Snoring <-> sleep apnea – too tight a relationship to ignore
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OMG Gippsland my best friend lives in Leongatha there goes the neighborhood ha ha 
I had my study in the Clayton campus of Monash I live in Chadstone with this friend I have visited the towns of Leongatha and Drouin where his parents live On one Visit his parents drove us to the loche tea rooms that was nice I had iced chocolate and pink lamingtons I met my friend at work and we became out of work friends he is a mad bugger with a totally wicked sense of humor Naturally I told him about the sleep test he said they wouldn’t have a Richter scale big enough to take the level of my snoring 
I hated it wired up like a bomb perhaps my nurse was with alqueda ? not only that I am used to a double bed at home I have no partner so sleep alone They had me in a single bed against the wall gosh half of me was almost hanging off the bed not only that because it was hot that night it made me more restless The air conditioner was on all night in my room to so anyway exactly 1 week after my sleep over my ears began to hurt then my throat now I have a very heavy cold with lots of coughing Due to ill health I don’t work any more so I didn’t catch something there and the only places I go are up to the shops So it was either the shops or the hospital hey that’s a good slogan come to hospital and get sick many germs free flowing take your pick ha ha All my appointments have to be made with mum present as I don’t drive so she takes me not only that when it was made mum thought she was looking after my sisters 2 and 3 year old for the day My sister works see so does the kids father so based up on what she thought she made the appointment for 9 AM thinking she would be home in time for the kids to be here Now my sister tells us she is not working on December 1 and the kids wont be here so the appointment could have been later instead of forcing me to drag my ass out of bed early grumbles "Tal" <sleepbethdisord…@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:bq7kf0$1tv59d$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia quite > > bad actually > > I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on > you should try a couple of mask types, there’s one type called nasal > pillows, there’s less in contact with your face that may help the > claustrophobia feeling > there’s also one that instead of going over your nose it goes in your mouth > that you may consider trying out. > The trick is to get used to having the mask on while you’re awake and doing > something like watching tv….. it helps to become used to it when you’re > not trying to sleep……less stressful. > I’m from Gippsland – did you have your study at the Alfred or a diff > hospital? > — > Beth in Australia > (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my > opinion only unless specified otherwise) > =================== > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > http://talhost.net/sleep > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles > Remove my name to reply
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h.sanders wrote: > Enough is Enough! If you’re bothered by someone’s postings and are having a > hard time dealing with it, just ignore it. Noone is requiring you to read > every msg in the newsgroup. We don’t really need the petty bickering. > Hal S.
Exactly. In usenet there are people from all walks of life that speak all different languages with all different levels of education. It’s considered poor netiquette (and manners) to correct others spelling, english or punctuation unless it’s to make something understood better. If somebody were to write something like long messages without paragraph breaks making it hard to read, it would be ok to *nicely* E-mail them and politely point this out. Or like somebody writing in all caps, to work in your answer why it’s not the thing to do. We don’t correct papers here. If that’s your thing they have groups for it. — Bob, whom would of been tossed long ago for my mistakes.
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I don’t know what the 60 percent number means. But the number of apnea events per hour is what is really important. What your doctor told your about not sleeping on your back is "positional treatment." Usually they recommend that when the number of events is not too severe. Over a certain AHI they start CPAP treatment. When you had your sleep test did they let you try different kinds of masks? I agree with Tony about nasal pillows. Good luck in getting used to treatment. Anna in article 3fcb112…@news.alphalink.com.au, Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl at vik…@alphalink.com.au wrote on 12/1/2003 2:59 AM: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Got the results of my sleep test today good news is mild snoring and > 60 percent sleep nights out of 100 > Dr says if I can re train my self not to sleep on my back I should sleep > better > He said it is sleeping on my back when my muscles collapse a bit causing > a choking feeling so it looks like I may not need the mask at all > "Tony Johnson" <TonyJohnson…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:b0nlsvo8qv8kohau7c09id5mpneg698snf@4ax.com… >> On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:35:18 +1100, "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery >> Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote: >>> My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia > quite >>> bad actually >>> I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on >>> It usually happens when I feel smothered depending on the situation small >>> spaces busy >>> crowded places also if I have something anything covering my facial area >>> This is why I am curious having the mask over my facial area might cause >>> problems thanks >> I very much like my nose pillows. The first week or two I’d suggest >> using KY Jelly or Vaseline (although Vaseline may contribute to >> breakdown of the rubber a bit) on the insides of your nose to lessen >> the irritation. >> Don’t expect perfection in the first few days. Instead expect that it >> may take a month or two before you can stand to have the mask on all >> night. >> Tony
