– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Years ago I inadvertently posted to this group advertising some auctions. From that misunderstanding I was damn near nuked from my ISP and sent hate emails from people who felt righteous and that they themselves had never done anything wrong. I am going to ask for an honest answer; how much of the above happened after you had posted the ad but before you had responded with your first shot in what you admit turned into a flaewar?  I rather suspect that people who post ads and then apologize when told not to do that don’t get the reaction you describe.

Judge for yourself: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.marketing.online.ebay/browse_frm/t… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This turned into a flame war situation where after a while everyone, practically, killfiled me. Since then I’ve basically lurked, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Everything from top-posting to asking the same question someone else asked (even if it was like a year ago) gets jumped on. Good luck trying to change it. If you really want to change it, there is a method that really does work: THE STANDARD ADVICE: There is a way to influence what gets discussed in a newsgroup that works well, and another way that has never worked no matter how many people have tried it. What works:  Post articles on the topic you wish to see discussed and participate in the resulting discussion.  Use killfiles and filters so that you don’t see the articles that you dislike. If you don’t know how to use a killfile, use good old fashioned discipline and don’t read the articles that you dislike.  Never, ever respond to articles that you dislike. What doesn’t work: Respond to articles that you dislike, complain about articles that you dislike, complain about posters that you dislike, complain about how terrible everyone else is for not posting what you want them to post. Talk about how to respond to articles that you dislike.  Make the articles that you dislike the center of attention, the main topic of discussion, and a personal crusade.                                                          -Guy Macon (There may be merit in a limited discussion about The Standard Advice, but it is unclear whether such discussions (including this one) are beneficial.)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are EXACTLY correct in your views and evaluation. I am guilty of commenting rather than helping. And for a first timer, its frustrating. I posted a question in the quickbooks NG last night and got 2 absolutely smartasss "answers" which werent answers in the least. I would challenge everyone to re-read flatch’s words and lets try a new approach for the next week and see what happens in this group. And yet in your very next post you reply to a post by "nes..", which my filter removed as being yet another morph by the poster who posts as Ri.. Ber.. Darn it! I wish I could figure out how to configure a decent newsreader! A

Or at least configure a decent newsreader figure! — Joanne

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Curious. I’ve noticed an increasing amount of opinionated answers from ‘how to’ questions.  [...]

Yer sleepwalking, right?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are EXACTLY correct in your views and evaluation. I am guilty of commenting rather than helping. And for a first timer, its frustrating. I posted a question in the quickbooks NG last night and got 2 absolutely smartasss "answers" which werent answers in the least. I would challenge everyone to re-read flatch’s words and lets try a new approach for the next week and see what happens in this group. And yet in your very next post you reply to a post by "nes..", which my filter removed as being yet another morph by the poster who posts as Ri.. Ber..

Darn it! I wish I could figure out how to configure a decent newsreader! A

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In some newsgroups, the regulars will advise newbies about not feeding trolls.  Most newbies can wrap their minds around the idea that resonding to abusive posts leads to more abusive posts, and those few who can’t can be killfiled along with the trolls.

That’s good advice; I’ll try to do that on the rare occasions I know the answer to a newbie question. -Bertha — Let us endeavor so to live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry.           — Mark Twain, "Pudd’nhead Wilson’s Calendar"

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I also think a lot of folks seem compelled to respond to everything directed their way and are unable to ignore the stuff that’s snide or jokey or challenging.

That’s because we have in our genes behavior patterns that assume face-to-face contact.  In real life, several of the regulars here would get severe beatings for acting as they do.  In real life we all tend to give someone verbal clues that they should stop what they are doing or face the consequences.  On Usenet, someone is free to invent an alias and make a game of tweaking those who react in the normal human fashion.  There have been cases where someone figured out who their attacker really was and exacted revenge, but those cases are rare.  Here on Usenet, the best response to anything rude or abusive is to set up a filter so that you don’t see it, and to assume that anyone who has a brain has done the same.  "Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker’s  game because they almost always turn out to be  – or to be  indistinguishable from — self-righteous sixteen-year-olds  possessing infinite amounts of free time."                              -Neil Stephenson, _Cryptonomicon_

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Hey – I resent that! I do help the newbies – I challenge you to find *me* chortling "Google is your friend." in response to any question, regardless of how many times it’s been asked. I daresay I’ve answered a lot more questions in this group than you have.

That is true.  You are not part of the problem of flamewars and of abusing newbies.  You are a major contributor to the problem of off-topic posting (check your last dozen posts), but – unlike the case with the abuse problem – it is quite common for a group to be full of off-topic yet friendly discussions and still be very useful to those who wish to discuss the topic, so I don’t see off- topic posts as being much of a problem. You could do a bit better with the subject lines, though.  Anyone reading a post by you titled "Bye Bye FEMA Guy" or "Was Barbara Bush ever a blonde?" shouldn’t expect a discussion about eBay, but someone seeing a post by you titled "Reefaging as a negotiating tactic" just might expect a discussion about that, not about having sex while waiting for your VW to cool off… Here is a little tune about Trolling Usenet: (Sung to The Tune of "Be Our Guest" from Disney’s "Beauty and the Beast") Be a troll! Be a troll! Let disruption be your goal – Anything that you can do to draw attention to your role Egoboo can be nice Get your fix at any price You can make entire newsgroups into clucking little birdcoops Be a troll! Be a troll! Pound their patience into coal Tell the regulars they have no sense of flair Insult their mothers too and their manners, pfoo! Be a troll, be a troll, be a troll! Make them burn, make them freeze Sing of people scratching fleas Snigger at the woes of others who are forced upon their knees Stress and fear, jealous rage Let them be your guiding gauge Then accuse the quiet suckers all as nosy mother****ers Don’t be small, don’t be tame Show you have no sense of shame Just enrage them til on stage the heads will roll You love to shrill out flame, it’s all a giant game Be a troll, dig a hole, you’re a troll. Flaming dues, barbeques Ought to wake ‘em where they snooze Don’t forget to douse the fires with proof 307 booze (song tangent) : 307 Ale my friends, 307 Ale! The finest drink that any bar has ever had for sale!… (ahem) Feed them slugs, feed them snails Put their legs between their tails And so what if you are hated cuz their nerves are really grated When you leave, do salute give that middle finger toot And be proud of your achievements in your soul For you have shown that they are evil in their way You’re a troll-l-l-l, says our poll-l-l-l, you’re a troll-l-l-l! – Words by Leslie Fish and Gary McGath.

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I doubt it will change anything.  Many times I have seen a new poster ask a question, get several thoughtful and informative replies, and completely ignore those to engage in arguments with those who made the snide comments or jokes.  It gives me the impression that the newcomers don’t WANT helpful and informative replies, or they’d be giving more attention to those.

In some newsgroups, the regulars will advise newbies about not feeding trolls.  Most newbies can wrap their minds around the idea that resonding to abusive posts leads to more abusive posts, and those few who can’t can be killfiled along with the trolls.

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Because everyone needs to vent once and a while and have fun with it. Eventually though in repsonses the question or issue seems to get answered on here over a day or 2 and many times same day.

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Years ago I inadvertently posted to this group advertising some auctions. From that misunderstanding I was damn near nuked from my ISP and sent hate emails from people who felt righteous and that they themselves had never done anything wrong.

I am going to ask for an honest answer; how much of the above happened after you had posted the ad but before you had responded with your first shot in what you admit turned into a flaewar?  I rather suspect that people who post ads and then apologize when told not to do that don’t get the reaction you describe. This turned into a flame war situation where after a while everyone, practically, killfiled me. Since then I’ve basically lurked, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Everything from top-posting to asking the same question someone else asked (even if it was like a year ago) gets jumped on. Good luck trying to change it.

