I wake up every hour and usually after > the 2nd time I can’t get back and abandon the thing. > A recent thread on the same topic suggested that a heated humidifier > might help. Not sure if this is the problem or a solution, but am > willing to try anything. > The heated humidifier on the ResMed site looks big and expensive. > Does anybody: > Know how expensive it is? > Know if there is a way try it first before buying? > Use it or a different kind that would work with the AutoSet-T? > Still using my old phantom mask. Got it adjusted real tight but it > still does not cause pressure sores (unlike the Mirage) [Ms. Tiger > Lilly still suggests I make the Mirage looser, but making it looser > just makes it leak.] > According to the AutoScan report, the phantom mask does not leak at > all..I mean the graph looks totally flat at 0 leak! This never occurs > with the Mirage. Apnea AHI stats look reall good too (consistently > under 5) > (Bye the way, I’m changing my post name to a name my father-in-law > coined for me..NB (Nasty Bastard!) There are just too many BKs out > there to compete with. > NB
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dmeg…@acpub.duke.edu (NB) wrote in message <news:3d625cd9.10083429@News.CIS.DFN.DE>… > Things seem to be getting worse lately in that I can’t stay asleep > long hooked up to my AutoSet-T. I wake up every hour and usually after > the 2nd time I can’t get back and abandon the thing.
Exactly why do you give up? For some (if not most) people, adapting to CPAP is difficult. The one thing I can suggest is that you "abandon" the idea of "abandoning the thing." I know how tough the adjustment period can be, but you really need to force yourself to "just keep it on." Eventually, you will get used to it and start realizing the benefits. > A recent thread on the same topic suggested that a heated humidifier > might help. Not sure if this is the problem or a solution, but am > willing to try anything.
The majority of the people around here seem to agree that heated humidity is the best way to go. My sleep lab doctor told me that he no longer prescribes CPAP without the heated humidity. > The heated humidifier on the ResMed site looks big and expensive. > Does anybody: > Know how expensive it is? > Know if there is a way try it first before buying?
I wish they would allow us to test out these things before we buy! But, I have only read a couple of posts where people were given that option, and then I believe it was only to test masks. > Use it or a different kind that would work with the AutoSet-T?
You can check out humidifers at http://www.cpapman.com I am not familiar with your machine, but one of the other models may work for you and be cheaper than the Resmed. > Still using my old phantom mask. Got it adjusted real tight but it > still does not cause pressure sores (unlike the Mirage) [Ms. Tiger > Lilly still suggests I make the Mirage looser, but making it looser > just makes it leak.]
"Real tight" is not the way to go! You want things to be comfortable so that you are more likely to keep it on. I use the Ultra-Mirage and found that it was best to adjust it while lying down, and at full pressure (not ramped). I adjust it just tight enough to stop the leaking. It took some playing with the angle adjustment of the forehead piece in order to get it right. I just had to try it in the various pasitions until I found the one that worked best for me. And I must say, it is very comortable to wear. I have to make sure it is seated on my face properly, but once it is set, it seals just fine. If you do a search on "adjusting ultra-mirage" you will find several good posts on tips for getting a good adjustment. What ever mask you choose, let comfort take priority over the leak factor, at least until you adapt well enough to keep it on all night. > According to the AutoScan report, the phantom mask does not leak at > all..I mean the graph looks totally flat at 0 leak! This never occurs > with the Mirage. Apnea AHI stats look reall good too (consistently > under 5) > (Bye the way, I’m changing my post name to a name my father-in-law > coined for me..NB (Nasty Bastard!) There are just too many BKs out > there to compete with. > NB
I hope this helps you some! Just hang in there and you will get used to this! Good luck, and pleasant dreams! robert
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Thanks for the nice post Mike (and everyone for that matter) >Exactly why do you give up? For some (if not most) people, adapting to >CPAP is difficult.
