treating night terrors with dietary supplements

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Patrick, you are right. I should definitely see a sleep doctor for my apnea. I’ve done some research on it and was suprised that it is so potentially dangerous. Thanks for the advice. However, I would like to steer this thread back in the direction of the original subject. I am interested in finding the good and/or bad effects of using herbal remedies or dietary supplements on the treatment of sleep problems, specifically, but not exclusively, to night terrors. Also, i’m interested to know what the general consensus is on these types of remedy. I’ve always thought of them as a glorified sugar pill with little or no "real" curative potential, until recently of course. What is everyone elses opinion? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Patrick Richards" <patrickricha…@nospamattbi.com> wrote in message <news:NpmV9.1074$kH3.362@sccrnsc03>… > You can do what you like, but your sister’s experience with a sleep lab > should have nothing to do with you. > Some of us have been at this awhile and understand some of the problems.  If > you have untreated sleep apnea that is not good. > I have a lab test Friday at supposedly one of the best labs in the country > but I do not like them but going anyway because I need to get some type of > treatment if there is any. > A sleep study does help them tell if anything is interfering with your > sleep.  The first time sucks usually as it is very difficult to sleep with > all the stuff you are hooked up to. > Regards, > "dMof" <denmof…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:fd638a62.0301142105.82e2bf@posting.google.com… > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message >  <news:v28trbbqgkut9d@corp.supernews.com>… > > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > > > news:v28rspkurot972@corp.supernews.com… > > > > "dMof" <denmof…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > > news:fd638a62.0301141134.7fadfa33@posting.google.com… > > > > > I’d like to discuss the effectiveness of dietary supplements for the > > > > > treatment of night terrors and other sleep disorders. Do they work? > > > > > Has anyone tried them? which ones have you tried? Are there > > > > > side-effects when taking them? > > > > > I’m a long time sufferer of night terrors and have been taking the > > > > > supplement jujube seed decoction for about two months now. All signs > > > > > of the night terrors have disappeared, along with night sweats and > > > > > sleep paralysis. I’m hopeful that this supplement is answer that >  i’ve > > > > > been looking for. > > > > > I’ve never really given much thought to this type of "medicine" in >  the > > > > > past. However, after research on the possible medications, i could > > > > > only find very powerful, prescription drugs like Klonopin, which is >  a > > > > > kind of anti-seizure medication. I don’t want to put any kind of >  drug > > > > > into my body. So i went to an herbalist in china town and asked him > > > > > what he’d recommend for my night terrors and suggested jujube. He > > > > > seemed pretty certain that it would work for me. So i tried it and >  it > > > > > has been working. Now i’m curious to know if anyone else has tried >  it. > > > > Well, I’m impressed! Usually it takes me about 2 minutes to find all >  types of >  side > > > > effect or drug interaction warnings on any drug (traditional, >  herbal,etc.) I > > > > couldn’t find anything but good reviews on jujube seed. Some studies >  show >  "modern" > > > > medicine is experimenting with jujube seed to offset drug side >  effects. I also > > > > checked the FDA site and > > > > didn’t find any bad news. > > The one thing i did notice when i took for the first week, was a > > strange feeling in my stomach. It wasn’t painful, it was just > > uncomfortable. I cut my doseage from 10 300mg pills 3 times/day to > > just 5 pills before i go to bed. It seems to be working well on the > > reduced doseage. I didn’t really question the herbalist about the > > doseage, he just read me the doseage on the box. > > > > Congrats! Maybe I’ll try some. If you ever think of it could you ask >  your > > > > herbalist if any over the counter brands of jujube seed are any good? > > I’ve found the brand on the internet, you can find it here: > > http://www.plazaq.com/nerjujseedde.html > > Its priced at $7 a bottle. I paid $3 at the store in china town. If i > > knew it would be as effective as it is for me, i would have paid > > anything he asked. > >  (noticed > > > > vitamin > > > > companies combine it with something else). Thanks and glad you found >  something > > > > that helps you. Mike > > > Wow, forgot the basics! Have you been to a sleep specialist and ruled >  out sleep > > > apnea? Night sweats could be apnea caused. Mike > > I’ve never seen a sleep specialist. My sister did though for her sleep > > problems, but she had a very disappointing experience with a sleep > > study. Its likely that i also have sleep apnea, but i really haven’t > > done anything about it. If something good had come of her sleep study, > > i might have gone to one myself. > > Thanks mike! and good luck in finding peaceful sleep.

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You are right Patrick. I definitely should see a doctor about apnea, I’ve been reading up on it and i didn’t realize how serious it can be. Thanks for the advice. However, I’d like to steer this thread back to original subject. I’m very interested in effects (good and/or bad) that herbal and dietary remedies have on sleep and the body. Since taking this jujube supplement, i have had an absence of these night terrors. Hopefully, this supplement is safe and my reprieve is not short lived. Also, i was just wondering what the general consensus is on the use of dietary supplements over pharmaceuticals. I always thought of them as a glorified sugar pill. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Patrick Richards" <patrickricha…@nospamattbi.com> wrote in message <news:NpmV9.1074$kH3.362@sccrnsc03>… > You can do what you like, but your sister’s experience with a sleep lab > should have nothing to do with you. > Some of us have been at this awhile and understand some of the problems.  If > you have untreated sleep apnea that is not good. > I have a lab test Friday at supposedly one of the best labs in the country > but I do not like them but going anyway because I need to get some type of > treatment if there is any. > A sleep study does help them tell if anything is interfering with your > sleep.  The first time sucks usually as it is very difficult to sleep with > all the stuff you are hooked up to. > Regards, > "dMof" <denmof…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:fd638a62.0301142105.82e2bf@posting.google.com… > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message >  <news:v28trbbqgkut9d@corp.supernews.com>… > > > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > > > news:v28rspkurot972@corp.supernews.com… > > > > "dMof" <denmof…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > > news:fd638a62.0301141134.7fadfa33@posting.google.com… > > > > > I’d like to discuss the effectiveness of dietary supplements for the > > > > > treatment of night terrors and other sleep disorders. Do they work? > > > > > Has anyone tried them? which ones have you tried? Are there > > > > > side-effects when taking them? > > > > > I’m a long time sufferer of night terrors and have been taking the > > > > > supplement jujube seed decoction for about two months now. All signs > > > > > of the night terrors have disappeared, along with night sweats and > > > > > sleep paralysis. I’m hopeful that this supplement is answer that >  i’ve > > > > > been looking for. > > > > > I’ve never really given much thought to this type of "medicine" in >  the > > > > > past. However, after research on the possible medications, i could > > > > > only find very powerful, prescription drugs like Klonopin, which is >  a > > > > > kind of anti-seizure medication. I don’t want to put any kind of >  drug > > > > > into my body. So i went to an herbalist in china town and asked him > > > > > what he’d recommend for my night terrors and suggested jujube. He > > > > > seemed pretty certain that it would work for me. So i tried it and >  it > > > > > has been working. Now i’m curious to know if anyone else has tried >  it. > > > > Well, I’m impressed! Usually it takes me about 2 minutes to find all >  types of >  side > > > > effect or drug interaction warnings on any drug (traditional, >  herbal,etc.) I > > > > couldn’t find anything but good reviews on jujube seed. Some studies >  show >  "modern" > > > > medicine is experimenting with jujube seed to offset drug side >  effects. I also > > > > checked the FDA site and > > > > didn’t find any bad news. > > The one thing i did notice when i took for the first week, was a > > strange feeling in my stomach. It wasn’t painful, it was just > > uncomfortable. I cut my doseage from 10 300mg pills 3 times/day to > > just 5 pills before i go to bed. It seems to be working well on the > > reduced doseage. I didn’t really question the herbalist about the > > doseage, he just read me the doseage on the box. > > > > Congrats! Maybe I’ll try some. If you ever think of it could you ask >  your > > > > herbalist if any over the counter brands of jujube seed are any good? > > I’ve found the brand on the internet, you can find it here: > > http://www.plazaq.com/nerjujseedde.html > > Its priced at $7 a bottle. I paid $3 at the store in china town. If i > > knew it would be as effective as it is for me, i would have paid > > anything he asked. > >  (noticed > > > > vitamin > > > > companies combine it with something else). Thanks and glad you found >  something > > > > that helps you. Mike > > > Wow, forgot the basics! Have you been to a sleep specialist and ruled >  out sleep > > > apnea? Night sweats could be apnea caused. Mike > > I’ve never seen a sleep specialist. My sister did though for her sleep > > problems, but she had a very disappointing experience with a sleep > > study. Its likely that i also have sleep apnea, but i really haven’t > > done anything about it. If something good had come of her sleep study, > > i might have gone to one myself. > > Thanks mike! and good luck in finding peaceful sleep.