If you really want to change it, there is a method that really does work:  THE STANDARD ADVICE:  There is a way to influence what gets discussed in a newsgroup that  works well, and another way that has never worked no matter how many  people have tried it.  What works:  Post articles on the topic you wish to see discussed  and participate in the resulting discussion.  Use killfiles and  filters so that you don’t see the articles that you dislike.    If you don’t know how to use a killfile, use good old fashioned  discipline and don’t read the articles that you dislike.  Never,  ever respond to articles that you dislike.  What doesn’t work: Respond to articles that you dislike, complain  about articles that you dislike, complain about posters that you  dislike, complain about how terrible everyone else is for not posting  what you want them to post. Talk about how to respond to articles  that you dislike.  Make the articles that you dislike the center of  attention, the main topic of discussion, and a personal crusade.                                                           -Guy Macon (There may be merit in a limited discussion about The Standard Advice, but it is unclear whether such discussions (including this one) are beneficial.)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have noticed that moderated groups dont have NEAR the level of jerks in it. Has anyone considered breaking off a mod group? This is a discussion forum. Every single thing that gets posted here is an "opinion". A mod group about marketing sounds perfect for those type of posters that drive by here and ask:   "I’m thinking of getting into selling.    I know nothing about how to sell or use eBay    and I don’t have any hobbies that I’m expert at.    I simply want someone to tell me [free of course]    where to buy products at a low price so that I    can resell them at a high price and make lots    of money. Jokers, jerks and opinionated    people need not apply." Craig

And, of course, they want somebody to blame for all their own stupid mistakes. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, same here!  We always have assholes Angrie Woman and Ty to look up to, though. Hey – I resent that! I do help the newbies – I challenge you to find *me* chortling "Google is your friend." in response to any question, regardless of how many times it’s been asked. I daresay I’ve answered a lot more questions in this group than you have.  Deb and Richard left because they realized early the futility of making this group enjoyable again. How do you know that? I didn’t see either of them sign off. The last person I saw leave, stating that reason, was JJ the video game seller.

Deb was having a lot of health issues, as she briefly mentioned now and then.  Someone reported having been in communication with her and said she’d had very bad back problems. OTOH, any usenet group "belongs" to the people who post to it. Folks move in and out of groups as their interest waxes and wanes, and the culture of any group is likely to change over the years as the regular posters change.  I tend to think that anyone who thinks he *deserves* a particular response or level of help from *any* group of strangers is a fool.   — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I don’t make judgments about why people chose not to leave but, you know, there was a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans."    –FEMA Director Mike Brown, blaming storm victims for their      misery after Hurricane Katrina; CNN, Thursday, 9/1/05

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I have noticed that moderated groups dont have NEAR the level of jerks in it. Has anyone considered breaking off a mod group?

This is a discussion forum. Every single thing that gets posted here is an "opinion". A mod group about marketing sounds perfect for those type of posters that drive by here and ask:   "I’m thinking of getting into selling.    I know nothing about how to sell or use eBay    and I don’t have any hobbies that I’m expert at.    I simply want someone to tell me [free of course]    where to buy products at a low price so that I    can resell them at a high price and make lots    of money. Jokers, jerks and opinionated    people need not apply." Craig

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something like: I would challenge everyone to re-read flatch’s words and lets try a new approach for the next week and see what happens in this group. I doubt it will change anything.  Many times I have seen a new poster ask a question, get several thoughtful and informative replies, and completely ignore those to engage in arguments with those who made the snide comments or jokes.  It gives me the impression that the newcomers don’t WANT helpful and informative replies, or they’d be giving more attention to those.

I also think a lot of folks seem compelled to respond to everything directed their way and are unable to ignore the stuff that’s snide or jokey or challenging.  I suspect this is due to a misperception that this newsgroup exists to provide support and information to newbies and the clueless, a concept which encourages people who don’t get 100% straight answers to take affront and feel they’ve been ill-served. And of course there are they "opinion wanted" posters who really want only *supportive* opinions that confirm their specific grievances and complaints. Personally, I find it utterly hilarious that Flatch — if indeed it was really Flatch — would post the item he did and even funnier that Nester would fall for it.  Somebody hand that boy a sign! — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I don’t make judgments about why people chose not to leave but, you know, there was a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans."    –FEMA Director Mike Brown, blaming storm victims for their      misery after Hurricane Katrina; CNN, Thursday, 9/1/05

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Everything from top-posting to asking the same question someone else asked (even if it was like a year ago) gets jumped on. Good luck trying to change it.

Most people get away with top posting and asking the same questions that were asked a week ago for a while … some don’t.  Most will ask a person to stop top posting (or top stop posting … or whatever) before killfiling them.  I’m not one who jumps on people for just asking questions (no matter how silly I think they are) but I am of the opinion that this NG is what it is and it’s made up of people who have varying opinions, ways of doing business, backgrounds and agendas. Like eBay, no one twists my arm to stay … so if I didn’t like it or couldn’t tolerate it, I could move on to another NG … or stop reading all of them.  Problem solved.

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I doubt it will change anything.  Many times I have seen a new poster ask a question, get several thoughtful and informative replies, and completely ignore those to engage in arguments with those who made the snide comments or jokes.  It gives me the impression that the newcomers don’t WANT helpful and informative replies, or they’d be giving more attention to those. -Bertha

Or more to the point, that the poster has made a really stupid mistake and is looking for somebody else to blame. And then gets upset when they receive accurate and correct info. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Everything from top-posting to asking the same question someone else asked (even if it was like a year ago) gets jumped on. Good luck trying to change it. — Rusty www.rbwaters.com eBay ID: huskydustyrusty

No one jumps on top posters anymore. Bruno simply reconfigures them. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics   3860 West First Street  Box 809  Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com

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Yes, same here!  We always have assholes Angrie Woman and Ty to look up to, though.

Hey – I resent that! I do help the newbies – I challenge you to find *me* chortling "Google is your friend." in response to any question, regardless of how many times it’s been asked. I daresay I’ve answered a lot more questions in this group than you have.   Deb and Richard left because they realized early the futility of   making this group enjoyable again. How do you know that? I didn’t see either of them sign off. The last person I saw leave, stating that reason, was JJ the video game seller. A

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Curious. I’ve noticed an increasing amount of opinionated answers from ‘how to’ questions. In fact, in many cases if someone asks a question about how to do something, all he gets exclusively is opinions or snide remarks; everything BUT the answer to his question. Example. A guy recently asked how to incorporate sample songs in his listings for CDs he’s selling. Instead of getting an answer, all he got were warnings, opinions, stupid remarks and jokes. (on a side note, over 900 sellers are doing just what he is asking about.) This ‘ready to pounce’ posture is really making this group seem like a bunch of assholes. I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve done it too. But then I asked myself what possible gain am I getting out of it. A feeling of superiority? To WOW the group with my clever answer? To make myself feel better by playing quasi lawyer? To get a sense of helping someone by giving them my opinion, or doing it simply to shoot them down just for the sake of shooting them down? You all know how many years my ridiculous ass has been in this group. So let the jokes and opinion responses begin. Obviously it will be completely unoriginal, but like the scorpion…… That’s one thing I really liked about Deb Stevenson. She was as classy as they get. I miss her and her kind of posts.