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You would probably get more help and insight if you post to the group… "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:3fcc01e0$1@news.alphalink.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jo if u contact me off the list I can give you some details I think I know > what you > mean I have a copy of my results here on paper > "Jo" <jo…@stopit.yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:vsnil0ofo2cp7b@corp.supernews.com… > > But what is your AHI (or RDI) number? That’s one of the important ones… > > "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in > > message news:3fcb1123$1@news.alphalink.com.au… > > > Got the results of my sleep test today good news is mild snoring and > > > 60 percent sleep nights out of 100 > > > Dr says if I can re train my self not to sleep on my back I should sleep > > > better > > > He said it is sleeping on my back when my muscles collapse a bit causing > > > a choking feeling so it looks like I may not need the mask at all > > > "Tony Johnson" <TonyJohnson…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:b0nlsvo8qv8kohau7c09id5mpneg698snf@4ax.com… > > > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:35:18 +1100, "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery > > > > Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > > > > >My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia > > > quite > > > > >bad actually > > > > >I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it > on > > > > >It usually happens when I feel smothered depending on the situation > > small > > > > >spaces busy > > > > >crowded places also if I have something anything covering my facial > > area > > > > >This is why I am curious having the mask over my facial area might > > cause > > > > >problems thanks > > > > I very much like my nose pillows. The first week or two I’d suggest > > > > using KY Jelly or Vaseline (although Vaseline may contribute to > > > > breakdown of the rubber a bit) on the insides of your nose to lessen > > > > the irritation. > > > > Don’t expect perfection in the first few days. Instead expect that it > > > > may take a month or two before you can stand to have the mask on all > > > > night. > > > > Tony
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Jo if u contact me off the list I can give you some details I think I know what you mean I have a copy of my results here on paper "Jo" <jo…@stopit.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vsnil0ofo2cp7b@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> But what is your AHI (or RDI) number? That’s one of the important ones… > "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in > message news:3fcb1123$1@news.alphalink.com.au… > > Got the results of my sleep test today good news is mild snoring and > > 60 percent sleep nights out of 100 > > Dr says if I can re train my self not to sleep on my back I should sleep > > better > > He said it is sleeping on my back when my muscles collapse a bit causing > > a choking feeling so it looks like I may not need the mask at all > > "Tony Johnson" <TonyJohnson…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:b0nlsvo8qv8kohau7c09id5mpneg698snf@4ax.com… > > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:35:18 +1100, "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery > > > Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > > > >My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia > > quite > > > >bad actually > > > >I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on > > > >It usually happens when I feel smothered depending on the situation > small > > > >spaces busy > > > >crowded places also if I have something anything covering my facial > area > > > >This is why I am curious having the mask over my facial area might > cause > > > >problems thanks > > > I very much like my nose pillows. The first week or two I’d suggest > > > using KY Jelly or Vaseline (although Vaseline may contribute to > > > breakdown of the rubber a bit) on the insides of your nose to lessen > > > the irritation. > > > Don’t expect perfection in the first few days. Instead expect that it > > > may take a month or two before you can stand to have the mask on all > > > night. > > > Tony
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> Cripes … did you even bother to proof read this meandering piece of > nonsense? There is very little connection with OSA in what you wrote. As to > the common decency to diligently apply punctuation, does your keyboard NOT > have comma or period, or are you simply incapable of applying them?
TOTALLY pathetic behaviour…….the reply WAS relevant in part – I asked where the poster had the sleep study done, reply included answer to that question and also comments about ill health which is totally on topic if you don’t wanna read stuff, don’t read it – nobody’s making you! now feel free to pick apart all my typos in every post i’ve made over the past 4-5 years, you’ll have a job for life! LOL — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply
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> OMG Gippsland my best friend lives in Leongatha there goes the neighborhood > ha ha
only connection i have with leongatha is the new community radio station i’m closely involved with is broadcasting into that region (gippsland is pretty big, lenogatha is around an hour from where i am). but then, we’re reaching from as far as Orbost to Melbourne! > They had me in a single bed against the wall gosh half of me was almost > hanging off the bed not only > that because it was hot that night it made me more restless > The air conditioner was on all night in my room to so anyway exactly 1 week > after my sleep over my > ears began to hurt then my throat now I have a very heavy cold with lots of > coughing
ahh, i’ll be sure not to schedule my next sleep study there! > Due to ill health I don’t work any more so I didn’t catch something there > and the only places I go are up > to the shops
I know how you feel, i have multiple health problems that mean most of the time i have no energy for anything If you want to contact me via email, you can reply to this message but remove the BETH out of the email address or it won’t work — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:35:18 +1100, "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote: >My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia quite >bad actually >I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on >It usually happens when I feel smothered depending on the situation small >spaces busy >crowded places also if I have something anything covering my facial area >This is why I am curious having the mask over my facial area might cause >problems thanks
I very much like my nose pillows. The first week or two I’d suggest using KY Jelly or Vaseline (although Vaseline may contribute to breakdown of the rubber a bit) on the insides of your nose to lessen the irritation. Don’t expect perfection in the first few days. Instead expect that it may take a month or two before you can stand to have the mask on all night. Tony
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:36:39 GMT, "Gary G. Little" <gary.g.little.nos…@seagate.com> wrote: >Cripes … did you even bother to proof read this meandering piece of >nonsense? There is very little connection with OSA in what you wrote. As to >the common decency to diligently apply punctuation, does your keyboard NOT >have comma or period, or are you simply incapable of applying them?