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You can do what you like, but your sister’s experience with a sleep lab should have nothing to do with you. Some of us have been at this awhile and understand some of the problems.  If you have untreated sleep apnea that is not good. I have a lab test Friday at supposedly one of the best labs in the country but I do not like them but going anyway because I need to get some type of treatment if there is any. A sleep study does help them tell if anything is interfering with your sleep.  The first time sucks usually as it is very difficult to sleep with all the stuff you are hooked up to. Regards, "dMof" <denmof…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:fd638a62.0301142105.82e2bf@posting.google.com… > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message

<news:v28trbbqgkut9d@corp.supernews.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > > news:v28rspkurot972@corp.supernews.com… > > > "dMof" <denmof…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > news:fd638a62.0301141134.7fadfa33@posting.google.com… > > > > I’d like to discuss the effectiveness of dietary supplements for the > > > > treatment of night terrors and other sleep disorders. Do they work? > > > > Has anyone tried them? which ones have you tried? Are there > > > > side-effects when taking them? > > > > I’m a long time sufferer of night terrors and have been taking the > > > > supplement jujube seed decoction for about two months now. All signs > > > > of the night terrors have disappeared, along with night sweats and > > > > sleep paralysis. I’m hopeful that this supplement is answer that i’ve > > > > been looking for. > > > > I’ve never really given much thought to this type of "medicine" in the > > > > past. However, after research on the possible medications, i could > > > > only find very powerful, prescription drugs like Klonopin, which is a > > > > kind of anti-seizure medication. I don’t want to put any kind of drug > > > > into my body. So i went to an herbalist in china town and asked him > > > > what he’d recommend for my night terrors and suggested jujube. He > > > > seemed pretty certain that it would work for me. So i tried it and it > > > > has been working. Now i’m curious to know if anyone else has tried it. > > > Well, I’m impressed! Usually it takes me about 2 minutes to find all types of > >  side > > > effect or drug interaction warnings on any drug (traditional, herbal,etc.) I > > > couldn’t find anything but good reviews on jujube seed. Some studies show > >  "modern" > > > medicine is experimenting with jujube seed to offset drug side effects. I also > > > checked the FDA site and > > > didn’t find any bad news. > The one thing i did notice when i took for the first week, was a > strange feeling in my stomach. It wasn’t painful, it was just > uncomfortable. I cut my doseage from 10 300mg pills 3 times/day to > just 5 pills before i go to bed. It seems to be working well on the > reduced doseage. I didn’t really question the herbalist about the > doseage, he just read me the doseage on the box. > > > Congrats! Maybe I’ll try some. If you ever think of it could you ask your > > > herbalist if any over the counter brands of jujube seed are any good? > I’ve found the brand on the internet, you can find it here: > http://www.plazaq.com/nerjujseedde.html > Its priced at $7 a bottle. I paid $3 at the store in china town. If i > knew it would be as effective as it is for me, i would have paid > anything he asked. >  (noticed > > > vitamin > > > companies combine it with something else). Thanks and glad you found something > > > that helps you. Mike > > Wow, forgot the basics! Have you been to a sleep specialist and ruled out sleep > > apnea? Night sweats could be apnea caused. Mike > I’ve never seen a sleep specialist. My sister did though for her sleep > problems, but she had a very disappointing experience with a sleep > study. Its likely that i also have sleep apnea, but i really haven’t > done anything about it. If something good had come of her sleep study, > i might have gone to one myself. > Thanks mike! and good luck in finding peaceful sleep.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message <news:v28trbbqgkut9d@corp.supernews.com>… > "Lori&Mike" <mpow…@nospamthe-beach.net> wrote in message > news:v28rspkurot972@corp.supernews.com… > > "dMof" <denmof…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:fd638a62.0301141134.7fadfa33@posting.google.com… > > > I’d like to discuss the effectiveness of dietary supplements for the > > > treatment of night terrors and other sleep disorders. Do they work? > > > Has anyone tried them? which ones have you tried? Are there > > > side-effects when taking them? > > > I’m a long time sufferer of night terrors and have been taking the > > > supplement jujube seed decoction for about two months now. All signs > > > of the night terrors have disappeared, along with night sweats and > > > sleep paralysis. I’m hopeful that this supplement is answer that i’ve > > > been looking for. > > > I’ve never really given much thought to this type of "medicine" in the > > > past. However, after research on the possible medications, i could > > > only find very powerful, prescription drugs like Klonopin, which is a > > > kind of anti-seizure medication. I don’t want to put any kind of drug > > > into my body. So i went to an herbalist in china town and asked him > > > what he’d recommend for my night terrors and suggested jujube. He > > > seemed pretty certain that it would work for me. So i tried it and it > > > has been working. Now i’m curious to know if anyone else has tried it. > > Well, I’m impressed! Usually it takes me about 2 minutes to find all types of >  side > > effect or drug interaction warnings on any drug (traditional, herbal,etc.) I > > couldn’t find anything but good reviews on jujube seed. Some studies show >  "modern" > > medicine is experimenting with jujube seed to offset drug side effects. I also > > checked the FDA site and > > didn’t find any bad news.

The one thing i did notice when i took for the first week, was a strange feeling in my stomach. It wasn’t painful, it was just uncomfortable. I cut my doseage from 10 300mg pills 3 times/day to just 5 pills before i go to bed. It seems to be working well on the reduced doseage. I didn’t really question the herbalist about the doseage, he just read me the doseage on the box. > > Congrats! Maybe I’ll try some. If you ever think of it could you ask your > > herbalist if any over the counter brands of jujube seed are any good?

I’ve found the brand on the internet, you can find it here: http://www.plazaq.com/nerjujseedde.html Its priced at $7 a bottle. I paid $3 at the store in china town. If i knew it would be as effective as it is for me, i would have paid anything he asked.  (noticed > > vitamin > > companies combine it with something else). Thanks and glad you found something > > that helps you. Mike > Wow, forgot the basics! Have you been to a sleep specialist and ruled out sleep > apnea? Night sweats could be apnea caused. Mike

I’ve never seen a sleep specialist. My sister did though for her sleep problems, but she had a very disappointing experience with a sleep study. Its likely that i also have sleep apnea, but i really haven’t done anything about it. If something good had come of her sleep study, i might have gone to one myself. Thanks mike! and good luck in finding peaceful sleep.

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I’d like to discuss the effectiveness of dietary supplements for the treatment of night terrors and other sleep disorders. Do they work? Has anyone tried them? which ones have you tried? Are there side-effects when taking them? I’m a long time sufferer of night terrors and have been taking the supplement jujube seed decoction for about two months now. All signs of the night terrors have disappeared, along with night sweats and sleep paralysis. I’m hopeful that this supplement is answer that i’ve been looking for. I’ve never really given much thought to this type of "medicine" in the past. However, after research on the possible medications, i could only find very powerful, prescription drugs like Klonopin, which is a kind of anti-seizure medication. I don’t want to put any kind of drug into my body. So i went to an herbalist in china town and asked him what he’d recommend for my night terrors and suggested jujube. He seemed pretty certain that it would work for me. So i tried it and it has been working. Now i’m curious to know if anyone else has tried it.

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sleep paralysis

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i have recently experienced an episode of ’sleep paralysis’, being unable to move or speak upon waking up. i have read alot about this sleep disorder on the internet and was wondering if alot of people suffered from it, id like to hear others accounts of sleep paralysis. Look it up … almost everyone has one or more episodes during their lifetime.  Wierd isn’t it?   Unless it happens all the time, with prolonged paralysis,it’s not a "disorder", it’s just something that happens.  

Isn’t it supposed to be one of the explanations for so-called alien abduction stories?   — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net      These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct.        "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants                   were standing on my shoulders."

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i have recently experienced an episode of ’sleep paralysis’, being unable to move or speak upon waking up. i have read alot about this sleep disorder on the internet and was wondering if alot of people suffered from it, id like to hear others accounts of sleep paralysis. Look it up … almost everyone has one or more episodes during their lifetime.  Wierd isn’t it?  

Somehow, it would strike me as even weirder for the voluntary muscles to be fully responsive while the brain was undergoing a lot of more-or-less random activity.  Not to mention a bit dangerous.

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i have recently experienced an episode of ’sleep paralysis’, being unable to move or speak upon waking up. i have read alot about this sleep disorder on the internet and was wondering if alot of people suffered from it, id like to hear others accounts of sleep paralysis.

Very cool stuff.  Look up "Susan Blackmore".  She’s spent decades researching this stuff.  And she talks to strangers. erf

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Unless it happens all the time, with prolonged paralysis,it’s not a "disorder", it’s just something that happens.   Isn’t it supposed to be one of the explanations for so-called alien abduction stories?

