Waking Up Numb

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:28:45 +0100, in alt.support.sleep-disorder Roy Schestowitz <newsgro…@schestowitz.com> wrote: >I sometimes decide that I want to wake up, knowing that I am asleep. It >might take a few seconds for my body to obey my brain. However, I was >sometimes able to open up my eyes, fully aware of my environment, and yet, >I was not able to talk or move. A really great effort could ’snap’ me out >of this state, but going back to sleep was the easier solution. >Can somebody please explain? Should I provide more information? I do not >consider this a problem, but I long for an explanation as I am very >curious.

It’s a dream.. you only dreamed that you opened your eyes.

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Roy, This is quite common when some takes naps like in a chair. It could take a minute for the body to response when you waited to wake up from REM state. Are you sure that your eyes are open when this happens? You could still be dreaming trying to wake up. "Roy Schestowitz" <newsgro…@schestowitz.com> wrote in message

news:d3qsuq$1i7k$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was about 16 when I initially found out that I was able to wake up while > my body remained, in some sense, asleep. The experience was scary at the > time, though ever since it has been somewhat humorous. > Voluntary ‘reproduction’ of this situation is hard and this recurs maybe > once a year or less. I presume it is possible owing to the fact that I feel > rather Conscious while asleep. > Allow me to explain this is more detail. I never found an explanation and > nothing relevant comes up in search engines. > I sometimes decide that I want to wake up, knowing that I am asleep. It > might take a few seconds for my body to obey my brain. However, I was > sometimes able to open up my eyes, fully aware of my environment, and yet, > I was not able to talk or move. A really great effort could ’snap’ me out > of this state, but going back to sleep was the easier solution. > Can somebody please explain? Should I provide more information? I do not > consider this a problem, but I long for an explanation as I am very > curious. > Roy > — > Roy S. Schestowitz > http://Schestowitz.com

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Roy Schestowitz wrote:

: I was about 16 when I initially found out that I was able to wake up while : my body remained, in some sense, asleep. The experience was scary at the : time, though ever since it has been somewhat humorous. this reminds me a bit of my experiences with sleep paralysis, only i find it terrifying instead of humorous. i feel as though i can’t move or breathe, as if there were a weight on my chest or something pinning me down. a lot of the time i’m still sort of in a dream and i imagine stuff is happening that isn’t. dunno if there’s much to be done about it unless it’s a symptom of some other sleep disorder. — deb not a fan.

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John wrote: > Roy, > This is quite common when some takes naps like in a chair. It could take a > minute for the body to response when you waited to wake up from REM state. > Are you sure that your eyes are open when this happens? You could still be > dreaming trying to wake up.

This happens only when I lie supine on a chair or something similar. I’m sorry that I forget to mention this beforehand. However, I hadn’t realised it until I read about sleep paralysis. I even realised that a close friend of mine experiences sleep paralysis as well (when reading). This happened to me again yesterday and I tried the rapid eye open-and-close method that I read about in Wikipedia (my friend pointed to http://www.skepdic.com/sleepparalysis.html). This seemed to have worked. What I dislike the most is the sensing a "presence" which is uncomfoting if you fall asleep in a building the size of a stadium where you work solely at night. Roy — Roy S. Schestowitz http://Schestowitz.com

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John wrote: > Roy, > This is quite common when some takes naps like in a chair. It could take a > minute for the body to response when you waited to wake up from REM state. > Are you sure that your eyes are open when this happens? You could still be > dreaming trying to wake up.

This happens only when I lie supine on a chair or something similar. I’m sorry that I forget to mention this beforehand. However, I hadn’t realised it until I read about sleep paralysis. I even realised that a close friend of mine experiences sleep paralysis as well (when reading). This happened to me again yesterday and I tried the rapid eye open-and-close method that I read about in Wikipedia (my friend pointed to http://www.skepdic.com/sleepparalysis.html). This seemed to have worked. What I dislike the most is the sensing a "presence" which is uncomforting if you fall asleep in a building the size of a stadium where you work solely at night. Roy — Roy S. Schestowitz http://Schestowitz.com

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sine nomine wrote: > Roy Schestowitz wrote: > : I was about 16 when I initially found out that I was able to wake up > : while my body remained, in some sense, asleep. The experience was scary > : at the time, though ever since it has been somewhat humorous. > this reminds me a bit of my experiences with sleep paralysis, only i > find it terrifying instead of humorous. i feel as though i can’t move > or breathe, as if there were a weight on my chest or something pinning > me down. a lot of the time i’m still sort of in a dream and i imagine > stuff is happening that isn’t. dunno if there’s much to be done about > it unless it’s a symptom of some other sleep disorder.

Read the sources which people mentioned in this thread. A few days ago I did not even know what sleep paralysis was. The text refers to the exact same symptoms which you mentioned, but it is a rarity. Regarding humour/terror, my only worry is that if someone were to see me in the temporary state of paralysis (though it only lasts seconds), an emergency call could be made in vain. Roy — Roy S. Schestowitz http://Schestowitz.com

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"Roy Schestowitz" <newsgro…@schestowitz.com> wrote in message

news:d3qsuq$1i7k$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was about 16 when I initially found out that I was able to wake up while > my body remained, in some sense, asleep. The experience was scary at the > time, though ever since it has been somewhat humorous. > Voluntary ‘reproduction’ of this situation is hard and this recurs maybe > once a year or less. I presume it is possible owing to the fact that I feel > rather Conscious while asleep. > Allow me to explain this is more detail. I never found an explanation and > nothing relevant comes up in search engines. > I sometimes decide that I want to wake up, knowing that I am asleep. It > might take a few seconds for my body to obey my brain. However, I was > sometimes able to open up my eyes, fully aware of my environment, and yet, > I was not able to talk or move. A really great effort could ’snap’ me out > of this state, but going back to sleep was the easier solution. > Can somebody please explain? Should I provide more information? I do not > consider this a problem, but I long for an explanation as I am very > curious. > Roy > — > Roy S. Schestowitz > http://Schestowitz.com

Could it be sleep paralysis ? There are many sites describing this phenomenon. Here is one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis Only a professional would know for  sure.

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What you’re describing sounds like sleep paralaysis……which is a normal part of REM sleep, but usually ends when you come out of REM – in some people however, it can happen while they’re awake.  Sleep Paralysis can sometimes be associated with a sleep disorder called Narcolepsy. Some people say they can snap themselves out of this state by rapidly moving their eyes back and forth — Beth in Australia ————————– Unless stated otherwise, anything I say here is my opinion only – I am not a medically trained professional FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I was about 16 when I initially found out that I was able to wake up while > my body remained, in some sense, asleep. The experience was scary at the > time, though ever since it has been somewhat humorous. > Voluntary ‘reproduction’ of this situation is hard and this recurs maybe > once a year or less. I presume it is possible owing to the fact that I > feel > rather Conscious while asleep. > Allow me to explain this is more detail. I never found an explanation and > nothing relevant comes up in search engines. > I sometimes decide that I want to wake up, knowing that I am asleep. It > might take a few seconds for my body to obey my brain. However, I was > sometimes able to open up my eyes, fully aware of my environment, and yet, > I was not able to talk or move. A really great effort could ’snap’ me out > of this state, but going back to sleep was the easier solution. > Can somebody please explain? Should I provide more information? I do not > consider this a problem, but I long for an explanation as I am very > curious. > Roy > — > Roy S. Schestowitz > http://Schestowitz.com

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I was about 16 when I initially found out that I was able to wake up while my body remained, in some sense, asleep. The experience was scary at the time, though ever since it has been somewhat humorous. Voluntary ‘reproduction’ of this situation is hard and this recurs maybe once a year or less. I presume it is possible owing to the fact that I feel rather Conscious while asleep. Allow me to explain this is more detail. I never found an explanation and nothing relevant comes up in search engines. I sometimes decide that I want to wake up, knowing that I am asleep. It might take a few seconds for my body to obey my brain. However, I was sometimes able to open up my eyes, fully aware of my environment, and yet, I was not able to talk or move. A really great effort could ’snap’ me out of this state, but going back to sleep was the easier solution. Can somebody please explain? Should I provide more information? I do not consider this a problem, but I long for an explanation as I am very curious. Roy — Roy S. Schestowitz http://Schestowitz.com

