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Need Smaller Mask and Headgear

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If you don’t want to use a nasal mask, the most common alternative is nasal pillows. The Breeze rig offers the most flexible combination of adustability. The CONJO custom headger ( www.cpapman.com ) offers custom-sized headgear, but with fewer adjustment options than the Breeze. I’ve had success with both systems. regards, eric pearson nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:00:46 +1000, "Susie Quill" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote: >I took the c-flex off my machine and that helped. >Have come to the conclusion that the face mask is still too big for me, even >though it is a small mask. I know I had some messages on this earlier, but >can’t find them now. Sorry. >Someone mentioned a headgear that I looked up and liked the looks of. >Con..or Kon…something or other. I can’t find it now. Can someone give me >the name of that headgear? >I need a headgear that will adjust for my smaller head, and I need the hose >to fold back over the top of my head so it is out of the way. I don’t want >to use a nasal mask. I read that any mask and head gear will fit any >machine. >I’m using the mask every night now, and I think it is helping. It is just >that it squashes my eyes because the mask is too big. It isn’t riding up, >it is already right below my eyes when I go to sleep. Someone from >Australia, I think, responded with the same type of problem. Can’t find >those messages though. Sorry. In addition to sleep apnea, I appear to have >brain fog. >Thanks, >Susie >—-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >—-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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i think the word you’re after is Conjo — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I took the c-flex off my machine and that helped. > Have come to the conclusion that the face mask is still too big for me, > even though it is a small mask. I know I had some messages on this > earlier, but can’t find them now. Sorry. > Someone mentioned a headgear that I looked up and liked the looks of. > Con..or Kon…something or other. I can’t find it now. Can someone give > me the name of that headgear? > I need a headgear that will adjust for my smaller head, and I need the > hose to fold back over the top of my head so it is out of the way. I > don’t want to use a nasal mask. I read that any mask and head gear > will fit any machine. > I’m using the mask every night now, and I think it is helping. It is just > that it squashes my eyes because the mask is too big. It isn’t riding up, > it is already right below my eyes when I go to sleep. Someone from > Australia, I think, responded with the same type of problem. Can’t find > those messages though. Sorry. In addition to sleep apnea, I appear to > have brain fog. > Thanks, > Susie > —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet > News==—- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ > Newsgroups > —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption > =—-

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"Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> writes: > I took the c-flex off my machine and that helped. > Have come to the conclusion that the face mask is still too big for me, even > though it is a small mask. I know I had some messages on this earlier, but > can’t find them now. Sorry. > Someone mentioned a headgear that I looked up and liked the looks of. > Con..or Kon…something or other. I can’t find it now. Can someone give me > the name of that headgear?

As the other poster suggested, it sounds like it is the Conjo system (possibly it was my post you were remembering). The distributor cpapman.com sells the Conjo system. You have to measure parts of your head to get the right fit: http://www.cpapman.com/customhe.htm > I need a headgear that will adjust for my smaller head, and I need the hose > to fold back over the top of my head so it is out of the way. I don’t want > to use a nasal mask. I read that any mask and head gear will fit any > machine.

I believe the hose connection is a standard size. I haven’t used it, but another option is a hose support system: http://www.cpapman.com/special.html#anchor61318 > I’m using the mask every night now, and I think it is helping. It is just > that it squashes my eyes because the mask is too big. It isn’t riding up, > it is already right below my eyes when I go to sleep. Someone from > Australia, I think, responded with the same type of problem. Can’t find > those messages though. Sorry. In addition to sleep apnea, I appear to have > brain fog.

Well brain fog is usually caused by not getting proper sleep. Good luck! — Michael Meissner email: mrmn…@the-meissners.org http://www.the-meissners.org

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"Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> writes: > Anna, > Thanks for the response. Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I never > have used the nasaln pillows. I am having trouble with the mask being a bit > too big and squishing my eyes at night! Already using a small mask, > apparently I need a mini. Trying to look in to it. However, I must be > getting better sleep. I’m starting to wake up remembering that I drempt > something during the night. > Thanks, > Susie

If you have never tried nasal pillows, you might want to try them (but use Ayr cream). Unfortunately, I mouth breathe too much and chinstraps weren’t helping, so I switched to a full face mask (and have had some problems getting a right fit). — Michael Meissner email: mrmn…@the-meissners.org http://www.the-meissners.org

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Anna, Thanks for the response. Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I never have used the nasaln pillows. I am having trouble with the mask being a bit too big and squishing my eyes at night! Already using a small mask, apparently I need a mini. Trying to look in to it. However, I must be getting better sleep. I’m starting to wake up remembering that I drempt something during the night. Thanks, Susie "Anna LeBlanc" <lebla…@qwest.net> wrote in message

news:BE8742AD.21589%leblancr@qwest.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Susie, > I use the conjo headgear. It connects the hose to the little frame that > holds the nasal pillows in place. > I *much* prefer nasal pillows to a nasal mask. Of course, this is very > personal and individual. You were having problems with the nasal pillows > irritating your nostrils, weren’t you? Did you ever get that to heal? > Anna > in article 4261dc83$…@127.0.0.1, Susie Quill at sus…@vzpacifica.net > wrote on 4/16/05 8:45 PM: >> That is it, Thanks Beth.. >> Susie >> "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:42613172@news.usenetzone.com… >>> i think the word you’re after is Conjo >>> — >>> Beth in Australia >>> ————————– >>> Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am >>> not >>> a medically trained professional >>> FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here >>> http://talhost.net/sleep >>> Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm >>> this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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Well, Michael, one never knows. I’m living closer to Australia right now then to the states….. I’d like to visit their one day. When and if I get to, maybe I’ll get a mask made specially for me. Thanks for the information. : ) I saved it. Susie. "Michael Meissner" <mrmn…@the-meissners.org> wrote in message

news:m3is2lfegb.fsf@tiktok.the-meissners.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Michael Meissner <mrmn…@the-meissners.org> writes: >> "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> writes: >> > Isn’t the nasal pillows the one that fits inside the nose? >> > That is what I don’t want to use. I’ll look at the web sites. >> > Thanks, >> > Susie >> Yep, nasal pillows are the ones that fit inside of your nose. I don’t >> recall >> which brand it was for, but I remember there was at least one brand mask >> that >> you could reshape the mask by putting it in boiling water, and it would >> get >> soft, and then you could mould it to your face. > I did some googling, and evidently in Australia there is a company that > does > individually molded masks (but that won’t help most of us): > http://www.sleepapneamasks.com.au/default.asp > Here is an article that describes how to make your own make seal: > http://www.britishsnoring.co.uk/pdf/j12.pdf > — > Michael Meissner > email: mrmn…@the-meissners.org > http://www.the-meissners.org

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That is it, Thanks Beth.. Susie "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:42613172@news.usenetzone.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i think the word you’re after is Conjo > — > Beth in Australia > ————————– > Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not > a medically trained professional > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > http://talhost.net/sleep > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles >>I took the c-flex off my machine and that helped. >> Have come to the conclusion that the face mask is still too big for me, >> even though it is a small mask. I know I had some messages on this >> earlier, but can’t find them now. Sorry. >> Someone mentioned a headgear that I looked up and liked the looks of. >> Con..or Kon…something or other. I can’t find it now. Can someone give >> me the name of that headgear? >> I need a headgear that will adjust for my smaller head, and I need the >> hose to fold back over the top of my head so it is out of the way. I >> don’t want to use a nasal mask. I read that any mask and head gear >> will fit any machine. >> I’m using the mask every night now, and I think it is helping. It is >> just that it squashes my eyes because the mask is too big. It isn’t >> riding up, it is already right below my eyes when I go to sleep. Someone >> from Australia, I think, responded with the same type of problem. Can’t >> find those messages though. Sorry. In addition to sleep apnea, I appear >> to have brain fog. >> Thanks, >> Susie >> —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet >> News==—- >> http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ >> Newsgroups >> —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption >> =—- > _________________________________________ > Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > More than 120,000 groups > Unlimited download > http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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"Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> writes: > Isn’t the nasal pillows the one that fits inside the nose? > That is what I don’t want to use. I’ll look at the web sites. > Thanks, > Susie

Yep, nasal pillows are the ones that fit inside of your nose. I don’t recall which brand it was for, but I remember there was at least one brand mask that you could reshape the mask by putting it in boiling water, and it would get soft, and then you could mould it to your face. — Michael Meissner email: mrmn…@the-meissners.org http://www.the-meissners.org

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Susie, I use the conjo headgear. It connects the hose to the little frame that holds the nasal pillows in place. I *much* prefer nasal pillows to a nasal mask. Of course, this is very personal and individual. You were having problems with the nasal pillows irritating your nostrils, weren’t you? Did you ever get that to heal? Anna in article 4261dc83$…@127.0.0.1, Susie Quill at sus…@vzpacifica.net wrote on 4/16/05 8:45 PM: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That is it, Thanks Beth.. > Susie > "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:42613172@news.usenetzone.com… >> i think the word you’re after is Conjo >> — >> Beth in Australia >> ————————– >> Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not >> a medically trained professional >> FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here >> http://talhost.net/sleep >> Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm >> this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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Michael Meissner <mrmn…@the-meissners.org> writes: > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> writes: > > Isn’t the nasal pillows the one that fits inside the nose? > > That is what I don’t want to use. I’ll look at the web sites. > > Thanks, > > Susie > Yep, nasal pillows are the ones that fit inside of your nose. I don’t recall > which brand it was for, but I remember there was at least one brand mask that > you could reshape the mask by putting it in boiling water, and it would get > soft, and then you could mould it to your face.

I did some googling, and evidently in Australia there is a company that does individually molded masks (but that won’t help most of us): http://www.sleepapneamasks.com.au/default.asp Here is an article that describes how to make your own make seal: http://www.britishsnoring.co.uk/pdf/j12.pdf — Michael Meissner email: mrmn…@the-meissners.org http://www.the-meissners.org

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Isn’t the nasal pillows the one that fits inside the nose? That is what I don’t want to use. I’ll look at the web sites. Thanks, Susie "eric pearson" <nono.ericp.n…@nonono.fuse.net> wrote in message

news:h1l3619296iu5lsof83al04cnajuuu9mr8@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you don’t want to use a nasal mask, the most common > alternative is nasal pillows. The Breeze rig offers the most flexible > combination of adustability. The CONJO custom headger ( > www.cpapman.com ) offers custom-sized headgear, but with fewer > adjustment options than the Breeze. I’ve had success with both > systems. > regards, > eric pearson > nonono.ericp1.non…@nonono.fuse.net > On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:00:46 +1000, "Susie Quill" > <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote: >>I took the c-flex off my machine and that helped. >>Have come to the conclusion that the face mask is still too big for me, >>even >>though it is a small mask. I know I had some messages on this earlier, >>but >>can’t find them now. Sorry. >>Someone mentioned a headgear that I looked up and liked the looks of. >>Con..or Kon…something or other. I can’t find it now. Can someone give >>me >>the name of that headgear? >>I need a headgear that will adjust for my smaller head, and I need the >>hose >>to fold back over the top of my head so it is out of the way. I don’t >>want >>to use a nasal mask. I read that any mask and head gear will fit any >>machine. >>I’m using the mask every night now, and I think it is helping. It is just >>that it squashes my eyes because the mask is too big. It isn’t riding up, >>it is already right below my eyes when I go to sleep. Someone from >>Australia, I think, responded with the same type of problem. Can’t find >>those messages though. Sorry. In addition to sleep apnea, I appear to >>have >>brain fog. >>Thanks, >>Susie >>—-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet >>News==—- >>http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ >>Newsgroups >>—-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption >>=—-

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I took the c-flex off my machine and that helped. Have come to the conclusion that the face mask is still too big for me, even though it is a small mask. I know I had some messages on this earlier, but can’t find them now. Sorry. Someone mentioned a headgear that I looked up and liked the looks of. Con..or Kon…something or other. I can’t find it now. Can someone give me the name of that headgear? I need a headgear that will adjust for my smaller head, and I need the hose to fold back over the top of my head so it is out of the way. I don’t want to use a nasal mask. I read that any mask and head gear will fit any machine. I’m using the mask every night now, and I think it is helping. It is just that it squashes my eyes because the mask is too big. It isn’t riding up, it is already right below my eyes when I go to sleep. Someone from Australia, I think, responded with the same type of problem. Can’t find those messages though. Sorry. In addition to sleep apnea, I appear to have brain fog. Thanks, Susie —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-

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CPAP auto leak compensation?