Years ago I inadvertently posted to this group advertising some auctions. From that misunderstanding I was damn near nuked from my ISP and sent hate emails from people who felt righteous and that they themselves had never done anything wrong. This turned into a flame war situation where after a while everyone, practically, killfiled me. Since then I’ve basically lurked, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Everything from top-posting to asking the same question someone else asked (even if it was like a year ago) gets jumped on. Good luck trying to change it. — Rusty www.rbwaters.com eBay ID: huskydustyrusty

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Curious. I’ve noticed an increasing amount of opinionated answers from ‘how to’ questions. In fact, in many cases if someone asks a question about how to do something, all he gets exclusively is opinions or snide remarks; everything BUT the answer to his question. Example. A guy recently asked how to incorporate sample songs in his listings for CDs he’s selling. Instead of getting an answer, all he got were warnings, opinions, stupid remarks and jokes. (on a side note, over 900 sellers are doing just what he is asking about.) This ‘ready to pounce’ posture is really making this group seem like a bunch of assholes. I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve done it too. But then I asked myself what possible gain am I getting out of it. A feeling of superiority? To WOW the group with my clever answer? To make myself feel better by playing quasi lawyer? To get a sense of helping someone by giving them my opinion, or doing it simply to shoot them down just for the sake of shooting them down? You all know how many years my ridiculous ass has been in this group. So let the jokes and opinion responses begin. Obviously it will be completely unoriginal, but like the scorpion…… That’s one thing I really liked about Deb Stevenson. She was as classy as they get. I miss her and her kind of posts.

Who are you?  What happened to the *real* Flatch?  And why are you posting under his name?   — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed "I don’t make judgments about why people chose not to leave but, you know, there was a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans."    –FEMA Director Mike Brown, blaming storm victims for their      misery after Hurricane Katrina; CNN, Thursday, 9/1/05

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have noticed that moderated groups dont have NEAR the level of jerks in it. Has anyone considered breaking off a mod group?

Put Google to work. You will see that Flatch would probably be the first one booted off of a moderated group.

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something like: I would challenge everyone to re-read flatch’s words and lets try a new approach for the next week and see what happens in this group.

I doubt it will change anything.  Many times I have seen a new poster ask a question, get several thoughtful and informative replies, and completely ignore those to engage in arguments with those who made the snide comments or jokes.  It gives me the impression that the newcomers don’t WANT helpful and informative replies, or they’d be giving more attention to those. -Bertha — "I understand.  Let us celebrate our agreement with the adding of chocolate to milk."             — Homer Simpson

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Curious. I’ve noticed an increasing amount of opinionated answers from ‘how to’ questions. In fact, in many cases if someone asks a question about how to do something, all he gets exclusively is opinions or snide remarks; everything BUT the answer to his question. And you were really expecting more from these idiots?  You have been here long enough to know better than to expect anything more. Example. A guy recently asked how to incorporate sample songs in his listings for CDs he’s selling. Instead of getting an answer, all he got were warnings, opinions, stupid remarks and jokes. (on a side note, over 900 sellers are doing just what he is asking about.) Because these idiots don’t have a clue, but feel it best to interject their high level of stupidity for us all to be in awe.  It’s best to strum them along. This ‘ready to pounce’ posture is really making this group seem like a bunch of assholes. I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve done it too. But then I asked myself what possible gain am I getting out of it. A feeling of superiority? To WOW the group with my clever answer? To make myself feel better by playing quasi lawyer? To get a sense of helping someone by giving them my opinion, or doing it simply to shoot them down just for the sake of shooting them down? You must be a slow learner, Flatch?  Well, "seems like a bunch of assholes" is a major understatement.  This group has degraded to a desirability of a public toilet.  This is why I find it so much more productive to "kick the nest" and use this group as my personal toilet.  It’s always best to adhere to the local native’s customs when visiting.  Take a shit and sit a spell! You all know how many years my ridiculous ass has been in this group. So let the jokes and opinion responses begin. Obviously it will be completely unoriginal, but like the scorpion…… Give us credit!  I strive everyday to make this group a much more pleasant and desirable place while being highly entertaining.  I now realize it’s a lost cause since it’s impossible to bring life back into this corpse. That’s one thing I really liked about Deb Stevenson. She was as classy as they get. I miss her and her kind of posts. Yes, same here!  We always have assholes Angrie Woman and Ty to look up to, though.  Deb and Richard left because they realized early the futility of making this group enjoyable again.  If only they embraced the power of the "nest" would they have found true inner peace.

I have noticed that moderated groups dont have NEAR the level of jerks in it. Has anyone considered breaking off a mod group?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Curious. I’ve noticed an increasing amount of opinionated answers from ‘how to’ questions. In fact, in many cases if someone asks a question about how to do something, all he gets exclusively is opinions or snide remarks; everything BUT the answer to his question. Example. A guy recently asked how to incorporate sample songs in his listings for CDs he’s selling. Instead of getting an answer, all he got were warnings, opinions, stupid remarks and jokes. (on a side note, over 900 sellers are doing just what he is asking about.) This ‘ready to pounce’ posture is really making this group seem like a bunch of assholes. I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve done it too. But then I asked myself what possible gain am I getting out of it. A feeling of superiority? To WOW the group with my clever answer? To make myself feel better by playing quasi lawyer? To get a sense of helping someone by giving them my opinion, or doing it simply to shoot them down just for the sake of shooting them down? You all know how many years my ridiculous ass has been in this group. So let the jokes and opinion responses begin. Obviously it will be completely unoriginal, but like the scorpion…… That’s one thing I really liked about Deb Stevenson. She was as classy as they get. I miss her and her kind of posts.

FL, You are EXACTLY correct in your views and evaluation. I am guilty of commenting rather than helping. And for a first timer, its frustrating. I posted a question in the quickbooks NG last night and got 2 absolutely smartasss "answers" which werent answers in the least. I would challenge everyone to re-read flatch’s words and lets try a new approach for the next week and see what happens in this group. chaz

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Curious. I’ve noticed an increasing amount of opinionated answers from ‘how to’ questions. In fact, in many cases if someone asks a question about how to do something, all he gets exclusively is opinions or snide remarks; everything BUT the answer to his question. Example. A guy recently asked how to incorporate sample songs in his listings for CDs he’s selling. Instead of getting an answer, all he got were warnings, opinions, stupid remarks and jokes. (on a side note, over 900 sellers are doing just what he is asking about.) This ‘ready to pounce’ posture is really making this group seem like a bunch of assholes. I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve done it too. But then I asked myself what possible gain am I getting out of it. A feeling of superiority? To WOW the group with my clever answer? To make myself feel better by playing quasi lawyer? To get a sense of helping someone by giving them my opinion, or doing it simply to shoot them down just for the sake of shooting them down? You all know how many years my ridiculous ass has been in this group. So let the jokes and opinion responses begin. Obviously it will be completely unoriginal, but like the scorpion…… That’s one thing I really liked about Deb Stevenson. She was as classy as they get. I miss her and her kind of posts.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -JV wrote: > I know Ambien isn’t very effective at all. > MaryAnn remember you seem a bit more jacked up more than usual from the > amping the immune system. > None of those are calming drugs as in the action of a zanax or valium > type of drug.. they are helpful for tension on tx, > I also was wondering when do you do labs? Thyroid can really mess with > you on tx and looking back I went nutty and did a bunch of crying and > was feeling insane when I went hyper thyroid first and then hypo in the > end. I think new labs are in order. Take care Looking out for U. >                                                Juanita > <birdsp…@gmail.com> wrote: > [...] > My additional meds are ambien and amitryptoline at night and celexa in > the morning.