Say what? This person is dealing with sleep apnea and clearly not on the machien yet and is happy to see someone she recognises in an unfamiliar place and you’re crapping all over her? Geez, take a valium or three and relax! Tony
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Got the results of my sleep test today good news is mild snoring and 60 percent sleep nights out of 100 Dr says if I can re train my self not to sleep on my back I should sleep better He said it is sleeping on my back when my muscles collapse a bit causing a choking feeling so it looks like I may not need the mask at all "Tony Johnson" <TonyJohnson…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b0nlsvo8qv8kohau7c09id5mpneg698snf@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:35:18 +1100, "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery > Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > >My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia quite > >bad actually > >I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on > >It usually happens when I feel smothered depending on the situation small > >spaces busy > >crowded places also if I have something anything covering my facial area > >This is why I am curious having the mask over my facial area might cause > >problems thanks > I very much like my nose pillows. The first week or two I’d suggest > using KY Jelly or Vaseline (although Vaseline may contribute to > breakdown of the rubber a bit) on the insides of your nose to lessen > the irritation. > Don’t expect perfection in the first few days. Instead expect that it > may take a month or two before you can stand to have the mask on all > night. > Tony
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But what is your AHI (or RDI) number? That’s one of the important ones… "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:3fcb1123$1@news.alphalink.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Got the results of my sleep test today good news is mild snoring and > 60 percent sleep nights out of 100 > Dr says if I can re train my self not to sleep on my back I should sleep > better > He said it is sleeping on my back when my muscles collapse a bit causing > a choking feeling so it looks like I may not need the mask at all > "Tony Johnson" <TonyJohnson…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:b0nlsvo8qv8kohau7c09id5mpneg698snf@4ax.com… > > On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 20:35:18 +1100, "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery > > Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > > >My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia > quite > > >bad actually > > >I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on > > >It usually happens when I feel smothered depending on the situation small > > >spaces busy > > >crowded places also if I have something anything covering my facial area > > >This is why I am curious having the mask over my facial area might cause > > >problems thanks > > I very much like my nose pillows. The first week or two I’d suggest > > using KY Jelly or Vaseline (although Vaseline may contribute to > > breakdown of the rubber a bit) on the insides of your nose to lessen > > the irritation. > > Don’t expect perfection in the first few days. Instead expect that it > > may take a month or two before you can stand to have the mask on all > > night. > > Tony
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Bev it appears to me from your postings that you are an expert / qualified professional in the area of sleep dis orders I had my hospital stay over and on December 1 at 9 AM Melbourne Australia time go to get my results My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia quite bad actually I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on It usually happens when I feel smothered depending on the situation small spaces busy crowded places also if I have something anything covering my facial area This is why I am curious having the mask over my facial area might cause problems thanks Vikki "Bev. Beaudin" <bb…@intergate.ca> wrote in message
news:vsdindtnmvb119@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> CPAP has been used for well over 20 years in the hospital environment. The > concept was developed fiarly early in the history of ventilating people. > There has never been any literature which shows it to be harmful in any way. > ALL literature indicates positve benefits for your heart and lungs, with the > exception that you have advance Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) > Russ > "Charles Perrin" <c.l.perrin…@att.net> wrote in message > news:imtfrv4jd49vrn4oevl76r9bh1kiq54vl1@4ax.com… > > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:52:23 GMT, mr.em…@shaw.ca wrote: > > >Yet why do doctors and regulatory bodies insist that cheaper > > >and simpler alternatives to treatment such as sprays have > > >big fine print on their products to indicate that they > > >will not treat sleep apnea? Shouldn’t it be "will not treat sleep > > >apnea in ALL cases"? > > One of the criteria for a product to be OTC (at least in the USA) is > > that the potential patient be able to safely self-select the product > > for the condition. > > They don’t want patients self-dosing with potent antibiotics, they > > don’t want patients self-dosing with psychotherapeutics, they don’t > > want patients self-dosing with blood pressure meds… see a trend > > here? > > IMHO, NOBODY can safely self-select for OSA. > > >Are doctors only beholden to other doctors such as the inventor > > >of the CPAP (no put-downs here doc, it is an ingenious invention!). > > BEHOLDEN? > > I would say "met with a great deal of skepticism" until an innovation > > been proven to work in extensive studies. > > Medical History: The term "vaccination" was originally an insult aimed > > at smallpox vaccine…. which has pushed it back to a research lab > > curiosity (and potential terrorist item). > > >Are busy doctors taking the easy way out by prescribing the one > > >and only "proven" treatment. > > Medicine is based on science. Medicine is not based on products whose > > major characteristics are "As Seen In SPAM." > > >Perhaps they have no time to do their own research? > > Why would they want to replicate research that’s already been > > researched? > > Even better, are YOU willing to be the guinea pig? > > Or would you prefer the doctor that goes down to the grocery store, > > picks up the moldy stuff, and tries to make their own penicillin? > > >Perhaps they are just covering their a**es? > > To which I’ll say "Doctors generally go against evidence-based > > medicine at the peril of their patients." > > Even the lawyers have figured this one out. > > >Pretty unimaginative and simplistic approach to treatment if you > > >ask me. > > Using a known and proven treatment is "unimaginative and simplistic?" > > Or would you prefer a car mechanic that replaces boxes at random > > instead of using the onboard diagnostic computer? > > >Has enough medical research been performed on how the body > > >"compensates" for sleep apnea? > > Enough to indicate that the compensatory mechanisms are hazardous to > > your health. Those were well-known when Dr. Sullivan invented the > > "Device for Treating Snoring Sickness." > > >I am convinced that in a few years time, someone will be writing about > > >how CPAP solved one problem and created another one! > > The initial cohort of CPAP users have been on their blowers in excess > > of 20 years. > > Problematic drugs and devices virtually always get flushed out in five > > years of extensive usage. > > >Forcing pressurized air down your lungs hours at a time > > >via mechanical means must come at a price! > > First of all, it’s not "forcing pressurized air down your lungs." > > That’s a volume ventilator. CPAP is a pressure support ventilator. Big > > difference. > > Actually, there’s a difference, thanks to a study they did at the > > University of Manitoba: People who use CPAP live. People who do > > nothing have a significant chance of dying. > > >Signed, > > >Devil’s Advocate > > IMHO, more like: > > Signed, > > Ostrich > > <wink>
