Contrarian all fours meditation
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Hello Ben, I wish you could tell the cancer cells to meditate. They will not. You can, and such, but the cells will double and triple. I understand the thought of leading a good life, meditating, breathing in and out, and do you still get a cold now and then? Do you have a sore shoulder, or a worry? In-other words, meditation is good for all around mental good feeling. Running does that for me! I am trying to say that running for me would not cure cancer, and that mediatating may make you feel great, Meditate after the cancer has been diagnosed, and removed. My 2 penny’s. I do believe in meditation, and such…..but that is prior to a say"broken arm" runny nose, arthritis….. You are diagnosed, and have an illness……. If you broke an arm would meditation heal it? Please, get some help, live healty, and find a Dr. you can trust! Meditate…It cannot hurt, but the cancer inside can! John Loomis Please keep us posted. We worry and do not want to have to add more meditation to our schedule for friends that are ill. Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contrarian All Fours Meditation This submission is about meditation and the immune system. Before having a biopsy, which diagnosed my prostate as cancerous I looked into meditation on the WWW for a therapeutic remedy. One site told me that the brain was not connected to cancer and since meditation is a function of the brain it could have no possible effect. Being a contrarian by nature and probably after this – to some – a crackpot, I have decided to take issue with that. The basic tenet of meditation is I think, to sit still and somehow slow your heartbeat while breathing normally. I call it lulling your body to sleep. I decided to walk around my rec. room very slowly (not as slow as Tim Conway did as the old man on the Carol Burnett show) and breathe deeply, repeating (mentally)’I am’ while inhaling and ‘alive’ when exhaling very slowly. When exhaling I can feel a soothing rush moving from the top of my body down to my feet. I’m theorizing that during inactive meditation the immune system goes to sleep. Walking, while breathing deeply, increases circulation perhaps activating the system. Saying I’m alive is a factual statement sending a positive message through your body, in contrast to: I want to live or other such statements, which to me is pleading and therefore negative. Perhaps you body’s immunity manager would even be offended and shout, "get the hell off my back I’ve got enough on my hands down here sorting out all the crap you’re swallowing!" An aside While walking I noticed that my palms got cold when inhaling and then suddenly warm when exhaling. It is almost as if my body breathes through the skin. I’ve only tried it once while sitting with my socks off and it seems to have the same effect on my soles. This is most effective in a colder room. Well all right – I’m procrastinating. Continuing After a few days I decided to yield to conventional wisdom and sit down meditating, only still breathing deeply. I have read somewhere that you should meditate for twenty minutes at the time. That is a long time to stay in the same position, so after five minutes, for some inexplicable reason, I decided to get down on all fours for the next five. Here comes the crackpot part. Since it is impossible for me to go on repeating, I’m alive, due to a brain with a mind of its own (there’s a thought); I got thinking about animals living their lives that way. Then I remembered reading somewhere that the spine has not yet evolved perfectly for bipedalism, which is supposed to be the reason why so many of us have back problems. In evolutionary terms we have in one form or another spend much more time on all fours than otherwise. Is it possible then that the immune system has a similar problem and that it functions better on all fours? During the following few days I included five minute kneeling with my forearms on a chair, simulating the spine angle of some of our ancestors; then for variety, five minutes standing with my forearms resting on a table. Finally, as a way of tipping my hat to inactive meditation, I sit on a chair again for five minutes while breathing normally, still relishing the rush, which by then feels almost orgasmic – well close. If it’s near bedtime, I’m almost asleep. If nothing else, changing positions makes the time fly. In addition I feel rejuvenated and relaxed after each session. I use my screensaver as a timer, (six minutes by now) which means that I just have to touch the mouse after each segment. That is thirty minutes three times a day. Gentlemen and – oh yes – ladies, start your critiques please. Ben the contrarian
Response:
Contrarian All Fours Meditation This submission is about meditation and the immune system.