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weird dream

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Today I dreamed I recieved the death penalty. I was in the room where they were going to kill me and right before they were gonna strap me down I told the two nurse ladies I had to use the bathroom. So I went to the bathroom and came back and one of the ladies told me that their fee was 27 dollars. So I gave them the money and had some left over so I was dividing it between the two of them then I started finding monopoly money in  my wallet so I was counting it all out to split it evenly and they told me to quit foolng around, it was time. Then I woke up. -phy

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phy wrote: > Today I dreamed I recieved the death penalty. I was in the room where they > were going to kill me and right before they were gonna strap me down I told > the two nurse ladies I had to use the bathroom. So I went to the bathroom > and came back and one of the ladies told me that their fee was 27 dollars. > So I gave them the money and had some left over so I was dividing it > between the two of them then I started finding monopoly money in  my wallet > so I was counting it all out to split it evenly and they told me to quit > foolng around, it was time. Then I woke up. > -phy

I had a dream last nite that ended in the death penalty. Death by giant yellow anthropomorphic canaries. Also I watched that old ‘Birdman of Alcatraz’ movie on PBS before I went to sleep. It didnt seem this silly at the time, when I woke up after falling out of bed. Strangely I often have large anthropomorphic animals in my dreams. — halfblotto@sof,tho,me.pet – i am the cuttlefish. thrice shafted. jennifer granholm is a dirty, dirty whore.

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phy wrote: > Today I dreamed I recieved the death penalty. I was in the room where they > were going to kill me and

Hm, I think you are preparing yourself to die IRL. > right before they were gonna strap me down I told > the two nurse ladies I had to use the bathroom. So I went to the bathroom > and came back and one of the ladies told me that their fee was 27 dollars. > So I gave them the money and had some left over so I was dividing it > between the two of them then I started finding monopoly money in  my wallet > so I was counting it all out to split it evenly and they told me to quit > foolng around, it was time. Then I woke up. > -phy

You are also fantasizing about being tied down and buggered by two women. In nurses uniforms. You kinky stud! — The limerick’s an art form complex Whose contents run chiefly to sex; It’s famous for virgins And masculine urgins And vulgar erotic effects — Unknown Meet other Shybies in person-  http://shyness.meetup.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -michaela wrote: > blotto wrote: >>phy wrote: >>>Today I dreamed I recieved the death penalty. I was in the room >>>where they were going to kill me and right before they were gonna >>>strap me down I told the two nurse ladies I had to use the bathroom. >>>So I went to the bathroom and came back and one of the ladies told >>>me that their fee was 27 dollars. So I gave them the money and had >>>some left over so I was dividing it between the two of them then I >>>started finding monopoly money in  my wallet so I was counting it >>>all out to split it evenly and they told me to quit foolng around, >>>it was time. Then I woke up. >>>-phy >>I had a dream last nite that ended in the death penalty. Death by >>giant yellow anthropomorphic canaries. Also I watched that old >>’Birdman of Alcatraz’ movie on PBS before I went to sleep. It didnt >>seem this silly at the time, when I woke up after falling out of bed. >>Strangely I often have large anthropomorphic animals in my dreams. > Great thread. Hope other dreams come up. You two are > lucky dreamers or good storytellers. The dreams I remember > seem just too muddled to relate to others. > – Michaela

I tend to have problems with sleep paralysis which often leads to lucid dreaming, so my dreams are usually really vivid & strange, often by my own design. Though the whole anthropomorphic creature thing isnt something I purposely aimed for, I think it has something to do with my old childhood fear of being attacked while sleeping. — halfblotto@sof,tho,me.pet – i am the cuttlefish. thrice shafted. jennifer granholm is a dirty, dirty whore.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -blotto wrote: > phy wrote: >> Today I dreamed I recieved the death penalty. I was in the room >> where they were going to kill me and right before they were gonna >> strap me down I told the two nurse ladies I had to use the bathroom. >> So I went to the bathroom and came back and one of the ladies told >> me that their fee was 27 dollars. So I gave them the money and had >> some left over so I was dividing it between the two of them then I >> started finding monopoly money in  my wallet so I was counting it >> all out to split it evenly and they told me to quit foolng around, >> it was time. Then I woke up. >> -phy > I had a dream last nite that ended in the death penalty. Death by > giant yellow anthropomorphic canaries. Also I watched that old > ‘Birdman of Alcatraz’ movie on PBS before I went to sleep. It didnt > seem this silly at the time, when I woke up after falling out of bed. > Strangely I often have large anthropomorphic animals in my dreams.

Great thread. Hope other dreams come up. You two are lucky dreamers or good storytellers. The dreams I remember seem just too muddled to relate to others. – Michaela

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Macho Men are Pedophile ScumFuck

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mickey <mi…@hotmail.com> in news:cm8sr6$59g$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu: > Virism Pro_Virism wrote: >> Macho Men are Pedophiles. Kill them. > Why are you trying to sound macho? Is it a hidden suicide wish?

lets add to teh complexity… vpv could be a macho *child*…  :>

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Virism Pro_Virism wrote: > Macho Men are Pedophiles. Kill them.

Why are you trying to sound macho? Is it a hidden suicide wish? -M

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Macho Men are Pedophiles. Kill them. <news:mehouck-123A85.16345907042004@news.SF.sbcglobal.net> contained the following: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It’s been a long time since the studies that I’m familiar with were >done, but there HAVE been studies that show that people tend to handle >boy infants and girl infants differently.  They use softer voices and >are more gentle with girls, and are more likely to do physical, fast >games with boys.  Even in infancy, boy babies were more likely to have >people hold them up in the air, or do other physical things, while girl >babies were more likely to be held very softly, and closer to the body. >Even the tone of voice was different:  softer and higher  pitched with >girls, louder and lower pitched with boys. >It was NOT physical cues the babies were giving indicating a preference >for one over the other;  they did some studies with babies dressed in >yellow or green, where they told some folks the baby was a boy, and some >the baby was a girl, and the difference was about the same, and pretty >marked. >When my oldest was about 2, she and I spent an afternoon at a park that >was nearly deserted.  She was in typical toddler-wear:  overalls and a >long  sleeved shirt.  She had very little hair.  A teenage boy started >to play with her in a sterotypical teen-boy fashion:  nothing >inappropriate, but very phisical.  She was having a GREAT time with him. >When he found out she was a girl, he appologized for being so rough with >her; no amount of verbage on my part seemed to make any difference — >he said he only behaved the way he did because he thought she was a >little boy.  He even told me I needed to dress her differently so others >wouldn’t make the same mistake and treat her like a boy.  My daughter is >only 21 now, and I doubt seriously if things have changed all that much, >though I think there’s been some improvement.