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itsnotamatterofgradingitsamatterofcommunicationpunctuationprovidessyntactic a lseparationandclarityegpeoplecanunderstandwhatyousaid ’nuff said. — Gary G. Little "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:3fc7f74f@news.alphalink.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was going to do a reply to sender but what if the sender didn’t add a real > e-mail this is why I > sent my reply to the group and if they want to contact me off list they can > request this > As for my grammar and stuff I was un aware we would be graded on this list > by our spelling > yes sir dean sir correcting paper sir {Snickers} > Where I can I try to remember but mostly I let the spell check work for me > so what if my commas > and punctuation isn’t correct this isn’t a college is it ? > "Gary G. Little" <gary.g.little.nos…@seagate.com> wrote in message > news:X5Qxb.3147$SF.1859@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com… > > Cripes … did you even bother to proof read this meandering piece of > > nonsense? There is very little connection with OSA in what you wrote. As > to > > the common decency to diligently apply punctuation, does your keyboard NOT > > have comma or period, or are you simply incapable of applying them? > > — > > Gary G. Little > > "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in > > message news:3fc7b0b8@news.alphalink.com.au… > > > OMG Gippsland my best friend lives in Leongatha there goes the > > neighborhood > > > ha ha > > > I had my study in the Clayton campus of Monash I live in Chadstone with > > this > > > friend I > > > have visited the towns of Leongatha and Drouin where his parents live > > > On one Visit his parents drove us to the loche tea rooms that was nice I > > had > > > iced chocolate > > > and pink lamingtons > > > I met my friend at work and we became out of work friends he is a mad > > bugger > > > with a totally > > > wicked sense of humor > > > Naturally I told him about the sleep test he said they wouldn’t have a > > > Richter scale big enough to > > > take the level of my snoring > > > I hated it wired up like a bomb perhaps my nurse was with alqueda ? not > > only > > > that I am used to > > > a double bed at home I have no partner so sleep alone > > > They had me in a single bed against the wall gosh half of me was almost > > > hanging off the bed not only > > > that because it was hot that night it made me more restless > > > The air conditioner was on all night in my room to so anyway exactly 1 > > week > > > after my sleep over my > > > ears began to hurt then my throat now I have a very heavy cold with lots > > of > > > coughing > > > Due to ill health I don’t work any more so I didn’t catch something > there > > > and the only places I go are up > > > to the shops > > > So it was either the shops or the hospital hey that’s a good slogan come > > to > > > hospital and get sick many germs > > > free flowing take your pick ha ha > > > All my appointments have to be made with mum present as I don’t drive so > > she > > > takes me not only that when it > > > was made mum thought she was looking after my sisters 2 and 3 year old > for > > > the day > > > My sister works see so does the kids father so based up on what she > > thought > > > she made the appointment for 9 AM > > > thinking she would be home in time for the kids to be here > > > Now my sister tells us she is not working on December 1 and the kids > wont > > be > > > here so the appointment could > > > have been later instead of forcing me to drag my ass out of bed early > > > grumbles > > > "Tal" <sleepbethdisord…@softhome.net> wrote in message > > > news:bq7kf0$1tv59d$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… > > > > > My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia > > > quite > > > > > bad actually > > > > > I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring i t > on > > > > you should try a couple of mask types, there’s one type called nasal > > > > pillows, there’s less in contact with your face that may help the > > > > claustrophobia feeling > > > > there’s also one that instead of going over your nose it goes in your > > > mouth > > > > that you may consider trying out. > > > > The trick is to get used to having the mask on while you’re awake and > > > doing > > > > something like watching tv….. it helps to become used to it when > > you’re > > > > not trying to sleep……less stressful. > > > > I’m from Gippsland – did you have your study at the Alfred or a diff > > > > hospital? > > > > — > > > > Beth in Australia > > > > (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my > > > > opinion only unless specified otherwise) > > > > =================== > > > > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > > > > http://talhost.net/sleep > > > > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > > > > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles > > > > Remove my name to reply
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Enough is Enough! If you’re bothered by someone’s postings and are having a hard time dealing with it, just ignore it. Noone is requiring you to read every msg in the newsgroup. We don’t really need the petty bickering. Hal S. —————————————————————- "Gary G. Little" <gary.g.little.nos…@seagate.com> wrote in message news:8L4yb.26$wz2.9989285@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com… itsnotamatterofgradingitsamatterofcommunicationpunctuationprovidessyntactic a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> lseparationandclarityegpeoplecanunderstandwhatyousaid > ’nuff said. > — > Gary G. Little > "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in > message news:3fc7f74f@news.alphalink.com.au… > > I was going to do a reply to sender but what if the sender didn’t add a > real > > e-mail this is why I > > sent my reply to the group and if they want to contact me off list they > can > > request this > > As for my grammar and stuff I was un aware we would be graded on this list > > by our spelling > > yes sir dean sir correcting paper sir {Snickers} > > Where I can I try to remember but mostly I let the spell check work for me > > so what if my commas > > and punctuation isn’t correct this isn’t a college is it ? > > "Gary G. Little" <gary.g.little.nos…@seagate.com> wrote in message > > news:X5Qxb.3147$SF.1859@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com… > > > Cripes … did you even bother to proof read this meandering piece of > > > nonsense? There is very little connection with OSA in what you wrote. As > > to > > > the common decency to diligently apply punctuation, does your keyboard > NOT > > > have comma or period, or are you simply incapable of applying them? > > > — > > > Gary G. Little > > > "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in > > > message news:3fc7b0b8@news.alphalink.com.au… > > > > OMG Gippsland my best friend lives in Leongatha there goes the > > > neighborhood > > > > ha ha > > > > I had my study in the Clayton campus of Monash I live in Chadstone > with > > > this > > > > friend I > > > > have visited the towns of Leongatha and Drouin where his parents live > > > > On one Visit his parents drove us to the loche tea rooms that was nice > I > > > had > > > > iced chocolate > > > > and pink lamingtons > > > > I met my friend at work and we became out of work friends he is a mad > > > bugger > > > > with a totally > > > > wicked sense of humor > > > > Naturally I told him about the sleep test he said they wouldn’t have a > > > > Richter scale big enough to > > > > take the level of my snoring > > > > I hated it wired up like a bomb perhaps my nurse was with alqueda ? > not > > > only > > > > that I am used to > > > > a