The floating feeling, the helplessness, the paralysis, and the bizarre "visions" some people have … could be.   My episodes tend to be rather mundane, except for the one where I hallucinated that I had gone to work, and when they called to see what was going on, I was really confused for a bit.  I thought I was there.   Tsu — To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. – Jules Henri Poincar

Worried, Advice/Thoughts on my Headache

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At any rate, a visit to the doc’s sounds like a good thing… (By the way I’ve had nasty headaches lasting months from neck problems… hence my thoughts about neck issues.) Feel better soon! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you have put your neck funny from sleeping on the train? I know it might be completely off the track but it’s worth considering… It’s happened to me numerous times. I wish…that could explain weds, but not thurs, and friday. Thanks

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I just saw that on the news the other night…that there is a large population with sleep apnea…tends to affect men more than women. Sleep or the lack thereof can be a serious problem and relate the to the migraines.  My neurologist is also a sleep specialist…works well for me because I’m a die-hard insomniac. As you, I also awaken many times during the night…sometimes I even get up before I know what I’m doing.  It can really make me tired during the day. Michelle

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Ginnie, Thanks for the insightful post. I was reminded of my own unchecked sleep disorder thanks to your mentioning it a few weeks back and made an appointment in February to see the sleep disorder expert. I find that I routinely have headache upon wakening and awake two or three times during the night (when I am not having severe migraine and can fall asleep). Also, when awakening from a nap I frequently find I am migraining. Those times I awake I am acutely aware of the headache pain. This could be the result of the sleep disorder. Some other symptoms are ringing in my ears, muscular twitches, and sleep paralysis. Seems like a lot of people have undiagnosed sleep apnea and my ex-neurologist (who retired) says it might be a contributing factor in my migraine problem. Good luck to Paradox.

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: Could you have put your neck funny from sleeping on the train? I know it : might be completely off the track but it’s worth considering… It’s : happened to me numerous times.     I wish…that could explain weds, but not thurs, and friday. Thanks

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: Doxie always contact your doctor when the migraine pattern changes.  Mine : has done this over and over again through my 52 years of having them.  I : hope that by the time you read this you have made an appointment…    I am going to call on monday, but its not even that my migraine pattern has changed…I almost never get headaches, but now I had it 3 days in a row, I know for a fact I never had a headache for more than 1 day. Weird

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Could you have put your neck funny from sleeping on the train? I know it might be completely off the track but it’s worth considering… It’s happened to me numerous times. I hope you feel better soon! Jay

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Doxie always contact your doctor when the migraine pattern changes.  Mine has done this over and over again through my 52 years of having them.  I hope that by the time you read this you have made an appointment… Ronnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I hope someone can help me out here, Im pretty confused/worried. First some background…I am 27.  I RARELY have headaches, I mean I cant even remember the last few times. But when I did get headaches, it was usually when I am napping and I get woken up (I dont wake on my own) then I have a headache until I sleep again.  But again this does not happen often.   When I do get headaches, my head throbs, and my left eyeball throbs also.  Thats how it is everytime. Now on weds (Dec. 11) I was on my way home from work, so I was sleeping on the train, it wasnt a good sleep, I guess I kept waking up…anyway when I got up I had a headache (6pm).  No big deal, like I said I sometimes get it from sleeply weirdly.  When I went to sleep that night at 1am. (still had the headache) Got up on Thurs (Dec 12) felt fine, watched some tv (I watch from the floor) I got up to get some water, my head throbbed for 2 seconds, no problem, it was a headrush thing.  So I went to the gym around 2:30. Halfway through my workout, my head started hurting a lot, so I left the gym (3pm) the pain lessened, but I had a headache the rest of the night- until I went to sleep around 12. Friday I had to go to Jury Duty, but no headache…except when I woke up my head felt tight, like only half of the throbbing…but no pain.  Just a few times during the day when I got up from sitting, my head would hurt for 10 seconds or so. Now its Sat. my head feels ok…not back to normal yet, but I am going to try the gym later on. So whats wrong with me?  Like I said, I rarely get headaches, so 3 days in a row is VERY strange/concerning for me.  I did some research, and heres what I thought: 1. Low blood sugar – perhaps, but on Weds/Thurs, I did eat during that time and still had a headache. 2. Not breathing while working out – could be, I usually hold my breathe a bit, but that has NEVER affected me before. 3. Low blood pressure – I had my pressure checked at my annual checkup last year and it was fine, but would that cause a headache for 6 hours (weds) and 9 hours? (thurs) 4. Migrine – well supposedly migraines have pain in 1 eye (my left eyeball), but I did not feel nauseous, or have any flashes of light. 5. Tension headache – this week has been pretty stress free. 6. Getting sick – well its been 4 days now, no sneezing/coughing/sore throat.  I have no allergies that I know of. The ONLY two things I can think of…I have not listened to a walkman for years now, I just got one and listened to it on the way to and from work on Weds, and while working out on thurs.  But I dont know how that would be the cause, since I did not get a headache on the way to work. I last smoked a cigarette on Sunday (Dec 1) could it be withdrawal?  I dont usually suffer from withdrawal when I last quit, and would it really hit me almost 2 weeks after? Any thoughts?  Thanks -Tony

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Hi, Doxie! We have a pretty common answer that whenever your headache(s) change their pattern, it’s time for a doctor visit.  What you describe strongly suggests making an appt.  There are several things it could be, but you take on a ton of worry when you start to consider "could be’s" and that worrying does nothing productive. You stated that migraines are usually accompanied by auras/lights and nausea (or sound, btw.)  While this is true, there is a high percentage of migraineurs who don’t experience those symptoms. You sound like a wise individual and have probably already made a dr. appt. (like you needed us to suggest that, right?  I look forward to your future posts to our happy group and hope you decide to hang around. Deep peace, Lavon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : You’re worrying enough – and having enough symptoms – to truly : warrant a trip to your doctor. You might be having migraines, or     From reading up on the net, migraines usually are accompanied by auras/lights and nausea, and I dont have any of them. : mind is possible sleep apnea, if you wake up with headaches. Your     The thing is…I wake up from naps with headaches, like once every other month or so (if even that often).  Not often at all. Thats what has me confused, my symptoms dont seem to correspond to anything I know of. Im just hoping its not: tumor, anuerism about to happen Thanks

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Hey Ginnie, Thanks for the insightful post. I was reminded of my own unchecked sleep disorder thanks to your mentioning it a few weeks back and made an appointment in February to see the sleep disorder expert. I find that I routinely have headache upon wakening and awake two or three times during the night (when I am not having severe migraine and can fall asleep). Also, when awakening from a nap I frequently find I am migraining. Those times I awake I am acutely aware of the headache pain. This could be the result of the sleep disorder. Some other symptoms are ringing in my ears, muscular twitches, and sleep paralysis. Seems like a lot of people have undiagnosed sleep apnea and my ex-neurologist (who retired) says it might be a contributing factor in my migraine problem. Good luck to Paradox.

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: You’re worrying enough – and having enough symptoms – to truly : warrant a trip to your doctor. You might be having migraines, or     From reading up on the net, migraines usually are accompanied by auras/lights and nausea, and I dont have any of them. : mind is possible sleep apnea, if you wake up with headaches. Your     The thing is…I wake up from naps with headaches, like once every other month or so (if even that often).  Not often at all. Thats what has me confused, my symptoms dont seem to correspond to anything I know of. Im just hoping its not: tumor, anuerism about to happen Thanks

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You’re worrying enough – and having enough symptoms – to truly warrant a trip to your doctor. You might be having migraines, or there could be other causes of your problems. One that comes to mind is possible sleep apnea, if you wake up with headaches. Your doc can schedule you for a sleep test that will answer that. He can also do an MRI scan of your noggin that will rule out any brain abnormality (standard migraine test for something they RARELY find.) Please make an appointment, and let us know how it turns out, okay? Ginnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I hope someone can help me out here, Im pretty confused/worried. First some background…I am 27.  I RARELY have headaches, I mean I cant even remember the last few times. But when I did get headaches, it was usually when I am napping and I get woken up (I dont wake on my own) then I have a headache until I sleep again.  But again this does not happen often.   When I do get headaches, my head throbs, and my left eyeball throbs also.  Thats how it is everytime. Now on weds (Dec. 11) I was on my way home from work, so I was sleeping on the train, it wasnt a good sleep, I guess I kept waking up…anyway when I got up I had a headache (6pm).  No big deal, like I said I sometimes get it from sleeply weirdly.  When I went to sleep that night at 1am. (still had the headache) Got up on Thurs (Dec 12) felt fine, watched some tv (I watch from the floor) I got up to get some water, my head throbbed for 2 seconds, no problem, it was a headrush thing.  So I went to the gym around 2:30. Halfway through my workout, my head started hurting a lot, so I left the gym (3pm) the pain lessened, but I had a headache the rest of the night- until I went to sleep around 12. Friday I had to go to Jury Duty, but no headache…except when I woke up my head felt tight, like only half of the throbbing…but no pain.  Just a few times during the day when I got up from sitting, my head would hurt for 10 seconds or so. Now its Sat. my head feels ok…not back to normal yet, but I am going to try the gym later on. So whats wrong with me?  Like I said, I rarely get headaches, so 3 days in a row is VERY strange/concerning for me.  I did some research, and heres what I thought: 1. Low blood sugar – perhaps, but on Weds/Thurs, I did eat during that time and still had a headache. 2. Not breathing while working out – could be, I usually hold my breathe a bit, but that has NEVER affected me before. 3. Low blood pressure – I had my pressure checked at my annual checkup last year and it was fine, but would that cause a headache for 6 hours (weds) and 9 hours? (thurs) 4. Migrine – well supposedly migraines have pain in 1 eye (my left eyeball), but I did not feel nauseous, or have any flashes of light. 5. Tension headache – this week has been pretty stress free. 6. Getting sick – well its been 4 days now, no sneezing/coughing/sore throat.  I have no allergies that I know of. The ONLY two things I can think of…I have not listened to a walkman for years now, I just got one and listened to it on the way to and from work on Weds, and while working out on thurs.  But I dont know how that would be the cause, since I did not get a headache on the way to work. I last smoked a cigarette on Sunday (Dec 1) could it be withdrawal?  I dont usually suffer from withdrawal when I last quit, and would it really hit me almost 2 weeks after? Any thoughts?  Thanks -Tony