I give up because I can’t just sleep on my back the whole night. Well I could if I could just would fall asleep and stay asleep till morning. But I do wake up, and when I go back and try to sleep on my back again… well my body is just not "into it" and "wants" a change. And will the mask I am using not leak while on my side? Well given how long it takes to get it working correctly while on my back, I gravely doubt it. (e.g. it has never been a successful operation in the past) In any event, based on your advice (and Ms Tiger Lilly, who has also been very helpful in the past) I will try the Mirage again. Appreciatively, Bruce
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I have never slept on my back (hate it) and always sleep on either left side or right side and alternate all night long and I have never had a problem with cpap or my new autoset spirit. I have my pillows set in just the right way (feather pillows greatly help here on top of a firmer pillow) so that my face hangs over the edge of the pillow…just enough so that the mirage doesn’t touch the pillow. It might take you awhile to get the hang of it but please persevere and you undoubtedly will. Cheers -Jim "nb" <dmeg…@acpub.duke.edu> wrote in message
news:3d63c572.17736714@News.CIS.DFN.DE… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks for the nice post Mike (and everyone for that matter) > >Exactly why do you give up? For some (if not most) people, adapting to > >CPAP is difficult. > I give up because I can’t just sleep on my back the whole night. Well > I could if I could just would fall asleep and stay asleep till > morning. But I do wake up, and when I go back and try to sleep on my > back again… well my body is just not "into it" and "wants" a change. > And will the mask I am using not leak while on my side? Well given how > long it takes to get it working correctly while on my back, I gravely > doubt it. (e.g. it has never been a successful operation in the past) > In any event, based on your advice (and Ms Tiger Lilly, who has also > been very helpful in the past) I will try the Mirage again. > Appreciatively, > Bruce
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I (and many others) have had success with a Breeze nasal pillow rig and the Autoset. The Breeze will let you sleep on your back, on your side, on your stomach, hanging from your heels, etc. with less leaks than any ofher of the 12+ options I’ve tried. regards, eric pearson db2e…@nospammindspring.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:02:42 GMT, dmeg…@acpub.duke.edu (nb) wrote: >Thanks for the nice post Mike (and everyone for that matter) >>Exactly why do you give up? For some (if not most) people, adapting to >>CPAP is difficult. >I give up because I can’t just sleep on my back the whole night. Well >I could if I could just would fall asleep and stay asleep till >morning. But I do wake up, and when I go back and try to sleep on my >back again… well my body is just not "into it" and "wants" a change. >And will the mask I am using not leak while on my side? Well given how >long it takes to get it working correctly while on my back, I gravely >doubt it. (e.g. it has never been a successful operation in the past) >In any event, based on your advice (and Ms Tiger Lilly, who has also >been very helpful in the past) I will try the Mirage again. >Appreciatively, >Bruce
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I have lost the ability to smell, it has been about 7 years. Every so often I can smell things, they have to be very strong!! I have always had a humidifer, just got a heated humidifer in the last 4 months. I have smelled a few things more than before. I am starting to have new problems with my ears, they increased my pressure and my ears are not taking it too well. "Ron" <just-me@#home-sweet-home.com> wrote in message
news:vCX99.3038$p%3.218522@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I haven’t been keeping up with this newsgroup, so I just dropped in to see > what is new & exciting. > I have a question about the use of a heated humidifier: > Why do so many of you ‘have/need’ a heated humidifier? I have been using my > CPAP for a couple of years now, and occasionally wonder if I should get one. > I don’t really know what the advantage might be in using one. I have no > problem using my machine as is, but I have had an unexplainable thing happen > to me since I started CPAP. I wrote this newsgroup once to ask if anyone > else noticed the phenomenon. Since starting CPAP I have lost my sense of > smell. I > first noticed that my Irish Spring bath soap no longer has that fresh scent, > so I switched to another brand. It too only has a very slight odor, almost > like the smell of Ivory Soap (not perfumie). > Now, a couple of years later my sense of smell has nearly totally left me. > The reason I questioned this newsgroup was to see if any other CPAP user had > a similar experience. I feared the dry air pumped into my nose had dried > out the olfactory sensors in my nose, and wondered if the use of a > humidifier would/could help reverse or reduce the symptom. > I’ll ask again now; has/does anyone using CPAP experience any reduction in > their ability to smell normally? If so, has there been any thoughts about > CPAP causing the loss? If so, would the use of a humidifier be of value? > Thanks for any thoughts on this matter, > Ron > Ron.Carr…@att.net