double bed at home I have no partner so sleep alone > > > > They had me in a single bed against the wall gosh half of me was > almost > > > > hanging off the bed not only > > > > that because it was hot that night it made me more restless > > > > The air conditioner was on all night in my room to so anyway exactly 1 > > > week > > > > after my sleep over my > > > > ears began to hurt then my throat now I have a very heavy cold with > lots > > > of > > > > coughing > > > > Due to ill health I don’t work any more so I didn’t catch something > > there > > > > and the only places I go are up > > > > to the shops > > > > So it was either the shops or the hospital hey that’s a good slogan > come > > > to > > > > hospital and get sick many germs > > > > free flowing take your pick ha ha > > > > All my appointments have to be made with mum present as I don’t drive > so > > > she > > > > takes me not only that when it > > > > was made mum thought she was looking after my sisters 2 and 3 year old > > for > > > > the day > > > > My sister works see so does the kids father so based up on what she > > > thought > > > > she made the appointment for 9 AM > > > > thinking she would be home in time for the kids to be here > > > > Now my sister tells us she is not working on December 1 and the kids > > wont > > > be > > > > here so the appointment could > > > > have been later instead of forcing me to drag my ass out of bed early > > > > grumbles > > > > "Tal" <sleepbethdisord…@softhome.net> wrote in message > > > > news:bq7kf0$1tv59d$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… > > > > > > My question is this depending on the results I suffer > claustrophobia > > > > quite > > > > > > bad actually > > > > > > I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring i > t > > on > > > > > you should try a couple of mask types, there’s one type called nasal > > > > > pillows, there’s less in contact with your face that may help the > > > > > claustrophobia feeling > > > > > there’s also one that instead of going over your nose it goes in > your > > > > mouth > > > > > that you may consider trying out. > > > > > The trick is to get used to having the mask on while you’re awake > and > > > > doing > > > > > something like watching tv….. it helps to become used to it when > > > you’re > > > > > not trying to sleep……less stressful. > > > > > I’m from Gippsland – did you have your study at the Alfred or a diff > > > > > hospital? > > > > > — > > > > > Beth in Australia > > > > > (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is > my > > > > > opinion only unless specified otherwise) > > > > > =================== > > > > > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > > > > > http://talhost.net/sleep > > > > > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > > > > > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles > > > > > Remove my name to reply
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I was going to do a reply to sender but what if the sender didn’t add a real e-mail this is why I sent my reply to the group and if they want to contact me off list they can request this As for my grammar and stuff I was un aware we would be graded on this list by our spelling yes sir dean sir correcting paper sir {Snickers} Where I can I try to remember but mostly I let the spell check work for me so what if my commas and punctuation isn’t correct this isn’t a college is it ? "Gary G. Little" <gary.g.little.nos…@seagate.com> wrote in message news:X5Qxb.3147$SF.1859@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cripes … did you even bother to proof read this meandering piece of > nonsense? There is very little connection with OSA in what you wrote. As to > the common decency to diligently apply punctuation, does your keyboard NOT > have comma or period, or are you simply incapable of applying them? > — > Gary G. Little > "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in > message news:3fc7b0b8@news.alphalink.com.au… > > OMG Gippsland my best friend lives in Leongatha there goes the > neighborhood > > ha ha > > I had my study in the Clayton campus of Monash I live in Chadstone with > this > > friend I > > have visited the towns of Leongatha and Drouin where his parents live > > On one Visit his parents drove us to the loche tea rooms that was nice I > had > > iced chocolate > > and pink lamingtons > > I met my friend at work and we became out of work friends he is a mad > bugger > > with a totally > > wicked sense of humor > > Naturally I told him about the sleep test he said they wouldn’t have a > > Richter scale big enough to > > take the level of my snoring > > I hated it wired up like a bomb perhaps my nurse was with alqueda ? not > only > > that I am used to > > a double bed at home I have no partner so sleep alone > > They had me in a single bed against the wall gosh half of me was almost > > hanging off the bed not only > > that because it was hot that night it made me more restless > > The air conditioner was on all night in my room to so anyway exactly 1 > week > > after my sleep over my > > ears began to hurt then my throat now I have a very heavy cold with lots > of > > coughing > > Due to ill health I don’t work any more so I didn’t catch something there > > and the only places I go are up > > to the shops > > So it was either the shops or the hospital hey that’s a good slogan come > to > > hospital and get sick many germs > > free flowing take your pick ha ha > > All my appointments have to be made with mum present as I don’t drive so > she > > takes me not only that when it > > was made mum thought she was looking after my sisters 2 and 3 year old for > > the day > > My sister works see so does the kids father so based up on what she > thought > > she made the appointment for 9 AM > > thinking she would be home in time for the kids to be here > > Now my sister tells us she is not working on December 1 and the kids wont > be > > here so the appointment could > > have been later instead of forcing me to drag my ass out of bed early > > grumbles > > "Tal" <sleepbethdisord…@softhome.net> wrote in message > > news:bq7kf0$1tv59d$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… > > > > My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia > > quite > > > > bad actually > > > > I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on > > > you should try a couple of mask types, there’s one type called nasal > > > pillows, there’s less in contact with your face that may help the > > > claustrophobia feeling > > > there’s also one that instead of going over your nose it goes in your > > mouth > > > that you may consider trying out. > > > The trick is to get used to having the mask on while you’re awake and > > doing > > > something like watching tv….. it helps to become used to it when > you’re > > > not trying to sleep……less stressful. > > > I’m from Gippsland – did you have your study at the Alfred or a diff > > > hospital? > > > — > > > Beth in Australia > > > (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my > > > opinion only unless specified otherwise) > > > =================== > > > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > > > http://talhost.net/sleep > > > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > > > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles > > > Remove my name to reply