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Hi everyone, I hope someone can help me out here, Im pretty confused/worried. First some background…I am 27.  I RARELY have headaches, I mean I cant even remember the last few times.   But when I did get headaches, it was usually when I am napping and I get woken up (I dont wake on my own) then I have a headache until I sleep again.  But again this does not happen often.   When I do get headaches, my head throbs, and my left eyeball throbs also.  Thats how it is everytime. Now on weds (Dec. 11) I was on my way home from work, so I was sleeping on the train, it wasnt a good sleep, I guess I kept waking up…anyway when I got up I had a headache (6pm).  No big deal, like I said I sometimes get it from sleeply weirdly.  When I went to sleep that night at 1am. (still had the headache) Got up on Thurs (Dec 12) felt fine, watched some tv (I watch from the floor) I got up to get some water, my head throbbed for 2 seconds, no problem, it was a headrush thing.  So I went to the gym around 2:30.   Halfway through my workout, my head started hurting a lot, so I left the gym (3pm) the pain lessened, but I had a headache the rest of the night- until I went to sleep around 12. Friday I had to go to Jury Duty, but no headache…except when I woke up my head felt tight, like only half of the throbbing…but no pain.  Just a few times during the day when I got up from sitting, my head would hurt for 10 seconds or so. Now its Sat. my head feels ok…not back to normal yet, but I am going to try the gym later on. So whats wrong with me?  Like I said, I rarely get headaches, so 3 days in a row is VERY strange/concerning for me.  I did some research, and heres what I thought: 1. Low blood sugar – perhaps, but on Weds/Thurs, I did eat during that time and still had a headache. 2. Not breathing while working out – could be, I usually hold my breathe a bit, but that has NEVER affected me before. 3. Low blood pressure – I had my pressure checked at my annual checkup last year and it was fine, but would that cause a headache for 6 hours (weds) and 9 hours? (thurs) 4. Migrine – well supposedly migraines have pain in 1 eye (my left eyeball), but I did not feel nauseous, or have any flashes of light. 5. Tension headache – this week has been pretty stress free. 6. Getting sick – well its been 4 days now, no sneezing/coughing/sore throat.  I have no allergies that I know of. The ONLY two things I can think of…I have not listened to a walkman for years now, I just got one and listened to it on the way to and from work on Weds, and while working out on thurs.  But I dont know how that would be the cause, since I did not get a headache on the way to work. I last smoked a cigarette on Sunday (Dec 1) could it be withdrawal?  I dont usually suffer from withdrawal when I last quit, and would it really hit me almost 2 weeks after? Any thoughts?  Thanks -Tony

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I’m curious.  What brand/type do you use? Thanks, Jasmine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I’d say you were having a migraine. What you described was essentially how migraine disease came upon me. First, I only had a mild one for an hour after coming home from the movies. Then, I started getting one on the day of my menstrual period. In a few months, these started lasting two days. Then three days. Then five days. They pretty much stablized at a five day screaming migraine very month. I began to take treatment from diuretics and got better. 99%

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I hope someone can help me out here, Im pretty confused/worried. First some background…I am 27.  I RARELY have headaches, I mean I cant even remember the last few times. But when I did get headaches, it was usually when I am napping and I get woken up (I dont wake on my own) then I have a headache until I sleep again.  But again this does not happen often.   When I do get headaches, my head throbs, and my left eyeball throbs also.  Thats how it is everytime. Now on weds (Dec. 11) I was on my way home from work, so I was sleeping on the train, it wasnt a good sleep, I guess I kept waking up…anyway when I got up I had a headache (6pm).  No big deal, like I said I sometimes get it from sleeply weirdly.  When I went to sleep that night at 1am. (still had the headache) Got up on Thurs (Dec 12) felt fine, watched some tv (I watch from the floor) I got up to get some water, my head throbbed for 2 seconds, no problem, it was a headrush thing.  So I went to the gym around 2:30. Halfway through my workout, my head started hurting a lot, so I left the gym (3pm) the pain lessened, but I had a headache the rest of the night- until I went to sleep around 12. Friday I had to go to Jury Duty, but no headache…except when I woke up my head felt tight, like only half of the throbbing…but no pain.  Just a few times during the day when I got up from sitting, my head would hurt for 10 seconds or so. Now its Sat. my head feels ok…not back to normal yet, but I am going to try the gym later on. So whats wrong with me?  Like I said, I rarely get headaches, so 3 days in a row is VERY strange/concerning for me.  I did some research, and heres what I thought: 1. Low blood sugar – perhaps, but on Weds/Thurs, I did eat during that time and still had a headache. 2. Not breathing while working out – could be, I usually hold my breathe a bit, but that has NEVER affected me before. 3. Low blood pressure – I had my pressure checked at my annual checkup last year and it was fine, but would that cause a headache for 6 hours (weds) and 9 hours? (thurs) 4. Migrine – well supposedly migraines have pain in 1 eye (my left eyeball), but I did not feel nauseous, or have any flashes of light. 5. Tension headache – this week has been pretty stress free. 6. Getting sick – well its been 4 days now, no sneezing/coughing/sore throat.  I have no allergies that I know of. The ONLY two things I can think of…I have not listened to a walkman for years now, I just got one and listened to it on the way to and from work on Weds, and while working out on thurs.  But I dont know how that would be the cause, since I did not get a headache on the way to work. I last smoked a cigarette on Sunday (Dec 1) could it be withdrawal?  I dont usually suffer from withdrawal when I last quit, and would it really hit me almost 2 weeks after? Any thoughts?  Thanks -Tony

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Well, I’d say you were having a migraine. What you described was essentially how migraine disease came upon me. First, I only had a mild one for an hour after coming home from the movies. Then, I started getting one on the day of my menstrual period. In a few months, these started lasting two days. Then three days. Then five days. They pretty much stablized at a five day screaming migraine very month. I began to take treatment from diuretics and got better. 99% – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I hope someone can help me out here, Im pretty confused/worried. First some background…I am 27.  I RARELY have headaches, I mean I cant even remember the last few times.   But when I did get headaches, it was usually when I am napping and I get woken up (I dont wake on my own) then I have a headache until I sleep again.  But again this does not happen often.   When I do get headaches, my head throbs, and my left eyeball throbs also.  Thats how it is everytime. Now on weds (Dec. 11) I was on my way home from work, so I was sleeping on the train, it wasnt a good sleep, I guess I kept waking up…anyway when I got up I had a headache (6pm).  No big deal, like I said I sometimes get it from sleeply weirdly.  When I went to sleep that night at 1am. (still had the headache) Got up on Thurs (Dec 12) felt fine, watched some tv (I watch from the floor) I got up to get some water, my head throbbed for 2 seconds, no problem, it was a headrush thing.  So I went to the gym around 2:30.   Halfway through my workout, my head started hurting a lot, so I left the gym (3pm) the pain lessened, but I had a headache the rest of the night- until I went to sleep around 12. Friday I had to go to Jury Duty, but no headache…except when I woke up my head felt tight, like only half of the throbbing…but no pain.  Just a few times during the day when I got up from sitting, my head would hurt for 10 seconds or so. Now its Sat. my head feels ok…not back to normal yet, but I am going to try the gym later on. So whats wrong with me?  Like I said, I rarely get headaches, so 3 days in a row is VERY strange/concerning for me.  I did some research, and heres what I thought: 1. Low blood sugar – perhaps, but on Weds/Thurs, I did eat during that time and still had a headache. 2. Not breathing while working out – could be, I usually hold my breathe a bit, but that has NEVER affected me before. 3. Low blood pressure – I had my pressure checked at my annual checkup last year and it was fine, but would that cause a headache for 6 hours (weds) and 9 hours? (thurs) 4. Migrine – well supposedly migraines have pain in 1 eye (my left eyeball), but I did not feel nauseous, or have any flashes of light. 5. Tension headache – this week has been pretty stress free. 6. Getting sick – well its been 4 days now, no sneezing/coughing/sore throat.  I have no allergies that I know of. The ONLY two things I can think of…I have not listened to a walkman for years now, I just got one and listened to it on the way to and from work on Weds, and while working out on thurs.  But I dont know how that would be the cause, since I did not get a headache on the way to work. I last smoked a cigarette on Sunday (Dec 1) could it be withdrawal?  I dont usually suffer from withdrawal when I last quit, and would it really hit me almost 2 weeks after? Any thoughts?  Thanks -Tony

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| : Doxie always contact your doctor when the migraine pattern changes. Mine | : has done this over and over again through my 52 years of having them.  I | : hope that by the time you read this you have made an appointment… |    I am going to call on monday, but its not even that my migraine pattern | has changed…I almost never get headaches, but now I had it 3 days in a | row, I know for a fact I never had a headache for more than 1 day. | Weird —

central apnea and sleep paryalisis related?