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I am about to replace my current CPAP. Does anyone have information as to which models have the best automatic leak compensation adjustment? Because I am a mouth breather, I have to use a full face mask. However, for religious reasons I have a full beard, which makes it difficult to obtain a perfect seal. Regretfully, there doesn’t seem to be any Consumer Reports style evaluation of CPAPs anywhere, listing specifications, features and test results for noise, leak compensation, etc. Neither my doctor nor my DME had any information on how well different models compensate for leaks. I was wondering if anyone in this group has any information as to which models best compensate for leaks automatically? Thanks in advance, TGIF

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Have you tried the new Fisher Paykel ffm? The mask fits up under your chin so it may help. Raleighgirl

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It would seem to me that the nature of CPAP is to produce *constant* pressure (as set) regardless of conditions, up to the maximum fan speed. I use a FF mask with a Respironics (and beard), and the mask leaks, but the machine can generally keep up with all but major leaks (it then beeps to indicate failure). BTW, I have one of these available with very few hours on it for $300 plus shipping (I wound up with three…;-), and it is a very quiet machine and well-known (and it includes the heated humidifier). Holler if interested (I can set your pressure on it). — — David Ruether r…@cornell.edu http://www.ferrario.com/ruether – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"TGIF" <syl1-c…@usa.net> wrote in message news:1113506724.611027.327170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… >I am about to replace my current CPAP. Does anyone have information as > to which models have the best automatic leak compensation adjustment? > Because I am a mouth breather, I have to use a full face mask. > However, for religious reasons I have a full beard, which makes it > difficult to obtain a perfect seal. > Regretfully, there doesn’t seem to be any Consumer Reports style > evaluation of CPAPs anywhere, listing specifications, features and test > results for noise, leak compensation, etc. > Neither my doctor nor my DME had any information on how well different > models compensate for leaks. > I was wondering if anyone in this group has any information as to which > models best compensate for leaks automatically? > Thanks in advance, > TGIF

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"TGIF" > wrote in message > Because I am a mouth breather, I have to use a full face mask. > However, for religious reasons I have a full beard, which makes it > difficult to obtain a perfect seal.

The kind and loving God I know would rather have you sleep well and be healthy rather than trying to please him by burdening yourself with a beard. "Follow Me, my yoke is light"…Jesus

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"Ivan" <mr_jerky_ma…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:116510jbhbr074d@corp.supernews.com… > "TGIF" > wrote in message > > Because I am a mouth breather, I have to use a full face mask. > > However, for religious reasons I have a full beard, which makes it > > difficult to obtain a perfect seal. > The kind and loving God I know would rather have you sleep well and be > healthy rather than trying to please him by burdening yourself with a > beard. "Follow Me, my yoke is light"…Jesus > —————————————————

If you’re going to quote Scripture, please quote it correctly and in context. See Matt. 11: 29-30. Hal S.

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you wouldn’t happen to be an Ivan I know from elsewhere would you? — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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"Ivan" <mr_jerky_ma…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:116510jbhbr074d@corp.supernews.com… > "TGIF" > wrote in message >> Because I am a mouth breather, I have to use a full face mask. >> However, for religious reasons I have a full beard, which makes it >> difficult to obtain a perfect seal. > The kind and loving God I know would rather have you sleep well and be > healthy rather than trying to please him by burdening yourself with a > beard. "Follow Me, my yoke is light"…Jesus

Have you considered any of the nasal pillows setups. With them you could out-beard Rip Van Winkel and not have a problem. (I have a fairly short beard, but the problem is the same. Paul R

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Tal, lol…what tipped you off? "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:4262a735@news.usenetzone.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> you wouldn’t happen to be an Ivan I know from elsewhere would you? > — > Beth in Australia > ————————– > Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not > a medically trained professional > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > http://talhost.net/sleep > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles > _________________________________________ > Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > More than 120,000 groups > Unlimited download > http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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> Tal, lol…what tipped you off?

the quote along with the username ivan triggered some vague recollection that I might have mentioned this newsgroup to you a long time ago — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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TGIF Wrote: go to http://www.cpapman.com. Look at the machines in his online catalog. They have specifications. I do not care who you buy from. However I buy my machines from him. Their are + and _ when you decide to buy from a local DME or a internet DME. I buy my masks from cpapdirect,com I only paid $65.00 for my new mask. Best wishes. "TGIF" <syl1-c…@usa.net> wrote in message

news:1113506724.611027.327170@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am about to replace my current CPAP. Does anyone have information as > to which models have the best automatic leak compensation adjustment? > Because I am a mouth breather, I have to use a full face mask. > However, for religious reasons I have a full beard, which makes it > difficult to obtain a perfect seal. > Regretfully, there doesn’t seem to be any Consumer Reports style > evaluation of CPAPs anywhere, listing specifications, features and test > results for noise, leak compensation, etc. > Neither my doctor nor my DME had any information on how well different > models compensate for leaks. > I was wondering if anyone in this group has any information as to which > models best compensate for leaks automatically? > Thanks in advance, > TGIF

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600-Pound Woman Dies After Being Surgically Removed From Couch

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On 9 Apr 2005 10:35:07 -0700, "Lady Veteran" <army…@bigfoot.com> wrote: >This idiot like old news. >To hell with you and your idiocy.

the idiocracy r00lz, donchaknow

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On 11 Apr 2005 06:48:06 -0700, "Lady Veteran" <army…@bigfoot.com> wrote: >Yes, I know and you can’t spell either.I think you need to tell mom and >dad they should get the money vack for your education. It didn’t take. >LV

letz have some of yer personal info… I’m sure with enough, and a trip downtown near or in the lobby of your banks’ HQ, yer money can get vaced real good, exp @ WAMU waaah moo moo moo… this is all such fucking dogshit

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On 8 Apr 2005 20:28:11 -0700, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "Lady Veteran" <army…@bigfoot.com> wrote: >—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– >Hash: SHA1 >Hey shithead. Why don’t you read some new stuff and quit flogging >dead horsses. I think someone ought to flog you. >LV

You’re awfully grumpy Blobbie, is your Intertrigo acting up again? http://mdchoice.com/pt/Photo/img/img0064.jpg

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On 8 Apr 2005 20:28:11 -0700, "Lady Veteran" <army…@bigfoot.com> wrote: >—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– >Hash: SHA1

I hadda run away from Sha(ron) >Hey shithead. Why don’t you read some new stuff and quit flogging >dead horsses. I think someone ought to flog you. >LV

to a long Sandra Collins mix, even moo

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600-Pound Woman Dies After Being Surgically Removed From Couch by A dramatic rescue ended tragically in Stuart, Florida, a rescue so difficult firefighters say they have never seen anything like it. It happened late Tuesday night and early Wednesday morning at the home of a 600-pound woman who was having trouble breathing. Rescuers went in not knowing how difficult it would be to get her out. 40-year-old Gail Grinds was literally stuck to her couch and had to be removed surgically at the hospital. Authorities estimate she had been on the couch anywhere from two to five years. Martin County Fire amd Rescue crews faced what seemed to be an impossible mission. Everyone going inside had to wear protective gear. The stench was so powerful they had to blast in fresh air. They tried to cut out the front door, but at four-and-a-half feet wide, it wouldn’t work. They had to cut plywood since a normal stretcher wouldn’t do. An ambulance was too small, so they brought in a trailer to get her out. While rescue crews came up with a back-door rescue plan, detectives secured what had become a crime scene, questioning family members about how it got so bad. Using planks, they loaded the woman on to the trailer, still attached to the couch. Removing her would be too painful, since her body is grafted to the fabric. After years of staying put, her skin has literally become one with the sofa and it must be surgically removed. Detectives are investigating whether they have a case of neglect, or if it is simply a very sad story. Grinds was taken to the Martin Memorial hospital where doctors removed her from the couch, but she died in spite of all the attempts to save her life.

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Want to get away from the Trolls and talk Sleep Apnea

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Well, I’m surprised. Is this the real normc? 1) you top posted. Can’t remember seeing that before. 2) I can’t imagine how you interpreted my post as disparaging? I made real sure to say (twice) that I see it as "great" and a "benefit". I only meant to imply that Hal was correct in that it’s a "commercial" site (I have no problems with "commercial" sites. Do you attach some negative connotation to anything classified as "commercial"?) in the same way that if the exact same site was sponsored by Resmed it would be commercial. maybe it was an imposter norm… -Quick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -normc wrote: > I support the message board for several reasons: > (1) I/we ‘know’ him. It’s not like the clearly commercial > CPAP mewssage boards already on the web, where we know > noone. > (2) He solicited inputs on ASSD and continues to solicit, > and implement, our comments/suggestions on his message > board. What other message board does that? > (3) He is a registered PT, only for 2 years, but his > asssociate has been licensed in two states for many years. > The last professional on ASSD, who appeared to know what > he was talking about, was Bret and he has been gone for > over > a year. > (4) He (Doc Voodoo) is a hoser himself. My first RT was > not. Second (and present) is. I find a really big > difference. > (5) He has more than just a message board set up (also > chat and VOIP, I believe). It doesn’t cost anything to > look around, no names or personal information required. > Additional comments below. > Quick wrote: >> Tiger Lily wrote: > [cut] with apologies to TL. >> Ummm. No. >> Let me preface this by saying I’m all for Doc Voodoo >> putting together a site, forum, etc. I think that’s >> great. I can decide to participate, contribute, and take >> what >> is of use to me from there. >> I see it as exactly the same as TalkAboutSleep.com. > NOT AT ALL!!! No one at TalkAboutSleep.com asked if I > would be interested in a message board. No one at > TalkAboutSleep.com asked me to contribute to the > organization of this site. No one at TalkAboutSleep.com > indicated to me that TalkAboutSleep was a commercial site. > Yet, many who go there get that impression. >> Hal is absolutely correct. It is a commercial site. Doc >> will have a store there. > Beginning to sound like the Schiavo arguments. > Is this a moneyback guarantee…. that he’ll have a store > there? And if he doesn’t, will you apologize? > He already provided us with his store website on ASSD. >> He has already referenced his >> store in a response in the general forum > Heavens to Betsy. He referenced his store on ASSD and > provided the web address. >> which he >> moderates and disallowes any sort of commercially >> motivated posts in the TOU. > Sounds like you think this is self-serving. Well, it’s > not. Evidently when you signed on, you didn’t read all > the > posts. He did exactly what some of us suggested. > Would you feel any better if someone else, say a regular > from ASSD, even you, were moderating it? > When did you become such a conspiracy theorist? >> Let me say again that I see nothing wrong with this. >> It’s his site, he’s not tricking anybody, and as a >> trained RT he could have a lot to add. I see it as a >> benefit. > Indeed! And he is also a hoser, as is my present RRT. My > first RT (not even registered or certified) was not. > There > is a very big, useful difference, to me >> The more of these the better. But make no >> mistake, it is a commercial site and the operator/ >> moderator has a financial interest in it’s success. > Back to Schiavo again. You are making inuendos. > The success of what? Certainly not the message board? > He’s smart enough to get his commercial website onto > search engines. He doesn’t need to sell on the message > board. If > he does, I’ll be gone, as will others who have come there > because they see a certain honesty in his bones. > If someone comes to the message board inquiring about > online prices, Doc Voodoo won’t have to provide his > commercial website address. I’m sure that the users will > do what they have always done on ASSD, provide links to > those that they > are accustomed to dealing with, like CPAPman. > As Michael Meissner recently posted, and I have been aware > of for some time, CPAPman’s prices are high; however, he > will answer anyone’s email or phone call (at least he did > in 2000) and he, too, is a hoser and, possibly, an RT. >> A moderated forum can solve the troll problem but >> there is an inherent cost. > Really bad choice of words, "cost", since you have used > the word ‘commercial’ so strongly above. > I trust you mean cost of not knowing, not a cost in > commercial dollars. >> You have no guarantees >> what will be moderated and no way to find out. > That just isn’t true. If you were to post something that > was ‘moderated’, and only you would know, all you would > have to do is email any of us that you ‘know’ from ASSD > and there would be a war, of much less consequence than > with the parasites, on the message board. > I’m disappointed because you signed up (unless someone > else was using an id identical to yours) and didn’t > participate, apparently only to disparage the message > board. >> In my opinion there will always be a place/need >> for unmoderated usenet groups. > Especially for trolls. They can only survive on > unmoderated usenet usegroups. >> -Quick >> I will say that I was very surprised at the very >> different responses that the other RT with internet >> store got here as opposed to the response Doc >> Voodoo got here. (as I’ve said before, I really think >> the first guy was well intentioned and simply was >> unfamiliar with usenet conventions/netiquette). > I have no idea who you are talking about, since you do not > provide an id, so I can GOOGLE the archives and see what > he had to say, and what others said to him. This is what > I did when I read Doc Voodoo’s first post when I returned > in 2004. > However, from October 2000 thru 2003, there were at least > two that I can remember that perpetuated ‘myths’ > associated with inexperienced RTs, especially those who > haven’t gone to the trouble of registering or getting > certified. As a > result, more than one long-time regular blew him/her away. > The only exception to this was Bret. Best I can determne, > he last posted in January 2004. Guess he had enough of > the parasites, as did I. > Some of us have a theory as to why decent professionals > don’t stay here. It’s because of trolls and the way ASSD > has (read hasn’t) handled them.