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Cripes … did you even bother to proof read this meandering piece of nonsense? There is very little connection with OSA in what you wrote. As to the common decency to diligently apply punctuation, does your keyboard NOT have comma or period, or are you simply incapable of applying them? — Gary G. Little "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" <vik…@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:3fc7b0b8@news.alphalink.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OMG Gippsland my best friend lives in Leongatha there goes the neighborhood > ha ha > I had my study in the Clayton campus of Monash I live in Chadstone with this > friend I > have visited the towns of Leongatha and Drouin where his parents live > On one Visit his parents drove us to the loche tea rooms that was nice I had > iced chocolate > and pink lamingtons > I met my friend at work and we became out of work friends he is a mad bugger > with a totally > wicked sense of humor > Naturally I told him about the sleep test he said they wouldn’t have a > Richter scale big enough to > take the level of my snoring > I hated it wired up like a bomb perhaps my nurse was with alqueda ? not only > that I am used to > a double bed at home I have no partner so sleep alone > They had me in a single bed against the wall gosh half of me was almost > hanging off the bed not only > that because it was hot that night it made me more restless > The air conditioner was on all night in my room to so anyway exactly 1 week > after my sleep over my > ears began to hurt then my throat now I have a very heavy cold with lots of > coughing > Due to ill health I don’t work any more so I didn’t catch something there > and the only places I go are up > to the shops > So it was either the shops or the hospital hey that’s a good slogan come to > hospital and get sick many germs > free flowing take your pick ha ha > All my appointments have to be made with mum present as I don’t drive so she > takes me not only that when it > was made mum thought she was looking after my sisters 2 and 3 year old for > the day > My sister works see so does the kids father so based up on what she thought > she made the appointment for 9 AM > thinking she would be home in time for the kids to be here > Now my sister tells us she is not working on December 1 and the kids wont be > here so the appointment could > have been later instead of forcing me to drag my ass out of bed early > grumbles > "Tal" <sleepbethdisord…@softhome.net> wrote in message > news:bq7kf0$1tv59d$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… > > > My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia > quite > > > bad actually > > > I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on > > you should try a couple of mask types, there’s one type called nasal > > pillows, there’s less in contact with your face that may help the > > claustrophobia feeling > > there’s also one that instead of going over your nose it goes in your > mouth > > that you may consider trying out. > > The trick is to get used to having the mask on while you’re awake and > doing > > something like watching tv….. it helps to become used to it when you’re > > not trying to sleep……less stressful. > > I’m from Gippsland – did you have your study at the Alfred or a diff > > hospital? > > — > > Beth in Australia > > (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my > > opinion only unless specified otherwise) > > =================== > > FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here > > http://talhost.net/sleep > > Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm > > this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles > > Remove my name to reply
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> My question is this depending on the results I suffer claustrophobia quite > bad actually > I was wondering with any type of mask I may need will this bring it on
you should try a couple of mask types, there’s one type called nasal pillows, there’s less in contact with your face that may help the claustrophobia feeling there’s also one that instead of going over your nose it goes in your mouth that you may consider trying out. The trick is to get used to having the mask on while you’re awake and doing something like watching tv….. it helps to become used to it when you’re not trying to sleep……less stressful. I’m from Gippsland – did you have your study at the Alfred or a diff hospital? — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply
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CPAP has been used for well over 20 years in the hospital environment. The concept was developed fiarly early in the history of ventilating people. There has never been any literature which shows it to be harmful in any way. ALL literature indicates positve benefits for your heart and lungs, with the exception that you have advance Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) Russ "Charles Perrin" <c.l.perrin…@att.net> wrote in message
news:imtfrv4jd49vrn4oevl76r9bh1kiq54vl1@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:52:23 GMT, mr.em…@shaw.ca wrote: > >Yet why do doctors and regulatory bodies insist that cheaper > >and simpler alternatives to treatment such as sprays have > >big fine print on their products to indicate that they > >will not treat sleep apnea? Shouldn’t it be "will not treat sleep > >apnea in ALL cases"? > One of the criteria for a product to be OTC (at least in the USA) is > that the potential patient be able to safely self-select the product > for the condition. > They don’t want patients self-dosing with potent antibiotics, they > don’t want patients self-dosing with psychotherapeutics, they don’t > want patients self-dosing with blood pressure meds… see a trend > here? > IMHO, NOBODY can safely self-select for OSA. > >Are doctors only beholden to other doctors such as the inventor > >of the CPAP (no put-downs here doc, it is an ingenious invention!). > BEHOLDEN? > I would say "met with a great deal of skepticism" until an innovation > been proven to work in extensive studies. > Medical History: The term "vaccination" was originally an insult aimed > at smallpox vaccine…. which has pushed it back to a research lab > curiosity (and potential terrorist item). > >Are busy doctors taking the easy way out by prescribing the one > >and only "proven" treatment. > Medicine is based on science. Medicine is not based on products whose > major characteristics are "As Seen In SPAM." > >Perhaps they have no time to do their own research? > Why would they want to replicate research that’s already been > researched? > Even better, are YOU willing to be the guinea pig? > Or would you prefer the doctor that goes down to the grocery store, > picks up the moldy stuff, and tries to make their own penicillin? > >Perhaps they are just covering their a**es? > To which I’ll say "Doctors generally go against evidence-based > medicine at the peril of their patients." > Even the lawyers have figured this one out. > >Pretty unimaginative and simplistic approach to treatment if you > >ask me. > Using a known and proven treatment is "unimaginative and simplistic?" > Or would you prefer a car mechanic that replaces boxes at random > instead of using the onboard diagnostic computer? > >Has enough medical research been performed on how the body > >"compensates" for sleep apnea? > Enough to indicate that the compensatory mechanisms are hazardous to > your health. Those were well-known when Dr. Sullivan invented the > "Device for Treating Snoring Sickness." > >I am convinced that in a few years time, someone will be writing about > >how CPAP solved one problem and created another one! > The initial cohort of CPAP users have been on their blowers in excess > of 20 years. > Problematic drugs and devices virtually always get flushed out in five > years of extensive usage. > >Forcing pressurized air down your lungs hours at a time > >via mechanical means must come at a price! > First of all, it’s not "forcing pressurized air down your lungs." > That’s a volume ventilator. CPAP is a pressure support ventilator. Big > difference. > Actually, there’s a difference, thanks to a study they did at the > University of Manitoba: People who use CPAP live. People who do > nothing have a significant chance of dying. > >Signed, > >Devil’s Advocate > IMHO, more like: > Signed, > Ostrich > <wink>
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:52:23 GMT, mr.em…@shaw.ca wrote: >What about homeotherapy?