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I had posted this link and information about escaping sleep paralysis before, but I never saw any feedback on whether or not it worked. Thanks for the update, Beth.  I am somewhat reluctant to suggest things unless I have some confidence that it might work for at least some people.  I find it so much more comfortable recommending something when I can say, "This worked for me…." Kent Taylor Tal wrote in message …

|> A while back ABC News did a report on SP.  The report suggested that you |> will snap out of SP if you move your eyes back and forth as they would |> during REM sleep.  Because I no longer have SP episodes, I have not been |> able to test that procedure.  The info from ABC News can be found at |> this link: |> http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/sleepparalysis99041 |> 1.html |> |> If anyone has tried this trick, I’d very much like to know if it worked |> for them. | | |I remember not only someone here posting about the eye thing to snap out of |SP – but also someone on another non-sleepdisorder related site saying that |it worked for them too. | |– |Beth in Australia |=================== |FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here |www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders |this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles | |

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> A while back ABC News did a report on SP.  The report suggested that you > will snap out of SP if you move your eyes back and forth as they would > during REM sleep.  Because I no longer have SP episodes, I have not been > able to test that procedure.  The info from ABC News can be found at > this link: > http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/sleepparalysis99041 > 1.html > If anyone has tried this trick, I’d very much like to know if it worked > for them.

I remember not only someone here posting about the eye thing to snap out of SP – but also someone on another non-sleepdisorder related site saying that it worked for them too. — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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Sleep paralysis [SP] is one of the symptoms of narcolepsy.  It is normal to be thus paralyzed during REM sleep; otherwise you physically act out your dreams.  SP outside of REM sleep suggests there might be a problem. I have narcolepsy and used to experience SP fairly often.  As a child it was terrifying, especially because I couldn’t make my parents understand what was happening.  When I learned that have narcolepsy after 37 years of it being undiagnosed, I began reading about it.  That’s how I learned about SP.  Oddly, I have had essentially no SP episodes since I learned what it is. A while back ABC News did a report on SP.  The report suggested that you will snap out of SP if you move your eyes back and forth as they would during REM sleep.  Because I no longer have SP episodes, I have not been able to test that procedure.  The info from ABC News can be found at this link: http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/sleepparalysis99041 1.html If anyone has tried this trick, I’d very much like to know if it worked for them. I agree with Lee Babcock’s suggestion about having a sleep test.  I suggest looking for a doctor who is a board-certified sleep doctor with a neurology background. Kent Taylor Eurydice Colette wrote in message

<131a7bbf.0212052207.68a2c…@posting.google.com>… |Hi, I have a question for all of you. |I had brain trauma at birth that resulted in my having central apnea |as a baby. I stopped breathing anywhere from 2-30 times a day, and was |on a monitor from birth until I was three. I obviously don’t stop |breathing like that anymore, but I often have parylisis dreams, in |which I cannot breathe. I wake up out of breath and very very tired. |They are very scary and unpleasant, and I was wondering if perhaps the |apnea and the smothering dreams were related. Anyone have any |thoughts?

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Hi, I have a question for all of you. I had brain trauma at birth that resulted in my having central apnea as a baby. I stopped breathing anywhere from 2-30 times a day, and was on a monitor from birth until I was three. I obviously don’t stop breathing like that anymore, but I often have parylisis dreams, in which I cannot breathe. I wake up out of breath and very very tired. They are very scary and unpleasant, and I was wondering if perhaps the apnea and the smothering dreams were related. Anyone have any thoughts?

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Eurydice Colette wrote: > Hi, I have a question for all of you. > I had brain trauma at birth that resulted in my having central apnea > as a baby. I stopped breathing anywhere from 2-30 times a day, and was > on a monitor from birth until I was three. I obviously don’t stop > breathing like that anymore, but I often have parylisis dreams, in > which I cannot breathe. I wake up out of breath and very very tired. > They are very scary and unpleasant, and I was wondering if perhaps the > apnea and the smothering dreams were related. Anyone have any > thoughts?

I would be more concerned that you currently are having episodes that are causing the dreams and that the dreams are in fact part of reality. Have you had an overnight sleep test? If not, I would have one and with your history, I would think you should  see a sleep specialist who is a neurologist. I’m sure others here will suggest something similar. Good luck on getting to the root of this. Regards Lee in Toronto —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Daughter's sleep problem

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Hi, My 14 year old daughter has started to wake during the night unable to open her eyes. She goes back to sleep and wakes up fine, but it is scaring her. Any ideas what this may be? Thanks

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On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 18:44:31 +0100, "Tina" <tina…@talk2removeme1.com> wrote: >My 14 year old daughter has started to wake during the night unable to >open her eyes. She goes back to sleep and wakes up fine, but it is >scaring her. Any ideas what this may be?

IANAD, but most likely sleep paralysis. Scary but harmless. — Visit Charlie’s Sneaker Pages: http://sneakers.pair.com/

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"Tina" <tina…@talk2removeme1.com> wrote: >My 14 year old daughter has started to wake during the night unable to >open her eyes. She goes back to sleep and wakes up fine, but it is >scaring her. Any ideas what this may be?

Does she feel totally paralyzed when this happens?  If so, it’s probably just sleep paralysis. Many people can break out of it by flicking their eyes rapidly back and forth, she might give it a try. Tom

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Unpleasant PA experience

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I must have fallen asleep either sometime during or just after the attack. I am unclear if you were awakened by this experience or you were awake already-I don’t think anyone has fallen asleep during a panic attack per se-heightened anxiety yes, but a level above 8 on a 0-10 scale would not be conducive to sleep-so perhaps you could clarify this

It’s a bit unclear to me too: I was completely awake when the attack started and admittedly I had just taken .5mg of Xanax because I had an appointment to go to, but I’ve never had Xanax put me to sleep *during* an attack: I’ve only ever become sleepy afterwards. This appointment wasn’t very worrying for me: I’d been there before and my sister was taking me. I can’t even really recall the attack completely: at some point before it reached full scale I remember my partner asked me if he should cancel the appointment, but I can’t remember him entering or leaving the room. My partner says that he entered and left the room several times and found me sleeping restlessly and that he put his hand on my shoulder to comfort me, but I remember feeling his hand during the attack and wasn’t able to speak. It’s quite confusing, maybe I fell in and out of sleep during the attack? It felt disjointed timewise, or maybe I just can’t remember the bits in between the parts where I *was* awake… I’ve never had an attack like this before, and am rather disturbed by it. <snip like I said, write it off as just one of those things-after a heart check up to make sure there is nothing going on there with conductivity or your electrical system-an easy couple of tests will do….

Sounds like a plan.<g Now I just need to remember to call my dr *during* the time that she is availible… force the psychiatrist to get *off* his arse and review my meds. btw the ssri’s and effexor can cause some of these spikes as well don’t remember what you use-

75mg of Effexor with the occasional Xanax… Vashti

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been very, very scary for you.  I hope you’re alright.  Did you call your doctor?

I’m feeling better now, thanks! Just a bit sleepy mostly. My doc just returned my call, and by her reaction I suspect she doesn’t *quite* understand anxiety or panic really well… She thinks it sounds as if there may have been a temporary shortage of oxygen in my brain that caused some of these symptoms…! Lovely, just wonderful. I feel *so* much better now!</sarcasm I’m to keep an eye on it, and if I get these attacks more frequently I should contact her…grrrrr! Vashti – who needs brain cells anyway, huh?<g

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I’ve never heard of people sleeping with their eyes open. Vashti, have you ever heard of this happening to anyone else?

Nope, and I hope it doesn’t happen to anyone else either: I don’t think it’s very good for your eyes, or for any aging parents! After thinking some more about the episode you had yesterday, I think all this heart checkup stuff and upcoming ECG test is causing you more anxiety than you are aware of. And the anxiety resulted in a panic attack and nothing more.