This is what I mean by "sexism against males". I fucking hate machismo. That teenage bastard was rough with the baby because he thought it was a boy. When he found out it was a girl, he apologized for the roughness. He did this despite the scientificially-proven fact that little girls are stronger than little boys. Fuck him. Chivalrous, misandrist, pedo-bastard, feminazi. He is one of my hated characters. Nothing puts me through more fear, disgust, shock, anger, annoyance, indignation, helplessness, irritability, sadness, pain, grief, embarrasment, humiliation, and depression than when men/boys treat little girls better* than little boys. *Better = more compassion, more sympathy, more respect, more gentleness, more easiness, more empathy, more cleanliness, more protection, more luxury, more personal space, more privacy, more security, more freedom, etc. Science has already proven that average girl under 14 is: 1. Stronger 2. Bigger 3. Heavier 4. Taller 5. Harder-bodied 6. Tougher 7. Higher-IQed 8. Faster 9. More energetic 10. More aggresive 11. More violent 12. More cold-hearted [but less hot-hearted] 13. More openly abusive [sexually and otherwise] to members of the opposite gender 14. More openly sexist against members of the opposite gender 15. Better coordinated 16. More alert 17. Less tense 18. Less emotional 19. More emotionally-stable 20. Less compassionate 21. Less mature in personality 22. More sexually-violent 23. Less likely to suffer from diseases 24. Less likely to die from the ailments that affect her 25. Can speak in a lower-pitched voice 26. Greater in ability to control her voice and voluntary movement than the average boy under 14 of the same age. For the average girl under 14, the younger she is, the more different [in terms of the above 26 facts] she is from the average boy under 14 of the same age. Yet the fucked-up society of humans continues to treat little girls better* than little boys. No non-human living organism has ever formed such a cold-hearted society. Show how illogical, immoral, un-scientific, un-natural, and irrational the society of humans is. Machismo, chivalry, feminism, misandry, and lesbianism are all forms of sexism against males. Machismo is the most cold-hearted form of sexism against men/boys and ageism against little boys. Machismo is often perpetrated by ^other^ males but also [though to a less extent] by females. I want to kill machismo. Kill all those macho bastard pedophile men/boys who bully helpless little boys. I hate machismo and I want it to die. Machismo is the ultimate, most ancient, and most cold-hearted form of sexism against males that is often perpetrated by other males. Machismo is male-against-male sexism. I hate machismo. Machismo is also ageist against little boys [treats bigger boys better than smaller boys]. Machismo is also extremely bias against effeminate males, male-to-female transgendered, m-to-f transexuals, m-to-f crossdressers, m-to-f transvestites [all groups I and Moms support]. Machismo is also against ‘momma’s boys". I support momma’s boys and want the best for them. I hate machismo and want to kill it. I want to cut-off [with a laser] the arms, legs, teeth, tongues, genitals, breasts, jaws, crotches, buttocks, prostates, lips, gums, ears, eyelids, and sexual organs of macho men. I want to permanently remove their masculine hairs [beards, mustaches, side-burns, chest hairs, etc.] using a laser. I then want to torture them, make them grow their hairs long and girly, permenantly color their skins and hairs purple, gay-green, violet, lavender, baby-blue and pink, and imprint design of ‘feminine’ objects [purses, bunnies, flowers, dolls, kitties, puppies, barbies, ribbons, etc.] on their skins and hairs in those colors. I then want to dress them in girly skirts and blouses with the socially unacceptable colors of pink, gay-green, purple, violet, baby-blue and lavender with similar-colored ‘feminine’ objects described above. I want to permanently stain their skins, hairs, skirts, blouses and breaths with scents of feminine perfumes. I want to make their skins, hairs, and clothes unusually soft, smooth, silky, creamy, elastic, non-shiny, cold, clean and dry. I want to breakdown their muscles and replace them with adipose fat tissue. I want to soften their skeletons much softer than that of infants. I want to use them as substitutes for girls [i.e. for sex]. I want to hold mirrors in front of their faces so that they can see the girlish faces and attempt — but fail miserably to — roar in a masculine manner. I want to make them listen to Backstreet Boys, Nsync, Ricky Martin, 98 Degrees and other boy bands that disobey the macho code. I want to make them feminine foods [salads, fruits, vanilla, etc.] and not let them go near masculine foods [meat, BBQs, chocolate, etc.]. I want to laugh at them while they are in a state of extreme anger and helplessness. I want to put them in a state of sleep paralysis [sleep paralysis is often accompanied by vivid hallucinations] and make them hallucinate effeminate little boys fighting — and winning — against little girls [this will further outrage their machismo]. The more they try to resist the paralysis the stronger the paralysis should hold them down. Its only fair. This is how I plan to get rid of machismo. By weakening and infuriating macho men/boys as described above. Machismo must die. Machismo is the ultimate form of sexism against men/boys and ageism against boy children. Kill machismo and the problem will be solved. Macho men suck. Boy should be allowed to be with females, to express his feelings, to cry, to love mommy, and not be macho. I hate machismo. I hate macho men. They are bullies. I want to infect these bullies with a gene-modified microbes that will: 1. Reverse the effects of androgens on their skin, muscles, bones, genitals and speech organs 2. Make their skin, muscles, bones, genitals, and speech organs resistant to androgens 3. Make their skin, muscles, bones, genitals, and speech organs more sensitive to "gynogens". 4. Make androgens have the reverse effects on muscle strength for the next generation 5. Change things so that: 5a. Boys are physically stronger than men 5b. Smaller/younger boys are physically stronger than bigger/older boys 5c. Smaller men are physically stronger than bigger men 5d. Less masculine males are physically stronger than more masculine males 5e. More effeminate males are physically stronger than less effeminate males 5f. The more the extent of 2ndary male sex characteristics in a male, the more physically-weak he will be 5g. The more the extent of 2ndary female sex characteristics in a male, the more physically strong he will be 5h. The higher-pitched a male’s voice the more physically strong he will be I really do plan to do this using gene-modified viruses. I want to terrorize the macho man lynch-mobs to unspeakable lengths. I want to remove their un-natural stink from the universe. They are a danger to nature. I would gain extreme humor from observing macho man crowds being both angry and helpless at the same time. I warm-heartedely support: 1. Little boys 2. Male-to-female transgendered 3. Male-to-female crossdressers 4. Male-to-female transsexuals 5. Male-to-female transvestites 6. Effeminate men/boys I am hot-heartedely against all macho chivalrous bastards of pro-feminist men. Macho men are boy-abusing scum. Kill them.

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OT "Physical" dreams

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in news:2qiek9Fva6jlU1@uni-berlin.de: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Lash Rambo" <lra…@obmarl.com> wrote in message > news:Xns95621A43BCB1Blramboobmarlcom@68.12.19.6… >> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de: >>> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t >>> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >>> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >>> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I >>> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). >> I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so >> many CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in >> those dreams. Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure will >> get me hurt/killed, >> then "reload".  It’s like an experiment. > I’ve had several dreams where I die or something awful happens, and > then I decide to just try again, just like a computer game. It makes > sense in the dream.

Yes it does!  If only we could do it in real life….

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"Michaela" <michaelashouse> wrote in news:4144a2b4.0@news1.mweb.co.za: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Darkfalz wrote: >> "Lash Rambo" wrote >>> "Darkfalz" wrote >>>> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t >>>> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >>>> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >>>> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I >>>> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). >>> I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so >>> many CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in >>> those dreams. Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure >>> will get me hurt/killed, >>> then "reload".  It’s like an experiment. >> I’ve had several dreams where I die or something awful happens, and >> then I decide to just try again, just like a computer game. It makes >> sense in the dream. > Sounds a bit like this life we have going. It seems to > make sense, but if you really look at it, you go "WTF???"

Have you ever stared at a common word, like "the" or "really" or even your own name for a couple of minutes, then all the sudden it makes NO sense to you?  The placement of the letters doesn’t make sense, and sometimes the letters themselves don’t make sense. What’s up with that? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> – Michaela

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news:4144a2b4.0@news1.mweb.co.za… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Darkfalz wrote: >> "Lash Rambo" wrote >>> "Darkfalz" wrote >>>> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t >>>> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >>>> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >>>> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I >>>> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). >>> I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so >>> many CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in >>> those dreams. Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure >>> will get me hurt/killed, >>> then "reload".  It’s like an experiment. >> I’ve had several dreams where I die or something awful happens, and >> then I decide to just try again, just like a computer game. It makes >> sense in the dream. > Sounds a bit like this life we have going. It seems to > make sense, but if you really look at it, you go "WTF???"

Fuck off you bitch.

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Ms Pnoopie Pnats <myblowupprejecte…@blowuppp.com> wrote in message <news:MPG.1bae21986f88ea6c989efa@news.alt.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <Xns9562A9E1D9838er8o3@localhost>, heartl…@pig.com says… > > "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in news:2qi3vlFuolgiU1@uni- > > berlin.de: > > > "Victor" <little_guybrushATyahoo.com.au> wrote in message > > > news:4143d30d$0$22805$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au… > > >> Darkfalz wrote: > > >>> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >>> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… > > >>> > Are dreams where you actually feel you are suffocating (can’t > > >>> > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > > >>> > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY > > >>> > unpleasant and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me > > >>> > something (I haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last > > >>> > few years). > > >>> Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that > > >>> during this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a > > >>> MAXIMUM effort I can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but > > >>> even once awake, I do actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from > > >>> the effort. So it can’t have just been "in my head"… this is the > > >>> scariest thing about it, because it makes the sensation of > > >>> paralysis/suffocationg extremely real. > > >> Could it be sleep apnea? > > >> http://www.newtechpub.com/phantom/faq/osa_faq.htm > > > I don’t think it is. > > Maybe you are just depressed. I read somewhere that such a thing happens > > when certain brain chemicals fall below a certain level. > i think you are right. seems i have those types of dreams when i am > depressed.