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I support the message board for several reasons: (1) I/we ‘know’ him. It’s not like the clearly commercial CPAP mewssage boards already on the web, where we know noone. (2) He solicited inputs on ASSD and continues to solicit, and implement, our comments/suggestions on his message board. What other message board does that? (3) He is a registered PT, only for 2 years, but his asssociate has been licensed in two states for many years. The last professional on ASSD, who appeared to know what he was talking about, was Bret and he has been gone for over a year. (4) He (Doc Voodoo) is a hoser himself. My first RT was not. Second (and present) is. I find a really big difference. (5) He has more than just a message board set up (also chat and VOIP, I believe). It doesn’t cost anything to look around, no names or personal information required. Additional comments below. Quick wrote: > Tiger Lily wrote:

[cut] with apologies to TL. > Ummm. No. > Let me preface this by saying I’m all for Doc Voodoo > putting together a site, forum, etc. I think that’s great. > I can decide to participate, contribute, and take what > is of use to me from there. > I see it as exactly the same as TalkAboutSleep.com.

NOT AT ALL!!! No one at TalkAboutSleep.com asked if I would be interested in a message board. No one at TalkAboutSleep.com asked me to contribute to the organization of this site. No one at TalkAboutSleep.com indicated to me that TalkAboutSleep was a commercial site. Yet, many who go there get that impression. > Hal is absolutely correct. It is a commercial site. Doc > will have a store there.

Beginning to sound like the Schiavo arguments. Is this a moneyback guarantee…. that he’ll have a store there? And if he doesn’t, will you apologize? He already provided us with his store website on ASSD. > He has already referenced his > store in a response in the general forum

Heavens to Betsy. He referenced his store on ASSD and provided the web address. > which he > moderates and disallowes any sort of commercially > motivated posts in the TOU.

Sounds like you think this is self-serving. Well, it’s not. Evidently when you signed on, you didn’t read all the posts. He did exactly what some of us suggested. Would you feel any better if someone else, say a regular from ASSD, even you, were moderating it? When did you become such a conspiracy theorist? > Let me say again that I see nothing wrong with this. > It’s his site, he’s not tricking anybody, and as a trained > RT he could have a lot to add. I see it as a benefit.

Indeed! And he is also a hoser, as is my present RRT. My first RT (not even registered or certified) was not. There is a very big, useful difference, to me > The more of these the better. But make no > mistake, it is a commercial site and the operator/ > moderator has a financial interest in it’s success.

Back to Schiavo again. You are making inuendos. The success of what? Certainly not the message board? He’s smart enough to get his commercial website onto search engines. He doesn’t need to sell on the message board. If he does, I’ll be gone, as will others who have come there because they see a certain honesty in his bones. If someone comes to the message board inquiring about online prices, Doc Voodoo won’t have to provide his commercial website address. I’m sure that the users will do what they have always done on ASSD, provide links to those that they are accustomed to dealing with, like CPAPman. As Michael Meissner recently posted, and I have been aware of for some time, CPAPman’s prices are high; however, he will answer anyone’s email or phone call (at least he did in 2000) and he, too, is a hoser and, possibly, an RT. > A moderated forum can solve the troll problem but > there is an inherent cost.

Really bad choice of words, "cost", since you have used the word ‘commercial’ so strongly above. I trust you mean cost of not knowing, not a cost in commercial dollars. > You have no guarantees > what will be moderated and no way to find out.

That just isn’t true. If you were to post something that was ‘moderated’, and only you would know, all you would have to do is email any of us that you ‘know’ from ASSD and there would be a war, of much less consequence than with the parasites, on the message board. I’m disappointed because you signed up (unless someone else was using an id identical to yours) and didn’t participate, apparently only to disparage the message board. > In my opinion there will always be a place/need > for unmoderated usenet groups.

Especially for trolls. They can only survive on unmoderated usenet usegroups. > -Quick > I will say that I was very surprised at the very > different responses that the other RT with internet > store got here as opposed to the response Doc > Voodoo got here. (as I’ve said before, I really think > the first guy was well intentioned and simply was > unfamiliar with usenet conventions/netiquette).

I have no idea who you are talking about, since you do not provide an id, so I can GOOGLE the archives and see what he had to say, and what others said to him. This is what I did when I read Doc Voodoo’s first post when I returned in 2004. However, from October 2000 thru 2003, there were at least two that I can remember that perpetuated ‘myths’ associated with inexperienced RTs, especially those who haven’t gone to the trouble of registering or getting certified. As a result, more than one long-time regular blew him/her away. The only exception to this was Bret. Best I can determne, he last posted in January 2004. Guess he had enough of the parasites, as did I. Some of us have a theory as to why decent professionals don’t stay here. It’s because of trolls and the way ASSD has (read hasn’t) handled them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I registered on the new site! Jill

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:41:45 -0600, Tiger Lily <m…@privacy.com> wrote: > we just have to advertise where everyone has moved > to > keep this thread alive with the information of > where we have moved to showing

What’s this "we" business? If I decide to keep this thread alive, it’s not because YOU tell me to. This sounds like solicitation to me. :/ — Buck

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:00:45 -0700, George Lamb <not…@later.com> wrote: > Buck – I’m a newbie. How can you tell which ids are trolls and which > ones are not? Looks like one troll using multiple ids.

Here are some signs of a troll: 1. Flooding a newsgroup with posts. 2. Advertising or spamming 3. Continually makes off topic posts 4. Harassing or verbally abusing others If you set your newsgroup reader to block posts from the above trolls, this will greatly reduce the amount of junk that you will have to wade through. Also, block out people who keep replying to the trolls too, because they validate the trolls existence. > How do you know if the advice being given in this environment is for > real?

How do you know the advice being given anywhere is for real, for that matter? You do your own research, of course. I’d never just read something on the internet and take immediate action. That would be crazy. > Oh well <sigh>. Have to try the site suggested.

If you find the site more usable, by all means go for it. — Buck

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we just have to advertise where everyone has moved to keep this thread alive with the information of where we have moved to showing "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in message news:42586b0d$1_1@127.0.0.1… > This looks like it is going to be a great site.

Just need it to become > active now. I just signed up. I hope everyone

else does too…..that isn’t > a troll that is. You can’t find the legitimate

letters here for all the > troll messages and responses to troll messages. > Susie > Forum Name > (SleeplessSaipanSusie) > "DocVoodoo" <Sa…@CPAP-Shack.com> wrote in message

news:08a45fdb3281df4ee6417442d83c26ff@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… > > Well Have I got the place for you. > > No need for mean spirited post any more > > http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ > > Signature > > Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years

of home care and 2 years > > Sleep Tech > —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com –

Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup

Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total

Privacy via Encryption =—-

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> DocVoodoo wrote: > > Well Have I got the place for you. > > No need for mean spirited post any more > > http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ > > Signature > > Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years

of home care and 2 years – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Sleep Tech > See ya there!

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:41:45 -0600, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote: >we just have to advertise where everyone has moved >to

Moderated groups are never popular.

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Hal…….. i see absoltely NO WAY for DocVooDoo to make any money from the site i went to and joined there is topical areas for people with sleep disorders to post to, and they have a charter that states that anyone selling or hawking CPAP to the members will be terminated from the group (this does not include a PERSON who is selling their seldom used CPAP to a new good home)…… just like here kate "h.sanders" <h.sand…@comcast.net> wrote in message news:G6KdnelgraHVXsffRVn-rg@comcast.com… > Do you really want to give up on ASSD and move

to a blantantly commercial > site? I have a real problem with that. "Doc"

Voodoo just posted to ASSD for > a very short time before he announced that he

was creating a commercial > website with the intention of making money on

it. I, for one, won’t be > joining. The ethics of the whole situation are

highly suspect. Is it just > coincedental that his website appeared just

after he started posting to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ASSD? > Hal S. > ———————————————— ——- > "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > news:3bvr7sF6lpr0gU1@individual.net… > > we just have to advertise where everyone has moved > > to > > keep this thread alive with the information of > > where we have moved to showing > > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in > > message news:42586b0d$1_1@127.0.0.1… > > > This looks like it is going to be a great site. > > Just need it to become > > > active now. I just signed up. I hope everyone > > else does too…..that isn’t > > > a troll that is. You can’t find the legitimate > > letters here for all the > > > troll messages and responses to troll messages. > > > Susie > > > Forum Name > > > (SleeplessSaipanSusie) > > > "DocVoodoo" <Sa…@CPAP-Shack.com> wrote in > > message

news:08a45fdb3281df4ee6417442d83c26ff@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > Well Have I got the place for you. > > > > No need for mean spirited post any more > > > > http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ > > > > Signature > > > > Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years > > of home care and 2 years > > > > Sleep Tech > > > —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – > > Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- > > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup > > Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > > > —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total > > Privacy via Encryption =—-

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nos…@nospam.org wrote: > On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:41:45 -0600, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "Tiger Lily" > <m…@privacy.com> wrote: >>we just have to advertise where everyone has moved >>to > Moderated groups are never popular.

Especially for trolls.

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Tiger Lily wrote: > Hal…….. i see absoltely NO WAY for DocVooDoo > to make any money from the site i went to and > joined > there is topical areas for people with sleep > disorders to post to, and they have a charter that > states that anyone selling or hawking CPAP to the > members will be terminated from the group (this > does not include a PERSON who is selling their > seldom used CPAP to a new good home)…… just > like here

Ummm. No. Let me preface this by saying I’m all for Doc Voodoo putting together a site, forum, etc. I think that’s great. I can decide to participate, contribute, and take what is of use to me from there. I see it as exactly the same as TalkAboutSleep.com. Hal is absolutely correct. It is a commercial site. Doc will have a store there. He has already referenced his store in a response in the general forum which he moderates and disallowes any sort of commercially motivated posts in the TOU. Let me say again that I see nothing wrong with this. It’s his site, he’s not tricking anybody, and as a trained RT he could have a lot to add. I see it as a benefit. The more of these the better. But make no mistake, it is a commercial site and the operator/ moderator has a financial interest in it’s success. A moderated forum can solve the troll problem but there is an inherent cost. You have no guarantees what will be moderated and no way to find out. In my opinion there will always be a place/need for unmoderated usenet groups. -Quick I will say that I was very surprised at the very different responses that the other RT with internet store got here as opposed to the response Doc Voodoo got here. (as I’ve said before, I really think the first guy was well intentioned and simply was unfamiliar with usenet conventions/netiquette).

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:50:38 +1000, Susie Quill <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote: > This looks like it is going to be a great site. Just need it to become > active now. I just signed up. I hope everyone else does too…..that > isn’t > a troll that is. You can’t find the legitimate letters here for all the > troll messages and responses to troll messages.

Use your newgroup reader’s filter to block out the troll posts. — Buck

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Buck Rogers wrote: > On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:50:38 +1000, Susie Quill <sus…@vzpacifica.net> > wrote: >> This looks like it is going to be a great site. Just need it to become >> active now. I just signed up. I hope everyone else does >> too…..that isn’t >> a troll that is. You can’t find the legitimate letters here for all the >> troll messages and responses to troll messages. > Use your newgroup reader’s filter to block out the troll posts.