My test for thyroid problems came back fine. I can’t remember the other blood tests numbers . I believe most things are low, but not enough for bluecross to pay for additional meds. I am going to try to go to sleep tonite without the ambien. It was giving me blackouts and I’m wondering if it isn’t screwin with my awake time. Gordo made that suggestion and I’m gonna try. Today I called the doc to have him do more paperwork and got in an argument cause he didn’t want to do more paperwork…asswipe. But later I was talking with an insurance person who didn’t sound confident with me and I ended up getting into it with her too…..So leads me to believe some of this is my fault. Or ribavarin fault….It’s cold grey and windy here, I’m just gonna sit on the sofa and do some quilting. and chill. Thanks Juanita, Mary Ann

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Mary Ann and Michael, hi guys! Take it one day at a time MA, I know it’s a weird funky bali hai doing the treatment. Mikes suggestion about ADs is a good one, man I had the crying jags over the stupidest things till the double my dose of Zoloft. Hugs and miss chatting with you all. Russ "Michael Arends" <mlare…@NODAMNSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message

news:6Luke.1897$oT1.56@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Smiling Wickedly,  pajaritaflora answered: >> Hey everyone, >> I thought I would write an email to you all, after I had settled a bit >> of this fury in my head,..But I’m realizing that you help me settle the >> fury. For that I am eternally grateful. >> I feel like I had an intervention done on me today. I’m sitting here >> mostly in tears,interrupted by intermittent bouts of excitement. It’s >> making me confused (more)_. >> It looks like I am off work for the remainder of the treatment.I think >> the brain fog was the catalyst. I messed up a couple things lately. >> I’ve got to get things squared away with the doc. My managers >> encouraged me to take the medical leave of absence. (We had lots of >> conversation which I will try not to boar you with)When I called the >> proper HR person,She was waiting for my call (hence intervention). They >> are not allowed to tell me I need to take medical leave. Conversing >> with her I found that I will be able to finish out the treatment and be >> able to get paid most of my paycheck. Luckily I bought long term >> disability insurance a couple of years ago through them without a >> physical. >> Anyway I’m all f*ducked up. I sob alot. Yet I get anxiety that It may >> be a really good thing to not have to worry about working. >> In my head I see that this may be a really good thing, because I think >> with business down 20% that middle management will be an area cut out. >> The folks I talked to at work today told me that it would would be >> better for me to take the leave than risk my job by staying on and >> trying to work a job that was too much for me while on this treatment. >> They said they were all very concerned about me…hugs all around, >> blah, blah… >> But I’m afraid and I’m not really sure why. >> MYE > Hi MaryAnn Honey, > First of all, don’t cry, WE Love you. And you’ll be OK.   It sounds like > your work is concerned about you too.  Thats a good thing, MY work is > very understanding too. > SECOND, are you on any Anti-depressants?  If not, GET ON SOME SOON. > If you are, UP your dosage (with Dr.s permission of course) > It will help Immensely in coping with whats going on in your life. > Sobbing, Crying,  it’s all part of the TX ‘magic’.  Isn’t it wonderful? > If you want someone to converse with, even if it’s via Email, PLEASE > feel free to email me. > Take care, > — > *..

Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ctalbv$9n…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>> In article <ct7uc4$qo…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>>>> In article <ct6kb1$no…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA > says… >>>>>>> On the Thurs – this week, it’s going to show how those American > students >>> in >>>>>>> mathematics managed to win lots of money from various casinos. >>>>>>> I think it’s with Blackjack, using card counting and probabilities… >>>>>>> It would be a clever detailed system of some sort. >>>>>>> Harvey >>>>>>The system in question, if the same as they had here, is basednot so much >>>>>>on probability but on cunting that it is a fixed and tricked "game". >>>>>>Compuerized trickery if you will. Where someoen finally tried my idea in >>>>>>Montreal and won millions at the casino threre time in a row. The third >>>>>>time, in a same evenign I think it was, they closed the casino down and >>>>>>refused to pay him. >>>>>>The guys simply wrote a lil program to know what woudl be the winnign > thing >>>>>>the next time. Wonlt give the deatils here, bt it is very simple in fact. >>>>>>About 6 lines of programming at max:). >>>>>>Later, when it was decsribed how the guy did it, I finally knew for a > fact >>>>>>he used my method. >>>>>>The casino, to try and avoid being proven cheating, simpl said it was a >>>>>>defective chip in their puters that made it so that :random" numbers were >>>>>>not *really* random. It;s a complicated sequence, but I foudn how to > break >>>>>>it quite some years ago. In the 80s. I was thinkiing lottery then…. >>>>>>Still am, but well, I dunno hwo to program in the new languages they have >>>>>>today, and to try and ask someone to convert that woudl be like giving >>>>>>them the fortune. Would take a cool head, and not many have that. Even >>>>>>that twit blew it at the casino playing him self each time, the same >>>>>>evening too. Like DOH, he coudl have ted various casinos in various >>>>>>cities around the world, to avoid being spotted;-), and after making >>>>>>reasonably well, have someone else play, then another, getting all his >>>>>>friends and relatives rich and all that. But nooooo. He was too gredy and >>>>>>not cold headed enough at all…. >>>>>>Someone then offered him a job, paying him 100 thou a year. Bad choice, > If >>>>>>anyone understanding what this means can only act that stupidly with it, >>>>>>then I;d not hire them at all….They’d lack coolness, nerve, ponderation >>> and >>>>>>good ole common sense. Amd all in all would show just too greedy to > trust. >>>>>>Ooops. Disconection warning. Better post as is… >>>>> Basically if you have any kind of system that works… >>>>> as regards casino games – you’ve got your part time job / or secondary >>>>> income waiting for you. >>>>> It is the allure of the casino and other gambling games (eg. Lotto) to >>>>> make people think – oh, yes, try out any kind of system out