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Very interesting, Janet. You say you lost the sense about 7 years ago. How long have you been on CPAP? Are you saying that since you started using a heated humidifier you may be experiencing an improved sense of smell? I am one of 13 guys building 14 WWl replica fighter planes. We are known as The Noon Patrol, in Independence, Oregon. This evening I was talking to another in our group about my loss. He was a bit shocked, as he too has the same loss, and also uses a CPAP with no humidifier. If there is ANY chance at all that a heated humidifier would save some of my loss I’d buy one in a heartbeat. In fact, I have asked this newsgroup whether anyone may have one to sell. I no longer have my sleep doctor (got very disgusted with him), so I’m unable to get a prescription. I really want to experiment with this one. I’m a little excited about it, and have little to lose. Thanks, Ron Ron.Carr…@att.net "Janet Saunders" <disneynu…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:33gb9.39878$Ke2.2831612@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have lost the ability to smell, it has been about 7 years. Every so often > I can smell things, they have to be very strong!! I have always had a > humidifer, just got a heated humidifer in the last 4 months. I have smelled > a few things more than before. I am starting to have new problems with my > ears, they increased my pressure and my ears are not taking it too well. > "Ron" <just-me@#home-sweet-home.com> wrote in message > news:vCX99.3038$p%3.218522@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > > I haven’t been keeping up with this newsgroup, so I just dropped in to > see > > what is new & exciting. > > I have a question about the use of a heated humidifier: > > Why do so many of you ‘have/need’ a heated humidifier? I have been using > my > > CPAP for a couple of years now, and occasionally wonder if I should get > one. > > I don’t really know what the advantage might be in using one. I have no > > problem using my machine as is, but I have had an unexplainable thing > happen > > to me since I started CPAP. I wrote this newsgroup once to ask if anyone > > else noticed the phenomenon. Since starting CPAP I have lost my sense of > > smell. I > > first noticed that my Irish Spring bath soap no longer has that fresh > scent, > > so I switched to another brand. It too only has a very slight odor, > almost > > like the smell of Ivory Soap (not perfumie). > > Now, a couple of years later my sense of smell has nearly totally left me. > > The reason I questioned this newsgroup was to see if any other CPAP user > had > > a similar experience. I feared the dry air pumped into my nose had dried > > out the olfactory sensors in my nose, and wondered if the use of a > > humidifier would/could help reverse or reduce the symptom. > > I’ll ask again now; has/does anyone using CPAP experience any reduction in > > their ability to smell normally? If so, has there been any thoughts > about > > CPAP causing the loss? If so, would the use of a humidifier be of value? > > Thanks for any thoughts on this matter, > > Ron > > Ron.Carr…@att.net
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Ron" <just-me@#home-sweet-home.com> wrote in message > news:vCX99.3038$p%3.218522@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… > > I haven’t been keeping up with this newsgroup, so I just dropped in to see > > what is new & exciting. > > I have a question about the use of a heated humidifier: snip > > I’ll ask again now; has/does anyone using CPAP experience any reduction in > > their ability to smell normally? If so, has there been any thoughts about > > CPAP causing the loss? If so, would the use of a humidifier be of value? > > Thanks for any thoughts on this matter, > > Ron > > Ron.Carr…@att.net > One suggestion, read all the recent humidifier threads (Re: Passive vs. Heated > Humidification,etc.) Do a http://groups.google.com/ search using heated humidifier > and then sort by date. Been lots of posts about humidifiers lately. > Loss of sense of smell is called Anosmia. I suggest using www.google.com and > research the heck out of it, i.e. search words [anosmia humidity] etc. > Obviously, you have gone to an ENT? Olfactory nerve usually runs thru the middle > turbinate but some people have a portion in the inferior turbinate, ENT should be > able to do a test such as a Quick Test > http://www.cranial-one.com/product_info.html > Can’t help on whether a humidifier would help regain sense of smell (lost mine > because of sinus surgeries). IMO blowing any pressure of non humidified air isn’t > a > good idea even if you can do it. No telling what years of swelling turbinates > might do to a person. Good luck. Mike