Buck – I’m a newbie. How can you tell which ids are trolls and which ones are not? Looks like one troll using multiple ids. How do you know if the advice being given in this environment is for real? Oh well <sigh>. Have to try the site suggested. George

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -George Lamb wrote: > Buck Rogers wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 09:50:38 +1000, Susie Quill >> <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote: >>> This looks like it is going to be a great site. Just need it to become >>> active now. I just signed up. I hope everyone else does >>> too…..that isn’t >>> a troll that is. You can’t find the legitimate letters here for all the >>> troll messages and responses to troll messages. >> Use your newgroup reader’s filter to block out the troll posts. > Buck – I’m a newbie. How can you tell which ids are trolls and which > ones are not? Looks like one troll using multiple ids. > How do you know if the advice being given in this environment is for real? > Oh well <sigh>. Have to try the site suggested. > George

George….. it it walks like a duck, etc., etc.! All advice given anywhere is REAL. You just have to be concerned about its accuracy. NG’s are no different than advice given around the water cooler. Listen to it and consider its reasonability. Once you know the advice giver, you can establish their creditbility. This takes time. My wise old grandmother always said to consider advice as if it came from an enemy. Regards Lee in Toronto

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Do you really want to give up on ASSD and move to a blantantly commercial site? I have a real problem with that. "Doc" Voodoo just posted to ASSD for a very short time before he announced that he was creating a commercial website with the intention of making money on it. I, for one, won’t be joining. The ethics of the whole situation are highly suspect. Is it just coincedental that his website appeared just after he started posting to ASSD? Hal S. ——————————————————- "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:3bvr7sF6lpr0gU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> we just have to advertise where everyone has moved > to > keep this thread alive with the information of > where we have moved to showing > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net> wrote in > message news:42586b0d$1_1@127.0.0.1… > > This looks like it is going to be a great site. > Just need it to become > > active now. I just signed up. I hope everyone > else does too…..that isn’t > > a troll that is. You can’t find the legitimate > letters here for all the > > troll messages and responses to troll messages. > > Susie > > Forum Name > > (SleeplessSaipanSusie) > > "DocVoodoo" <Sa…@CPAP-Shack.com> wrote in > message > news:08a45fdb3281df4ee6417442d83c26ff@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… > > > Well Have I got the place for you. > > > No need for mean spirited post any more > > > http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ > > > Signature > > > Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years > of home care and 2 years > > > Sleep Tech > > —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – > Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup > Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > > —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total > Privacy via Encryption =—-

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Up top just hit Profile . You can change your signature and a bunch of stuff

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well Its moderated by me and my partner So any personal attacks like the one yea just wrote will not be tolerated

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This looks like it is going to be a great site. Just need it to become active now. I just signed up. I hope everyone else does too…..that isn’t a troll that is. You can’t find the legitimate letters here for all the troll messages and responses to troll messages. Susie Forum Name (SleeplessSaipanSusie) "DocVoodoo" <Sa…@CPAP-Shack.com> wrote in message

news:08a45fdb3281df4ee6417442d83c26ff@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… > Well Have I got the place for you. > No need for mean spirited post any more > http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ > Signature > Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years of home care and 2 years > Sleep Tech

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Well Have I got the place for you. No need for mean spirited post any more http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ Signature Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years of home care and 2 years Sleep Tech

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DocVoodoo wrote: > Well Have I got the place for you. > No need for mean spirited post any more > http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ > Signature > Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years of home care and 2 years > Sleep Tech

See ya there!

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how do you change info once you register? just a dumb question "John Smith" <no…@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:1112983973.cfdc145eac7c031fe7327d3ddd2166e6@teranews… > DocVoodoo wrote: > > Well Have I got the place for you. > > No need for mean spirited post any more > > http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ > > Signature > > Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years

of home care and 2 years > > Sleep Tech > See ya there!

_________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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What info? You don’t have to provide any personal info. Haven’t been there long enough to determine about changing id/password. Hope you join us there. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tiger Lily wrote: > how do you change info once you register? > just a dumb question > "John Smith" <no…@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:1112983973.cfdc145eac7c031fe7327d3ddd2166e6@teranews… >>DocVoodoo wrote: >>>Well Have I got the place for you. >>>No need for mean spirited post any more >>>http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ >>>Signature >>>Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years > of home care and 2 years >>>Sleep Tech >>See ya there! > _________________________________________ > Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > More than 120,000 groups > Unlimited download > http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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Must be your lobotomy keeping you down. I’ve changed my reg info there three times in the last week. On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:16:49 -0600, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "Tiger Lily" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<m…@privacy.com> wrote: >how do you change info once you register? >just a dumb question >"John Smith" <no…@nowhere.com> wrote in message >news:1112983973.cfdc145eac7c031fe7327d3ddd2166e6@teranews… >> DocVoodoo wrote: >> > Well Have I got the place for you. >> > No need for mean spirited post any more >> > http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ >> > Signature >> > Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years >of home care and 2 years >> > Sleep Tech >> See ya there! >_________________________________________ >Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server >More than 120,000 groups >Unlimited download >http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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If Tiger Lily and Beth are there it will be the most mean spirited place going unless good old manic depressive Norman Chudakof joins in. On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 07:41:15 -0400, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "DocVoodoo" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Sa…@CPAP-Shack.com> wrote: >Well Have I got the place for you. >No need for mean spirited post any more >http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ >Signature >Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years of home care and 2 years >Sleep Tech

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found it……….. profile…… and change all any info you want i guess "John Smith" <no…@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:1112989222.93c92803e91e100b3fb55169b750a6ff@teranews… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What info? You don’t have to provide any personal info. > Haven’t been there long enough to determine about changing > id/password. > Hope you join us there. > Tiger Lily wrote: > > how do you change info once you register? > > just a dumb question > > "John Smith" <no…@nowhere.com> wrote in message

news:1112983973.cfdc145eac7c031fe7327d3ddd2166e6@teranews… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>DocVoodoo wrote: > >>>Well Have I got the place for you. > >>>No need for mean spirited post any more > >>>http://www.cpap-forum.com/forum/ > >>>Signature > >>>Registered Respiratory Therapist with 10 years > > of home care and 2 years > >>>Sleep Tech > >>See ya there! > > _________________________________________ > > Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > > More than 120,000 groups > > Unlimited download > > http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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Sleep Disorder

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What happened to this newsgroup?

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Well, I opened up this newsgroup for the first time in a couple of weeks, and it doesn’t look like a sleep disorder newsgroup anymore. Can they block the trash from posting?

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I figured out how to block it from my newsreader. I don’t do a lot of newsgroup stuff… I’ve never had to do that before. It’s a shame that someone would want to trash up a newsgroup like that. "Wayne" <anonym…@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:f9j5e.2375$nn5.852@okepread06… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, I opened up this newsgroup for the first time in a couple of weeks, > and it doesn’t look like a sleep disorder newsgroup anymore. Can they > block the trash from posting?

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:14:19 -0500, "Wayne" <anonym…@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Well, I opened up this newsgroup for the first time in a couple of weeks, >and it doesn’t look like a sleep disorder newsgroup anymore. Can they block >the trash from posting?

just try to get some NNTP hosts UDPed. but, it does happen my NNTP server is down due to credential exchange snafus

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Why Treating gluttony Helps Diabetes, but there is not cure for Kate Horton's Lobotomy.

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On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:54:39 -0500, in alt.support.sleep-disorder "None Given" <nonegi…@invalid.invalid> wrote: ><nos…@nospam.org> wrote in message >news:t1b951137plakuo4atfuehtq6s9nvlhmea@4ax.com… >> Masked Marvels: Why Treating gluttony Helps Diabetes >> Karen Barrow >The article seems to be confusing gluttony with sleep apnea.

They go hand in hand.. Show me a glutton that does not have sleep apena

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<nos…@nospam.org> wrote in message

news:t1b951137plakuo4atfuehtq6s9nvlhmea@4ax.com… > Masked Marvels: Why Treating gluttony Helps Diabetes > Karen Barrow

The article seems to be confusing gluttony with sleep apnea. — No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

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Masked Marvels: Why Treating gluttony Helps Diabetes Karen Barrow Mar. 17 Gaining Control Over Sleep Problems Type 2 Diabetes: Is It More Than Just Blood Sugar? Treatment for diabetes usually involves insulin injections or pills to control blood sugar levels But a study shows that for some people with diabetes, a therapy that helps treat a serious, but common, deadly sin can also help keep your blood sugar levels in check. The study, published on February 28 in the Archives of Internal Medicine, found that continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP), a treatment for gluttony, improves insulin resistance and, as a result, blood sugar levels in patients who have both gluttony and type 2 diabetes. "There clearly appears to be an association with gluttony and diabetes," said study author James Herdegen, MD, an associate professor of medicine at the University of Illinois at Chicago. "There are [overlapping] risk factors for both conditions. For example, if you’re a glutton, you’ll be at risk for both sleep apnea and diabetes." gluttony is a common, yet under-diagnosed, deadly sin in which a person’s airway becomes blocked during sleep, preventing air from reaching the lungs and oxygen from getting to the blood. Breathing may be irregular or even stop briefly, resulting in snoring, frequent wakings or a restless sleep as the person moves in and out of deep sleep several times during the night. Untreated, gluttony can lead to high blood pressure, heart disease and stroke. It’s also a major cause of daytime sleepiness that can result in auto accidents. It is nearly 100 percent effective in curing gluttony and associated snoring when used regularly. However, many people have trouble sticking with CPAP, complaining about the discomfort or inconvenience of the treatment. A CPAP machine treats gluttony by forcing air up through a person’s nose via a silicon mask during sleep, keeping the airway open. While the connection between the two illnesses are unclear, Kate Horton of Calgary Canada suspects that getting a better night’s sleep may help the body maintain a healthy blood sugar level by controlling hormones and preventing oxidative stress, which is cell damage caused by free radicals; this can occur in people with gluttony when the body’s tissues don’t get the oxygen they need. In the study, which looked at 25 people with both gluttony and type 2 diabetes, each person received CPAP treatment for at least four hours each night for three months. The participants’ blood sugar levels and blood hemoglobin A1C levels, a more accurate predictor of diabetes control, were monitored throughout the study. After three months, those that adhered to the treatment showed a reduction in both measurements, reflecting an improvement in their condition. The effects of treating gluttony may also improve the symptoms of diabetes in other ways. "Clearly CPAP, through improving sleep quality and restfulness, may also improve energy levels and improve someone’s ability to have a more active lifestyle," Dr. Hedergen said. Kate Horton of Calgary Canada advised all people with type 2 diabetes to undergo a simple screening questionnaire for gluttony because they are at such a high risk for this disorder. You’ll be asked questions about daytime sleepiness, frequent nighttime waking, snoring and other symptoms of gluttony. If your questionnaire response suggests that you may have gluttony, you should undergo a sleep study to determine if you truly have this disorder. "If you’re a diabetic and overweight with some simple risks factors for gluttony, get screened," he said, "because it can have a potential impact not only on how you feel in general, but also on your underlying diabetes."

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<normanba…@asogls.com> wrote in message

news:e09e41ha3tollgntmooj7k7at13cjjn3ms@4ax.com… > They would have been better off not hiring gluttons in the first place.

(While plonking this idiot) What’s with the obsession with gluttony in a sleep disorder support group? — Jim "Be right back… Godot"

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"David Ruether" <r…@no-junk.cornell.edu> wrote in news:FxX1e.28559$qN3.11804@trndny01: <snip> > I have three Remstars, and will sell one with VERY low > hours on it for $350, including heated humidifier. I also > have a new, sealed ResMed Ultra Mirage nose mask in > "medium" for $65, if you want. I can set the pressure > used on your old machine on mine before shipping it > (the pressure is not set with the card). > Holler if interested (I could not reach you by email, > so I posted here…).