on us, >>>>> we’re betting on people wanting to do just that… >>>>> But using any kind of formal ’system’ that does not rely upon ‘luck’ >>>>> or ‘chance’ – such as taking note of counting cards, is highly frowned > upon >>>>> by them. >>>>> The story would be – don’t get noticed by the casino or their staff, and >>>>> only win enough so that ‘they’ don’t notice too much. >>>>> Basically make a killing and don’t go back there, so soon… >>>>No, you don’t "get" it at all here, cause I won;t give more details, but >>>>this one is not at all cheating. It is exactly a method that would be >>>>considered like any other, and that had the casino in Montreal closed a >>>>few days, imagne that. Cause as much as the method is honest, it *proves >>>>the cheating done by the casino*. So the player is not cheating,the >>>>casino is, and the fact that they cheat is the constant that this >>>>establishes, so to speak. Agaion, I don’t weanna say more as I consider it >>>>a safe method. And it was tested, without playing the numbers it gave me, >>>>and it worked. It is not a superstitious methd, but a logical one. Where >>>>taken into consideration is the fact that the numbers are rigged. The giuy >>>>that did it used that method exactly, if he made it way more complicated >>>>for nothing, and again, won three times in a row, had won 8 millions that >>>>night, where when he won the last three of them, they closed the casino. >>>>An enquiry was made when the guy said how he did it, which went over >>>>everyone’s head for how it would always work:). The casino as I said then >>>>pretended that it must have been that their computer chips did not work. >>>>It has nothig to do with cards at all, with cheating or anything. It is to >>>>the contrary playing "against a cheater" and well, let me compare it to >>>>figuring out how the cheater "thinks", which has nothing to do with it >>>>either as there, some bluff. But it is entirely logical, leaves n room for >>>>any random nothing in it. It is clear, certain, etc. >>>>Let me try this way which will be saying too much already. If in a six >>>>numbers lottery, the numbers would be 2,4,6,8 for the forst four, you >>>>could know the next ones would be 8 and 10, if that lottery is rigged and >>>>the numbers spat by a puter program obeying to some sort of operation >>>>between the numbers. Any numbers rigged will have to have a sequence to > them. >>>>The numbers seem to be toodifferent to be sequential to our eyes and >>>>brain. But not to a puter. Where poeple go wrong is trying to get the >>>>"trick" of the sequence. Not me. I just seek the number, who cares about >>>>the rule of the sequence. Poeple want the winning number, not the hidden >>>>trick, in the end! Then why guess the trick? >>>>You can probably earn a tidy income if you had any kind of winning >>>>> system (of any kind – luck/chance/probability/pyschic or otherwise). >>>>> But if you do win a great deal of money at it, chances are, they’ll > spread >>>>> the news about you – so that you’ll be banned from all similar venues. >>>>Not immediately unless one is an idiot in fact. Not cool headed, and >>>>playing too close in time and space. Sure, after a while they would. But >>>>who needs to win all lotteries in the end? Jst one nice one is good >>>>enough, unless one excatly is stupid/greedy for nothing/addicted to >>>>winning up to managing to lose it all. >>>>:) >>>>hey most likely change the cheating sequence each x months. One can fall >>>>on that. But that is very lil risk for the investment and sure gain the >>>>next time. And I am not even sure they change the sequence until they >>>>woudl exactly suspect someone could have figured out, but not in the way I >>>>found, cause that will find it out the second they used the rigged way art >>>>least once or twice…One just has to keep track of the numbers that won >>>>before, and take it from there. >>>>Again, this is the method that someone else used, where it worked. They >>>>HAD to give him his last 3 millions in the end. Cause he did not cheat: >>>>the methd is useles *unless the casino DOES cheat* itself, where then one >>>>is sure to play honestly each time, and to in fact reveal that all they >>>>did was uncover the cheater: the casino itself. When that can be proven, >>>>and the method exactly is based on that and proves so then, Justice could >>>>only call cheater the casino. But they would not. They’d say one of their >>>>chips is defective, doh;-). >>>>Lotteries third prizes or so are won by maffia poeple for money laundering. >>>>Not the jackpot. The jackpot is used as a distraction. >>>>But prizes that are still high, yet "nothing" compared to the jackpot and >>>>not paid attention to and names not so publicized at all, belong to the >>>>maffia, anywhere there is a casino/lottery of any substantial amount for a >>>>prize. >>>>Since they can know what number to tell their biys to play, where to win 5 >>>>on 6 or five on sicx plus bonus and be known to be the winner of the next >>>>5 on 6, says they gotta know the numbers ahead of time. >>>>Someimes someoen happens to accidnetally play the right 6 on 6 and bonus. >>>>The odds here are of 14 millions to one. The jackpot is far from won each >>>>time. Makes more laundering money for  them… >>>>Little is it known that once, a man won three draws in a row. Another >>>>twit:). He was actually offered three millions as compensation for never >>>>playng again. That all made me think it then could only be rigged. Odds >>>>were so against that man winning again, we are talking the order of 14 >>>>millions times f 14 millions times fouteen millions times fourteen >>>>millions PLUS the usual odds against him, that for them to pay him to >>>>enever play again was itself not going with odds AT ALL. I then was sure >>>>it was rigged. >>>>The beauty of what I found is that it does not care about the method. >>>>Everyoen trying a superstitious way of finding a trick does try and find >>>>exactly the trick. But that is useless. One does not win by knowign the >>>>trick but knowing the winning numbers ahead of time. >>>>And that can be done as soon as the last draw numbers are out. >>>>Poeple for the few I said the way to, poeple I trusted woudl not go and do >>>>it, either because they blck at the ide of it being possible (usually that >>>>suffices:)), or because they just could not grasp it, never used it, for >>>>thinking "Nah…could not be rigged". Or "Could not work". >>>>And the rest donlt belive me cause I never played it myself. I foudn the >>>>next numbers ut without buying the ticket for it which of its own beats >>>>peope’s understanding, cause they would not be cool headed and are