I hope so: compared to my dr’s take on the event it’s a much less worrying alternative. See my reply to Diane for my dr’s thoughts. I’m considering taking 1mg of the slow release version of Xanax for the next few days or so to help me get past this hiccup in my equilibrium. I’d rather not raise my Effexor because I was told I’d be switching meds soon. I’m confused about the psychiatrist’s understanding of the word "soon" though!<g Vashti

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:I’ve had nocturnal attacks, waking up *during* one etc, but this :attack started while I was wide awake. much sun yesterday Jacie ~*~Would you respect my mind more if it bounced gently when I walked?~*~

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too much sun yesterday

Mark B / exxfile has a dark cloud on offer, you know! Could be just the thing for you right now…<eg Vashti ;

Trouble waking up – feeling 'trapped' in sleep

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Sometimes right before I wake up I suddenly feel trapped and unable to escape the sleep.  I am very aware at the point that I need to get up and I really have to strain myself to actually wake up.  This is not a nightmare but seems much more physical in nature.  Anyone experience similar things? Martin

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Called REM or sleep paralysis! I’ve had it happen about a dozen times over the past 10 years. Don’t really now much about it since it happens to me so infrequently. Try www.google.com and use the search words I named, Rem paralysis or sleep paralysis. Could you post any good info you find, fatigue is burning me out ) Mike "Martin Kaareng" <pkaar…@online.no> wrote in message

news:7TtO8.2236$yj7.37129@news4.ulv.nextra.no… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sometimes right before I wake up I suddenly feel trapped and unable to > escape the sleep.  I am very aware at the point that I need to get up and I > really have to strain myself to actually wake up.  This is not a nightmare > but seems much more physical in nature.  Anyone experience similar things? > Martin

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"Martin Kaareng" <pkaar…@online.no> wrote: >Sometimes right before I wake up I suddenly feel trapped and unable to >escape the sleep.  I am very aware at the point that I need to get up and I >really have to strain myself to actually wake up.  This is not a nightmare >but seems much more physical in nature.  Anyone experience similar things?

It sounds like it’s just sleep paralysis, some people are able to break out of it by flicking their eyes back and forth rapidly. Give it a try and let us know if it works for you. Tom

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changing meds

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:Thanks, Jackie. :Yours Truly, ominick Hi Dom How are you doing? I`d like to hear all about it. Jackie ~*~Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…~*~

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:Yep thats right Jackie , except only half the intended dose :for Remeron for a few days before going to 30 mg a day. :Woke a bit better this morning . :Was having a horrible dream though. :Have you ever been in a dream and wanting to wake up and not be able too ?? :strange feeling the paxil, it isn`t dangerous just very uncomfie. called "sleep paralysis" and is one of the most terrifying things I have ever felt. Let us know how you are doing, please Jackie ~*~Be Who You Are.. And Say What You Feel.. Because Those Who Mind Don’t Matter.. And Those That Matter Don’t Mind…~*~

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Thanks, Jackie. Yours Truly, Dominick :Jackie, :Where’s OZ? :Yours Truly, ominick Oz is Australia Jackie

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Yep thats right Jackie , except only half the intended dose for Remeron for a few days before going to 30 mg a day. Woke a bit better this morning . Was having a horrible dream though. Have you ever been in a dream and wanting to wake up and not be able too ?? strange feeling Denis. :Ist Day  Jackie and I feel Yuk.. : :Could hardly keep my eyes open this morning and head feels like I am "drunk :as a skunk" . :really looking forward to the next week or two  -not enis

 What exactly did you do? Start the remeron and stopped the paxil cold  turkey? Sorry you are feeling yuckies (

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:Ist Day  Jackie and I feel Yuk.. : :Could hardly keep my eyes open this morning and head feels like I am "drunk :as a skunk" . :really looking forward to the next week or two  -not enis What exactly did you do? Start the remeron and stopped the paxil cold turkey? Sorry you are feeling yuckies ( Jackie ~*~Of course I’m sane! The voices told me so~*~

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Ist Day  Jackie and I feel Yuk.. Could hardly keep my eyes open this morning and head feels like I am "drunk as a skunk" . really looking forward to the next week or two  -not Denis .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :Jackie, :Where’s OZ? :Yours Truly, ominick Oz is Australia Jackie ~*~Count the garden by the flowers, never by the leaves that fall. Count your life with smiles and not the tears that roll~*~

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Jackie, Where’s OZ? Yours Truly, Dominick

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:Jackie, :Where’s OZ? :Yours Truly, ominick Oz is Australia Jackie ~*~Count the garden by the flowers, never by the leaves that fall. Count your life with smiles and not the tears that roll~*~

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:Hi Jackie , :thx for the reply , Ok Remeron , is it a similar type of drug to Paxil.  I :am on 20 mg paxil a day. He said to start for a few days at : 15mg Remeron then to 30 a day . I quized him on the sudden stop and he said :I would be OK !… Both are antidepressants but paxil is a SSRI and remeron is in a class of it`s own. I would advise that you don`t stop the paxil cold turkey, paxil is notorious for withdrawals. :Oh yeah a few stress’s still around . My mother has been booked for a major :Hip replacement (second one on that leg) : and been on the operating table twice now  , only to be sent home , very :distressing for her. 3rd time lucky maybe. :My eldest is backpacking Europe at the moment and other Son moved out to be :close to University. So things :have changed around here a bit. Sounds busy and stressful {{{{{Denis}}}}} :How are you ? Hope you are coping with things that happened close to you .or :is it still a constant fear. :cheers I am doing well, thanks for asking I assume you are talking about Sept 11th? About a month ago we had to go to New Jersey which means traveling through NYC, it was the first time I had seen the city since Sept 11th, was so strange not seeing the WTC there anymore. I really haven`t been living with alot of fear the last few gloom and it is upsetting. NYC is on some kind of alert, they have checkpoints at the Brooklyn bridge and I believe other places due to some kind of threat. My SIL is due to have a baby in a few weeks which means traveling through the city to see her which is hard enough to do, now add these scary news stories and it has me very nervous. My husband also has a convention in NYC to attend for two days in about two weeks. point ) Jackie ~*~Count the garden by the flowers, never by the leaves that fall. Count your life with smiles and not the tears that roll~*~

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Hi Jackie , thx for the reply , Ok Remeron , is it a similar type of drug to Paxil.  I am on 20 mg paxil a day. He said to start for a few days at  15mg Remeron then to 30 a day . I quized him on the sudden stop and he said I would be OK !… Oh yeah a few stress’s still around . My mother has been booked for a major Hip replacement (second one on that leg)  and been on the operating table twice now  , only to be sent home , very distressing for her. 3rd time lucky maybe. My eldest is backpacking Europe at the moment and other Son moved out to be close to University. So things have changed around here a bit. How are you ? Hope you are coping with things that happened close to you .or is it still a constant fear. cheers Denis

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I think you`re taking 40mgs? I urge you to talk to your doctor about slowly weaning off paxil while slowly weaning on remeron

first wean the paxil to at most 10mg a day before taking the remeron or you will be uncomfortable-do not cold turkey the aropax LM

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Hi everyone , I have come from the doc’s today and we have discussed a change in meds, Wondering if anyone has done similar and can report any advice etc. Changing from Aropax to Avanza while staying on Xanax . at 2 mg  a day. Cannot find anything to much on this drug , he say’s it is new ? (mirtazapine) and  no harm stopping the aropax overnight  and slowly increasing the Avanza over  abt a week to 30mg a day, I think I am glad the "X" is there if needed .!! Denis. .

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:Hi everyone , :I have come from the doc’s today and we have discussed a change in meds, :Wondering if anyone has done similar and can report any advice etc. :Changing from Aropax to Avanza while staying on Xanax . at 2 mg  a day. :Cannot find anything to much on this drug , he say’s it is new ? mirtazapine) and  no harm stopping the aropax overnight : and slowly increasing the Avanza over  abt a week to 30mg a day, :I think I am glad the "X" is there if needed .!! enis. Dear Denis, Mirtazapine is also known remeron. Maybe it is a new med for OZ because it isn`t a new med, been around for a few years now. I winced when I read that your doctor told you you could stop paxil experience some withdrawals. I think you`re taking 40mgs? I urge you to talk to your doctor about slowly weaning off paxil while slowly weaning on remeron, this can be done and I think would be easier on your body. How`s life been treating you? I know the last time you posted there were some stressors in your life? Hopefully things have calmed down for you. Always good to see you posting ) Jackie ~*~Count the garden by the flowers, never by the leaves that fall. Count your life with smiles and not the tears that roll~*~

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Are Sleep Study Results Secret?

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On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:07:06 GMT, Stephan Monyjang <monyj…@excite.com> wrote: >Anyway, when morning came, I asked what happend on her little monitoring >screen that made her come in the room. She wouldn’t tell me. Then I asked >her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules >for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL?

Standard operating procedure in a lot of cases. I had one who left me standing in front of the printer while it was printing the raw results summary. I remember one who I asked and she smiled and said, "You’ll get the results from your doctor, but don’t worry in the meantime." — Things would be a lot happier on Sesame Street if they’d just toss some Zoloft in Oscar the Grouch’s trashcan.

