Rainout
Question:
Conjo Distributing (the well-known cpapman) sells an insulating hose so that you don’t have to make your own. It is about half-way down this page, below the information about heated humidifiers and the humidifier stand: http://www.cpapman.com/hhumid.htm However, as NormC suggested, there may be a thermostat problem with your HC-100. I remember a discussion a while back where several people had humidifiers that had rainout even at low settings. Investigation showed that their units were defective. I wonder if F&P got a hold of a bad bunch of thermostats, or perhaps the quality control of the supplier is less than adequate. Kent Taylor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mic Stand wrote in message <20010404144302.17000.00001…@ng-cc1.aol.com>… >I have been having a problem with waking up soaked in the morning when I turn >on my F and P HC-100 humidifier. >If I don’t turn it on but leave everything connected it isn’t as bad. >I thought the machine was getting too hot no matter how low I set it. >I finally called Fisher and Paykel this morning and they told me that my room >was too cold so I need to insulate the tube or turn up the heat in my house. >They recommended lots of saran wrap or bubble wrap. The gentleman said none of >the tube should be exposed to the air. >Perhaps I’ll crochet it a long sock.
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" > However, as NormC suggested, there may be a thermostat problem with your
HC-100. I remember a > discussion a while back where several people had humidifiers that had
rainout even at low settings. > Investigation showed that their units were defective. I wonder if F&P got
a hold of a bad bunch of > thermostats, or perhaps the quality control of the supplier is less than adequate.
Does anyone know the actual tempeture that the water is supposed to reach at its various settings?
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Kietz wrote: > " > > However, as NormC suggested, there may be a thermostat problem with your > HC-100. I remember a > > discussion a while back where several people had humidifiers that had > rainout even at low settings. > > Investigation showed that their units were defective. I wonder if F&P got > a hold of a bad bunch of > > thermostats, or perhaps the quality control of the supplier is less than > adequate. > Does anyone know the actual tempeture that the water is supposed to reach at > its various settings?
One might think F&P would/should have that info. Unfortunately I found their southern California office to be a pain the in the you know what. When I first got my system, I misplaced my manual and called to get another one. I was told to talk to my DME. In the sourse of my loosing my temper, the person at the other end thought I was then saying that it didn’t have a manual in the box. She said she’d send me one. SOOOOOooooo, I’d say tell ‘em whatever you need to to get what you need.
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It is also a good idea to place the CPAP with humidifier on the floor or at least lower than the height of your mattress.. Mic Stand <micst…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010404144302.17000.00001950@ng-cc1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been having a problem with waking up soaked in the morning when I turn > on my F and P HC-100 humidifier. > If I don’t turn it on but leave everything connected it isn’t as bad. > I thought the machine was getting too hot no matter how low I set it. > I finally called Fisher and Paykel this morning and they told me that my room > was too cold so I need to insulate the tube or turn up the heat in my house. > They recommended lots of saran wrap or bubble wrap. The gentleman said none of > the tube should be exposed to the air. > Perhaps I’ll crochet it a long sock.
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"NormC" <no…@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3ACBD4FC.57B313C1@socal.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kietz wrote: > > " > > > However, as NormC suggested, there may be a thermostat problem with your > > HC-100. I remember a > > > discussion a while back where several people had humidifiers that had > > rainout even at low settings. > > > Investigation showed that their units were defective. I wonder if F&P got > > a hold of a bad bunch of > > > thermostats, or perhaps the quality control of the supplier is less than > > adequate. > > Does anyone know the actual tempeture that the water is supposed to reach at > > its various settings? > One might think F&P would/should have that info. Unfortunately I found their southern > California office to be a pain the in the you know what.
This evening I E-mailed that question to F&P’s "contact-us" address from their web site. I won’t hold my breath waiting for a response though. I don’t plan on calling my DME because what little info and advice they have given me has been bad. > When I first got my system, I misplaced my manual and called to get another one. I was > told to talk to my DME. In the sourse of my loosing my temper, the person at the other > end thought I was then saying that it didn’t have a manual in the box. She said she’d > send me one. SOOOOOooooo, I’d say tell ‘em whatever you need to to get
what you need.
