So he gave me speed.

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>From: margwilliam…@hotmail.com (Marg Williamson) >My husband and I use a company called Pharmacy Brokers International >You can find them at http://shop.pharmacybrokers.com

Are they using different math or am I just not getting something? In checking out the price of Allegra, I see they send a quantity of 72 and state that it’s a 90 day supply. A 90 day supply for me would be 180. I wonder where they came up with an odd quantity of 72.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Don Brady <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message <news:4p136vcl5r64edmsg53aqb1rj2qi272971@4ax.com>… > On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 03:35:56 GMT, sleepl…@nospam.org wrote: > >Ok I’ve done that before.. can’t do that with flonase now though.. > >glaxo cut off all the Canadian pharmacies that sell to Americans. I > >hope the other big drug companies do not do the same. > >I had a real bad experience with RXnorth.com though. I paid $145.00 > >for one prescription including $10.00 for insurance. My package never > >came, rxnorth.com told me to wait a month so I did. After one month > >it still had not come (I bought the medicines locally for twice as > >much) and rxnorth.com refused to file for insurance. They said they > >had no proof that I had not received the drugs. The package was last > >scanned at my local post office but never made it to my mail box. > >Rxnorth.com said that it made it to my local post office (in another > >zip code) was proof enough that it came and they refused to file for > >insurance.. The transaction was a total loss for me. > If you charged on a credit card, you can charge in back to them, if you act > fast enough.

My husband and I use a company called Pharmacy Brokers International to get our prescription medications from. They have been very reliable and are always prompt and courteous to deal with. They also state on their site that they are not affected by the glaxo decision, so that may help you. I have found them to be very helpful and even follow-up with you personally to make sure you got your package and everything is to your satisfaction. Definately top marks for customer service. You can find them at http://shop.pharmacybrokers.com or call them at 1-866-438-7444. Best Regards, Marg Williamson

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On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 01:48:49 GMT, sleepl…@nospam.org wrote: >The nurse at urget care said that it’s not the best thing to take antihystamines when you have a >sinus infetion so I stopped taking them.

Antihistamines do dry out your sinuses. This is not good really for most/many people with sinusitis. It can make things worse. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I tend to have manic reactions to drugs so I have to be >extra careful. >I’m on my third day of prenisone right now and I feel horrible.. sigh.. only one more day to go >though.

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Pleudoephedrine – Sudafed – has been around since before the 60’s. If there were a rebound, surely we would have seen it by now. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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There was a while when I was taking a 12-Hour Claritin-D (120mg slow release pseudoephedrine plus Claritin) morning AND night. Or sometimes I would just take it at night. It was a light sleep, but sometimes I would wake up feeling great. Of course I got to where I depended on pseudoephedrine to do anything. The ups and downs were bad. And I dropped 15 pounds. What I really wonder is if it is bad for you long term. Rhinitis medicamendosa is caused by topical decongestants like Afrin, but I wonder if anyone has ever funded a study to show ill effects of long-term pseudoephedrine use on the nasal mucosa/turbinates. It seems that constant vasoconstriction cannot be good for tissue. The big pharmaceutical companies aren’t going to slap a warning on anything, though. <nos…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:ba6edbf6a25ad8d9bcc22cb80a6943b4@news.teranews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have sleep apea that I think is caused by sinus disease. A cat > scan has > proven in the past that I have sinus disease. > I asked my doctor ENT if there was anything he could do to help me so > I could > sleep tonight. > So he gave me speed. > pseudoephedrine to be exact.. > In the waiting room I noticed Allegra pens and other signs that the > Allegra drug > rep had been by. > I also noticed an Astra Zenca Calander. > I commented to my boyfriend "you watch I’m going to leave this office > with a > prescription for allegra even though I don’t have allergies" > The doctor asked me three times if I had allergies and I said no each > time.. so > he gave me many samples of the allergy drug allegra.. Allegra is > pseudoephedrine and is contra indicated as a treatment for insomnia.