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Probably the sleep tech was avoiding liability. Ask the doc what was happening. Doc must tell. regards, eric pearson db2e…@nospammindspring.com On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:07:06 GMT, Stephan Monyjang – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<monyj…@excite.com> wrote: >I had my first sleep study tonight. I think this is the only test I ever >took where it didn’t help to be well rested. During the night I woke up once >and was completely paralyzed. I’ve read up on Sleep Paralysis so it didn’t >bother my. I actually wanted to try out a technique I read about that allows >you to break out of it at will. But as soon as I realized what was going on >and then tried to break out of it, the sleep tech came in the room and was >holding my legs down. >Anyway, when morning came, I asked what happend on her little monitoring >screen that made her come in the room. She wouldn’t tell me. Then I asked >her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules >for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL? Or do I have to wait >until I see an M.D.? I’m supposed to schedule part two of the test tomorrow. >Part two should be in about two weeks. >For those of you who’ve had sleep studies, when did you get the results? >Thanks! >Monyjang

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Since the original message disappeared I will reply here. Most techs won’t say anything. At my regular clinic where they know me sometimes they tell me things.  Last test they told me that I had no co2 retention but had alpha intrusions but my complete report showed the opposition and I called them and they revised it. I always tell people to get a complete copy of their sleep report. One thing that really bothers me is that when I went out to Stanford again a few weeks back, the doctor again said that deep sleep is not important and that everyone has alpha intrusions.  This really scares me that they are a teaching hospital and I did see a doctor who trained there who told me the same thing. Maybe I should send a email to Dr. Dement and ask why the clinic he started is doing such a dis-service to the sleep community.  I remember when I lost my deep sleep due to cpap the bottoms of my feet have like sharp skin when you touched it and now that my deep sleep is back I noticed the bottom of my feet are smooth. I mention this as you have been on this group for such a long time. "Charles L. Perrin" <c.l.per…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:fjumbu0k9m13eg00mu0rjp6ataj3hje9ug@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:07:06 GMT, Stephan Monyjang > <monyj…@excite.com> wrote: > >Anyway, when morning came, I asked what happend on her little monitoring > >screen that made her come in the room. She wouldn’t tell me. Then I asked > >her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules > >for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL? > Standard operating procedure in a lot of cases. > I had one who left me standing in front of the printer while it was > printing the raw results summary. > I remember one who I asked and she smiled and said, "You’ll get the > results from your doctor, but don’t worry in the meantime." > — > Things would be a lot happier on Sesame Street if they’d just toss some

Zoloft in Oscar the Grouch’s trashcan.

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On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:07:06 GMT, Stephan Monyjang <monyj…@excite.com> wrote: > Then I asked >her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules >for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL? Or do I have to wait >until I see an M.D.? I’m supposed to schedule part two of the test tomorrow. >Part two should be in about two weeks. >For those of you who’ve had sleep studies, when did you get the results?

Geez, sounds like your sleep tech was a real jerk.  Mine woke me up in the night to put on a CPAP, as my oxygen had fallen low enough to cause concern, and they knew from that that I had sleep apnea.  So I knew instantly that I had sleep apnea, and I got a copy of the report within 2 weeks. Darren

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sharp feet? Do you mean callouses with edges?  That’s is curious as I have noticed that too but not all the time… lack of circulation caused by lack of good sleep? hmmm… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Patrick Richards wrote: > Since the original message disappeared I will reply here. > Most techs won’t say anything. At my regular clinic where they know me > sometimes they tell me things.  Last test they told me that I had no co2 > retention but had alpha intrusions but my complete report showed the > opposition and I called them and they revised it. > I always tell people to get a complete copy of their sleep report. > One thing that really bothers me is that when I went out to Stanford again a > few weeks back, the doctor again said that deep sleep is not important and > that everyone has alpha intrusions.  This really scares me that they are a > teaching hospital and I did see a doctor who trained there who told me the > same thing. > Maybe I should send a email to Dr. Dement and ask why the clinic he started > is doing such a dis-service to the sleep community.  I remember when I lost > my deep sleep due to cpap the bottoms of my feet have like sharp skin when > you touched it and now that my deep sleep is back I noticed the bottom of my > feet are smooth. > I mention this as you have been on this group for such a long time. > "Charles L. Perrin" <c.l.per…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:fjumbu0k9m13eg00mu0rjp6ataj3hje9ug@4ax.com… > > On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:07:06 GMT, Stephan Monyjang > > <monyj…@excite.com> wrote: > > >Anyway, when morning came, I asked what happend on her little monitoring > > >screen that made her come in the room. She wouldn’t tell me. Then I asked > > >her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules > > >for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL? > > Standard operating procedure in a lot of cases. > > I had one who left me standing in front of the printer while it was > > printing the raw results summary. > > I remember one who I asked and she smiled and said, "You’ll get the > > results from your doctor, but don’t worry in the meantime." > > — > > Things would be a lot happier on Sesame Street if they’d just toss some > Zoloft in Oscar the Grouch’s trashcan.

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"Patrick Richards" <patrickricha…@attbi.com> wrote: >One thing that really bothers me is that when I went out to Stanford again a >few weeks back, the doctor again said that deep sleep is not important and >that everyone has alpha intrusions.  This really scares me that they are a >teaching hospital and I did see a doctor who trained there who told me the >same thing. >Maybe I should send a email to Dr. Dement and ask why the clinic he started >is doing such a dis-service to the sleep community.  

I think I’d do it. I’ve read Dr. Dement’s book, and he certainly doesn’t seem to hold the same opinion. Tom

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on the bottom of the heel of my feet instead of smooth skin it was prickly. Not due to circulation as I had the doppler done on my legs yesterday and I was told my legs are alright. "Susan Williamson Hill" <sr…@virginia.edu> wrote in message news:3CBC6099.6103DDFD@virginia.edu… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sharp feet? > Do you mean callouses with edges?  That’s is curious as I have noticed that too > but not all the time… lack of circulation caused by lack of good sleep? > hmmm… > Patrick Richards wrote: > > Since the original message disappeared I will reply here. > > Most techs won’t say anything. At my regular clinic where they know me > > sometimes they tell me things.  Last test they told me that I had no co2 > > retention but had alpha intrusions but my complete report showed the > > opposition and I called them and they revised it. > > I always tell people to get a complete copy of their sleep report. > > One thing that really bothers me is that when I went out to Stanford again a > > few weeks back, the doctor again said that deep sleep is not important and > > that everyone has alpha intrusions.  This really scares me that they are a > > teaching hospital and I did see a doctor who trained there who told me the > > same thing. > > Maybe I should send a email to Dr. Dement and ask why the clinic he started > > is doing such a dis-service to the sleep community.  I remember when I lost > > my deep sleep due to cpap the bottoms of my feet have like sharp skin when > > you touched it and now that my deep sleep is back I noticed the bottom of my > > feet are smooth. > > I mention this as you have been on this group for such a long time. > > "Charles L. Perrin" <c.l.per…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > > news:fjumbu0k9m13eg00mu0rjp6ataj3hje9ug@4ax.com… > > > On Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:07:06 GMT, Stephan Monyjang > > > <monyj…@excite.com> wrote: > > > >Anyway, when morning came, I asked what happend on her little monitoring > > > >screen that made her come in the room. She wouldn’t tell me. Then I asked > > > >her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules > > > >for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL? > > > Standard operating procedure in a lot of cases. > > > I had one who left me standing in front of the printer while it was > > > printing the raw results summary. > > > I remember one who I asked and she smiled and said, "You’ll get the > > > results from your doctor, but don’t worry in the meantime." > > > — > > > Things would be a lot happier on Sesame Street if they’d just toss some > > Zoloft in Oscar the Grouch’s trashcan.

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I had my first sleep study tonight. I think this is the only test I ever took where it didn’t help to be well rested. During the night I woke up once and was completely paralyzed. I’ve read up on Sleep Paralysis so it didn’t bother my. I actually wanted to try out a technique I read about that allows you to break out of it at will. But as soon as I realized what was going on and then tried to break out of it, the sleep tech came in the room and was holding my legs down. Anyway, when morning came, I asked what happend on her little monitoring screen that made her come in the room. She wouldn’t tell me. Then I asked her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL? Or do I have to wait until I see an M.D.? I’m supposed to schedule part two of the test tomorrow. Part two should be in about two weeks. For those of you who’ve had sleep studies, when did you get the results? Thanks! Monyjang

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Stephan Monyjang wrote: >Anyway, when morning came, I asked what happend on her little monitoring >screen that made her come in the room. She wouldn’t tell me. Then I asked >her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules >for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL? Or do I have to wait >until I see an M.D.?

  You absolutely have a right to see and have explained your test results. However, it is true that technicians are generally not supposed to discuss results with you — this is basically because they are not formally qualified to do so (though they often know plenty) and partial information can cause misunderstandings and anxiety (and possible legal exposures). This is also true in other medical testing situations such as ultrasound exams.     Your MD probably wants you to finish the test sequence before he discusses them with you.  But if you have a concern about the testing you’ve already completed or won’t relax until you have some questions answered, you shouldn’t hesitate to call him.    Good luck. JGM

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"Stephan Monyjang" <monyj…@excite.com> wrote in message

news:Xns91F1AE370A194monyjangexcitecom@216.166.71.230… > Anyway, when morning came, I asked what happend on her little monitoring > screen that made her come in the room. She wouldn’t tell me. Then I asked > her how many times I stopped breathing. She said it was against the rules > for her to discuss my results with me. Is this TYPICAL? Or do I have to wait > until I see an M.D.?