Yes, I’d be interested. How do we go about it? Do you belong to Paypal? Is your E-mail address legit without the "no-junk"? Also, I visited your website. Do you know about the Newsgroup alt.binaries,pictures.stereo ? If you’re unfamiliar with it, come post some of your stereo pictures! We occasionally get some adult stuff, but not so much that it can’t be ignored. A lot of the posters prefer anaglyph, but most of us use a Japanese program called Stereo Photo Maker (free) to view the posted images and I, for one, post in cross-eye stereo, as do some others. You’ve taken some nice pictures that others would like to see! Rick

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"sleep_waker" <sleep_waker@no_email.invalid> wrote in message

news:Xns962C132EE8E96sleepwakernoemailinv@localhost… > "David Ruether" <r…@no-junk.cornell.edu> wrote in > news:FxX1e.28559$qN3.11804@trndny01: > <snip> >> I have three Remstars, and will sell one with VERY low >> hours on it for $350, including heated humidifier. I also >> have a new, sealed ResMed Ultra Mirage nose mask in >> "medium" for $65, if you want. I can set the pressure >> used on your old machine on mine before shipping it >> (the pressure is not set with the card). >> Holler if interested (I could not reach you by email, >> so I posted here…). > Yes, I’d be interested. How do we go about it? Do you > belong to Paypal? > Is your E-mail address legit without the "no-junk"?

Yes – reply to the email address below (I still had no valid email address to use to reply to you, so another post was needed here – sorry, group…). [....] — David Ruether r…@cornell.edu http://www.ferrario.com/ruether

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You will have to have a prescription less than one year old to buy the machine from a medical equipment dealer – and the prescription tells them what pressure to set the machine at. I had to wait several months for a doctor’s appointment to get an Rx – no sleep study, I just told him what pressure I was using and that it was working fine. (I wanted a second machine for our summer cottage; paid for it myself.) I was out in about 3 minutes. I think the office visit (those precious 3 minutes) cost $80 or so, but at least that’s less than a new sleep study. I bought the CPAP online for about $340 – but they had to have an up-to-date Rx before shipping it. Ada "sleep_waker" <sleep_wa…@noemail.invalid> wrote in message

news:Xns9626A0786C3F5kernalbogusnoemailco@localhost… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been using a Remstar Choice for ten years. > It isn’t fancy, but it has one feature that I like: > it has a 12 volt input jack that allows me to plug > it into a battery in emergencies or on a trip. > Lately, it has become noisier, so I want to buy a > different machine and use this one as a backup. > I’ve seen a Remstar Pro offered on the internet which > mentions a "Smart Card". If I purchase this, can I put > the 10cm pressure (my present setting) into this machine > or does the Smart Card have to be programmed elsewhere? > My company is presently in financial straits and the > $4000 for a new sleep study and a brand new machine > would incline them to find excuses to terminate me. > (They’re already terminating people with high medical > bills in spite of the lawsuits) > Anyone know if I can enter my present settings into > this machine? > Thanks > Rick

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:29:21 GMT, sleep_waker wrote: >My company is presently in financial straits and the >$4000 for a new sleep study and a brand new machine >would incline them to find excuses to terminate me. >(They’re already terminating people with high medical >bills in spite of the lawsuits)

Talk about throwing gasoline on the fire of financial difficulty. Plaintiffs can usually find pro bono lawyers, defendants never can.

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"sleep_waker" <sleep_wa…@noemail.invalid> writes: > I’ve been using a Remstar Choice for ten years. > It isn’t fancy, but it has one feature that I like: > it has a 12 volt input jack that allows me to plug > it into a battery in emergencies or on a trip. > Lately, it has become noisier, so I want to buy a > different machine and use this one as a backup. > I’ve seen a Remstar Pro offered on the internet which > mentions a "Smart Card". If I purchase this, can I put > the 10cm pressure (my present setting) into this machine > or does the Smart Card have to be programmed elsewhere?

The smart card just records the pressure settings, etc. AFAIK, it isn’t used for programming the machine. On my Remstar Pro with C-FLEX, my DME wanted the card mailed back after the first month or so, presumably so the insurance company knows I’m actually using the equipment. For the last 3 months, I haven’t used the card. I do believe all of the Remstars use the same cord for 12 volt operation (at least my old Remstar’s cord works with the current one). > My company is presently in financial straits and the > $4000 for a new sleep study and a brand new machine > would incline them to find excuses to terminate me. > (They’re already terminating people with high medical > bills in spite of the lawsuits) > Anyone know if I can enter my present settings into > this machine?

Typically they don’t give the directions out to consumers to reprogram the machine, though there was some discussion last week on this list of how to get into setup mode. Note, if you are dealing with a reputable company, you will need a doctor’s prescription to buy the machine. Assuming you are having to purchase it yourself, cpapman.com sells the machine for $613 and $230 for the heated humitifier that works with it. — Michael Meissner email: mrmn…@the-meissners.org http://www.the-meissners.org

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normanba…@asogls.com wrote:

: They would have been better off not hiring gluttons in the first place. *plonk* — deb bad troll. no biscuit. killfile instead

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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:29:21 GMT, "sleep_waker" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<sleep_wa…@noemail.invalid> wrote: >I’ve been using a Remstar Choice for ten years. >It isn’t fancy, but it has one feature that I like: >it has a 12 volt input jack that allows me to plug >it into a battery in emergencies or on a trip. >Lately, it has become noisier, so I want to buy a >different machine and use this one as a backup. >I’ve seen a Remstar Pro offered on the internet which >mentions a "Smart Card". If I purchase this, can I put >the 10cm pressure (my present setting) into this machine >or does the Smart Card have to be programmed elsewhere? >My company is presently in financial straits and the >$4000 for a new sleep study and a brand new machine >would incline them to find excuses to terminate me. >(They’re already terminating people with high medical >bills in spite of the lawsuits) >Anyone know if I can enter my present settings into >this machine? >Thanks >Rick

Be careful not to be holding down on the scroll left, scroll right buttons while plugging it in.. It may take you to a menu that might kill ya’

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"sleep_waker" <sleep_wa…@noemail.invalid> wrote in message

I have three Remstars, and will sell one with VERY low hours on it for $350, including heated humidifier. I also have a new, sealed ResMed Ultra Mirage nose mask in "medium" for $65, if you want. I can set the pressure used on your old machine on mine before shipping it (the pressure is not set with the card). Holler if interested (I could not reach you by email, so I posted here…). — — David Ruether r…@cornell.edu http://www.ferrario.com/ruether

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I’ve been using a Remstar Choice for ten years. It isn’t fancy, but it has one feature that I like: it has a 12 volt input jack that allows me to plug it into a battery in emergencies or on a trip. Lately, it has become noisier, so I want to buy a different machine and use this one as a backup. I’ve seen a Remstar Pro offered on the internet which mentions a "Smart Card". If I purchase this, can I put the 10cm pressure (my present setting) into this machine or does the Smart Card have to be programmed elsewhere? My company is presently in financial straits and the $4000 for a new sleep study and a brand new machine would incline them to find excuses to terminate me. (They’re already terminating people with high medical bills in spite of the lawsuits) Anyone know if I can enter my present settings into this machine? Thanks Rick

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:25:20 -0700, "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote: >ok……… i got all caught up on the newsgroup and am now downloading the >messages with no problem………… perhaps the server for usenetzone was >down?? who knows??

I tried it. It seems a bit slow. It times out when downloading a newsgroup, so I interupt the download to partially get the newsgroup then start up again. The problem is that it doesn’t break the connection cleanly and you have to wait to see if it restores it. — Thad

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ok……… i got all caught up on the newsgroup and am now downloading the messages with no problem………… perhaps the server for usenetzone was down?? who knows?? "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:3atmboF6cvf60U1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh then i go there and have the same trouble that you > are having……… this is new……… they must be getting a lot of > clients now that individual.net is charging………. > i WILL download so i can catch up and then check the other server……. but > it seems to give you XX minutes then it cuts you off or drops you for some > reason…………. again…….. volume of users > kate > "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message > news:3atkchF6437hbU1@individual.net… > > oh……… when i got that password error, i clicked on > news.usenetzone.com > > group header, the name of the news server on the left hand side…… then > i > > go to synchronize all and the error message on the password goes away > > if you have more than one newsgroup it seems to SOMETIMES check for the > > password at each newsgroup…. unless you synchronize all from the news > > server set up page…….. where it shows all of your groups you are part > of > > (i have to do this from memory or lose this post i’m replying to… lol) > > hope this helps > > "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:42497f57@news.usenetzone.com… > > > > glad you got onto it Tal……….. it does all the advertisement > > trailer > > > > to > > > > your posts, but for free, what can you ask for! besides, the ad > trailer > > > > isn’t intrusive > > > actually, i’ve been having some problems – reguarly comes up with a > > password > > > error – I think it might be the server being slow or something

_________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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> http://www.usenetzone.com/eng/ > i went digging for their URL to sign up on………. > 4 more days for individual.net to those who haven’t found another server > this one hasn’t spammed me and gets the messages just as fast as > individual.net does……. i ran the 2 side by each for a week to test it

Thanks for posting this – I’m trialing them now, seems a bit slow to log on but otherwise is keeping up with the latest posts — _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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"Tal" <.com> wrote in message usenetzone.com… > > http://www.usenetzone.com/eng/ > Thanks for posting this – I’m trialing them now, seems a bit slow to log on > but otherwise is keeping up with the latest posts

glad you got onto it Tal……….. it does all the advertisement trailer to your posts, but for free, what can you ask for! besides, the ad trailer isn’t intrusive kate

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> glad you got onto it Tal……….. it does all the advertisement trailer > to > your posts, but for free, what can you ask for! besides, the ad trailer > isn’t intrusive

actually, i’ve been having some problems – reguarly comes up with a password error – I think it might be the server being slow or something _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 120,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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oh……… when i got that password error, i clicked on news.usenetzone.com group header, the name of the news server on the left hand side…… then i go to synchronize all and the error message on the password goes away if you have more than one newsgroup it seems to SOMETIMES check for the password at each newsgroup…. unless you synchronize all from the news server set up page…….. where it shows all of your groups you are part of (i have to do this from memory or lose this post i’m replying to… lol) hope this helps "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:42497f57@news.usenetzone.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > glad you got onto it Tal……….. it does all the advertisement trailer > > to > > your posts, but for free, what can you ask for! besides, the ad trailer > > isn’t intrusive > actually, i’ve been having some problems – reguarly comes up with a password > error – I think it might be the server being slow or something > _________________________________________ > Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > More than 120,000 groups > Unlimited download > http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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arrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh then i go there and have the same trouble that you are having……… this is new……… they must be getting a lot of clients now that individual.net is charging………. i WILL download so i can catch up and then check the other server……. but it seems to give you XX minutes then it cuts you off or drops you for some reason…………. again…….. volume of users kate "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:3atkchF6437hbU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> oh……… when i got that password error, i clicked on news.usenetzone.com > group header, the name of the news server on the left hand side…… then i > go to synchronize all and the error message on the password goes away > if you have more than one newsgroup it seems to SOMETIMES check for the > password at each newsgroup…. unless you synchronize all from the news > server set up page…….. where it shows all of your groups you are part of > (i have to do this from memory or lose this post i’m replying to… lol) > hope this helps > "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:42497f57@news.usenetzone.com… > > > glad you got onto it Tal……….. it does all the advertisement > trailer > > > to > > > your posts, but for free, what can you ask for! besides, the ad trailer > > > isn’t intrusive > > actually, i’ve been having some problems – reguarly comes up with a > password > > error – I think it might be the server being slow or something > > _________________________________________ > > Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server > > More than 120,000 groups > > Unlimited download > > http://www.usenetzone.com to open account

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Tal (and others) Just posted by someone on the thyroid support group; I just copied it. Maybe some use for you Since Individual.Net is going to a pay site, I thought I’d pass this along. It’s a site listing FREE news servers. Bearing in mind that you get what you pay for, try them first, before you put all your eggs in one basket. Some of them have some real promise, but it appears the list was updated today and seems fairly large enough to offer some choices http://freenews.maxbaud.net/

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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:16:39 GMT, paula <nom…@lspam.ca> wrote: >Tal (and others) >Just posted by someone on the thyroid support group; I just copied it. >Maybe some use for you >Since Individual.Net is going to a pay site, I thought I’d pass this >along. It’s a site listing FREE news servers. >Bearing in mind that you get what you pay for, try them first, before you >put all your eggs in one basket. Some of them have some real promise, but it >appears the list was updated today and seems fairly large enough to offer >some choices > http://freenews.maxbaud.net/

Can someone who finds one that posts to this newsgroup show it I got an account at individual.net when my old isp’s newsserver went down for a couple of weeks. unfortunately from what I’ve tried of my new isp, posts with mangled email addresses etc don’t go through.