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I have osteoarthritis and was on Vioxx at one time. It is very expensive, but was wonderful for the pain. However, my blood pressure was vbery high; was on 6 medications for it and it was still high. Stopped Vioxx and rheumy put me on pain medication and BP began to drop. Now on just two RX’s and BP is good. Gwen

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Most persons with polyps are sensitive to aspirin and all aspirin products such as Motrin, Aleve, etc. Taking these can enlarge the polyps. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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I know exactly how you feel. I know the 120 mg slow release Claritin-D or Allegra-D is ’speedy’, but there was actually a point when I was taking one at night and actually sleeping better. It was a light sleep, but I actually breathed. That was before my sinus surgery. Later I became convinced that my addiction to pseudoephedrine could actually be bad for my nose and sinuses. After all, topical decongestants like Afrin are strongly restricted from regular use. But oral decongestants like pseudoephedrine are supposedly fine for long-term use–do they dry out the mucosa? I certainly used to experience rebound with those 120 mg tablets. I think I suffer from dryness of the mucosa: whatever mucous is there (very little) is sticky. I just started on Celebrex anti-inflammatory for an injury, and I’m thinking it might take down sinus/turbinate swelling. Antibiotics have been absolutely pointless for me. I don’t have ordinary infection–just inflammation. And it’s the same, week after week (for about the past 3 years). Maybe it’s thyroid?? Blood test normal. Maybe it’s Rheumatoid something …? Nothing. Oh well.!! GOOD LUCK! <nos…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:ba6edbf6a25ad8d9bcc22cb80a6943b4@news.teranews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have sleep apea that I think is caused by sinus disease. A cat > scan has > proven in the past that I have sinus disease. > I asked my doctor ENT if there was anything he could do to help me so > I could > sleep tonight. > So he gave me speed. > pseudoephedrine to be exact.. > In the waiting room I noticed Allegra pens and other signs that the > Allegra drug > rep had been by. > I also noticed an Astra Zenca Calander. > I commented to my boyfriend "you watch I’m going to leave this office > with a > prescription for allegra even though I don’t have allergies" > The doctor asked me three times if I had allergies and I said no each > time.. so > he gave me many samples of the allergy drug allegra.. Allegra is > pseudoephedrine and is contra indicated as a treatment for insomnia.

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Tea with lemon and chicken soup are more effective for thinning the mucus. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 03:35:56 GMT, sleepl…@nospam.org wrote: >Ok I’ve done that before.. can’t do that with flonase now though.. >glaxo cut off all the Canadian pharmacies that sell to Americans. I >hope the other big drug companies do not do the same. >I had a real bad experience with RXnorth.com though. I paid $145.00 >for one prescription including $10.00 for insurance. My package never >came, rxnorth.com told me to wait a month so I did. After one month >it still had not come (I bought the medicines locally for twice as >much) and rxnorth.com refused to file for insurance. They said they >had no proof that I had not received the drugs. The package was last >scanned at my local post office but never made it to my mail box. >Rxnorth.com said that it made it to my local post office (in another >zip code) was proof enough that it came and they refused to file for >insurance.. The transaction was a total loss for me.

If you charged on a credit card, you can charge in back to them, if you act fast enough.

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 03:05:56 GMT, sleepl…@nospam.org wrote: >My new ENT gave me two bottles of flonase and an appointment for a CT >scan. I hope I can get him to prescribe nasaquart instead because the >flonase stings and I am worried about the preservative in it and I >don’t want to give any more money to Glaxo. >I wonder if there is a generic steroid nasal spray on the market? I >have no prescription drug coverage.

No but you can buy them a lot cheaper from the Canadian Internet pharmacies.

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>I wonder if there is a generic steroid nasal spray on the market? I >have no prescription drug coverage.

Call the manufacturer of the drug(s) you need and tell the operator you’d like to speak to someone about the patient assistance program. Nearly all pharmaceutical companies have such a department now. They’ll send you a form to fill out, with a portion to be filled out by your doc or pharmacist and you’ll get three months supply at either a very low cost or no cost. You can do this every three months, I’m told. Go here to check it out http://www.phrma.org/pap/ but be aware that the information is not up to date. There are drugs not listed here that are part of the program, so you really have to call the manufacturer to get the most up to date scoop.