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In article <ctalbv$9n…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >> In article <ct7uc4$qo…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>>> In article <ct6kb1$no…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>>>> On the Thurs – this week, it’s going to show how those American students >> in >>>>>> mathematics managed to win lots of money from various casinos. >>>>>> I think it’s with Blackjack, using card counting and probabilities… >>>>>> It would be a clever detailed system of some sort. >>>>>> Harvey >>>>>The system in question, if the same as they had here, is basednot so much >>>>>on probability but on cunting that it is a fixed and tricked "game". >>>>>Compuerized trickery if you will. Where someoen finally tried my idea in >>>>>Montreal and won millions at the casino threre time in a row. The third >>>>>time, in a same evenign I think it was, they closed the casino down and >>>>>refused to pay him. >>>>>The guys simply wrote a lil program to know what woudl be the winnign thing >>>>>the next time. Wonlt give the deatils here, bt it is very simple in fact. >>>>>About 6 lines of programming at max:). >>>>>Later, when it was decsribed how the guy did it, I finally knew for a fact >>>>>he used my method. >>>>>The casino, to try and avoid being proven cheating, simpl said it was a >>>>>defective chip in their puters that made it so that :random" numbers were >>>>>not *really* random. It;s a complicated sequence, but I foudn how to break >>>>>it quite some years ago. In the 80s. I was thinkiing lottery then…. >>>>>Still am, but well, I dunno hwo to program in the new languages they have >>>>>today, and to try and ask someone to convert that woudl be like giving >>>>>them the fortune. Would take a cool head, and not many have that. Even >>>>>that twit blew it at the casino playing him self each time, the same >>>>>evening too. Like DOH, he coudl have ted various casinos in various >>>>>cities around the world, to avoid being spotted;-), and after making >>>>>reasonably well, have someone else play, then another, getting all his >>>>>friends and relatives rich and all that. But nooooo. He was too gredy and >>>>>not cold headed enough at all…. >>>>>Someone then offered him a job, paying him 100 thou a year. Bad choice, If >>>>>anyone understanding what this means can only act that stupidly with it, >>>>>then I;d not hire them at all….They’d lack coolness, nerve, ponderation >> and >>>>>good ole common sense. Amd all in all would show just too greedy to trust. >>>>>Ooops. Disconection warning. Better post as is… >>>> Basically if you have any kind of system that works… >>>> as regards casino games – you’ve got your part time job / or secondary >>>> income waiting for you. >>>> It is the allure of the casino and other gambling games (eg. Lotto) to >>>> make people think – oh, yes, try out any kind of system out on us, >>>> we’re betting on people wanting to do just that… >>>> But using any kind of formal ’system’ that does not rely upon ‘luck’ >>>> or ‘chance’ – such as taking note of counting cards, is highly frowned upon >>>> by them. >>>> The story would be – don’t get noticed by the casino or their staff, and >>>> only win enough so that ‘they’ don’t notice too much. >>>> Basically make a killing and don’t go back there, so soon… >>>No, you don’t "get" it at all here, cause I won;t give more details, but >>>this one is not at all cheating. It is exactly a method that would be >>>considered like any other, and that had the casino in Montreal closed a >>>few days, imagne that. Cause as much as the method is honest, it *proves >>>the cheating done by the casino*. So the player is not cheating,the >>>casino is, and the fact that they cheat is the constant that this >>>establishes, so to speak. Agaion, I don’t weanna say more as I consider it >>>a safe method. And it was tested, without playing the numbers it gave me, >>>and it worked. It is not a superstitious methd, but a logical one. Where >>>taken into consideration is the fact that the numbers are rigged. The giuy >>>that did it used that method exactly, if he made it way more complicated >>>for nothing, and again, won three times in a row, had won 8 millions that >>>night, where when he won the last three of them, they closed the casino. >>>An enquiry was made when the guy said how he did it, which went over >>>everyone’s head for how it would always work:). The casino as I said then >>>pretended that it must have been that their computer chips did not work. >>>It has nothig to do with cards at all, with cheating or anything. It is to >>>the contrary playing "against a cheater" and well, let me compare it to >>>figuring out how the cheater "thinks", which has nothing to do with it >>>either as there, some bluff. But it is entirely logical, leaves n room for >>>any random nothing in it. It is clear, certain, etc. >>>Let me try this way which will be saying too much already. If in a six >>>numbers lottery, the numbers would be 2,4,6,8 for the forst four, you >>>could know the next ones would be 8 and 10, if that lottery is rigged and >>>the numbers spat by a puter program obeying to some sort of operation >>>between the numbers. Any numbers rigged will have to have a sequence to them. >>>The numbers seem to be toodifferent to be sequential to our eyes and >>>brain. But not to a puter. Where poeple go wrong is trying to get the >>>"trick" of the sequence. Not me. I just seek the number, who cares about >>>the rule of the sequence. Poeple want the winning number, not the hidden >>>trick, in the end! Then why guess the trick? >>>You can probably earn a tidy income if you had any kind of winning >>>> system (of any kind – luck/chance/probability/pyschic or otherwise). >>>> But if you do win a great deal of money at it, chances are, they’ll spread >>>> the news about you – so that you’ll be banned from all similar venues. >>>Not immediately unless one is an idiot in fact. Not cool headed, and >>>playing too close in time and space. Sure, after a while they would. But >>>who needs to win all lotteries in the end? Jst one nice one is good >>>enough, unless one excatly is stupid/greedy for nothing/addicted to >>>winning up to managing to lose it all. >>>:) >>>hey most likely change the cheating sequence each x months. One can fall >>>on that. But that is very lil risk for the investment and sure gain the >>>next time. And I am not even sure they change the sequence until they >>>woudl exactly suspect someone could have figured out, but not in the way I >>>found, cause that will find it out the second they used the rigged way art >>>least once or twice…One just has to keep track of the numbers that won >>>before, and take it from there. >>>Again, this is the method that someone else used, where it worked. They >>>HAD to give him his last 3 millions in the end. Cause he did not cheat: >>>the methd is useles *unless the casino DOES cheat* itself, where then one >>>is sure to play honestly each time, and to in fact reveal that all they >>>did was uncover the cheater: the casino itself. When that can be proven, >>>and the method exactly is based on that and proves so then, Justice could >>>only call cheater the casino. But they would not. They’d say one of their >>>chips is defective, doh;-). >>>Lotteries third prizes or so are won by maffia poeple for money laundering. >>>Not the jackpot. The jackpot is used as a distraction. >>>But prizes that are still high, yet "nothing" compared to the jackpot and >>>not paid attention to and names not so publicized at all, belong to the >>>maffia, anywhere there is a casino/lottery of any substantial amount for a >>>prize. >>>Since they can know what number to tell their biys to play, where to win 5 >>>on 6 or five on sicx plus bonus and be known to be the winner of the next >>>5 on 6, says they gotta know the numbers ahead of time. >>>Someimes someoen happens to accidnetally play the right 6 on 6 and bonus. >>>The odds here are of 14 millions to one. The jackpot is far from won each >>>time. Makes more laundering money for  them… >>>Little is it known that once, a man won three draws in a row. Another >>>twit:). He was actually offered three millions as compensation for never >>>playng again. That all made me think it then could only be rigged. Odds >>>were so against that man winning again, we are talking the order of 14 >>>millions times f 14 millions times fouteen millions times fourteen >>>millions PLUS the usual odds against him, that for them to pay him to >>>enever play again was itself not going with odds AT ALL. I then was sure >>>it was rigged. >>>The beauty of what I found is that it does not care about the method. >>>Everyoen trying a superstitious way of finding a trick does try and find >>>exactly the trick. But that is useless. One does not win by knowign the >>>trick but knowing the winning numbers ahead of time. >>>And that can be done as soon as the last draw numbers are out. >>>Poeple for the few I said the way to, poeple I trusted woudl not go and do >>>it, either because they blck at the ide of it being possible (usually that >>>suffices:)), or because they just could not grasp it, never used it, for >>>thinking "Nah…could not be rigged". Or "Could not work". >>>And the rest donlt belive me cause I never played it myself. I foudn the >>>next numbers ut without buying the ticket for it which of its own beats >>>peope’s understanding, cause they would not be cool headed and are not, >>>period:). And cause they can not grasp why oen that woudl be able to find >>>out the numbers would not play them. >>>I’m not the type that does things "just cause I can", I guess:) >>>But I tell ya, the method is 100%