Found the below (was same info at several sites) at http://goodmedicine.ninemsn.com.au/goodmedicine/expert/article/caroli… "The most common cause of a temporary loss of smell is an upper respiratory infection. This causes the nasal lining to swell which compromises your ability to smell. Other problems like allergic conditions, trauma to the nose or nasal polyps can also lead to swelling of the nasal passages and a loss of smell." Notice a recurring theme of "swelling of the nasal passages" to loss of smell. Guess what happens when you blow room humidified air at ANY pressure across the sinuses. Swelling to help humidify the air. Cash will be accepted 
) Mike
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Don’t know what your history and experience is, but a couple of us, that may have central apnea, felt like crap after using autopap. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NB wrote: > Things seem to be getting worse lately in that I can’t stay asleep > long hooked up to my AutoSet-T. I wake up every hour and usually after > the 2nd time I can’t get back and abandon the thing. > A recent thread on the same topic suggested that a heated humidifier > might help. Not sure if this is the problem or a solution, but am > willing to try anything. > The heated humidifier on the ResMed site looks big and expensive. > Does anybody: > Know how expensive it is? > Know if there is a way try it first before buying? > Use it or a different kind that would work with the AutoSet-T? > Still using my old phantom mask. Got it adjusted real tight but it > still does not cause pressure sores (unlike the Mirage) [Ms. Tiger > Lilly still suggests I make the Mirage looser, but making it looser > just makes it leak.] > According to the AutoScan report, the phantom mask does not leak at > all..I mean the graph looks totally flat at 0 leak! This never occurs > with the Mirage. Apnea AHI stats look reall good too (consistently > under 5) > (Bye the way, I’m changing my post name to a name my father-in-law > coined for me..NB (Nasty Bastard!) There are just too many BKs out > there to compete with. > NB
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> > "eric pearson" <db2e…@deletethis.mindspring.com> wrote in message > > news:tou5mustptpjljjj20epv8bdbum58bt9pc@4ax.com… > > > ‘adusted real tight’ is a good way > > > to prevent sleep. > > > leak readings may be wrong for your mask. > > > do you tell the software it is standard, mirage, or ultra? > > > what is your pressure? > > > at perhaps 4-8cm humid is often just > > > a status item. at 8 to perhaps 12-14cm passover > > > is usually fine. at 15+, heated is usually required.
i have a setting of 8……… i need a HEATED humidifier or my nose cracks, bleeds and gets all stuffed up add the Heated humidifier and voila……… no more problems, and nary a sinus cold in OVER a year ! can’t beat a heated humidifier……. and can’t judge it by your pressure setting……. anything over zero pressure can bring about sinus changes to the negative for those of us on CPAP……….. matter of fact, CPAP by nature REQUIRES us to use a humidifier (and heated works SO much better than passive)
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I have to agree, I needed a heated humidifier period. I use an autoset T with a prescription of 6-20. I average 13-15. Without the humidifier, my nose and sinuses are a mess. Fred. "Tiger Lily" <TigerL…@nospam.alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote in message
news:7VX89.5450$bv5.490550@news0.telusplanet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > "eric pearson" <db2e…@deletethis.mindspring.com> wrote in message > > > news:tou5mustptpjljjj20epv8bdbum58bt9pc@4ax.com… > > > > ‘adusted real tight’ is a good way > > > > to prevent sleep. > > > > leak readings may be wrong for your mask. > > > > do you tell the software it is standard, mirage, or ultra? > > > > what is your pressure? > > > > at perhaps 4-8cm humid is often just > > > > a status item. at 8 to perhaps 12-14cm passover > > > > is usually fine. at 15+, heated is usually required. > i have a setting of 8……… i need a HEATED humidifier or my nose cracks, > bleeds and gets all stuffed up > add the Heated humidifier and voila……… no more problems, and nary a > sinus cold in OVER a year ! > can’t beat a heated humidifier……. and can’t judge it by your pressure > setting……. anything over zero pressure can bring about sinus changes to > the negative for those of us on CPAP……….. matter of fact, CPAP by > nature REQUIRES us to use a humidifier (and heated works SO much better than > passive)
