Mis-understanding
Question:
> Pardon me, but Ha! I couldn’t agree more. You are right about one set of > parents. My sincere apologies if this seemed to be an order.
Again, no problem. I had to take some assertive classes to keep from being bossed around by anyone so that’s why I reacted the way I did. It’s over – let’s just move on. > Yes it is. Generally I do not recommend medication unless most other common > sense methods have been attempted. And surgery is way down on the bottom of > the list. We’ve had people die due to surgery. However, we’ve also had far > too many people who due to denial and fear of medical treatments attempted > non-effective techniques for their specific problems.
I always tell people to get regular check ups and consult a doctor before using any products which is what I did. he gave his blessings. It really is about educating the person. > I’m not saying your products may not help. But many times it should be wedded > to medical treatment as well. Unfortunately, there have been many before you > who were only interested in their own income.
My goal is to help people get out of pain. I have a job that supports me just fine. > As I noted very few people really are concerned about others when they post > those > ads or testimonials. And unfortunately it shows up fairly quickly.
It’s a shame because people are being helped. Frustration with a problem tend to close the mind as well. > My apolgies that I extended less than the trust your signature implies. You > have attemped to help. Unfortunately for you, too many other people ahead of > you already poisoned the well in this newsgroup.
And that’s what I get for ASSUMING. Deb — Yesterday is history; tomorrow is a mystery; today is a gift; that’s why it’s called the Present.
Response:
> Please understand that many sleep disorders are life threatening. We take > this support site seriously. I’m glad you were helped by this. Unfortunately > a placebo effect will NOT help many people on this newsgroup.
I am responding to you again because your tone is more receptive. In regards to taking sleep disorders seriously, I do. My situation is one of insomia, neck and back problems from being abused by my ex-husband. I know how life threatening this stuff can be. However, I have helped my partner spread the word about these products and what they have done for me and others. We have helped children get better with the products which would dispell the placebo effect, but we adults tend to think too much. > No you didn’t. How clever. But your posting history makes it pretty clear. I > note that you won’t mention the address until someone sends you a private > email. Why?
Because my partner told me it was against policy. Once it becomes private e-mail, then it is OK to disclose everything. Besides, know one is going to read a bio in a public forum anyway. > No. One thing you will find is that I tend to be polite all the time. > Assertive is not impolite. It is refusing to allow others to endanger the > lives of others.
The products I use are completely safe. I don’t see how it would endanger anyone’s life. Medication… that’s a different story. > I’m supposed to be impressed that your partner in your business is into > multi-level marketing?
My partner is the business. I am his #1 customer i.e. his walking testimonial advertisement. I didn’t know I was trying to impress anything on you, let alone MLM. > And since you have a clear business association with your partner this means > you are not involved in a multi-level marketing arrangement. Unfortunately > facts do tend to speak for themselves.
I am involved, just not directly. > Deb, I’m truly glad you tried to help others. Yet, Internet etiquette bans > all forms of advertising in support groups.
I guess a testimonial would have been better, but it seems from your comments that others have already exposed the products to people on the NG. > You did it once, I was attempting to politely let you know this goes against > the philosophy on > newsgroup. So, cease and desist is a polite request that you learn to never > do it again.
I still don’t know about that "cease and disist" being polite. It comes off as being an order and I only have one set of parents. I can think of better ways. > By the way, you apology is welcome. Based on the tone of your original post, > it was pretty clear that you did not realize we would interpret this as > advertising. I tried to politely inform you of this. I am sorry if you got > angry. That was certainly not my intent.
No problem. > If openness bothers you, please don’t come back to the newsgroup.
Openness is honesty. > I’m sorry that you are so upset. I have attempted to maintain a civil tone, > because you clearly were attempting to help others. However, you also clearly > did not recognize how the newsgroup would act.
So far, it’s been 2 people in 1 day. Sould I feel lucky? > By the way – you don’t know how important this concept is for many of us on > this newsgroup.
Sure I do, that’s why I use it. It is for me. > Many of us (myself included) simply have no assurance that tomorrow really > will exist. This was again why I attempted to be polite in our conversation. > You clearly do seem to understand how important life is… And that it really > is a Present for us to enjoy and use to the > fullest.
Amen. Deb — Yesterday is history; tomorrow is a mystery; today is a gift; that’s why it’s called the Present.
Response:
Deb, You noted (sorry this will be out of order): > I still don’t know about that "cease and disist" > being polite. It comes off as being an order and > I only have one set of parents. I can think of > better ways.
Pardon me, but Ha! I couldn’t agree more. You are right about one set of parents. My sincere apologies if this seemed to be an order. I could probably use lots of reasons that my post was so curt. (There was very recently a flame fest due to someone with a similar post, which escalated out of control. Also I’ve had very serious health problems and tend to be less patient than I should be). But I certainly did not intend to be anything other than polite. My apologies that it came across otherwise. > In regards to taking sleep disorders seriously, > I do. My situation is one of insomia, neck and > back problems from being abused by my ex-husband. > I know how life threatening this stuff can be.
I would say you do. You certainly have my sympathy. We’ve helped several friends escape from such monstrous situations. There is no excuse for such behaviour, and I certainly wish the justice system took such problems more seriously. > The products I use are completely safe. I don’t > see how it would endanger anyone’s life. Medication… > that’s a different story.
Yes it is. Generally I do not recommend medication unless most other common sense methods have been attempted. And surgery is way down on the bottom of the list. We’ve had people die due to surgery. However, we’ve also had far too many people who due to denial and fear of medical treatments attempted non-effective techniques for their specific problems. They only to discovered years later that their denial resulted in permanent damage to their health (heart attack, congestive heart failure, stroke, to name just three problems we’ve seen!) I’m not saying your products may not help. But many times it should be wedded to medical treatment as well. Unfortunately, there have been many before you who were only interested in their own income. > I guess a testimonial would have been better, but it > seems from your comments that others have already > exposed the products to people on the NG.
Yup. And did a poor job of it. Even testimonials get shouted down. As I noted very few people really are concerned about others when they post those ads or testimonials. And unfortunately it shows up fairly quickly. > So far, it’s been 2 people in 1 day. Sould I > feel lucky?
Believe it or not, yes. I continue to attempt to apply my own personal beliefs to everything that I do. About two months ago, during that flame fest I mentioned, the newsgroup became quite ugly in tone and approach. I attempted to be the voice of moderation, which only caused one to turn on me. That person has since left. I am sorry about that because he has a great deal of experience and insight to contribute. >> By the way – you don’t know how important this >> concept is for many of us on this newsgroup. > Sure I do, that’s why I use it. It is for me.
My apolgies that I extended less than the trust your signature implies. You have attemped to help. Unfortunately for you, too many other people ahead of you already poisoned the well in this newsgroup. Grace and peace, =jbf= John B. Fisher