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In my HC 100 operating manual it states the heater plate temperature should be variable from 117 to 149 degrees F. The latter temperature is to avoid the legal necessity of guarding any surface from touch by users if the temperature is 150 degrees F. or higher. — Jim Chapman "Kietz" <ki…@home.com> wrote in message
news:UTPy6.207612$t67.3697170@news1.rdc1.il.home.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> " > > However, as NormC suggested, there may be a thermostat problem with your > HC-100. I remember a > > discussion a while back where several people had humidifiers that had > rainout even at low settings. > > Investigation showed that their units were defective. I wonder if F&P got > a hold of a bad bunch of > > thermostats, or perhaps the quality control of the supplier is less than > adequate. > Does anyone know the actual tempeture that the water is supposed to reach at > its various settings?
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Jim Chapman wrote: > In my HC 100 operating manual it states the heater plate temperature > should be variable from 117 to 149 degrees F. The latter temperature is to > avoid the legal necessity of guarding any surface from touch by users if the > temperature is 150 degrees F. or higher.
Interesting. Perhaps _WE SHOULD ALL_ take a good look at our manuals. I just looked at the product specs in mine (HC-200 w/ built-in humidifer). It says 95 to 149 degrees F. Curious that the HC-100 only goes down to 117. This means that, at the lowest temp, the HC-100 will be 22 deg warmer than the HC-200. This might be significant with respect to the problem. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Jim Chapman > "Kietz" <ki…@home.com> wrote in message > news:UTPy6.207612$t67.3697170@news1.rdc1.il.home.com… > > " > > > However, as NormC suggested, there may be a thermostat problem with your > > HC-100. I remember a > > > discussion a while back where several people had humidifiers that had > > rainout even at low settings. > > > Investigation showed that their units were defective. I wonder if F&P > got > > a hold of a bad bunch of > > > thermostats, or perhaps the quality control of the supplier is less than > > adequate. > > Does anyone know the actual tempeture that the water is supposed to reach > at > > its various settings?
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It would be interesting to know if higher serial number HC-100s provide for a lower available temp than the lower serial numbers. Clearly the newer HC-200 provides for a lower temperature. Maybe F&P found that rainout was, indeed, a problem, if a user could only lower the temp to 117. As a result, they could have made a design change without making an issue out of it. Never having experienced rainout, I don’t know how serious a problem it can be. Perhaps there should have been a recall!?!?!?!? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NormC wrote: > Jim Chapman wrote: > > In my HC 100 operating manual it states the heater plate temperature > > should be variable from 117 to 149 degrees F. The latter temperature is to > > avoid the legal necessity of guarding any surface from touch by users if the > > temperature is 150 degrees F. or higher. > Interesting. Perhaps _WE SHOULD ALL_ take a good look at our manuals. I just looked at > the product specs in mine (HC-200 w/ built-in humidifer). It says 95 to 149 degrees F. > Curious that the HC-100 only goes down to 117. This means that, at the lowest temp, the > HC-100 will be 22 deg warmer than the HC-200. This might be significant with respect to > the problem. > > — > > Jim Chapman > > "Kietz" <ki…@home.com> wrote in message > > news:UTPy6.207612$t67.3697170@news1.rdc1.il.home.com… > > > " > > > > However, as NormC suggested, there may be a thermostat problem with your > > > HC-100. I remember a > > > > discussion a while back where several people had humidifiers that had > > > rainout even at low settings. > > > > Investigation showed that their units were defective. I wonder if F&P > > got > > > a hold of a bad bunch of > > > > thermostats, or perhaps the quality control of the supplier is less than > > > adequate. > > > Does anyone know the actual tempeture that the water is supposed to reach > > at > > > its various settings?