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Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ct7uc4$qo…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>> In article <ct6kb1$no…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>>> On the Thurs – this week, it’s going to show how those American students > in >>>>> mathematics managed to win lots of money from various casinos. >>>>> I think it’s with Blackjack, using card counting and probabilities… >>>>> It would be a clever detailed system of some sort. >>>>> Harvey >>>>The system in question, if the same as they had here, is basednot so much >>>>on probability but on cunting that it is a fixed and tricked "game". >>>>Compuerized trickery if you will. Where someoen finally tried my idea in >>>>Montreal and won millions at the casino threre time in a row. The third >>>>time, in a same evenign I think it was, they closed the casino down and >>>>refused to pay him. >>>>The guys simply wrote a lil program to know what woudl be the winnign thing >>>>the next time. Wonlt give the deatils here, bt it is very simple in fact. >>>>About 6 lines of programming at max:). >>>>Later, when it was decsribed how the guy did it, I finally knew for a fact >>>>he used my method. >>>>The casino, to try and avoid being proven cheating, simpl said it was a >>>>defective chip in their puters that made it so that :random" numbers were >>>>not *really* random. It;s a complicated sequence, but I foudn how to break >>>>it quite some years ago. In the 80s. I was thinkiing lottery then…. >>>>Still am, but well, I dunno hwo to program in the new languages they have >>>>today, and to try and ask someone to convert that woudl be like giving >>>>them the fortune. Would take a cool head, and not many have that. Even >>>>that twit blew it at the casino playing him self each time, the same >>>>evening too. Like DOH, he coudl have ted various casinos in various >>>>cities around the world, to avoid being spotted;-), and after making >>>>reasonably well, have someone else play, then another, getting all his >>>>friends and relatives rich and all that. But nooooo. He was too gredy and >>>>not cold headed enough at all…. >>>>Someone then offered him a job, paying him 100 thou a year. Bad choice, If >>>>anyone understanding what this means can only act that stupidly with it, >>>>then I;d not hire them at all….They’d lack coolness, nerve, ponderation > and >>>>good ole common sense. Amd all in all would show just too greedy to trust. >>>>Ooops. Disconection warning. Better post as is… >>> Basically if you have any kind of system that works… >>> as regards casino games – you’ve got your part time job / or secondary >>> income waiting for you. >>> It is the allure of the casino and other gambling games (eg. Lotto) to >>> make people think – oh, yes, try out any kind of system out on us, >>> we’re betting on people wanting to do just that… >>> But using any kind of formal ’system’ that does not rely upon ‘luck’ >>> or ‘chance’ – such as taking note of counting cards, is highly frowned upon >>> by them. >>> The story would be – don’t get noticed by the casino or their staff, and >>> only win enough so that ‘they’ don’t notice too much. >>> Basically make a killing and don’t go back there, so soon… >>No, you don’t "get" it at all here, cause I won;t give more details, but >>this one is not at all cheating. It is exactly a method that would be >>considered like any other, and that had the casino in Montreal closed a >>few days, imagne that. Cause as much as the method is honest, it *proves >>the cheating done by the casino*. So the player is not cheating,the >>casino is, and the fact that they cheat is the constant that this >>establishes, so to speak. Agaion, I don’t weanna say more as I consider it >>a safe method. And it was tested, without playing the numbers it gave me, >>and it worked. It is not a superstitious methd, but a logical one. Where >>taken into consideration is the fact that the numbers are rigged. The giuy >>that did it used that method exactly, if he made it way more complicated >>for nothing, and again, won three times in a row, had won 8 millions that >>night, where when he won the last three of them, they closed the casino. >>An enquiry was made when the guy said how he did it, which went over >>everyone’s head for how it would always work:). The casino as I said then >>pretended that it must have been that their computer chips did not work. >>It has nothig to do with cards at all, with cheating or anything. It is to >>the contrary playing "against a cheater" and well, let me compare it to >>figuring out how the cheater "thinks", which has nothing to do with it >>either as there, some bluff. But it is entirely logical, leaves n room for >>any random nothing in it. It is clear, certain, etc. >>Let me try this way which will be saying too much already. If in a six >>numbers lottery, the numbers would be 2,4,6,8 for the forst four, you >>could know the next ones would be 8 and 10, if that lottery is rigged and >>the numbers spat by a puter program obeying to some sort of operation >>between the numbers. Any numbers rigged will have to have a sequence to them. >>The numbers seem to be toodifferent to be sequential to our eyes and >>brain. But not to a puter. Where poeple go wrong is trying to get the >>"trick" of the sequence. Not me. I just seek the number, who cares about >>the rule of the sequence. Poeple want the winning number, not the hidden >>trick, in the end! Then why guess the trick? >>You can probably earn a tidy income if you had any kind of winning >>> system (of any kind – luck/chance/probability/pyschic or otherwise). >>> But if you do win a great deal of money at it, chances are, they’ll spread >>> the news about you – so that you’ll be banned from all similar venues. >>Not immediately unless one is an idiot in fact. Not cool headed, and >>playing too close in time and space. Sure, after a while they would. But >>who needs to win all lotteries in the end? Jst one nice one is good >>enough, unless one excatly is stupid/greedy for nothing/addicted to >>winning up to managing to lose it all. >>:) >>hey most likely change the cheating sequence each x months. One can fall >>on that. But that is very lil risk for the investment and sure gain the >>next time. And I am not even sure they change the sequence until they >>woudl exactly suspect someone could have figured out, but not in the way I >>found, cause that will find it out the second they used the rigged way art >>least once or twice…One just has to keep track of the numbers that won >>before, and take it from there. >>Again, this is the method that someone else used, where it worked. They >>HAD to give him his last 3 millions in the end. Cause he did not cheat: >>the methd is useles *unless the casino DOES cheat* itself, where then one >>is sure to play honestly each time, and to in fact reveal that all they >>did was uncover the cheater: the casino itself. When that can be proven, >>and the method exactly is based on that and proves so then, Justice could >>only call cheater the casino. But they would not. They’d say one of their >>chips is defective, doh;-). >>Lotteries third prizes or so are won by maffia poeple for money laundering. >>Not the jackpot. The jackpot is used as a distraction. >>But prizes that are still high, yet "nothing" compared to the jackpot and >>not paid attention to and names not so publicized at all, belong to the >>maffia, anywhere there is a casino/lottery of any substantial amount for a >>prize. >>Since they can know what number to tell their biys to play, where to win 5 >>on 6 or five on sicx plus bonus and be known to be the winner of the next >>5 on 6, says they gotta know the numbers ahead of time. >>Someimes someoen happens to accidnetally play the right 6 on 6 and bonus. >>The odds here are of 14 millions to one. The jackpot is far from won each >>time. Makes more laundering money for  them… >>Little is it known that once, a man won three draws in a row. Another >>twit:). He was actually offered three millions as compensation for never >>playng again. That all made me think it then could only be rigged. Odds >>were so against that man winning again, we are talking the order of 14 >>millions times f 14 millions times fouteen millions times fourteen >>millions PLUS the usual odds against him, that for them to pay him to >>enever play again was itself not going with odds AT ALL. I then was sure >>it was rigged. >>The beauty of what I found is that it does not care about the method. >>Everyoen trying a superstitious way of finding a trick does try and find >>exactly the trick. But that is useless. One does not win by knowign the >>trick but knowing the winning numbers ahead of time. >>And that can be done as soon as the last draw numbers are out. >>Poeple for the few I said the way to, poeple I trusted woudl not go and do >>it, either because they blck at the ide of it being possible (usually that >>suffices:)), or because they just could not grasp it, never used it, for >>thinking "Nah…could not be rigged". Or "Could not work". >>And the rest donlt belive me cause I never played it myself. I foudn the >>next numbers ut without buying the ticket for it which of its own beats >>peope’s understanding, cause they would not be cool headed and are not, >>period:). And cause they can not grasp why oen that woudl be able to find >>out the numbers would not play them. >>I’m not the type that does things "just cause I can", I guess:) >>But I tell ya, the method is 100% sure, so long as a lottery or supposed >>random winning combination is in fact rigged. >>> There was a small time movie about someone counting cards/etc, I think it >>> was made in the 80s’? I remember seeing it on the TV, even though I