Stephan, Yes, that’s same thing that happened to me.  In my case, the test had to be read by a Doctor who specialized in sleep disorders.  His evaluation was then sent to my ENT.  The ENT shared just the basics of the first test results and told me that I needed the second test (with CPAP).  When I went back in for my second study, it was the same drill, but the Sleep Tech was more generous with information.  I requested a copy of both tests reports from my ENT and they faxed them to me. Rick

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Happy Dominion Day to our Canadian neighbors and friends!

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Why is this message posted in a sleep-disorder newsgroup? I can’t see a connection between Canada and the inability to sleep. Lenny — Lenny Abbey Atlanta, Georgia USA "Kent Taylor" <email…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message

news:dCy%6.53643$ID1.12317291@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com… > I wish our Canadian friends a most Happy Dominion Day!  Like our (USA)

Independence Day, it > celebrates their independence.  Unlike us, Canada achieved its

independence without a war. > I am glad that Canada is our neighbor (OK, neighbour, eh?), the best

neighbor/neighbour a country – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> can have. > Have a great day! > Kent Taylor > Upstate, NY, USA > p.s. My apologies to French-Canadians for my inability to write this in French.

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Just a friendly nod (thanks, BTW) to we Canadians from our southern neighbours…and remember, not all sleep-disorders involve the inability to sleep….there are those of us that cannot stay awake, some with sleep paralysis, hypnagogic hallucinations, night terrors, etc. G. A. Christian Bilou – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lenny Abbey wrote in message <9hmj1r$f5…@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>… >Why is this message posted in a sleep-disorder newsgroup? I can’t see a >connection between Canada and the inability to sleep. >Lenny >– >Lenny Abbey >Atlanta, Georgia USA

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Lenny Abbey wrote: > Why is this message posted in a sleep-disorder newsgroup? I can’t see a > connection between Canada and the inability to sleep. > Lenny > — > Lenny Abbey > Atlanta, Georgia USA

Lenny…… the connection is that it is an expression of kindness and consideration on Kent’s part, both of which have a connection to everything.  As a Canadian, I certainly appreciate his consideration and the fact that he has some knowledge about his neighbour to the north! I notice that you are in Atlanta, which is supposed to be the centre of southern charm.   Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Toronto, GWN

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Kent Taylor wrote: > I wish our Canadian friends a most Happy Dominion Day!  Like our (USA) Independence Day, it > celebrates their independence.  Unlike us, Canada achieved its independence without a war. > I am glad that Canada is our neighbor (OK, neighbour, eh?), the best neighbor/neighbour a country > can have. > Have a great day! > Kent Taylor > Upstate, NY, USA > p.s. My apologies to French-Canadians for my inability to write this in French.

Kent…….. thanks for your good wishes and I’d like to extend mine for your upcoming holiday as well.  Sorry that we took July 1 and you guys had to delay yours to the 4th <vbg> Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Toronto, GWN

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On Sun, 01 Jul 2001 05:32:57 GMT, "Kent Taylor" <email…@stny.rr.com> wrote: >I wish our Canadian friends a most Happy Dominion Day!  Like our >(USA) Independence Day, it celebrates their independence.  Unlike us, >Canada achieved its independence  without a war.

Could it be that after they lost the warmer parts of North America in a war, they decided they really didn’t want the left over frozen stuff to the north?

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Lenny – I am sorry that you found my post upsetting.  I placed the [OT] to let people know that the post was off-topic.  However, I look at this newsgroup not only as a source of advice about sleep issues, but as a community of people with a common interest.  Like any community of people, be it church members, scouts, sports, coworkers, or any other community, people talk about things not directly related to the community’s common interest in a way that increases the strength of their bonds. I have participated in this ng for several years.  I am not as active in it as I once was, but I still care about the people on the ng who have become cyber-acquaintances and even cyber-friends. Many of them are Canadian, and I wanted to let them know that I am still thinking of them. It is unfortunate that this has upset you, but perhaps as you become a member of this community, you will have the same feelings towards the others that I have.  I hope so for your sake, because it is a great feeling. Meanwhile, in an attempt to bring the thread on-topic, I infer from your comment about inability to sleep that you may be suffering from insomnia.  I am no expert on the subject, but I have heard that, for more than half of chronic insomniacs, their insomnia is actually caused by their anxiety about being unable to sleep. Their insomnia may begin when they suffer from a short period of insomnia, perhaps a result of a temporary situation such as stress or meds needed for a short term.  Then the insomniac becomes very anxious about needing sleep and starts worrying about not sleeping, which results in not being able to sleep. The solution is, of course, to stop worrying about it.  However, I suspect most people (me included) would find that nearly impossible to do.  But there is still something that someone can do. Apparently one can get most of the benefit of sleep (someone told me 80%) without actually sleeping by just lying quietly in bed and relaxing as well as one can. A number of years ago I had a bout with insomnia.  That was when a friend told me about the 80% thing, so I tried his advice.  I cannot tell you if the 80% thing worked, because of course I fell asleep! If you have trouble relaxing because you are pre-occupied with work or other issues, many people have suggested that you get up, make a list of your concerns and issues and resolve to deal with them in the morning and then ‘let go’.  I have not personally had occasion to try this, but others have said that it helps them. Also, turn off the lights in the early evening.  Remember, mankind has had the benefit of bright evening light for only about 120 years; prior to that light was limited to the light of a candle or fire or gas light, which are far less bright than even a relatively low brightness lamp.  Even the bright screen of a TV will disrupt sleep, especially because it is the focus of attention. Sleep well. Regards, Kent Taylor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lenny Abbey wrote in message <9hmj1r$f5…@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>… >Why is this message posted in a sleep-disorder newsgroup? I can’t see a >connection between Canada and the inability to sleep. >Lenny >– >Lenny Abbey >Atlanta, Georgia USA >"Kent Taylor" <email…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message >news:dCy%6.53643$ID1.12317291@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com… >> I wish our Canadian friends a most Happy Dominion Day!  Like our (USA) >Independence Day, it >> celebrates their independence.  Unlike us, Canada achieved its >independence without a war. >> I am glad that Canada is our neighbor (OK, neighbour, eh?), the best >neighbor/neighbour a country >> can have. >> Have a great day! >> Kent Taylor >> Upstate, NY, USA >> p.s. My apologies to French-Canadians for my inability to write this in >French.

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Lenny Abbey wrote: > Why is this message posted in a sleep-disorder newsgroup? I can’t see a > connection between Canada and the inability to sleep. > Lenny

Lenny, Kent is a long termer here and has contributed huge amounts of help to ASSD. We often compare medical treatment with the U.S. and Canada, it don’t hurt to give a friendly shout to a neighbor on a National holiday of theirs. Last tuesday we had the International Freedom Festival here in Detroit and Windsor, Canada. The celebration brought 1.6 million (yes that’s Million) on our side and another million on the Canadian side. Weez buddies. Ever gone to Canada and bought some fries? They are to die for. Then you get a good nights sleep — Bob Visit my information & link page at http://twilight.webbernet.net/~gooteebob/index_html.htm news.newusers.questions Moderation Team Worker news:news.newusers.questions

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -*BobGootee wrote: > Lenny Abbey wrote: > > Why is this message posted in a sleep-disorder newsgroup? I can’t see a > > connection between Canada and the inability to sleep. > > Lenny > Lenny, > Kent is a long termer here and has contributed huge amounts of help to > ASSD. > We often compare medical treatment with the U.S. and Canada, it don’t > hurt to give a friendly shout to a neighbor on a National holiday of > theirs. > Last tuesday we had the International Freedom Festival here in Detroit > and Windsor, Canada. The celebration brought 1.6 million (yes that’s > Million) on our side and another million on the Canadian side. Weez > buddies. > Ever gone to Canada and bought some fries? They are to die for. Then you > get a good nights sleep > — > Bob > Visit my information & link page at > http://twilight.webbernet.net/~gooteebob/index_html.htm > news.newusers.questions Moderation Team Worker > news:news.newusers.questions

I had no idea.  I guess you really do learn something every day.  Happy Dominion Day! Now I’m hungry;-) — "I do this really moronic thing that the government doesn’t want me to do. It is called thinking" – George Carlin George <aka Dubbya> Bush- Commander in Thief Remove * * to reply.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sharon wrote: > "Kent Taylor" <email…@stny.rr.com> wrote in message > news:dCy%6.53643$ID1.12317291@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com… > > I wish our Canadian friends a most Happy Dominion Day!  Like our (USA) > Independence Day, it > > celebrates their independence.  Unlike us, Canada achieved its > independence without a war. > > I am glad that Canada is our neighbor (OK, neighbour, eh?), the best > neighbor/neighbour a country > > can have. > > Have a great day! > > Kent Taylor > > Upstate, NY, USA > > p.s. My apologies to French-Canadians for my inability to write this in > French. > Je souhaite