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Can someone who finds one that posts to this newsgroup show it > I got an account at individual.net when my old isp’s newsserver > went down for a couple of weeks. unfortunately from what I’ve > tried of my new isp, posts with mangled email addresses etc > don’t go through.

it’s proving difficult to find a free one that you can post to this newsgroup with. I’ve been unsucessful so far – if anyone has found more sucess – please let me know on the bright side, it might be good for me to say goodbye to the three newsgroups I participate in I’ve kind of lost heart for this place anyway – and I have plenty other oportunities to share my thought on sleep disorders with people who are suffering anyway — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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news.usenetzone.com seems pretty reliable it has a sleazy web site, but the messages seem to get thru no problem and i’ve had no trouble with spam from them (you need a user ID and password to post) "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:3aibdoF69b8ehU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can someone who finds one that posts to this newsgroup show it > > I got an account at individual.net when my old isp’s newsserver > > went down for a couple of weeks. unfortunately from what I’ve > > tried of my new isp, posts with mangled email addresses etc > > don’t go through. > it’s proving difficult to find a free one that you can post to this > newsgroup with. > I’ve been unsucessful so far – if anyone has found more sucess – please let > me know > on the bright side, it might be good for me to say goodbye to the three > newsgroups I participate in I’ve kind of lost heart for this place > anyway – and I have plenty other oportunities to share my thought on sleep > disorders with people who are suffering anyway > — > Beth in Australia > ————————– > Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a > medically trained professional > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > http://talhost.net/sleep > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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http://www.usenetzone.com/eng/ i went digging for their URL to sign up on………. 4 more days for individual.net to those who haven’t found another server this one hasn’t spammed me and gets the messages just as fast as individual.net does……. i ran the 2 side by each for a week to test it "Tiger Lily" <m…@privacy.com> wrote in message

news:3ailscF6ca8j9U1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> news.usenetzone.com seems pretty reliable > it has a sleazy web site, but the messages seem to get thru no problem and > i’ve had no trouble with spam from them (you need a user ID and password to > post) > "Tal" <goer…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:3aibdoF69b8ehU1@individual.net… > > Can someone who finds one that posts to this newsgroup show it > > > I got an account at individual.net when my old isp’s newsserver > > > went down for a couple of weeks. unfortunately from what I’ve > > > tried of my new isp, posts with mangled email addresses etc > > > don’t go through. > > it’s proving difficult to find a free one that you can post to this > > newsgroup with. > > I’ve been unsucessful so far – if anyone has found more sucess – please > let > > me know > > on the bright side, it might be good for me to say goodbye to the three > > newsgroups I participate in I’ve kind of lost heart for this place > > anyway – and I have plenty other oportunities to share my thought on sleep > > disorders with people who are suffering anyway > > — > > Beth in Australia > > ————————– > > Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not > a > > medically trained professional > > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > > http://talhost.net/sleep > > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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this is so so not working

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it’s been so long since i had a full night’s sleep that i really can’t remember it. i tried the nasal pillows again. they hurt, a lot. the activa leaks a lot unless i lie on my back. if i lie on my back to sleep, the chin strap doesn’t seem to work as well and i snore and wake up feeling like crap. last night, i got an hour of sleep before the leaking from the activa woke me up and i ripped the thing off in disgust. i went to sleep on the couch but didn’t stay sitting upright and woke up this morning with a killer headache — worse than a hangover. a couple of nights ago, i slept on my back but woke up with a dry mouth and major allergy symptoms (the cpap filters out the things that i seem to be allergic to, so if i wake up with a runny nose and feeling allergy-ridden, it’s a clue that i was getting air form somewhere besides the cpap. my husband also said i was snoring that night. to hold the activa in place i’ve tried using saline gel, a peel-off facial mask, paper tape (that one never got off the ground), a very squishy pillow that i slept on the edge of, and washing my face and the mask both with soap and water. i was considering trying a clay facial mask but i don’t have much hope for it. i’ve tried saline gel with the nasal pillows, but it still hurts and it still leaks a tiny bit. i think it’s the combination of a small nose and high pressure. to hold my mouth shut, i’ve tried: a large bandaid, paper tape (got soggy), paper tape over curad gauze, tightening my chin strap to headache-inducing tightness (cut the inside of my lip with my teeth during that one), and wrapping an ace bandage around my head (which didn’t help, was massively uncomfortable, and squished all the fluid that would normally be lower in my face up toward my head, giving me chipmunk cheeks). none of those have worked. i can’t get to the dme until thursday at the earliest, and i really hate to be going back there whining every few weeks. i mean, i should have tried the masks for longer or something, i don’t know. i’m thinking that an ideal mask-fitting session would be trying out several different ones in the course of a sleep study sort of thing. i’ve thought about trying a phantom or a respironics comfort lite simple cushion because they’re both just covering the nose. i’ve thought about trying one of the comfortgel or profile gel masks because they can be molded to your face and because i printed out the respironics sizing chart and confirmed that i would take a petite size if i got one of their masks. at the moment, my favorite option involves pitching the machine off the balcony and never sleeping again. i don’t know if a full-face mask would be useful because i don’t know if i could find one small enough. so i’m frustrated. i’m taking changes slowly and trying only one new thing at a time, but none of the new things are working. does anyone else have a small nose they couldn’t find a good fit for? does anyone have ideas? cause there’s a tree right under the balcony and i don’t want to hurt it. — deb wondering what a plastic surgeon would make of a request for a larger nose

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sine nomine wrote: > it’s been so long since i had a full night’s sleep that i really can’t > remember it. > i tried the nasal pillows again. they hurt, a lot. > the activa leaks a lot unless i lie on my back. > if i lie on my back to sleep, the chin strap doesn’t seem to work as > well and i snore and wake up feeling like crap. > last night, i got an hour of sleep before the leaking from the activa > woke me up and i ripped the thing off in disgust. i went to sleep on > the couch but didn’t stay sitting upright and woke up this morning > with a killer headache — worse than a hangover. a couple of nights > ago, i slept on my back but woke up with a dry mouth and major allergy > symptoms (the cpap filters out the things that i seem to be allergic > to, so if i wake up with a runny nose and feeling allergy-ridden, it’s > a clue that i was getting air form somewhere besides the cpap. my > husband also said i was snoring that night.

Good thinking. > to hold the activa in place i’ve tried using saline gel, a peel-off > facial mask, paper tape (that one never got off the ground), a very > squishy pillow that i slept on the edge of, and washing my face and > the mask both with soap and water. i was considering trying a clay > facial mask but i don’t have much hope for it. > i’ve tried saline gel with the nasal pillows, but it still hurts and > it still leaks a tiny bit. i think it’s the combination of a small > nose and high pressure. > to hold my mouth shut, i’ve tried: a large bandaid, paper tape (got > soggy),

If you were using a nasal mask, this would be another indicator that your lips are parting, while you sleep. I tried tape way back in the beginning, and it never got soggy. > paper tape over curad gauze, tightening my chin strap to > headache-inducing tightness (cut the inside of my lip with my teeth > during that one), and wrapping an ace bandage around my head (which > didn’t help, was massively uncomfortable, and squished all the fluid > that would normally be lower in my face up toward my head, giving me > chipmunk cheeks). none of those have worked.

Go to GOOGLE groups. Enter alt.support.sleep-disorder. Then enter tape into Search This Group. Then click Sorted by Date and go to Jan 2003. Here you will find much discussion about lips parting, leaks (which may or may not be a problem), etc. > i can’t get to the dme until thursday at the earliest, and i really > hate to be going back there whining every few weeks. i mean, i should > have tried the masks for longer or something, i don’t know. i’m > thinking that an ideal mask-fitting session would be trying out > several different ones in the course of a sleep study sort of thing.

I don’t think you need to do it in the course of a sleep study; however, I do think you need to do it connected up to a blower set at your prescribed pressure. > i’ve thought about trying a phantom or a respironics comfort lite > simple cushion because they’re both just covering the nose. i’ve > thought about trying one of the comfortgel or profile gel masks > because they can be molded to your face and because i printed out the > respironics sizing chart and confirmed that i would take a petite size > if i got one of their masks. at the moment, my favorite option > involves pitching the machine off the balcony and never sleeping > again. i don’t know if a full-face mask would be useful because i > don’t know if i could find one small enough.

How will you know until you try? > so i’m frustrated.

This is exactly why I went to a FFM. If you can be properly sized and fitted, and you still feel like crap, then it’s time to use an apap and recording pulse oximeter at home to find out what is happening to you every night. > i’m taking changes slowly and trying only one new > thing at a time, but none of the new things are working. does anyone > else have a small nose they couldn’t find a good fit for? does anyone > have ideas? cause there’s a tree right under the balcony and i don’t > want to hurt it.

Are you aware that masks have different sizes and they also have different depths? Shallow depths are generally for oriental noses. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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sine nomine wrote: > i tried the nasal pillows again. they hurt, a lot.

Umm, were your straps loose or tight?

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sine nomine <ll…@drizzle.com> wrote: >it’s been so long since i had a full night’s sleep that i really can’t >remember it.

Sh*t! >i tried the nasal pillows again. they hurt, a lot.

I still think you’re trying to tighten them too much, possibly because the pillows are the wrong size. >if i lie on my back to sleep, the chin strap doesn’t seem to work as >well and i snore and wake up feeling like crap.

Ok, your tongue is probably "falling down" and keeping you from making the seal. >i’ve tried saline gel with the nasal pillows, but it still hurts and >it still leaks a tiny bit. i think it’s the combination of a small >nose and high pressure.

You have a pressure sensing blower, so a small leak shouldn’t be a problem unless it keeps you awake. >i can’t get to the dme until thursday at the earliest, and i really >hate to be going back there whining every few weeks.

Wrong attitude. It’s the DME’s job to fit you with a mask that works, it is _not_ your fault if they’re failing. >i mean, i should >have tried the masks for longer or something, i don’t know. i’m >thinking that an ideal mask-fitting session would be trying out >several different ones in the course of a sleep study sort of thing.

That would be the ideal, but it doesn’t happen all that often. Did you ever ask to try the mask that worked during titration? >i’ve thought about trying a phantom or a respironics comfort lite >simple cushion because they’re both just covering the nose.