If you beleive in that fine. I certainly don’t. >Before I get blasted, let me tell you I have sleep apnea and I have a >CPAP machine WHICH I HATE! I am convinced that in a few years time, >someone will be writing about how CPAP solved one problem and created >another one! Forcing pressurized air down your lungs hours at a time >via mechanical means must come at a price!
<shrug> Feel shitty all day and can’t work. Or feel fine and can work. Hmm, not much of a choice here. Tony
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:25:45 -0800, Quick wrote: ><mr.em…@shaw.ca> wrote: >> Shouldn’t it be "will not treat sleep apnea in ALL cases"? >>Wouldn’t that be a more accurate representation? >Again, if there was *any* way fo them to make this claim >without getting sued out of existence they would.
Given the principle that an OTC product must be capable of safe self-selection, any miracle spray will flunk. >> Are doctors only beholden to other doctors such as the inventor >> of the CPAP (no put-downs here doc, it is an ingenious invention!). >> Are busy doctors taking the easy way out by prescribing the one >> and only "proven" treatment. Perhaps they have no time to do >> their own research? Perhaps they are just covering their a**es? >> Pretty unimaginative and simplistic approach to treatment if you >> ask me. >Conspiracy theory?… Not all doctors belong to the same "club".
To the behalf of Mr. Devil’s Advocate, they are all licensed by the Government… who may very well pull their license if they get too snake-oily and kill a few patients. After that, they’re only fit to appear in TV ads selling herbal Viagra. (Herbal Viagra actually existed for hundreds of years, they just didn’t know what to call it until Pfizer put sildenafil citrate on the market. If you believe that, there’s some snake oil out on the Web that’s calling your Visa card number. <wink>) >> Before I get blasted, let me tell you I have sleep apnea and I >> have a CPAP machine WHICH I HATE!
IMHO, you need a medical condition worth whining about. CPAP isn’t worth whining about. If you’re going to whine about something, whine about glasses. They get dirty and they get fogged up. >> I am convinced that in a few years time, someone will be writing >> about how CPAP solved one problem and created another one! >This could certainly be true. Right now its the best information we have. >If it does turn out that CPAP is not good for you I hope to be alive >when they assess the risks relative to not using it.
They have 20+ years experience with CPAP. It’s not a new technology by any means.
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:52:23 GMT, mr.em…@shaw.ca wrote: >Yet why do doctors and regulatory bodies insist that cheaper >and simpler alternatives to treatment such as sprays have >big fine print on their products to indicate that they >will not treat sleep apnea? Shouldn’t it be "will not treat sleep >apnea in ALL cases"?
One of the criteria for a product to be OTC (at least in the USA) is that the potential patient be able to safely self-select the product for the condition. They don’t want patients self-dosing with potent antibiotics, they don’t want patients self-dosing with psychotherapeutics, they don’t want patients self-dosing with blood pressure meds… see a trend here? IMHO, NOBODY can safely self-select for OSA. >Are doctors only beholden to other doctors such as the inventor >of the CPAP (no put-downs here doc, it is an ingenious invention!).
BEHOLDEN? I would say "met with a great deal of skepticism" until an innovation been proven to work in extensive studies. Medical History: The term "vaccination" was originally an insult aimed at smallpox vaccine…. which has pushed it back to a research lab curiosity (and potential terrorist item). >Are busy doctors taking the easy way out by prescribing the one >and only "proven" treatment.
Medicine is based on science. Medicine is not based on products whose major characteristics are "As Seen In SPAM." >Perhaps they have no time to do their own research?
Why would they want to replicate research that’s already been researched? Even better, are YOU willing to be the guinea pig? Or would you prefer the doctor that goes down to the grocery store, picks up the moldy stuff, and tries to make their own penicillin? >Perhaps they are just covering their a**es?
To which I’ll say "Doctors generally go against evidence-based medicine at the peril of their patients." Even the lawyers have figured this one out. >Pretty unimaginative and simplistic approach to treatment if you >ask me.
Using a known and proven treatment is "unimaginative and simplistic?" Or would you prefer a car mechanic that replaces boxes at random instead of using the onboard diagnostic computer? >Has enough medical research been performed on how the body >"compensates" for sleep apnea?
Enough to indicate that the compensatory mechanisms are hazardous to your health. Those were well-known when Dr. Sullivan invented the "Device for Treating Snoring Sickness." >I am convinced that in a few years time, someone will be writing about >how CPAP solved one problem and created another one!
The initial cohort of CPAP users have been on their blowers in excess of 20 years. Problematic drugs and devices virtually always get flushed out in five years of extensive usage. >Forcing pressurized air down your lungs hours at a time >via mechanical means must come at a price!
First of all, it’s not "forcing pressurized air down your lungs." That’s a volume ventilator. CPAP is a pressure support ventilator. Big difference. Actually, there’s a difference, thanks to a study they did at the University of Manitoba: People who use CPAP live. People who do nothing have a significant chance of dying. >Signed, >Devil’s Advocate
IMHO, more like: Signed, Ostrich <wink>
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<mr.em…@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:40gfrvc2g0b2fmrfqieevvi0aeqdc18icm@4ax.com… > People snore when there is PARTIAL obstruction of the airways – hence > the sound caused by a maligned path the air takes. People with OSA > stop breathing when this airway is COMPLETELY blocked. > Doesn’t it stand to reason then that when the snoring is stopped via > sprays, dental appliances, etc., the snorer will most likely not have > the chance for the PARTIAL snoring to collapse to FULL obstruction? > This doesn’t sound like rocket science to me for *non-complicated* > (the majority) cases of OSA. Yet why do doctors and regulatory bodies > insist that cheaper and simpler alternatives to treatment such as > sprays have big fine print on their products to indicate that they > will not treat sleep apnea? Shouldn’t it be "will not treat sleep > apnea in ALL cases"? Wouldn’t that be a more accurate representation?