Hi Darkfalz, Try to check what your sleeping position is when you have these dreams. I think you will find that you will have bad dreams when you sleep on your back, especially with your hands on your chest. It is worse for people who are a bit over-weight. Try sleeping on your side. Cheers Jajofar

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:2qi1spF103l02U1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… > > Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t breathe), > > paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant and > > scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I haven’t been > > taking the best care of it in the last few years). > Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that during > this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a MAXIMUM effort I > can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but even once awake, I do > actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from the effort. So it can’t have > just been "in my head"… this is the scariest thing about it, because it > makes the sensation of paralysis/suffocationg extremely real.

I have had a similar experience several times over the past year, except with me, usually I am aware of being in my bed rather than in some dream setting.  Still, there is the paralysis, which includes my lungs, and the extreme anxiety.  IIRC, I am still able to blink, but I can’t do anything else.  And then there are hallucinations.  I hear vague sounds and feel like something on the other side of the room’s about to attack me.  My symptoms seem to match up pretty much exactly with the disorder known as ‘awareness during sleep paralysis’.  Perhaps this is what you are experiencing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis#Awareness_during_sleep_p….

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In article <2qiek9Fva6j…@uni-berlin.de>, darkfalz.use…@gmail.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Lash Rambo" <lra…@obmarl.com> wrote in message > news:Xns95621A43BCB1Blramboobmarlcom@68.12.19.6… > > "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in > > news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de: > >> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t > >> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > >> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant > >> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I > >> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). > > I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so many > > CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in those dreams. > > Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure will get me > > hurt/killed, > > then "reload".  It’s like an experiment. > I’ve had several dreams where I die or something awful happens, and then I > decide to just try again, just like a computer game. It makes sense in the > dream.

those types of dreams make great movie scripts. — I promise to spank the plank daily.

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"The Babaloughesian" <m…@privacy.net> wrote in message

news:2qjmpcF108il4U1@uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:2qi1spF103l02U1@uni-berlin.de… >> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… >> > Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t > breathe), >> > paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >> > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >> > and >> > scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I haven’t > been >> > taking the best care of it in the last few years). >> Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that during >> this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a MAXIMUM effort >> I >> can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but even once awake, I do >> actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from the effort. So it can’t > have >> just been "in my head"… this is the scariest thing about it, because it >> makes the sensation of paralysis/suffocationg extremely real. > I have had a similar experience several times over the past year, except > with me, usually I am aware of being in my bed rather than in some dream > setting.  Still, there is the paralysis, which includes my lungs, and the > extreme anxiety.  IIRC, I am still able to blink, but I can’t do anything > else.  And then there are hallucinations.  I hear vague sounds and feel > like > something on the other side of the room’s about to attack me.  My symptoms > seem to match up pretty much exactly with the disorder known as ‘awareness > during sleep paralysis’.  Perhaps this is what you are experiencing: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis#Awareness_during_sleep_p….

Yep, I found this yesterday on the Google. Certainly seems what I have. I don’t have any of the hallucinations or prescences though, but that’s probably because I don’t believe in spirits and so on. I do find myself thinking I’m dying and asking God not to let me die though.

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"Victor" <little_guybrushATyahoo.com.au> wrote in message

news:4143d30d$0$22805$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Darkfalz wrote: >> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… >> > Are dreams where you actually feel you are suffocating (can’t >> > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >> > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY >> > unpleasant and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me >> > something (I haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last >> > few years). >> Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that >> during this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a >> MAXIMUM effort I can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but >> even once awake, I do actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from >> the effort. So it can’t have just been "in my head"… this is the >> scariest thing about it, because it makes the sensation of >> paralysis/suffocationg extremely real. > Could it be sleep apnea? > http://www.newtechpub.com/phantom/faq/osa_faq.htm

I don’t think it is.

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SadSadSoul wrote: > When i start to suffocate in a dream I immediately wake up. If you’re > having dreams were your paralyzed that just means that your being > abducted by aliens, everyone knows that. They paralize you before > they take you aboard their ship. Nothing to worry about they usually > fix you up and return you with no harm done, that’s if you ever > return.

LOL – Michaela

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Darkfalz wrote: > "Lash Rambo" wrote >> "Darkfalz" wrote >>> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t >>> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >>> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >>> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I >>> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). >> I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so >> many CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in >> those dreams. Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure >> will get me hurt/killed, >> then "reload".  It’s like an experiment. > I’ve had several dreams where I die or something awful happens, and > then I decide to just try again, just like a computer game. It makes > sense in the dream.

Sounds a bit like this life we have going. It seems to make sense, but if you really look at it, you go "WTF???" – Michaela

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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:11:04 +1000, the world was enlightented by Darkfalz, unto whom the words are attributed: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Lash Rambo" <lra…@obmarl.com> wrote in message > news:Xns95621A43BCB1Blramboobmarlcom@68.12.19.6… >> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de: >>> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t >>> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >>> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >>> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I >>> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). >> I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so many >> CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in those dreams. >> Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure will get me >> hurt/killed, >> then "reload".  It’s like an experiment. > I’ve had several dreams where I die or something awful happens, and then I > decide to just try again, just like a computer game. It makes sense in the > dream.

I used to dream as though watching the dream on television – this would be around my child/teenage years I think.  Now I don’t watch TV, and I don’t dream like that. Had an interesting one the other night.  I was reading something – exactly like the pages were there in front of me and I was reading in the usual fashion, one word at a time.  Darned if I can remeber what it was about. Was a good read though! Monster — I am the sexiest man in the UuuuKaaaayy All the girls love me And I will never grow Ooollldd I am the sexiest man in the UuuKaaaay! http://www.the-monstruum.co.uk

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On 12 Sep 2004 04:31:15 GMT, SadSadSoul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Over…@taykeOffRediffmail.com> wrote: >"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in >news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de: >> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t >> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I >> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). >When i start to suffocate in a dream I immediately wake up. If you’re >having dreams were your paralyzed that just means that your being abducted >by aliens, everyone knows that. They paralize you before they take you >aboard their ship. Nothing to worry about they usually fix you up and >return you with no harm done, that’s if you ever return.

but they won’t do anything with me sexually either.  i think all the aliens are weomen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Darkfalz" (darkfalz.use…@gmail.com) writes: > "Lash Rambo" <lra…@obmarl.com> wrote in message > news:Xns95621A43BCB1Blramboobmarlcom@68.12.19.6… >> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de: >>> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t >>> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >>> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >>> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I >>> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). >> I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so many >> CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in those dreams. >> Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure will get me >> hurt/killed, >> then "reload".  It’s like an experiment. > I’ve had several dreams where I die or something awful happens, and then I > decide to just try again, just like a computer game. It makes sense in the > dream.

Woah:) This is just facsionating to me, if hilarious too:) I am wondering about the impact on the human psyche video games have for that part then….Perhaps that more than what parents complained about, the speedy smart a mouth reflex of the new generation, could explain the change…"No die" in dreams would maybe be like a "no risk" subconscious interpretation, where an entire youth would live with a flase instinct of total impunity in that sense: "Can’t die" not being thought but registered as if an instinct, like wet dreams and all that… I wonder if any serious study was ever done on the subject, i.e. save and reload when dyign in dreams and its impact on the psyche and its manifestations in the personality affects of the various generations (now up to maybe the third generation already). C —

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In article <Xns9562A9E1D9838er8o3@localhost>, heartl…@pig.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in news:2qi3vlFuolgiU1@uni- > berlin.de: > > "Victor" <little_guybrushATyahoo.com.au> wrote in message > > news:4143d30d$0$22805$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au… > >> Darkfalz wrote: > >>> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > >>> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… > >>> > Are dreams where you actually feel you are suffocating (can’t > >>> > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > >>> > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY > >>> > unpleasant and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me > >>> > something (I haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last > >>> > few years). > >>> Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that > >>> during this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a > >>> MAXIMUM effort I can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but > >>> even once awake, I do actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from > >>> the effort. So it can’t have just been "in my head"… this is the > >>> scariest thing about it, because it makes the sensation of > >>> paralysis/suffocationg extremely real. > >> Could it be sleep apnea? > >> http://www.newtechpub.com/phantom/faq/osa_faq.htm > > I don’t think it is. > Maybe you are just depressed. I read somewhere that such a thing happens > when certain brain chemicals fall below a certain level.

i think you are right. seems i have those types of dreams when i am depressed. — I promise to spank the plank daily.