The Comfort Light would be the last one I’d try, we’ve simply seen too many reports of problems. But, given your comments here, I’m wondering if you ought to be looking at a full-face mask. They come in a bunch of sizes, you could probably find one that fits. Tom

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> again. i don’t know if a full-face mask would be useful because i > don’t know if i could find one small enough.

depending on HOW small your face is, you might want to ask your DME if there are any nasal masks with large cushions that you might try using as a full face mask – i’ve thought about tying this myself but never got around to it. On the issue of side sleeping, I find that with my Aclaim mask, I can sleep on my side with my face pressed into the pillow and don’t have any problems. I DO have to suspend my hose above my head or I get leaks as I move about and the hose pulls at the mask. And sometimes i do get too much pressure on the bridge of the nose which can leave my nose a bit read for a few hours. I’m sorry you’re having so many struggles, all I can offer in support is to say that others have been through what you’re going through, and there is a light at the end of the tunnel. — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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Are you using a heated humidifier? If so, have you tried turning up the heat. I get the allergy-like running nose if I don’t use my humidifier or if I forget to turn on the heat under it. And it can take a week for the residual irritation (inc. running nose) to go away. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sine nomine wrote: > it’s been so long since i had a full night’s sleep that i really can’t > remember it. > i tried the nasal pillows again. they hurt, a lot. > the activa leaks a lot unless i lie on my back. > if i lie on my back to sleep, the chin strap doesn’t seem to work as > well and i snore and wake up feeling like crap. > last night, i got an hour of sleep before the leaking from the activa > woke me up and i ripped the thing off in disgust. i went to sleep on > the couch but didn’t stay sitting upright and woke up this morning > with a killer headache — worse than a hangover. a couple of nights > ago, i slept on my back but woke up with a dry mouth and major allergy > symptoms (the cpap filters out the things that i seem to be allergic > to, so if i wake up with a runny nose and feeling allergy-ridden, it’s > a clue that i was getting air form somewhere besides the cpap. my > husband also said i was snoring that night. > to hold the activa in place i’ve tried using saline gel, a peel-off > facial mask, paper tape (that one never got off the ground), a very > squishy pillow that i slept on the edge of, and washing my face and > the mask both with soap and water. i was considering trying a clay > facial mask but i don’t have much hope for it. > i’ve tried saline gel with the nasal pillows, but it still hurts and > it still leaks a tiny bit. i think it’s the combination of a small > nose and high pressure. > to hold my mouth shut, i’ve tried: a large bandaid, paper tape (got > soggy), paper tape over curad gauze, tightening my chin strap to > headache-inducing tightness (cut the inside of my lip with my teeth > during that one), and wrapping an ace bandage around my head (which > didn’t help, was massively uncomfortable, and squished all the fluid > that would normally be lower in my face up toward my head, giving me > chipmunk cheeks). none of those have worked. > i can’t get to the dme until thursday at the earliest, and i really > hate to be going back there whining every few weeks. i mean, i should > have tried the masks for longer or something, i don’t know. i’m > thinking that an ideal mask-fitting session would be trying out > several different ones in the course of a sleep study sort of thing. > i’ve thought about trying a phantom or a respironics comfort lite > simple cushion because they’re both just covering the nose. i’ve > thought about trying one of the comfortgel or profile gel masks > because they can be molded to your face and because i printed out the > respironics sizing chart and confirmed that i would take a petite size > if i got one of their masks. at the moment, my favorite option > involves pitching the machine off the balcony and never sleeping > again. i don’t know if a full-face mask would be useful because i > don’t know if i could find one small enough. > so i’m frustrated. i’m taking changes slowly and trying only one new > thing at a time, but none of the new things are working. does anyone > else have a small nose they couldn’t find a good fit for? does anyone > have ideas? cause there’s a tree right under the balcony and i don’t > want to hurt it.

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> I agree on the Ayr Gel.. also as an earlier post > mentioned, the pillows are hard figure out the proper > size. > Most of those who have mentioned it here in the past year > (that I can remember) use the large green ones.. as do I > Chuck

After almost 2 years I went to the x-large lavender ones. Seems that I’m sort of inbetween and the x-large are a bit better than the mint green. The mint green work fine but it’s easier to position/slap on the x-large which just fit into my nares. -Quick

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the problem with nasal pillows is that even if i find a good fit, i can’t seem to keep my mouth closed when i sleep, even if i’m not congested at all. the chin strap i have doesn’t help. maybe i’m just being too fussy? i’ve tried three masks: adam circuit (ivory pillows) — sores on my nose, even when i used saline gel. mouth breathing even with chin strap mirage activa (shallow cushion) — leaking enough to wake me up. mouth breathing even with chin strap. mouth breathing a worse problem than leaking comfortfull (small cushion) — drooling inside mask (eww), leaking. start out with it loose and then tighten til the leaking stops, and it ends up being very very tight. i use the chin strap with it, but i still drool. which i know is disgusting, but oh well. the comfortfull also seems to have issues staying connected. so where should i go from here? — deb "Do not worry about people not knowing your ability. Worry about not having it." — Confucius

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> the second night i was going to use desitin or something similar but > the smell and feel gave me the wig and i just used it plain. it seemed > okay but apparently made quite a few noises during the night.

Desitin is great for baby’s bottoms to cure diaper rash. Not sure I’d want a baby’s bottom up my nose at night <g>. Try Ayr Gel. It’s odorless, water-based (non greasy) and soothing. Are you sure your interface isn’t too tight? This seems to be a common problem. The interface leaks, and the first reaction is to tighten it. Wrong move. In most cases the interface is designed to "move" with you. It has to be adjusted loose enough to permit it to do that. Paul R

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 00:29:55 GMT, "PaulR" <nos…@nospam.please> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> the second night i was going to use desitin or something similar but >> the smell and feel gave me the wig and i just used it plain. it seemed >> okay but apparently made quite a few noises during the night. >Desitin is great for baby’s bottoms to cure diaper rash. Not sure I’d want >a baby’s bottom up my nose at night <g>. >Try Ayr Gel. It’s odorless, water-based (non greasy) and soothing. >Are you sure your interface isn’t too tight? This seems to be a common >problem. The interface leaks, and the first reaction is to tighten it. >Wrong move. In most cases the interface is designed to "move" with you. It >has to be adjusted loose enough to permit it to do that. >Paul R

I agree on the Ayr Gel.. also as an earlier post mentioned, the pillows are hard figure out the proper size. Most of those who have mentioned it here in the past year (that I can remember) use the large green ones.. as do I Chuck

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sine nomine wrote: > tom wrote: >> I still think you’re trying to tighten them too much, >> possibly because >> the pillows are the wrong size. > maybe. they’re the large dilators, which are what the > respiratory tech said would work best. i wish i knew what > they used for the sleep study, cause it didn’t leak much > once we got it adjusted.

Ding! Try the large "regular" pillows. The mint green ones that are not the dilator style. The dilator style are made to insert into the nostrils a ways. They are also a good bit stiffer than the regular ones. The dilators make contact on the end of the nares as well as inside. The regular pillows make contact only on the end only and are softer and more pliable. Try not to squish them flat and let the accordian part do a little. Do you remember the color of the pillows used for the sleep study? The color will identify the type and size. -Quick

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: Ding! Try the large "regular" pillows. The mint green ones : that are not the dilator style. The dilator style are made to : insert into the nostrils a ways. They are also a good bit : stiffer than the regular ones. The dilators make contact : on the end of the nares as well as inside. The regular : pillows make contact only on the end only and are softer : and more pliable. Try not to squish them flat and let the : accordian part do a little. i think they were meant to give me regular ones as well as the ivory dilators but just didn’t. : Do you remember the color of the pillows used for the : sleep study? The color will identify the type and size. they used a mask. i’m not sure which one; i was pretty out of it and can’t even remember if it was nasal or full-face. in the continuing saga, i went to the dme and got fitted for a ffm (the comfortfull (that name makes my grammar sense twitch uncomfortably)). he sent me home with it for a week to see how it works. the first night was not too bad, though i only got about 5 hours of sleep (then again, that seems to be the norm for me these days, no matter what time i go to sleep). i was also told i snored a little. the second night i was going to use desitin or something similar but the smell and feel gave me the wig and i just used it plain. it seemed okay but apparently made quite a few noises during the night. last night, i went to bed at midnight, woke up at five, couldn’t get the mask readjusted. then the hose from the machine disconnected itself at the mask end and i said screw it. i did notice, though, that i seem to have drooled into the mask, possibly making it slippery. i have a vague memory of waking up during the night to find that the machine had turned itself off and of turning it back on. the other masks he tried seemed to be mirages and they were too big; we couldn’t get the leaking to stop at all. the comfortfull is a size small, and i still end up strapping it down pretty tightly to avoid leaks. the back of my neck is a bit sore from the straps. i honestly don’t know what to do at this point. the chin strap i have (the respironics or resmed or something premium one) isn’t doing it. i’ve considered the u-shaped adhesive temporary ones at the cpapman’s site but i’ve no idea if they work. all i want is something comfortable that doesn’t make me miserable or cause pain or leak so much the cpap is useless. — deb rapidly giving up hope

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sine nomine wrote: > i’m going to respond to a zillion people in one post, instead of > writing a zillion responses. > normc wrote: > : to hold my mouth shut, i’ve tried: a large bandaid, paper tape (got > : > soggy), > : > : If you were using a nasal mask, this would be another > : indicator that your lips are parting, while you sleep. I > : tried tape way back in the beginning, and it never got soggy. > that’s a good point. i hadn’t thought about it, but it makes sense. > : Are you aware that masks have different sizes and they also > : have different depths? Shallow depths are generally for > : oriental noses. > yeah, and i’m not oriental but i have a smallish nose — it’s a pug > nose, but it’s not very wide at the base and i don’t have much of a > nose bridge (this has caused more problems than you’d think, > especially since i’m horribly nearsighted and taking a break from > contacts). the activa is the shallow cushion and is okay but i think > maybe a little too big to seal properly. if i scrunch it down enough > that it seals at the top, it’s riding right on top of my upper lip. > according to the respironics gauge, i would take a petite size. > terry wrote: > : Umm, were your straps loose or tight? > on the nasal pillows, i’ve tried both ways. loose leaks and sort of > hurts, tight doesn’t leak much but hurts a lot. > tom wrote: > : I still think you’re trying to tighten them too much, possibly because > : the pillows are the wrong size. > maybe. they’re the large dilators, which are what the respiratory tech > said would work best. i wish i knew what they used for the sleep > study, cause it didn’t leak much once we got it adjusted. > : >if i lie on my back to sleep, the chin strap doesn’t seem to work as > : >well and i snore and wake up feeling like crap. > : > : Ok, your tongue is probably "falling down" and keeping you from making > : the seal. > how is it meant to stay up when you’re sleeping? i’ve read about this > before, but it seems like my tongue would just fall down again.

There are at least two of us here that don’t believe it is possible to accomplish this task, when asleep. People may think they are doing so, but there is just no way to know with any kind of certainty. Please see my previous post, to Tom, for details. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> : Wrong attitude. It’s the DME’s job to fit you with a mask that works, > : it is _not_ your fault if they’re failing. > : > : Did you ever ask to try the mask that worked during titration? > i know, but it seems like if it didn’t work, i should have found out > when they were fitting it and tried something else. > : But, given your comments here, I’m wondering if you ought to be > : looking at a full-face mask. They come in a bunch of sizes, you could > : probably find one that fits. > yeah, maybe. i’ll try one when i go to the dme thursday. > : Beth > : On the issue of side sleeping, I find that with my Aclaim mask, I can sleep > : on my side with my face pressed into the pillow and don’t have any problems. > : I DO have to suspend my hose above my head or I get leaks as I move about > : and the hose pulls at the mask. And sometimes i do get too much pressure on > : the bridge of the nose which can leave my nose a bit read for a few hours. > maybe if i suspended it higher? right now, it’s not very high because > we haven’t put the bed back together yet and are sleeping on a > mattress on the floor (god, i hate moving house). how high should the > apex be? > : I’m sorry you’re having so many struggles, all I can offer in support is to > : say that others have been through what you’re going through, and there is a > : light at the end of the tunnel. > thanks. without this group i’d've gone insane a long time ago. or have > thrown the machine out the window. you’ve no idea how much it means to > get support during this time. > john delaney wrote: > : Are you using a heated humidifier? If so, have you tried turning up the > : heat. I get the allergy-like running nose if I don’t use my humidifier > : or if I forget to turn on the heat under it. And it can take a week for > : the residual irritation (inc. running nose) to go away. > yeah, but it was definitely allergies. the trees hate me, and they’re > shedding hate all over the place with their nasty little pollens. bad > trees. i don’t think we can surround all of them with hepa filters. > albert wrote: > : Months after initally using this head-gear with nasal pillows, I > : realized there were 2 more adjustments on the head gear. One for the > : position angle of the pillows, and the other for the crown depth. I was > : able to seat the headgear lower onto my head. This helped keep it on a > : lot easier. > : > : I tweaked these settings, and it really fine-tuned the fit and > : function. Its made a big difference. > this is for the adam circuit? hmm. i’ll have to look at it more > closely. it’s too bad about the hose going over your head; i tend to > mash myself up against the headboard. (my husband says i "pretzel" > when i sleep. > : Next, I attached my chin strap directly to the head gear. It helps to > : keep the head gear from moving, and keeps the chin strap right where I > : need to keep my lips closed. > i’ve tried that. it doesn’t seem to work for me. maybe i just don’t > understand how the chin strap is meant to be positioned or to work? > ——– > on another note, can rainout lead to coughing the next day?