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I cannot imagine why anyone would even try to prescribe cpap without the humidification … it just ain’t logical! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Fred wrote: > I have to agree, I needed a heated humidifier period. I use an autoset T > with a prescription of 6-20. I average 13-15. Without the humidifier, my > nose and sinuses are a mess. > Fred. > "Tiger Lily" <TigerL…@nospam.alt-support-diabetes.org> wrote in message > news:7VX89.5450$bv5.490550@news0.telusplanet.net… > > > > "eric pearson" <db2e…@deletethis.mindspring.com> wrote in message > > > > news:tou5mustptpjljjj20epv8bdbum58bt9pc@4ax.com… > > > > > ‘adusted real tight’ is a good way > > > > > to prevent sleep. > > > > > leak readings may be wrong for your mask. > > > > > do you tell the software it is standard, mirage, or ultra? > > > > > what is your pressure? > > > > > at perhaps 4-8cm humid is often just > > > > > a status item. at 8 to perhaps 12-14cm passover > > > > > is usually fine. at 15+, heated is usually required. > > i have a setting of 8……… i need a HEATED humidifier or my nose > cracks, > > bleeds and gets all stuffed up > > add the Heated humidifier and voila……… no more problems, and nary a > > sinus cold in OVER a year ! > > can’t beat a heated humidifier……. and can’t judge it by your pressure > > setting……. anything over zero pressure can bring about sinus changes > to > > the negative for those of us on CPAP……….. matter of fact, CPAP by > > nature REQUIRES us to use a humidifier (and heated works SO much better > than > > passive)
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That is what my doc told me. I also something to the same effect on Sleepnet and will try to find it again. regards, eric pearson db2e…@nospammindspring.com On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:07:35 -0500, "Lori&Mike" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote: >"Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message >news:um6cspmkgk5d4f@corp.supernews.com… >> "eric pearson" <db2e…@deletethis.mindspring.com> wrote in message >> news:tou5mustptpjljjj20epv8bdbum58bt9pc@4ax.com… >> > ‘adusted real tight’ is a good way >> > to prevent sleep. >> > leak readings may be wrong for your mask. >> > do you tell the software it is standard, mirage, or ultra? >> > what is your pressure? >> > at perhaps 4-8cm humid is often just >> > a status item. at 8 to perhaps 12-14cm passover >> > is usually fine. at 15+, heated is usually required. >> Where did you get the info on what pressure needs what humidification? Mike >Since this is the second time I have asked for the basis of Eric’s humidity facts >and he has decided not to respond, I give up. Mike
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Turns out it wasn’t sleepnet. I’ll chase some more of my IE favorites tonight. But the doc did tell me about the pressure/humid/heat correlation as did one of the techs (herself a CPAP patient). regards, eric pearson db2e…@nospammindspring.com On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:30:27 -0500, "Lori&Mike" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote: >Thanks! I didn’t mean to sound militant about it, just felt that something that >can effect compliance as much as humidification any concrete "fact" needs to be >verified. Personally, I feel like it’s more nasal anatomy, general health, >allergies, age, etc. and not so much low pressure versus high pressure. This is an >educated guess, no support. Be very interested if you know of any studies/medical >reports that so otherwise. Mike >"eric pearson" <db2e…@deletethis.mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:2avamu8clf4q4818ldo8oa77ve58rdcene@4ax.com… >> That is what my doc told me. I also something >> to the same effect on Sleepnet and will try to find it again. >> regards, >> eric pearson >> db2e…@nospammindspring.com >> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:07:35 -0500, "Lori&Mike" >> <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote: >> >"Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message >> >news:um6cspmkgk5d4f@corp.supernews.com… >> >> "eric pearson" <db2e…@deletethis.mindspring.com> wrote in message >> >> news:tou5mustptpjljjj20epv8bdbum58bt9pc@4ax.com… >> >> > ‘adusted real tight’ is a good way >> >> > to prevent sleep. >> >> > leak readings may be wrong for your mask. >> >> > do you tell the software it is standard, mirage, or ultra? >> >> > what is your pressure? >> >> > at perhaps 4-8cm humid is often just >> >> > a status item. at 8 to perhaps 12-14cm passover >> >> > is usually fine. at 15+, heated is usually required. >> >> Where did you get the info on what pressure needs what humidification? Mike >> >Since this is the second time I have asked for the basis of Eric’s humidity >facts >> >and he has decided not to respond, I give up. Mike