… Ben, You didn’t say whether you are using meditation as an adjunct to medical treatment, or as a substitute for it. If you are using it as a substitute, then I want to second everything John Loomis said. Anecdotal evidence to the contrary, meditation will not cure cancer. If you try meditation first just to see what it will do, you run a serious risk of letting the cancer develop further so that medical treatment becomes more difficult and more problematic. Your best bet is to plan to get medical treatment now. It may well be true that meditation stimulates the immune system. But you already know that your immune system did not prevent this cancer. Do you trust it, even if somewhat stimulated, to reverse the course of the cancer? Bear in mind also that chemical treatments designed to stimulate the immune system (e.g., Interleukin 2) generally do not work or, if they do work, only do so for a very limited time – perhaps containing the cancer for a while but very, very rarely killing it. Medical treatment is nasty. There’s no doubt about it. Whether you choose surgery or radiation, violence will be done to your body. You won’t be quite the same afterwards. But there is a very excellent chance that, if the treatment is performed in time, you will kill the cancer and survive. Meditation is pleasant. It does no violence to the body. But, unless you are an older man with a slow growing cancer who is likely to die of something else first, there is an excellent chance that with meditation alone the cancer will kill you and you will die a very nasty death, with much, much worse pain and suffering than from the medical treatments. So, by all means, meditate. But get medical treatment! Alan
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Thanks for the advice. I waiting for my appointment at a cancer clinic and have every intentions of being treated as well as continuing with my contrarian ways. Ben – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contrarian All Fours Meditation This submission is about meditation and the immune system. … Ben, You didn’t say whether you are using meditation as an adjunct to medical treatment, or as a substitute for it. If you are using it as a substitute, then I want to second everything John Loomis said. Anecdotal evidence to the contrary, meditation will not cure cancer. If you try meditation first just to see what it will do, you run a serious risk of letting the cancer develop further so that medical treatment becomes more difficult and more problematic. Your best bet is to plan to get medical treatment now. It may well be true that meditation stimulates the immune system. But you already know that your immune system did not prevent this cancer. Do you trust it, even if somewhat stimulated, to reverse the course of the cancer? Bear in mind also that chemical treatments designed to stimulate the immune system (e.g., Interleukin 2) generally do not work or, if they do work, only do so for a very limited time – perhaps containing the cancer for a while but very, very rarely killing it. Medical treatment is nasty. There’s no doubt about it. Whether you choose surgery or radiation, violence will be done to your body. You won’t be quite the same afterwards. But there is a very excellent chance that, if the treatment is performed in time, you will kill the cancer and survive. Meditation is pleasant. It does no violence to the body. But, unless you are an older man with a slow growing cancer who is likely to die of something else first, there is an excellent chance that with meditation alone the cancer will kill you and you will die a very nasty death, with much, much worse pain and suffering than from the medical treatments. So, by all means, meditate. But get medical treatment! Alan
Response:
Contrarian All Fours Meditation This submission is about meditation and the immune system. Before having a biopsy, which diagnosed my prostate as cancerous I looked into meditation on the WWW for a therapeutic remedy. One site told me that the brain was not connected to cancer and since meditation is a function of the brain it could have no possible effect. Being a contrarian by nature and probably after this – to some – a crackpot, I have decided to take issue with that. The basic tenet of meditation is I think, to sit still and somehow slow your heartbeat while breathing normally. I call it lulling your body to sleep. I decided to walk around my rec. room very slowly (not as slow as Tim Conway did as the old man on the Carol Burnett show) and breathe deeply, repeating (mentally)’I am’ while inhaling and ‘alive’ when exhaling very slowly. When exhaling I can feel a soothing rush moving from the top of my body down to my feet. I’m theorizing that during inactive meditation the immune system goes to sleep. Walking, while breathing deeply, increases circulation perhaps activating the system. Saying I’m alive is a factual statement sending a positive message through your body, in contrast to: I want to live or other such statements, which to me is pleading and therefore negative. Perhaps you body’s immunity manager would even be offended and shout, "get the hell off my back I’ve got enough on my hands down here sorting out all the crap you’re swallowing!" An aside While walking I noticed that my palms got cold when inhaling and then suddenly warm when exhaling. It is almost as if my body breathes through the skin. I’ve only tried it once while sitting with my socks off and it seems to have the same effect on my soles. This is most effective in a colder room. Well all right – I’m procrastinating. Continuing After a few days I decided to yield to conventional wisdom and sit down meditating, only still breathing deeply. I have read somewhere that you should meditate for twenty minutes at the time. That is a long time to stay in the same position, so after five minutes, for some inexplicable reason, I decided to get down on all fours for the next five. Here comes the crackpot part. Since it is impossible for me to go on repeating, I’m alive, due to a brain with a mind of its own (there’s a thought); I got thinking about animals living their lives that way. Then I remembered reading somewhere that the spine has not yet evolved perfectly for bipedalism, which is supposed to be the reason why so many of us have back problems. In evolutionary terms we have in one form or another spend much more time on all fours than otherwise. Is it possible then that the immune system has a similar problem and that it functions better on all fours? During the following few days I included five minute kneeling with my forearms on a chair, simulating the spine angle of some of our ancestors; then for variety, five minutes standing with my forearms resting on a table. Finally, as a way of tipping my hat to inactive meditation, I sit on a chair again for five minutes while breathing normally, still relishing the rush, which by then feels almost orgasmic – well close. If it’s near bedtime, I’m almost asleep. If nothing else, changing positions makes the time fly. In addition I feel rejuvenated and relaxed after each session. I use my screensaver as a timer, (six minutes by now) which means that I just have to touch the mouse after each segment. That is thirty minutes three times a day. Gentlemen and – oh yes – ladies, start your critiques please. Ben the contrarian