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message <news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de>… > Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t breathe), > paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant and > scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I haven’t been > taking the best care of it in the last few years).

Are you sure you haven’t got sleep apnea or something?  Your airway becomes obstructed by your tongue or you get spasms in your throat. There’s lots of websites about it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Darkfalz wrote: > "Victor" <little_guybrushATyahoo.com.au> wrote in message > news:4143d30d$0$22805$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au… > > Darkfalz wrote: > >> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… > >> > Are dreams where you actually feel you are suffocating (can’t > >> > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > >> > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY > >> > unpleasant and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me > >> > something (I haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last > >> > few years). > >> Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that > >> during this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a > >> MAXIMUM effort I can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but > >> even once awake, I do actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath > from >> the effort. So it can’t have just been "in my head"… this > is the >> scariest thing about it, because it makes the sensation of > >> paralysis/suffocationg extremely real. > > Could it be sleep apnea? > > http://www.newtechpub.com/phantom/faq/osa_faq.htm > I don’t think it is.

All I can tell you is the obvious, if you’re worried see a doctor. Sorry I can’t be more help. Good luck to you.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Darkfalz" (darkfalz.use…@gmail.com) writes: > "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… >> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t breathe), >> paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant and >> scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I haven’t been >> taking the best care of it in the last few years). > Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that during > this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a MAXIMUM effort I > can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but even once awake, I do > actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from the effort. So it can’t have > just been "in my head"… this is the scariest thing about it, because it > makes the sensation of paralysis/suffocationg extremely real.

Have your blood sugar tested, and your thyroid. And *get checked for apnea*. Happens way more often than we think, that, and can create such symptoms…. C —

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de: > Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant > and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I > haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years).

I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so many CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in those dreams.   Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure will get me hurt/killed, then "reload".  It’s like an experiment.

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"Lash Rambo" <lra…@obmarl.com> wrote in message

news:Xns95621A43BCB1Blramboobmarlcom@68.12.19.6… > "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in > news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de: >> Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t >> breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >> Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant >> and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I >> haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years). > I occasionally dream I die, but the funny thing is, I’ve played so many > CRPGs throughout my life that I actually save and reload in those dreams. > Usually, I "save game," then do something I figure will get me > hurt/killed, > then "reload".  It’s like an experiment.

I’ve had several dreams where I die or something awful happens, and then I decide to just try again, just like a computer game. It makes sense in the dream.

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Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years).

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de: > Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant > and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I > haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years).

When i start to suffocate in a dream I immediately wake up. If you’re having dreams were your paralyzed that just means that your being abducted by aliens, everyone knows that. They paralize you before they take you aboard their ship. Nothing to worry about they usually fix you up and return you with no harm done, that’s if you ever return.

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"Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… > Are dreams where you actually *feel* you are suffocating (can’t breathe), > paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant and > scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I haven’t been > taking the best care of it in the last few years).

Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that during this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a MAXIMUM effort I can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but even once awake, I do actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from the effort. So it can’t have just been "in my head"… this is the scariest thing about it, because it makes the sensation of paralysis/suffocationg extremely real.

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Darkfalz wrote: > Are dreams where you actually feel you are suffocating (can’t > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY unpleasant > and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me something (I > haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last few years).

I used to have them when I was younger along with dreams of falling. A couple of weeks ago I woke up to find myself holding my sheets to my mouth and I was in the middle of a spit as I woke. I don’t remember dreaming anything tho so that was kinda odd.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Darkfalz wrote: > "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… > > Are dreams where you actually feel you are suffocating (can’t > > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? > > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY > > unpleasant and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me > > something (I haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last > > few years). > Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that > during this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a > MAXIMUM effort I can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but > even once awake, I do actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from > the effort. So it can’t have just been "in my head"… this is the > scariest thing about it, because it makes the sensation of > paralysis/suffocationg extremely real.

Could it be sleep apnea? http://www.newtechpub.com/phantom/faq/osa_faq.htm

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"Victor" <little_guybrushATyahoo.com.au> wrote in news:4143d30d$0$22805$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Darkfalz wrote: >> "Darkfalz" <darkfalz.use…@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:2qhuu2Fvm33oU1@uni-berlin.de… >> > Are dreams where you actually feel you are suffocating (can’t >> > breathe), paralysed (can’t move) and even DYING common? >> > Because I have them once in a while… and they’re REALLY >> > unpleasant and scary. I get the feeling it’s my body telling me >> > something (I haven’t been taking the best care of it in the last >> > few years). >> Crossposting this to more relevant groups. I should also add that >> during this time I am STRUGGLING to breathe and move, and with a >> MAXIMUM effort I can usually wake up and get myself to breathe, but >> even once awake, I do actually FEEL exhausted and out of breath from >> the effort. So it can’t have just been "in my head"… this is the >> scariest thing about it, because it makes the sensation of >> paralysis/suffocationg extremely real. > Could it be sleep apnea? > http://www.newtechpub.com/phantom/faq/osa_faq.htm

        what I was gonna say.

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Paralysis – breaking sleep habits?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -silverfin wrote: > I’d really welcome some thoughts on this… > I’ve just been reading lots of posts from the archive on sleep > paralysis, which I suffer from often enough to be problematic for me > but not often enough to get used to. It definitely happens when I’m > falling asleep or waking up on my back – I only found out just now > that this is the same for many other people! > The thing is, I’m also a bit of an insomniac and can usually only get > to sleep on my front. However, I then get a stiff neck or shoulder. > Same on my side. So I’ve been trying to train myself to fall asleep on > my back to help my spine/posture, etc. but then I get horrible sleep > paralysis more often. > Is it possible to train myself to fall asleep on my back rather than > front? > Is it possible to ‘learn’ to fall asleep on my back without getting > SP? > Does it really ever become less scary? (Because although I’ve been > having regular SP for about 10 years, every time I’m still convinced > that _this_ time I’m going to suffocate and die.) > Silverfin

Understanding may be helpful. http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html Is a very good place to read about sleep paralysis; best I’ve found. — michael No matter how cynical I get, I’m unable to keep up.  :^>

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I’d really welcome some thoughts on this… I’ve just been reading lots of posts from the archive on sleep paralysis, which I suffer from often enough to be problematic for me but not often enough to get used to. It definitely happens when I’m falling asleep or waking up on my back – I only found out just now that this is the same for many other people! The thing is, I’m also a bit of an insomniac and can usually only get to sleep on my front. However, I then get a stiff neck or shoulder. Same on my side. So I’ve been trying to train myself to fall asleep on my back to help my spine/posture, etc. but then I get horrible sleep paralysis more often. Is it possible to train myself to fall asleep on my back rather than front? Is it possible to ‘learn’ to fall asleep on my back without getting SP? Does it really ever become less scary? (Because although I’ve been having regular SP for about 10 years, every time I’m still convinced that _this_ time I’m going to suffocate and die.) Silverfin