————————————————————————— – ————————— Unless I am misreading you, you appear to be making snoring synonomous with apnea. That is certainly not the case. You can snore without apnea and have apnea without snoring. If I misread you, I apologize. Hal S. —————————————————————— – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Are doctors only beholden to other doctors such as the inventor of the > CPAP (no put-downs here doc, it is an ingenious invention!). Are busy > doctors taking the easy way out by prescribing the one and only > "proven" treatment. Perhaps they have no time to do their own > research? Perhaps they are just covering their a**es? Pretty > unimaginative and simplistic approach to treatment if you ask me. > Has enough medical research been performed on how the body > "compensates" for sleep apnea? Do I hear someone saying "ya, like > nodding off at work!"? What’s the difference between that and someone > going to the bathroom often because he drank too much water just > before a meeting? This only means that the body is working as > intended. What about homeotherapy? > Before I get blasted, let me tell you I have sleep apnea and I have a > CPAP machine WHICH I HATE! I am convinced that in a few years time, > someone will be writing about how CPAP solved one problem and created > another one! Forcing pressurized air down your lungs hours at a time > via mechanical means must come at a price! > Signed, > Devil’s Advocate
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<mr.em…@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:40gfrvc2g0b2fmrfqieevvi0aeqdc18icm@4ax.com… > People snore when there is PARTIAL obstruction of the airways – hence > the sound caused by a maligned path the air takes. People with OSA > stop breathing when this airway is COMPLETELY blocked. > Doesn’t it stand to reason then that when the snoring is stopped via > sprays, dental appliances, etc., the snorer will most likely not have > the chance for the PARTIAL snoring to collapse to FULL obstruction?
How do you explain the people who do not snore at all and still have sleep apnea? > This doesn’t sound like rocket science to me for *non-complicated* > (the majority) cases of OSA. Yet why do doctors and regulatory bodies > insist that cheaper and simpler alternatives to treatment such as > sprays have big fine print on their products to indicate that they > will not treat sleep apnea?
There is a reason for that. Doesn’t it "stand to reason" that these companies selling all these "simpler alternatives to treatment" would advertise that their product treats sleep apnea if it actually did? The estimate in the US is that 5% of the population has sleep apnea. This is a *huge* market in the world of medical/medicine supplies/treatments. Do you really think they wouldn’t go through the testing and certification to claim they treated sleep apnea with their product if they could? > Shouldn’t it be "will not treat sleep > apnea in ALL cases"? Wouldn’t that be a more accurate representation?
Again, if there was *any* way fo them to make this claim without getting sued out of existence they would. > Are doctors only beholden to other doctors such as the inventor of the > CPAP (no put-downs here doc, it is an ingenious invention!). Are busy > doctors taking the easy way out by prescribing the one and only > "proven" treatment. Perhaps they have no time to do their own > research? Perhaps they are just covering their a**es? Pretty > unimaginative and simplistic approach to treatment if you ask me.
Conspiracy theory?… Not all doctors belong to the same "club". > Has enough medical research been performed on how the body > "compensates" for sleep apnea? Do I hear someone saying "ya, like > nodding off at work!"? What’s the difference between that and someone > going to the bathroom often because he drank too much water just > before a meeting? This only means that the body is working as > intended. What about homeotherapy?
What are you saying here? Don’t treat anything because it was "meant to be that way"? A lot of those sprays and such *are* homeotherapy. > Before I get blasted, let me tell you I have sleep apnea and I have a > CPAP machine WHICH I HATE! I am convinced that in a few years time, > someone will be writing about how CPAP solved one problem and created > another one! Forcing pressurized air down your lungs hours at a time > via mechanical means must come at a price!
This could certainly be true. Right now its the best information we have. As far as I know people have died prematurely due to untreated sleep apnea and no one has died as a result of properly prescribed CPAP therapy (they may have died from sleep apnea even though being treated with CPAP but I don’t think anyone has died as a direct cause of CPAP). If it does turn out that CPAP is not good for you I hope to be alive when they assess the risks relative to not using it. I am convinced that I will die much sooner without CPAP so I am going with what little they know now. -Quick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Signed, > Devil’s Advocate
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People snore when there is PARTIAL obstruction of the airways – hence the sound caused by a maligned path the air takes. People with OSA stop breathing when this airway is COMPLETELY blocked. Doesn’t it stand to reason then that when the snoring is stopped via sprays, dental appliances, etc., the snorer will most likely not have the chance for the PARTIAL snoring to collapse to FULL obstruction? This doesn’t sound like rocket science to me for *non-complicated* (the majority) cases of OSA. Yet why do doctors and regulatory bodies insist that cheaper and simpler alternatives to treatment such as sprays have big fine print on their products to indicate that they will not treat sleep apnea? Shouldn’t it be "will not treat sleep apnea in ALL cases"? Wouldn’t that be a more accurate representation? Are doctors only beholden to other doctors such as the inventor of the CPAP (no put-downs here doc, it is an ingenious invention!). Are busy doctors taking the easy way out by prescribing the one and only "proven" treatment. Perhaps they have no time to do their own research? Perhaps they are just covering their a**es? Pretty unimaginative and simplistic approach to treatment if you ask me. Has enough medical research been performed on how the body "compensates" for sleep apnea? Do I hear someone saying "ya, like nodding off at work!"? What’s the difference between that and someone going to the bathroom often because he drank too much water just before a meeting? This only means that the body is working as intended. What about homeotherapy? Before I get blasted, let me tell you I have sleep apnea and I have a CPAP machine WHICH I HATE! I am convinced that in a few years time, someone will be writing about how CPAP solved one problem and created another one! Forcing pressurized air down your lungs hours at a time via mechanical means must come at a price! Signed, Devil’s Advocate