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The first thing I think of when hearing thick gunk is whether there is sufficient hydration. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sleepl…@nospam.org wrote: >No I have not had my sleep study yet, I’m on the waiting list for a >sleep study at my local hospital. I have read that some severe cases >of polyps do present as sleep apnea so I am not yet ready to give up >home and assume I will have to depend on a machine. Also all the post >nasal discharge has made my throat irritated and swollen and is >contributing to my sleep problems. I have to wake up to swallow all >the gunk every few minutes. >My SO has sleep apnea and I have done a fair amount of research on the >subject.

Sue M.

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My ENT seems to think that I can control the polyps somewhat with the nasal steroid spray. The latest he likes to use is the Rhinocort AQ. I have had surgery 8 years ago to remove some polypoid material, so I don’t know if that makes it more efficient. It is supposed to cut down on irritation/inflammation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sleepl…@nospam.org wrote: >I"ve been drinking lots of water lately and cut back on the coffee.. >it actually not that thick at this point.. just constant and >irritating at night. >On 02 Mar 2003 00:35:25 GMT, in alt.support.sinusitis >suemil…@aol.comnospam (Sue milham) wrote: >>The first thing I think of when hearing thick gunk is whether there is >>sufficient hydration. >>sleepl…@nospam.org wrote: >>>No I have not had my sleep study yet, I’m on the waiting list for a >>>sleep study at my local hospital. I have read that some severe cases >>>of polyps do present as sleep apnea so I am not yet ready to give up >>>home and assume I will have to depend on a machine. Also all the post >>>nasal discharge has made my throat irritated and swollen and is >>>contributing to my sleep problems. I have to wake up to swallow all >>>the gunk every few minutes. >>>My SO has sleep apnea and I have done a fair amount of research on the >>>subject.

Sue M.

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On Thr, 27 Feb 2003 04:12:50 GMT, nos…@nospam.com wrote: >Yes I believe the congestion in my nose is waking me up. I don’t know >why but I try to breath through my nose when I am asleep. I’ve never >really been able to breath through my nose.

If it is just nasal congestion, a steroid spray (e.g. Nasonex or Flonase) has a good chance of opening it up if used every day.

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Allegra itself is not pseudoephedrine. there is a product called Allegra D that has this in it. Most persons take this at night without difficulty. Murray Grossan, M.D. http://www.ent-consult.com http://www.TinnitusRelief.net http://www.emedicine.com/ent/topic516.htm

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On Thr, 27 Feb 2003 19:44:45 GMT, nos…@nospam.com wrote: >http://www.nofreelunch.org

It looks like an excellent site. Are you a doctor or medical student?

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On Thr, 27 Feb 2003 19:44:38 GMT, nos…@nospam.com wrote: >>If it is just nasal congestion, a steroid spray (e.g. Nasonex or Flonase) has a >>good chance of opening it up if used every day. >I have polyps in my septum is pushed off to the side..

A nasal steroid spray would still help.

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"Don Brady" <dbr…@pobox.com> wrote in message

news:5o1t5vsccfusqou0856q1qgbpajboqsbou@4ax.com… > Are you a doctor or medical student?

Dan, is it likely that someone who thinks that Allegra is pseudoephedrine, and refers to the latter as "speed", is a doctor or medical student?

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<nos…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:6495624eda588f759e8692db6cd0a237@news.teranews.com… > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:47:21 -0500, in alt.support.sinusitis Don Brady > I’m using one.. I hope it does the trick.. I really don’t want a sleep > apnea machine..

Although a large percentage of sleep apnea sufferers also have nasal and sinus problems, an improvement in nasal/sinus symptoms doesn’t usually "cure" the sleep apnea. Again, have you had a sleep study? There is a newsgroup that has a lot of info about sleep apnea, I think it’s alt.support.sleep-disorders. Also good web based discussion groups. (I think one is at www.sleepnet.com.) (Not sure that’s the URL though.)