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Having never had sleep paralysis in my life (I’m 28) I got it for about two weeks not knowing what it was, scared the sh*t out of me the first couple times, didn’t know what was going on, did a web search, found out about sleep paralysis. I believe it was stress that caused it for me as I was really stressed out for a couple weeks. In my reading I found that indeed laying in the supine position (back) was a major factor in sleep paralysis. I found that I was definitely on my back each time it happened, I am usually a side sleeper but roll onto my back sometimes. What worked, and was what the website I read suggested, was to break the paralysis by moving a pinky finger, or even my eyes or tongue. Give it a try. If I were you I would look into getting a mattress/pillow that allows you to fall asleep on your front or side. I have never slept on an expensive mattress, usually the no frills mattress store specials, but recently I bought a Tempurpedic (not the actual tempurpedic brand name, but another mfg. that is cheaper & compares better, http://www.memoryfoamsource.com). I honestly have never slept better, less tossing & turning, sleeping on my side is so much more comfortable, it’s awesome. My shoulders used to get sore, now they feel much better. This morning I think I woke up in the same exact position that I fell asleep in. Only bad thing is they don’t have a free trial period like Tempurpedic but I have slept on an ex-girlfriends tempurpedic and figured it would be similar. Also look into getting a big body pillow for side sleeping, might make it more comfortable, or even put the pillow behind you so you are only halfway on your back lying against the pillow & not the mattress. Here’s the site I read about sleep paralysis, there’s a section called Preventing & Coping with Sleep Paralysis. http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html Here’s the yahoo search I did. http://tinyurl.com/yshy5 Good luck -Tom "silverfin" <google…@finesilver.info> wrote in message

news:821f16e7.0402041416.6a750565@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d really welcome some thoughts on this… > I’ve just been reading lots of posts from the archive on sleep > paralysis, which I suffer from often enough to be problematic for me > but not often enough to get used to. It definitely happens when I’m > falling asleep or waking up on my back – I only found out just now > that this is the same for many other people! > The thing is, I’m also a bit of an insomniac and can usually only get > to sleep on my front. However, I then get a stiff neck or shoulder. > Same on my side. So I’ve been trying to train myself to fall asleep on > my back to help my spine/posture, etc. but then I get horrible sleep > paralysis more often. > Is it possible to train myself to fall asleep on my back rather than > front? > Is it possible to ‘learn’ to fall asleep on my back without getting > SP? > Does it really ever become less scary? (Because although I’ve been > having regular SP for about 10 years, every time I’m still convinced > that _this_ time I’m going to suffocate and die.) > Silverfin

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Ever have a dream

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It’s not a dream, it’s called sleep paralysis.  It happens to some people. Not usualy a sign of anything serious. Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the (SPAM_BLOCKER) from my email address:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Twice in my life I’ve had this dream that scared the crap out of me.  I was sleeping, but very awake in my mind and unable to move or awaken my body. It was like my soul was split from my body and trying to peel away from it. I didn’t want to sleep afterwards. Which had a resonance, a power, which made you afraid to ever sleep again? I had one recently. The closest thing to it I can think of is the hallucination described by Manchester in "Goodbye Darkness" in the opening scenes regarding the corpse. But it was worse. It transforms the waking world and bleeds the very life out of it. One may say, we must embrace that aspect of reality. But it was inimical to all that we call alive, or sane, it cannot be embraced. Like many ex spouses. Just curious. Sid

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Which had a resonance, a power, which made you afraid to ever sleep again? I had one recently. The closest thing to it I can think of is the hallucination described by Manchester in "Goodbye Darkness" in the opening scenes regarding the corpse. But it was worse. It transforms the waking world and bleeds the very life out of it. One may say, we must embrace that aspect of reality. But it was inimical to all that we call alive, or sane, it cannot be embraced. Like many ex spouses. Just curious. Sid

Yup, I had them like that as a kid constantly. Think I remember someone calling them night terrors, still have a really bad one on occasion.<shudder Lori Mc

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Which had a resonance, a power, which made you afraid to ever sleep again?

I have them quite often.   But usually i dream about sex or food. Guess that’s what happens when don’t eat enuff.

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Which had a resonance, a power, which made you afraid to ever sleep again? I had one recently. The closest thing to it I can think of is the hallucination described by Manchester in "Goodbye Darkness" in the opening scenes regarding the corpse. But it was worse. It transforms the waking world and bleeds the very life out of it. One may say, we must embrace that aspect of reality. But it was inimical to all that we call alive, or sane, it cannot be embraced. Like many ex spouses. Just curious.

I thought I had a bad dream once…, after I fell asleep I realized it was actually just my life at the time! John

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Which had a resonance, a power, which made you afraid to ever sleep again? I have them quite often. But usually i dream about sex or food. Guess that’s what happens when don’t eat enuff.

That depends on what you ‘eat’

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Twice in my life I’ve had this dream that scared the crap out of me.  I was sleeping, but very awake in my mind and unable to move or awaken my body. It was like my soul was split from my body and trying to peel away from it. I didn’t want to sleep afterwards.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which had a resonance, a power, which made you afraid to ever sleep again? I had one recently. The closest thing to it I can think of is the hallucination described by Manchester in "Goodbye Darkness" in the opening scenes regarding the corpse. But it was worse. It transforms the waking world and bleeds the very life out of it. One may say, we must embrace that aspect of reality. But it was inimical to all that we call alive, or sane, it cannot be embraced. Like many ex spouses. Just curious. Sid

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Which had a resonance, a power, which made you afraid to ever sleep again? I had one recently. The closest thing to it I can think of is the hallucination described by Manchester in "Goodbye Darkness" in the opening scenes regarding the corpse. But it was worse. It transforms the waking world and bleeds the very life out of it. One may say, we must embrace that aspect of reality. But it was inimical to all that we call alive, or sane, it cannot be embraced. Like many ex spouses. Just curious. Sid

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Good one

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LOL I got really pissy the first time I was on a NG because NO ONE was bloody replying to me. Pack of snobs. Wankers. Then I found that magic little + and took it all back Blame brain fog for the first six months…after that you’re on your own Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, wanna hear a good one? I just figured out this morning what the little + boxes are for in front of a lot of the posts I’m getting in this newsgroup. I just happened to click one on and WA LA!! A bunch of replies to the initial post are there! Jeez….. I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing — I’m proud to say that I haven’t had a freakin’ sick stick in: One week, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds. 275 cigarettes not smoked, saving $61.98. Life saved: 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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Got a better one for ya. When I first got here, I didn’t know anything about the newsgroups, I was checking Goggle and you know they don’t refresh their messages but about twice a day. Thank God Jef told me how to do the newsgroup thing, it was driving me nuts!! Lisa Three months, one week, four days, 23 hours, 0 minutes and 23 seconds. 2079 cigarettes not smoked, saving $269.14. Life saved: 1 week, 5 hours, 15 minutes.

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Oh girl,  you mean to tell me that I spent all that time to answer your messages and didn’t tell you that you had to hit the plus well but than you never ask me. —– me crying I am glad you discovered the pluls and if you ever get an urge to smoke just get back to all the pots hit the plus to open and check out how many responses you have missed. LOL Ready for another day quit body….. time is flying and things seem to get better. take care your quit body Happy Polar Bear. —  In 11m 3w 1d 2:28 I will be joining the OF’s in the hot tubes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, wanna hear a good one? I just figured out this morning what the little + boxes are for in front of a lot of the posts I’m getting in this newsgroup. I just happened to click one on and WA LA!! A bunch of replies to the initial post are there! Jeez….. I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing — I’m proud to say that I haven’t had a freakin’ sick stick in: One week, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds. 275 cigarettes not smoked, saving $61.98. Life saved: 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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OMG Deeds, think of all the catchup reading you have to do?  Hope you’ve got a good coffee supply going there, LOL. Cheers Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing lol…you’re not the first….and you won’t be the last

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So, wanna hear a good one? I just figured out this morning what the little + boxes are for in front of a lot of the posts I’m getting in this newsgroup. I just happened to click one on and WA LA!! A bunch of replies to the initial post are there! Jeez….. I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing — I’m proud to say that I haven’t had a freakin’ sick stick in: One week, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds. 275 cigarettes not smoked, saving $61.98. Life saved: 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing

lol…you’re not the first….and you won’t be the last

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go ahead, blame zyban…im passing the blame of my sleep paralysis and visitations by entities onto the patches.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, wanna hear a good one? I just figured out this morning what the little + boxes are for in front of a lot of the posts I’m getting in this newsgroup. I just happened to click one on and WA LA!! A bunch of replies to the initial post are there! Jeez….. I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing — I’m proud to say that I haven’t had a freakin’ sick stick in: One week, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds. 275 cigarettes not smoked, saving $61.98. Life saved: 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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So, wanna hear a good one? I just figured out this morning what the little + boxes are for in front of a lot of the posts I’m getting in this newsgroup. I just happened to click one on and WA LA!! A bunch of replies to the initial post are there! Jeez….. I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing — I’m proud to say that I haven’t had a freakin’ sick stick in: One week, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds. 275 cigarettes not smoked, saving $61.98. Life saved: 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing

lol…you’re not the first….and you won’t be the last

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go ahead, blame zyban…im passing the blame of my sleep paralysis and visitations by entities onto the patches.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, wanna hear a good one? I just figured out this morning what the little + boxes are for in front of a lot of the posts I’m getting in this newsgroup. I just happened to click one on and WA LA!! A bunch of replies to the initial post are there! Jeez….. I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing — I’m proud to say that I haven’t had a freakin’ sick stick in: One week, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds. 275 cigarettes not smoked, saving $61.98. Life saved: 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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LOL I got really pissy the first time I was on a NG because NO ONE was bloody replying to me. Pack of snobs. Wankers. Then I found that magic little + and took it all back Blame brain fog for the first six months…after that you’re on your own Paula

