W/o meds?
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Jose Martinez wrote: > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002 00:26:50 -0000, "Zorg" > <z…@furryworm.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >>Never heard of folk etymology? > The U.S. is a gold mine of folk etymology — all those nasty Europeans > invading had to make sense of Native American words. > Overall, though, my favorite is "sparrowgrass" from "sparagus", itself > from "asparagus". ("Kickshaw" from the French "quelque chose" is good > too.) > JM
I once read that ‘avocado’ derived from an Aztec word for scrotum. How often have I mentioned that at dinner parties, LOL. Zorg
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Ann, unless I see an "M.D." credential next to your name, please stop trying to insult my intelligence when I offer what knowledge I offer on this ng. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Like with OCD, CBT is helpful in all degrees of illness, and medication >may be required in the ’severe’ range of both OCD and depression. Like >with OCD, meds can provide relief from symptoms but they are not a cure. >What a person does in that period of relief can greatly affect the >outcome of their OCD and/or depression. > > CBT works much better on OCD, >As opposed to CBT working on depression? I’m unaware of any research >that has even studied that. What I am aware of, from what I have read, >is that CBT was developed as a treatment for depresssion over 30 years >ago, it has just recently been used to treat OCD (and other anxiety >disorders). CBT for depression has been found to be just as effective as >medication and more effective in preventing relapses. > > but of course all treatments > > should be tried until the desired results are reached. >Indeed.
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"Zorg" <z…@furryworm.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:aq55sr$fg8$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk… > I once read that ‘avocado’ derived from an Aztec word for scrotum. How > often have I mentioned that at dinner parties, LOL.
Would have been a short dinner party for me Zorg. Lain – lain is like a brilliant drunk blathering on about this and that but never really tieing everything they say into an intelligible thought – http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=Lain&type=1
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INaFog5716 wrote:
> Ann, unless I see an "M.D." credential next to your name, please stop > trying to insult my intelligence when I offer what knowledge I offer > on this ng. Mary, unless you’ve actually tried any sort of therapy besides taking meds, please stop trying to discount the importance of CBT as being only useful in mild/moderate cases. – ARQ, the ancestral sheep genotype, M.D.
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INaFog5716 wrote:
> Yes I’m sure it may help minor depression, but not major which is > quite debililating. Like with OCD, CBT is helpful in all degrees of illness, and medication may be required in the ’severe’ range of both OCD and depression. Like with OCD, meds can provide relief from symptoms but they are not a cure. What a person does in that period of relief can greatly affect the outcome of their OCD and/or depression. > CBT works much better on OCD, As opposed to CBT working on depression? I’m unaware of any research that has even studied that. What I am aware of, from what I have read, is that CBT was developed as a treatment for depresssion over 30 years ago, it has just recently been used to treat OCD (and other anxiety disorders). CBT for depression has been found to be just as effective as medication and more effective in preventing relapses. > but of course all treatments > should be tried until the desired results are reached. Indeed.
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I just wanna hear some damn success stories about people making it without meds. Thanks. -Ryan H.
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Ryan H. wrote:
> I just wanna hear some damn success stories about people making it > without meds. I know two people. First, a woman who had moderate OCD symptoms (ie, they interferred greatly on her life but she wasn’t home-bound or anything), and went through CBT without meds. She alive and well and feels ‘much better’. Second, was a man with mild-moderate OCD with a story much like the woman above. I don’t think you’ll hear too many ’success stories about people making it without meds’ though, not because the stories do not exist (cos they do) but the vaste majority of people that seek help for their OCD are almost automatically prescribed meds whether they’ve had a go at CBT medfree or not. Many, many, people that seek help for their OCD are not even given the option of CBT. For many people the choice in getter well seems to be take meds or suffer, so the idea of ‘making it’ medfree doesn’t might not seem to be an option for some people. Additionally, many people that seek help for their OCD are really suffering, ie, it has gotten so bad, they can’t pretend they don’t have a problem anymore, and at that point, meds can be appropriate. Another point is, I’m guessing, that most people that have ‘made it’ are not going to be here at alt.support.ocd – an ng for something that doesn’t bother them much, if at all, anymore. This is all very general, but it might explain why you might not get many of the stories you’re after. I know there are a few stories in books about OCD. I specifically remember one in ‘Stop Obsessing’ (Foa and Wilson) about a woman Gustina (I think) with bad OCD who got better without meds, by going to OCD support groups and her own self-help efforts.