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Dear Nospamnospam, Allegra is not pseudoephedrine. It is an antihistamine. (Although, as Don mentions, Allegra-D has pseudoephedrine added to the antihistamine.) You don’t need your doctor to prescribe you pseudoephedrine. It is available over the counter in any drug store. (Sudafed, etc.) It is an effective decongestant, and perhaps could help your congestion more than the Allegra. However, it’s true that with some people (not everyone) it could make sleeping more difficult. (Antihistamines do the opposite–make you sleepier, although the new ones like Allegra much less so than the old ones like diphenhydramine (Benadryl). (That’s also the main ingredient in many OTC sleep medicines.) The word "speed" is usually used for amphetamines, which are controlled substances. Obviously the FDA considers Sudafed much safer than methamphetamine, since the former is available over the counter, and the latter is highly controlled. Not everyone can take PSE though–if one has high blood pressure, urinary problems, etc., better to avoid it. Every doctor’s office I’ve been to is filled with free things they get from the drug reps, with the drug’s name on them. You will see Allegra pens in many doctor’s offices, calendars from drug companies, etc., etc., etc. I also don’t like that, but it doesn’t mean that the Allegra rep was just there. He or she was probably there at some time, but it could have been quite a while before your doctor visit. You say that you "don’t have allergies". How do you know that? Most people with chronic sinusitis also have allergies, that inflame the nose and sinuses, and make them more prone to infection. Even if an allergy test didn’t show allergies, you could have allergies to substances that weren’t on the test. The doc probably had a lot of extra Allegra samples to get rid of, and thought you might as well try it. If it is not the -D version, there is no decongestant in it, and it is not likely to keep you awake. I’d suggest trying them. Not likely to have any harmful effect. Have you been diagnosed as having sleep apnea? Did you have a sleep study? Are you using a CPAP machine? <nos…@nospam.com> wrote in message

news:ba6edbf6a25ad8d9bcc22cb80a6943b4@news.teranews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have sleep apea that I think is caused by sinus disease. A cat > scan has > proven in the past that I have sinus disease. > I asked my doctor ENT if there was anything he could do to help me so > I could > sleep tonight. > So he gave me speed. > pseudoephedrine to be exact.. > In the waiting room I noticed Allegra pens and other signs that the > Allegra drug > rep had been by. > I also noticed an Astra Zenca Calander. > I commented to my boyfriend "you watch I’m going to leave this office > with a > prescription for allegra even though I don’t have allergies" > The doctor asked me three times if I had allergies and I said no each > time.. so > he gave me many samples of the allergy drug allegra.. Allegra is > pseudoephedrine and is contra indicated as a treatment for insomnia.

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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:52:59 GMT, nos…@nospam.com wrote: > I have sleep apea that I think is caused by sinus disease. A cat >scan has proven in the past that I have sinus disease. >I asked my doctor ENT if there was anything he could do to help me so >I could sleep tonight. >So he gave me speed. >pseudoephedrine to be exact.. >In the waiting room I noticed Allegra pens and other signs that the >Allegra drug rep had been by. >I also noticed an Astra Zenca Calander. >I commented to my boyfriend "you watch I’m going to leave this office >with a >prescription for allegra even though I don’t have allergies"

Allegra-D has pseudoephedrine but regular Allegra does not. See http://www.allegra.com . But by all means switch to a different doctor. Someone at a major University medical should be a good choice,

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It makes it all so easy when you’ve just had the drug rep come by. No thinking necessary. I wouldn’t think that sinusitis is sleep apnea. I guess he was thinking the congestion that keeps you from breathing wakes you up? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -nos…@nospam.com wrote: > I have sleep apea that I think is caused by sinus disease. A cat >scan has >proven in the past that I have sinus disease. >I asked my doctor ENT if there was anything he could do to help me so >I could >sleep tonight. >So he gave me speed. >pseudoephedrine to be exact.. >In the waiting room I noticed Allegra pens and other signs that the >Allegra drug >rep had been by. >I also noticed an Astra Zenca Calander. >I commented to my boyfriend "you watch I’m going to leave this office >with a >prescription for allegra even though I don’t have allergies" >The doctor asked me three times if I had allergies and I said no each >time.. so >he gave me many samples of the allergy drug allegra.. Allegra is >pseudoephedrine and is contra indicated as a treatment for insomnia.