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, wanna hear a good one? I just figured out this morning what the little + boxes are for in front of a lot of the posts I’m getting in this newsgroup. I just happened to click one on and WA LA!! A bunch of replies to the initial post are there! Jeez….. I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing — I’m proud to say that I haven’t had a freakin’ sick stick in: One week, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds. 275 cigarettes not smoked, saving $61.98. Life saved: 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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Got a better one for ya. When I first got here, I didn’t know anything about the newsgroups, I was checking Goggle and you know they don’t refresh their messages but about twice a day. Thank God Jef told me how to do the newsgroup thing, it was driving me nuts!! Lisa Three months, one week, four days, 23 hours, 0 minutes and 23 seconds. 2079 cigarettes not smoked, saving $269.14. Life saved: 1 week, 5 hours, 15 minutes.

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Oh girl,  you mean to tell me that I spent all that time to answer your messages and didn’t tell you that you had to hit the plus well but than you never ask me. —– me crying I am glad you discovered the pluls and if you ever get an urge to smoke just get back to all the pots hit the plus to open and check out how many responses you have missed. LOL Ready for another day quit body….. time is flying and things seem to get better. take care your quit body Happy Polar Bear. —  In 11m 3w 1d 2:28 I will be joining the OF’s in the hot tubes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, wanna hear a good one? I just figured out this morning what the little + boxes are for in front of a lot of the posts I’m getting in this newsgroup. I just happened to click one on and WA LA!! A bunch of replies to the initial post are there! Jeez….. I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing — I’m proud to say that I haven’t had a freakin’ sick stick in: One week, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds. 275 cigarettes not smoked, saving $61.98. Life saved: 22 hours, 55 minutes.

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OMG Deeds, think of all the catchup reading you have to do?  Hope you’ve got a good coffee supply going there, LOL. Cheers Sue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder how many posts I haven’t seen now? I thought I was missing lol…you’re not the first….and you won’t be the last

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Weird sleep paralisis…

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> I know i moved my arm because it was where it should of been when i > could move again. Thats what prompted me to post here, that and the > fact that the second expirence was actually really pleasant and > calming. > I’ll keep the eye thing in mind if it happens again, thanks.

……you didn’t mention whether or not you’re sleepy throughout the day……. — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

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"Tal" <sleepbethdisord…@anchorweb.com.au> wrote in message <news:bcif9r$iqjp4$1@ID-148111.news.dfncis.de>… > > I know i moved my arm because it was where it should of been when i > > could move again. Thats what prompted me to post here, that and the > > fact that the second expirence was actually really pleasant and > > calming. > > I’ll keep the eye thing in mind if it happens again, thanks. > ……you didn’t mention whether or not you’re sleepy throughout the > day…….

No, its not something that happens to me.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Tal" <sleepbethdisord…@anchorweb.com.au> wrote in message <news:bcfh3m$ijn3o$1@ID-148111.news.dfncis.de>… > > I occasionally get sleep paralysis (harsh buzzy electrical > > sound/feeling threw my body and I can’t move or talk), know what it is > > and that if I just relax it goes away after a bit. But in the last two > > days it’s been much stranger than usual. > > Yesterday I woke up early and almost immediately started to dip into > > it, but my eyes were open. As it kicked in I noticed a person stood at > > the end of my bed, but they looked strange, then I realised that it > > was [looked like] a 5ft-ish grey alien. I was scared (even though it > > didn’t feel threatening, just confused and interested) and managed to > > move after a bit (first my hand, then I turned over). It wasn’t there > > anymore when I turned back. The whole experience lasted a few seconds, > > and with hindsight I just thought I was dreaming/going mad/tripping. > > Same thing happened to me today, I felt sleep paralysis coming on so I > > moved around a bit to see if I could stop it. Didn’t work. So I just > > tried to ride it out again. Had my eyes closed this time and I > > couldn’t open them. This is for me where it gets weird, I felt someone > > stood above me reach out and touch me. It wasn’t at all scary, it was > > more like the way girlfriends have tried to wake me up in the past, I > > felt really calm and happy, but annoyed because I couldn’t respond. I > > tried calling out but couldn’t speak, and felt myself being pulled a > > few inch’s off the bed (like someone was pulling me up to try and wake > > me). Suddenly I could move my hand a little and grabbed the hand, > > which just gently squeezed mine. I felt the person was going to leave > > but I didn’t want them to for some reason. They pulled there hand > > gently from mine and were gone. And I could move again. > > So, what’s going on? Am I being plagued by demons or aliens, going mad > > or just having a weird day or two? Are there any tell tale signs here > > to explain what happened? Never seen or felt anything before during > > sleep paralysis, so this is new to me, the only thing that is scary > > about it is the unknown aspect. > This sounds like a reasonably typical sleep paralysis experience.  If you > also feel very sleepy throughout the day it could be an indication of a > sleep disorder called narcolepsy and you should see a sleep specialist. > I’ve heard that people can snap themselves out of sleep paralysis by rapidly > moving the eyes back and forth, perhaps you could try that approach next > time you experience something liek this. > What you experienced were hallucinations, and they often accompany sleep > paralysis.   Sleep paralysis is a normal part of sleep, usually occuring in > the REM (dream stage) of sleep,  and the hallucinations seem to be related > to this tho i’m not very sure on the details, one of those things i always > mean to research further.  I suspect that when you moved your arm, you > weren’t really moving it, but that it was part of the hallucination because > as far as i know, during sleep paralysis the only thing you can generally > move is your eyes. > Please let us know how things go for you……

I know i moved my arm because it was where it should of been when i could move again. Thats what prompted me to post here, that and the fact that the second expirence was actually really pleasant and calming. I’ll keep the eye thing in mind if it happens again, thanks. David

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I occasionally get sleep paralysis (harsh buzzy electrical > sound/feeling threw my body and I can’t move or talk), know what it is > and that if I just relax it goes away after a bit. But in the last two > days it’s been much stranger than usual. > Yesterday I woke up early and almost immediately started to dip into > it, but my eyes were open. As it kicked in I noticed a person stood at > the end of my bed, but they looked strange, then I realised that it > was [looked like] a 5ft-ish grey alien. I was scared (even though it > didn’t feel threatening, just confused and interested) and managed to > move after a bit (first my hand, then I turned over). It wasn’t there > anymore when I turned back. The whole experience lasted a few seconds, > and with hindsight I just thought I was dreaming/going mad/tripping. > Same thing happened to me today, I felt sleep paralysis coming on so I > moved around a bit to see if I could stop it. Didn’t work. So I just > tried to ride it out again. Had my eyes closed this time and I > couldn’t open them. This is for me where it gets weird, I felt someone > stood above me reach out and touch me. It wasn’t at all scary, it was > more like the way girlfriends have tried to wake me up in the past, I > felt really calm and happy, but annoyed because I couldn’t respond. I > tried calling out but couldn’t speak, and felt myself being pulled a > few inch’s off the bed (like someone was pulling me up to try and wake > me). Suddenly I could move my hand a little and grabbed the hand, > which just gently squeezed mine. I felt the person was going to leave > but I didn’t want them to for some reason. They pulled there hand > gently from mine and were gone. And I could move again. > So, what’s going on? Am I being plagued by demons or aliens, going mad > or just having a weird day or two? Are there any tell tale signs here > to explain what happened? Never seen or felt anything before during > sleep paralysis, so this is new to me, the only thing that is scary > about it is the unknown aspect.