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It is a good idea to put the humidifier on the floor so the "rainout" will drain back into the chamber. I keep mine on the floor. I still get rainout, but I don’t find it too much of a problem; but sometimes I will get a gurgling in the hose; when that happens I take the mask off and hold it up and let the water drain back into the chamber. I have my FP 100 at the highest setting. I’ve been trying to get off Flonase, so I figure the more humidity I can get the better. I do have the insulating sleeve that I bought from CPAPMAN. I like it cool, so the temperature in my bedroom might go down to 55 degrees F in the winter. Barry "Glenn" <gia…@cyberhotline.com> wrote in message
news:tcnlpoi0nf3jf5@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It is also a good idea to place the CPAP with humidifier on the floor or at > least lower than the height of your mattress.. > Mic Stand <micst…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20010404144302.17000.00001950@ng-cc1.aol.com… > > I have been having a problem with waking up soaked in the morning when I > turn > > on my F and P HC-100 humidifier. > > If I don’t turn it on but leave everything connected it isn’t as bad. > > I thought the machine was getting too hot no matter how low I set it. > > I finally called Fisher and Paykel this morning and they told me that my > room > > was too cold so I need to insulate the tube or turn up the heat in my > house. > > They recommended lots of saran wrap or bubble wrap. The gentleman said > none of > > the tube should be exposed to the air. > > Perhaps I’ll crochet it a long sock.
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Barry Gloeckner wrote: > It is a good idea to put the humidifier on the floor so the "rainout" will > drain back into the chamber.
I have mine on a little 6-8" stool that my kids used at the sink to reach the faucets. As you all know, I’m kind of slow. I just had another revelation last night. I think I know why I have never had any rainout. This is like one of those humour stories that you have to scroll down a few times to find the answer…..because it’s kind of stupid. In addition to having my integrated system near the floor, my hose/tube runs nowhere but down. No matter how much condensation there is along the hose route, it can’t run up to my face. I can now see that anyone who runs their hose/tube over their head might have rainout depending on the length of the hose that runs vertically above the head. If it’s a 6′ hose and is ’secured’ 12" above the head, maybe no rainout. If it was secured half way (3′), there would be a 3x greater chance of rainout. Right? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I keep mine on the floor. I still get rainout, but I don’t find it too much > of a problem; but sometimes I will get a gurgling in the hose; when that > happens I take the mask off and hold it up and let the water drain back into > the chamber. > I have my FP 100 at the highest setting. I’ve been trying to get off > Flonase, so I figure the more humidity I can get the better. > I do have the insulating sleeve that I bought from CPAPMAN. > I like it cool, so the temperature in my bedroom might go down to 55 degrees > F in the winter. > Barry > "Glenn" <gia…@cyberhotline.com> wrote in message > news:tcnlpoi0nf3jf5@corp.supernews.com… > > It is also a good idea to place the CPAP with humidifier on the floor or > at > > least lower than the height of your mattress.. > > Mic Stand <micst…@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:20010404144302.17000.00001950@ng-cc1.aol.com… > > > I have been having a problem with waking up soaked in the morning when I > > turn > > > on my F and P HC-100 humidifier. > > > If I don’t turn it on but leave everything connected it isn’t as bad. > > > I thought the machine was getting too hot no matter how low I set it. > > > I finally called Fisher and Paykel this morning and they told me that my > > room > > > was too cold so I need to insulate the tube or turn up the heat in my > > house. > > > They recommended lots of saran wrap or bubble wrap. The gentleman said > > none of > > > the tube should be exposed to the air. > > > Perhaps I’ll crochet it a long sock.
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Kietz wrote: > This evening I E-mailed that question to F&P’s "contact-us" address from > their web site. I won’t hold my breath waiting for a response though.
The one time I e-mailed them a question (discussion we were having about what the disposable chamber was made out of) they did get back to me in under 48 hours. Of course this was from the Production guy and not the one who handles all the complaints… > I don’t plan on calling my DME because what little info and advice they have > given me has been bad.
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