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i’m going to respond to a zillion people in one post, instead of writing a zillion responses. normc wrote:

: to hold my mouth shut, i’ve tried: a large bandaid, paper tape (got : > soggy), : : If you were using a nasal mask, this would be another : indicator that your lips are parting, while you sleep. I : tried tape way back in the beginning, and it never got soggy. that’s a good point. i hadn’t thought about it, but it makes sense. : Are you aware that masks have different sizes and they also : have different depths? Shallow depths are generally for : oriental noses. yeah, and i’m not oriental but i have a smallish nose — it’s a pug nose, but it’s not very wide at the base and i don’t have much of a nose bridge (this has caused more problems than you’d think, especially since i’m horribly nearsighted and taking a break from contacts). the activa is the shallow cushion and is okay but i think maybe a little too big to seal properly. if i scrunch it down enough that it seals at the top, it’s riding right on top of my upper lip. according to the respironics gauge, i would take a petite size. terry wrote:

: Umm, were your straps loose or tight? on the nasal pillows, i’ve tried both ways. loose leaks and sort of hurts, tight doesn’t leak much but hurts a lot. tom wrote:

: I still think you’re trying to tighten them too much, possibly because : the pillows are the wrong size. maybe. they’re the large dilators, which are what the respiratory tech said would work best. i wish i knew what they used for the sleep study, cause it didn’t leak much once we got it adjusted. : >if i lie on my back to sleep, the chin strap doesn’t seem to work as : >well and i snore and wake up feeling like crap. : : Ok, your tongue is probably "falling down" and keeping you from making : the seal. how is it meant to stay up when you’re sleeping? i’ve read about this before, but it seems like my tongue would just fall down again. : Wrong attitude. It’s the DME’s job to fit you with a mask that works, : it is _not_ your fault if they’re failing. : : Did you ever ask to try the mask that worked during titration? i know, but it seems like if it didn’t work, i should have found out when they were fitting it and tried something else. : But, given your comments here, I’m wondering if you ought to be : looking at a full-face mask. They come in a bunch of sizes, you could : probably find one that fits. yeah, maybe. i’ll try one when i go to the dme thursday. : Beth : On the issue of side sleeping, I find that with my Aclaim mask, I can sleep : on my side with my face pressed into the pillow and don’t have any problems. : I DO have to suspend my hose above my head or I get leaks as I move about : and the hose pulls at the mask. And sometimes i do get too much pressure on : the bridge of the nose which can leave my nose a bit read for a few hours. maybe if i suspended it higher? right now, it’s not very high because we haven’t put the bed back together yet and are sleeping on a mattress on the floor (god, i hate moving house). how high should the apex be? : I’m sorry you’re having so many struggles, all I can offer in support is to : say that others have been through what you’re going through, and there is a : light at the end of the tunnel. thanks. without this group i’d've gone insane a long time ago. or have thrown the machine out the window. you’ve no idea how much it means to get support during this time. john delaney wrote:

: Are you using a heated humidifier? If so, have you tried turning up the : heat. I get the allergy-like running nose if I don’t use my humidifier : or if I forget to turn on the heat under it. And it can take a week for : the residual irritation (inc. running nose) to go away. yeah, but it was definitely allergies. the trees hate me, and they’re shedding hate all over the place with their nasty little pollens. bad trees. i don’t think we can surround all of them with hepa filters. albert wrote:

: Months after initally using this head-gear with nasal pillows, I : realized there were 2 more adjustments on the head gear. One for the : position angle of the pillows, and the other for the crown depth. I was : able to seat the headgear lower onto my head. This helped keep it on a : lot easier. : : I tweaked these settings, and it really fine-tuned the fit and : function. Its made a big difference. this is for the adam circuit? hmm. i’ll have to look at it more closely. it’s too bad about the hose going over your head; i tend to mash myself up against the headboard. (my husband says i "pretzel" when i sleep. : Next, I attached my chin strap directly to the head gear. It helps to : keep the head gear from moving, and keeps the chin strap right where I : need to keep my lips closed. i’ve tried that. it doesn’t seem to work for me. maybe i just don’t understand how the chin strap is meant to be positioned or to work? ——– on another note, can rainout lead to coughing the next day? — deb "When walking in downtown Seattle, you will occasionally see a class of very small schoolchildren all attached to a rope, with teachers at each end like oversized SCSI terminators." — my spouse

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Deb, You’re on the right track: Try to fix one thing at a time and be patient. I use the Breeze with nasal pillows. Months after initally using this head-gear with nasal pillows, I realized there were 2 more adjustments on the head gear. One for the position angle of the pillows, and the other for the crown depth. I was able to seat the headgear lower onto my head. This helped keep it on a lot easier. I tweaked these settings, and it really fine-tuned the fit and function. Its made a big difference. Next, I attached my chin strap directly to the head gear. It helps to keep the head gear from moving, and keeps the chin strap right where I need to keep my lips closed. DON’T STOP NOW: You might be right on the threshold of solving the issues. Sometimes, they all don’t get solved at once. Focus on the key problem first (nasal pillows), then work on the others. Once you get your CPAP rig finely tuned, you’ll love it to death. Good Luck Deb, -Albert

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sine nomine <ll…@drizzle.com> wrote: >i’ve tried saline gel with the nasal pillows, but it still hurts and >it still leaks a tiny bit. i think it’s the combination of a small >nose and high pressure.

One other thought…. Bob Goldschmidt posted the following under "Re: Nasel Pillows Lubricant? An Answer." The full post can be found in the archives, but the following may be helpful… > Finding 3. The A&D and Desitine Creamy ointments are essentially identical, >and they are HIGHLY effective. They seal your tissues and promote healing. >They prevent a lot of the irritation that comes from the Pillows. They have >enough zinc oxide and mineral oil content to last through the night, but >their high water content allows the ointment to easily wash off the pillows >without any mess. And I suspect that they will NOT harm the Pillow >material. Both cost the same – about $3.50 US for a 2 ounce tube. One tube >will last for months. I question whether the Aloe or the Vitamin E in the >formulations has any real affect. I like the Desitin Creamy a bit better >than the A&D, but I could not exactly answer why.

Tom

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samf…@aol.com wrote: > "What’s wrong with Aussies?" I hear you ask….Australians sit around all day > guzzling down Fosters and listening to Vanessa Amorosi in their wet, dirty > vests. They smell, they’re loud and they don’t understand jokes. To most of the > world, Australia seems like one long episode of "Heartbreak High" but that’s > just what they want you to think, they want you to assume it’s just one long > tucker keg and barbie beach party….BUT IT’S NOT! The purpose of this site is > to expose the SHITHOLE that is Australia, the arm-pit of the world.

What a jerk! Why did you cross-post to a support group? We spent a month in Australia. Great country. Great people. We’d move there if it wasn’t for their healthcare program(s).

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In alt.support.sleep-disorder samf…@aol.com wrote:

: >We spent a month in Australia. Great country. Great : >people. We’d move there if it wasn’t for their healthcare : >program(s). : Thou dankish dismal-dreaming clotpole! : What? Scared you’ll get you manic depressive psychosis treated there? my, you’re a charmer. as an aol user, you don’t have a hell of a lot of room to talk about shitholes. fortunately, aol is dumping usenet soon. — deb who likes aussies so much she imported her own

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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:15:21 -0000, sine nomine wrote: >fortunately, aol is dumping usenet soon.

It’s already happened. Now, if we could get them off of the rest of the Internet.

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> the arm-pit of the world.

Moron, the term is arsehole of the world [1] [1]from a previous prime minister who described Australia as the "arts end" of the world

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:16:57 -0800, samf…@aol.com wrote: >"What’s wrong with Aussies?" I hear you ask….Australians sit around all day >guzzling down Fosters and listening to Vanessa Amorosi in their wet, dirty >vests. They smell, they’re loud and they don’t understand jokes. To most of the >world, Australia seems like one long episode of "Heartbreak High" but that’s >just what they want you to think, they want you to assume it’s just one long >tucker keg and barbie beach party….BUT IT’S NOT! The purpose of this site is >to expose the SHITHOLE that is Australia, the arm-pit of the world.

whoa! I think you’re talking about those Roos, not the humans

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(Snip) Born and lived in the UK. Visited the US on many occasions during military service and travel. Visited most of the world during Merchant Navy service. Now live in a dreamy little town in SW Australia near to the Indian Ocean. Wonderful people. Great climate. Every facility imaginable. Wouldn’t move to any other country in the world even if I won the lottery. Australia rules!!! I suggest you get a life and smell the roses!!!!!

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<samf…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:7skc315s1bc2bdpna133irfbii1i421vcs@4ax.com… > "What’s wrong with Aussies?" I hear you ask….Australians sit around all day > guzzling down Fosters and listening to Vanessa Amorosi in their wet, dirty > vests. They smell, they’re loud and they don’t understand jokes. To most of the > world, Australia seems like one long episode of "Heartbreak High" but that’s > just what they want you to think, they want you to assume it’s just one long > tucker keg and barbie beach party….BUT IT’S NOT! The purpose of this site is > to expose the SHITHOLE that is Australia, the arm-pit of the world.

Troll Factor 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 —————————–^ Using outdated stuff like Fosters , Vanessa Amorosi , Heartbreak High quite obviously shows that you have never been to aust or know anything about the current aust lifestyle. I would rather live in a so called "shithole" like aust than in some arsehole place like the US in which you get mugged , car jacked , shot to death by drugged crazed gang members , crack addicts , organised criminals or gun nut whackos still living in the 1970s. If aust is the arm-pit of the world , then the US is the dirty shitty arsehole of the world. Maybe you should put your little tin hat back on and head off back to alt.support.sleep-disorder where you belong with all the other whackos. — Sandgroper Perth , Western Australia ———————————- Remove KNICKERS to Email steve…@KNICKERSiinet.net.au

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"Sandgroper" <steve…@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote in message

news:42389ee6$0$3723$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <samf…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:7skc315s1bc2bdpna133irfbii1i421vcs@4ax.com… >> "What’s wrong with Aussies?" I hear you ask….Australians sit around all > day >> guzzling down Fosters and listening to Vanessa Amorosi in their wet, >> dirty >> vests. They smell, they’re loud and they don’t understand jokes. To most > of the >> world, Australia seems like one long episode of "Heartbreak High" but > that’s >> just what they want you to think, they want you to assume it’s just one > long >> tucker keg and barbie beach party….BUT IT’S NOT! The purpose of this > site is >> to expose the SHITHOLE that is Australia, the arm-pit of the world. > Troll Factor > 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 > —————————–^ > Using outdated stuff like Fosters , Vanessa Amorosi , Heartbreak High > quite > obviously shows that you have never been to aust or know anything about > the > current aust lifestyle. > I would rather live in a so called "shithole" like aust than in some > arsehole place like the US in which you get mugged , car jacked , shot to > death by drugged crazed gang members , crack addicts , organised criminals > or gun nut whackos still living in the 1970s. > If aust is the arm-pit of the world , then the US is the dirty shitty > arsehole of the world. > Maybe you should put your little tin hat back on and head off back to > alt.support.sleep-disorder where you belong with all the other whackos. > — > Sandgroper > Perth , Western Australia

At least here in the US, we all carry handguns and drive huge gas-guzzling SUVs and don’t take shit off nobody!

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"Oscar_Lives" <nos…@nospam.net> wrote in message

news:NY4_d.143289$tl3.110298@attbi_s02… > At least here in the US, we all carry handguns and drive huge gas-guzzling > SUVs and don’t take shit off nobody!

Yep , that’s why you have street gangs and a very high murder rate , not to mention the whacko things like Columbine and straw murders. — Sandgroper ———————————- Remove KNICKERS to Email steve…@KNICKERSiinet.net.au

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’cause dingos eat their babies. Crikey!

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"Sandgroper" <steve…@KNICKERSiinet.net.au> wrote in message

news:42393015$0$27593$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Oscar_Lives" <nos…@nospam.net> wrote in message > news:NY4_d.143289$tl3.110298@attbi_s02… >> At least here in the US, we all carry handguns and drive huge >> gas-guzzling >> SUVs and don’t take shit off nobody! > Yep , that’s why you have street gangs and a very high murder rate , not > to > mention the whacko things like Columbine and straw murders. > > — > Sandgroper

Oh, and we’ve got Paris Hilton and Michael Jackson too.

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Sandgroper wrote: > Maybe you should put your little tin hat back on and head off back to > alt.support.sleep-disorder where you belong with all the other whackos.

EEK! its not *ours*, we don’t want it!

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Sleep Disorder