This sounds like a reasonably typical sleep paralysis experience.  If you also feel very sleepy throughout the day it could be an indication of a sleep disorder called narcolepsy and you should see a sleep specialist. I’ve heard that people can snap themselves out of sleep paralysis by rapidly moving the eyes back and forth, perhaps you could try that approach next time you experience something liek this. What you experienced were hallucinations, and they often accompany sleep paralysis.   Sleep paralysis is a normal part of sleep, usually occuring in the REM (dream stage) of sleep,  and the hallucinations seem to be related to this tho i’m not very sure on the details, one of those things i always mean to research further.  I suspect that when you moved your arm, you weren’t really moving it, but that it was part of the hallucination because as far as i know, during sleep paralysis the only thing you can generally move is your eyes. Please let us know how things go for you…… — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

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I occasionally get sleep paralysis (harsh buzzy electrical sound/feeling threw my body and I can’t move or talk), know what it is and that if I just relax it goes away after a bit. But in the last two days it’s been much stranger than usual. Yesterday I woke up early and almost immediately started to dip into it, but my eyes were open. As it kicked in I noticed a person stood at the end of my bed, but they looked strange, then I realised that it was [looked like] a 5ft-ish grey alien. I was scared (even though it didn’t feel threatening, just confused and interested) and managed to move after a bit (first my hand, then I turned over). It wasn’t there anymore when I turned back. The whole experience lasted a few seconds, and with hindsight I just thought I was dreaming/going mad/tripping. Same thing happened to me today, I felt sleep paralysis coming on so I moved around a bit to see if I could stop it. Didn’t work. So I just tried to ride it out again. Had my eyes closed this time and I couldn’t open them. This is for me where it gets weird, I felt someone stood above me reach out and touch me. It wasn’t at all scary, it was more like the way girlfriends have tried to wake me up in the past, I felt really calm and happy, but annoyed because I couldn’t respond. I tried calling out but couldn’t speak, and felt myself being pulled a few inch’s off the bed (like someone was pulling me up to try and wake me). Suddenly I could move my hand a little and grabbed the hand, which just gently squeezed mine. I felt the person was going to leave but I didn’t want them to for some reason. They pulled there hand gently from mine and were gone. And I could move again. So, what’s going on? Am I being plagued by demons or aliens, going mad or just having a weird day or two? Are there any tell tale signs here to explain what happened? Never seen or felt anything before during sleep paralysis, so this is new to me, the only thing that is scary about it is the unknown aspect. David

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Zoloft Withdrawal Progess

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Hi all! PW, here posting my progress.  I have had some vivid dreams at night since I started downgrading my dosage.  They haven’t been unpleasant until last night.  Last night was the most vivd yet.  The details of the dream are irrelevant.  The emotional sense was of needing my mother and her neglecting me.  Please don’t psychoanalyze it.  I know what it means.  I felt as if I were in danger and tried desperately to scream out for help.  Of course, sleep paralysis prevented this.  In my dream state I knew this.  I struggled for some time.  Finally I was able to scream out.  My bf came in to check on me.  I could barely move.  I could barely cry.  Still in sleep paralysis. That hasn’t happened in a long time.  I used to have very vivd dreams of spiders and spider webs all over me.  Sometimes it was so convincing I would actually jump out of bed in a fit of adrenaline and turn on the lights to make sure they weren’t there. That was the end of my day.  Yesterday was day 2 since my last dosage downgrade to 25% of my regular dose.  I was energetic.  I felt good.  I cleaned my house for 6 hours.  I am coming up on PMS – so my appetite is on the rise.  I woke up a few times last night.  The first time I ate some pretzels – just a few.  The second time I had a little chocolate ice cream. I woke up this morning with a tummy-ache.  I don’t feel particularly well rested.  Perhaps the food and tummy ache manifested as bad dreams while I slept. I’m going to go about my day as usual – yoga, work for 4 hours, eat something, go for a 30 minute walk, watch some tv, do some more yoga and then go to bed and hope it’s better tonight than last. Be well! PW

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Hi all! PW, here posting my progress.  I

PW, I just got this (remarkably fast) reply from Gaia Herbs about their source kava.  I’m copying in the entire text: ‘ Hi, this is Mandy at Gaia Herbs.  We only use the main root and lateral underground roots of the Kava plant, no above ground parts or bark of the underground root stalk are used. Our chemist will be getting back to me re: the chem type of Kava and I will let you know. Thanks for your inquiry. Regards, Mandy at product info. ‘ So it looks like you’re in good shape as far as the potential liver toxicity issue is concerned. Figaro

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Thanks! PW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all! PW, here posting my progress.  I PW, I just got this (remarkably fast) reply from Gaia Herbs about their source kava.  I’m copying in the entire text: ‘ Hi, this is Mandy at Gaia Herbs.  We only use the main root and lateral underground roots of the Kava plant, no above ground parts or bark of the underground root stalk are used. Our chemist will be getting back to me re: the chem type of Kava and I will let you know. Thanks for your inquiry. Regards, Mandy at product info. ‘ So it looks like you’re in good shape as far as the potential liver toxicity issue is concerned. Figaro

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Nightmares

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Has he considered knocking off the speed?   Charlie Zammit <czam…@nsw.bigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:7uhoca$bfs$1@m2.c2.telstra-mm.net.au…   I have a friend of mine who I think needs some help. He is 26 years old,   does a little speed and has a semi stressful job. He frequently has these   dreams where he feels someone is touching him. He thinks he wakes up but the   sensation doesn’t stop, but when he looks around there is no one there. Then   the moment he looks away again it he starts to feel someone touching him   again. He says it feels so real that he doesn’t know whether he is dreaming   or not and it frightens the hell out of him. It has been going on for about   three months. Does anyone have any suggestions, or has anyone heard of this   type of thing happening before??

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In article <7uhoca$bf…@m2.c2.telstra-mm.net.au>, "Charlie Zammit" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<czam…@nsw.bigpond.net.au> wrote: > I have a friend of mine who I think needs some help. He is 26 > years old, > does a little speed and has a semi stressful job. He frequently > has these > dreams where he feels someone is touching him. He thinks he wakes > up but the > sensation doesn’t stop, but when he looks around there is no one > there. Then > the moment he looks away again it he starts to feel someone > touching him > again. He says it feels so real that he doesn’t know whether he is > dreaming > or not and it frightens the hell out of him. It has been going on > for about > three months. Does anyone have any suggestions, or has anyone > heard of this > type of thing happening before??

I have experienced something similar with sleep paralysis.  I would feel like someone was touching me, but couldn’t move, and no one was there.  I finally realized (through a lucid dreaming experience) that during these episodes I was actually asleep and dreaming.  I do think your friend should quit doing speed.  Drugs, OTC, prescription, or otherwise can cause some frightening sleep patterns. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I don’t have this but it is a textbook description of the kind of experiences people have who have episodes sleep paralysis. Some describe feeling the presence of (imaginary) people in the room with them, some describe the people as "malign" or "threatening," and some feel that a person is sitting on their chests. There are a number of sites on the web about sleep paralysis. Do a search for it. My brother and my nephew both have had sleep paralysis episodes. I have no idea if there is a connection, but in the distant past both were heavy abusers of methamphetimines. On Tue, 19 Oct 1999 21:30:05 +1000, "Charlie Zammit" <czam…@nsw.bigpond.net.au> wrote: > |  I have a friend of mine who I think needs some help. He is 26 years old, > |  does a little speed and has a semi stressful job. He frequently has these > |  dreams where he feels someone is touching him. He thinks he wakes up but the > |  sensation doesn’t stop, but when he looks around there is no one there. Then > |  the moment he looks away again it he starts to feel someone touching him > |  again. He says it feels so real that he doesn’t know whether he is dreaming > |  or not and it frightens the hell out of him. It has been going on for about > |  three months. Does anyone have any suggestions, or has anyone heard of this > |  type of thing happening before?? > |   > |   > |   > |  

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