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CBT is very important for people w/OCD….but I think meds may be a necessity for the people that have the accompanying depression (that may have physical symptoms like stomach disorders (nausea/IBS), heart palpitations, sleep disorders, GAD, ADD). Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Ryan H. wrote: > > I just wanna hear some damn success stories about people making it > > without meds. >I know two people. First, a woman who had moderate OCD symptoms (ie, >they interferred greatly on her life but she wasn’t home-bound or >anything), and went through CBT without meds. She alive and well and >feels ‘much better’. Second, was a man with mild-moderate OCD with a >story much like the woman above. >I don’t think you’ll hear too many ’success stories about people making >it without meds’ though, not because the stories do not exist (cos they >do) but the vaste majority of people that seek help for their OCD are >almost automatically prescribed meds whether they’ve had a go at CBT >medfree or not. Many, many, people that seek help for their OCD are not >even given the option of CBT. For many people the choice in getter well >seems to be take meds or suffer, so the idea of ‘making it’ medfree >doesn’t might not seem to be an option for some people. >Additionally, many people that seek help for their OCD are really >suffering, ie, it has gotten so bad, they can’t pretend they don’t have >a problem anymore, and at that point, meds can be appropriate. >Another point is, I’m guessing, that most people that have ‘made it’ are >not going to be here at alt.support.ocd – an ng for something that >doesn’t bother them much, if at all, anymore. >This is all very general, but it might explain why you might not get >many of the stories you’re after. >I know there are a few stories in books about OCD. I specifically >remember one in ‘Stop Obsessing’ (Foa and Wilson) about a woman Gustina >(I think) with bad OCD who got better without meds, by going to OCD >support groups and her own self-help efforts.
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I have relatively mild OCD of the pure obsessional type and manage it without meds. I’ve had some bad experiences with medication including a suicide attempt brought on by a reaction to the meds. I simply don’t handle medication well so I do without it. I’ve had a lot of therapy over the years and now do my own version of CBT as well as meditate and read a lot of self-help and inspirational books. Nancy "Ryan H." <bane…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:S2Zw9.212588$md1.48569@sccrnsc03… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just wanna hear some damn success stories about people making it without > meds. > Thanks. > -Ryan H.
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On 11/3/02 7:58 AM, INaFog5716 bravely spewed forth the following diatribe: > CBT is very important for people w/OCD….but I think meds may be a necessity > for the people that have the accompanying depression (that may have physical > symptoms like stomach disorders (nausea/IBS), heart palpitations, sleep > disorders, GAD, ADD). > Mary
Mary, I didn’t realize how true this was until I tried to get off of meds and saw all the other things (anxiety, depression) that the meds were helping. (note: please use newsgroup ettiquete and reply at bottom of posts)
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INaFog5716 wrote:
> CBT is very important for people w/OCD….but I think meds may be a > necessity for the people that have the accompanying depression CBT is also very important for people with depression, whether they have OCD or not. CBT is a treatment for depression as well as OCD.
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>CBT is also very important for people with depression, whether they have >OCD or not. CBT is a treatment for depression as well as OCD.
Yes I’m sure it may help minor depression, but not major which is quite debililating. CBT works much better on OCD, but of course all treatments should be tried until the desired results are reached. Mary
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"Ann R Quay" <ann.r.q…@virgin.net> wrote in message news:3DC57D6F.6010701@virgin.net… > More interesting trivia –> In English pubs, ale is ordered by pints > and quarts. So in old England, when customers got unruly, the bartender > would yell at them to mind their own pints and quarts and settle down. > It’s where we get the phrase "mind your P’s and Q’s."
Never heard of folk etymology? Zorg
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"Ryan H." <bane…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:S2Zw9.212588$md1.48569@sccrnsc03… > I just wanna hear some damn success stories about people making it without > meds.
I don’t know if you can call it a success story, but I do not take meds for my obsessions. ARQ has pointed out that this could be due to me inadvertently not giving in to compulsions (such as avaoidence), thus my obsessions never grew to a level where I would need to take meds to keep on going. Anyway, just a thought. — Lain – lain is like a brilliant drunk blathering on about this and that but never really tieing everything they say into an intelligible thought – http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=Lain&type=1