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I haven’t been keeping up with this newsgroup, so I just dropped in to see what is new & exciting. I have a question about the use of a heated humidifier: Why do so many of you ‘have/need’ a heated humidifier? I have been using my CPAP for a couple of years now, and occasionally wonder if I should get one. I don’t really know what the advantage might be in using one. I have no problem using my machine as is, but I have had an unexplainable thing happen to me since I started CPAP. I wrote this newsgroup once to ask if anyone else noticed the phenomenon. Since starting CPAP I have lost my sense of smell. I first noticed that my Irish Spring bath soap no longer has that fresh scent, so I switched to another brand. It too only has a very slight odor, almost like the smell of Ivory Soap (not perfumie). Now, a couple of years later my sense of smell has nearly totally left me. The reason I questioned this newsgroup was to see if any other CPAP user had a similar experience. I feared the dry air pumped into my nose had dried out the olfactory sensors in my nose, and wondered if the use of a humidifier would/could help reverse or reduce the symptom. I’ll ask again now; has/does anyone using CPAP experience any reduction in their ability to smell normally? If so, has there been any thoughts about CPAP causing the loss? If so, would the use of a humidifier be of value? Thanks for any thoughts on this matter, Ron Ron.Carr…@att.net
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"Ron" <just-me@#home-sweet-home.com> wrote in message
news:vCX99.3038$p%3.218522@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I haven’t been keeping up with this newsgroup, so I just dropped in to see > what is new & exciting. > I have a question about the use of a heated humidifier: > Why do so many of you ‘have/need’ a heated humidifier? I have been using my > CPAP for a couple of years now, and occasionally wonder if I should get one. > I don’t really know what the advantage might be in using one. I have no > problem using my machine as is, but I have had an unexplainable thing happen > to me since I started CPAP. I wrote this newsgroup once to ask if anyone > else noticed the phenomenon. Since starting CPAP I have lost my sense of > smell. I > first noticed that my Irish Spring bath soap no longer has that fresh scent, > so I switched to another brand. It too only has a very slight odor, almost > like the smell of Ivory Soap (not perfumie). > Now, a couple of years later my sense of smell has nearly totally left me. > The reason I questioned this newsgroup was to see if any other CPAP user had > a similar experience. I feared the dry air pumped into my nose had dried > out the olfactory sensors in my nose, and wondered if the use of a > humidifier would/could help reverse or reduce the symptom. > I’ll ask again now; has/does anyone using CPAP experience any reduction in > their ability to smell normally? If so, has there been any thoughts about > CPAP causing the loss? If so, would the use of a humidifier be of value? > Thanks for any thoughts on this matter, > Ron > Ron.Carr…@att.net
One suggestion, read all the recent humidifier threads (Re: Passive vs. Heated Humidification,etc.) Do a http://groups.google.com/ search using heated humidifier and then sort by date. Been lots of posts about humidifiers lately. Loss of sense of smell is called Anosmia. I suggest using www.google.com and research the heck out of it, i.e. search words [anosmia humidity] etc. Obviously, you have gone to an ENT? Olfactory nerve usually runs thru the middle turbinate but some people have a portion in the inferior turbinate, ENT should be able to do a test such as a Quick Test http://www.cranial-one.com/product_info.html Can’t help on whether a humidifier would help regain sense of smell (lost mine because of sinus surgeries). IMO blowing any pressure of non humidified air isn’t a good idea even if you can do it. No telling what years of swelling turbinates might do to a person. Good luck. Mike