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In article <ct7uc4$qo…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >> In article <ct6kb1$no…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>> On the Thurs – this week, it’s going to show how those American students in >>>> mathematics managed to win lots of money from various casinos. >>>> I think it’s with Blackjack, using card counting and probabilities… >>>> It would be a clever detailed system of some sort. >>>> Harvey >>>The system in question, if the same as they had here, is basednot so much >>>on probability but on cunting that it is a fixed and tricked "game". >>>Compuerized trickery if you will. Where someoen finally tried my idea in >>>Montreal and won millions at the casino threre time in a row. The third >>>time, in a same evenign I think it was, they closed the casino down and >>>refused to pay him. >>>The guys simply wrote a lil program to know what woudl be the winnign thing >>>the next time. Wonlt give the deatils here, bt it is very simple in fact. >>>About 6 lines of programming at max:). >>>Later, when it was decsribed how the guy did it, I finally knew for a fact >>>he used my method. >>>The casino, to try and avoid being proven cheating, simpl said it was a >>>defective chip in their puters that made it so that :random" numbers were >>>not *really* random. It;s a complicated sequence, but I foudn how to break >>>it quite some years ago. In the 80s. I was thinkiing lottery then…. >>>Still am, but well, I dunno hwo to program in the new languages they have >>>today, and to try and ask someone to convert that woudl be like giving >>>them the fortune. Would take a cool head, and not many have that. Even >>>that twit blew it at the casino playing him self each time, the same >>>evening too. Like DOH, he coudl have ted various casinos in various >>>cities around the world, to avoid being spotted;-), and after making >>>reasonably well, have someone else play, then another, getting all his >>>friends and relatives rich and all that. But nooooo. He was too gredy and >>>not cold headed enough at all…. >>>Someone then offered him a job, paying him 100 thou a year. Bad choice, If >>>anyone understanding what this means can only act that stupidly with it, >>>then I;d not hire them at all….They’d lack coolness, nerve, ponderation and >>>good ole common sense. Amd all in all would show just too greedy to trust. >>>Ooops. Disconection warning. Better post as is… >> Basically if you have any kind of system that works… >> as regards casino games – you’ve got your part time job / or secondary >> income waiting for you. >> It is the allure of the casino and other gambling games (eg. Lotto) to >> make people think – oh, yes, try out any kind of system out on us, >> we’re betting on people wanting to do just that… >> But using any kind of formal ’system’ that does not rely upon ‘luck’ >> or ‘chance’ – such as taking note of counting cards, is highly frowned upon >> by them. >> The story would be – don’t get noticed by the casino or their staff, and >> only win enough so that ‘they’ don’t notice too much. >> Basically make a killing and don’t go back there, so soon… >No, you don’t "get" it at all here, cause I won;t give more details, but >this one is not at all cheating. It is exactly a method that would be >considered like any other, and that had the casino in Montreal closed a >few days, imagne that. Cause as much as the method is honest, it *proves >the cheating done by the casino*. So the player is not cheating,the >casino is, and the fact that they cheat is the constant that this >establishes, so to speak. Agaion, I don’t weanna say more as I consider it >a safe method. And it was tested, without playing the numbers it gave me, >and it worked. It is not a superstitious methd, but a logical one. Where >taken into consideration is the fact that the numbers are rigged. The giuy >that did it used that method exactly, if he made it way more complicated >for nothing, and again, won three times in a row, had won 8 millions that >night, where when he won the last three of them, they closed the casino. >An enquiry was made when the guy said how he did it, which went over >everyone’s head for how it would always work:). The casino as I said then >pretended that it must have been that their computer chips did not work. >It has nothig to do with cards at all, with cheating or anything. It is to >the contrary playing "against a cheater" and well, let me compare it to >figuring out how the cheater "thinks", which has nothing to do with it >either as there, some bluff. But it is entirely logical, leaves n room for >any random nothing in it. It is clear, certain, etc. >Let me try this way which will be saying too much already. If in a six >numbers lottery, the numbers would be 2,4,6,8 for the forst four, you >could know the next ones would be 8 and 10, if that lottery is rigged and >the numbers spat by a puter program obeying to some sort of operation >between the numbers. Any numbers rigged will have to have a sequence to them. >The numbers seem to be toodifferent to be sequential to our eyes and >brain. But not to a puter. Where poeple go wrong is trying to get the >"trick" of the sequence. Not me. I just seek the number, who cares about >the rule of the sequence. Poeple want the winning number, not the hidden >trick, in the end! Then why guess the trick? >You can probably earn a tidy income if you had any kind of winning >> system (of any kind – luck/chance/probability/pyschic or otherwise). >> But if you do win a great deal of money at it, chances are, they’ll spread >> the news about you – so that you’ll be banned from all similar venues. >Not immediately unless one is an idiot in fact. Not cool headed, and >playing too close in time and space. Sure, after a while they would. But >who needs to win all lotteries in the end? Jst one nice one is good >enough, unless one excatly is stupid/greedy for nothing/addicted to >winning up to managing to lose it all. >:) >hey most likely change the cheating sequence each x months. One can fall >on that. But that is very lil risk for the investment and sure gain the >next time. And I am not even sure they change the sequence until they >woudl exactly suspect someone could have figured out, but not in the way I >found, cause that will find it out the second they used the rigged way art >least once or twice…One just has to keep track of the numbers that won >before, and take it from there. >Again, this is the method that someone else used, where it worked. They >HAD to give him his last 3 millions in the end. Cause he did not cheat: >the methd is useles *unless the casino DOES cheat* itself, where then one >is sure to play honestly each time, and to in fact reveal that all they >did was uncover the cheater: the casino itself. When that can be proven, >and the method exactly is based on that and proves so then, Justice could >only call cheater the casino. But they would not. They’d say one of their >chips is defective, doh;-). >Lotteries third prizes or so are won by maffia poeple for money laundering. >Not the jackpot. The jackpot is used as a distraction. >But prizes that are still high, yet "nothing" compared to the jackpot and >not paid attention to and names not so publicized at all, belong to the >maffia, anywhere there is a casino/lottery of any substantial amount for a >prize. >Since they can know what number to tell their biys to play, where to win 5 >on 6 or five on sicx plus bonus and be known to be the winner of the next >5 on 6, says they gotta know the numbers ahead of time. >Someimes someoen happens to accidnetally play the right 6 on 6 and bonus. >The odds here are of 14 millions to one. The jackpot is far from won each >time. Makes more laundering money for  them… >Little is it known that once, a man won three draws in a row. Another >twit:). He was actually offered three millions as compensation for never >playng again. That all made me think it then could only be rigged. Odds >were so against that man winning again, we are talking the order of 14 >millions times f 14 millions times fouteen millions times fourteen >millions PLUS the usual odds against him, that for them to pay him to >enever play again was itself not going with odds AT ALL. I then was sure >it was rigged. >The beauty of what I found is that it does not care about the method. >Everyoen trying a superstitious way of finding a trick does try and find >exactly the trick. But that is useless. One does not win by knowign the >trick but knowing the winning numbers ahead of time. >And that can be done as soon as the last draw numbers are out. >Poeple for the few I said the way to, poeple I trusted woudl not go and do >it, either because they blck at the ide of it being possible (usually that >suffices:)), or because they just could not grasp it, never used it, for >thinking "Nah…could not be rigged". Or "Could not work". >And the rest donlt belive me cause I never played it myself. I foudn the >next numbers ut without buying the ticket for it which of its own beats >peope’s understanding, cause they would not be cool headed and are not, >period:). And cause they can not grasp why oen that woudl be able to find >out the numbers would not play them. >I’m not the type that does things "just cause I can", I guess:) >But I tell ya, the method is 100% sure, so long as a lottery or supposed >random winning combination is in fact rigged. >> There was a small time movie about someone counting cards/etc, I think it >> was made in the 80s’? I remember seeing it on the TV, even though I wasn’t >> really watching anything at that time. It kinda struck me as how educational >> this movie was… >> I don’t have the memory to enable me to count cards, and I’m not a >> mathematical genuis to be able to use

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Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ct6kb1$no…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>> On the Thurs – this week, it’s going to show how those American students in >>> mathematics managed to win lots of money from various casinos. >>> I think it’s with Blackjack, using card counting and probabilities… >>> It would be a clever detailed system of some sort. >>> Harvey >>The system in question, if the same as they had here, is basednot so much >>on probability but on cunting that it is a fixed and tricked "game". >>Compuerized trickery if you will. Where someoen finally tried my idea in >>Montreal and won millions at the casino threre time in a row. The third >>time, in a same evenign I think it was, they closed the casino down and >>refused to pay him. >>The guys simply wrote a lil program to know what woudl be the winnign thing >>the next time. Wonlt give the deatils here, bt it is very simple in fact. >>About 6 lines of programming at max:). >>Later, when it was decsribed how the guy did it, I finally knew for a fact >>he used my method. >>The casino, to try and avoid being proven cheating, simpl said it was a >>defective chip in their puters that made it so that :random" numbers were >>not *really* random. It;s a complicated sequence, but I foudn how to break >>it quite some years ago. In the 80s. I was thinkiing lottery then…. >>Still am, but well, I dunno hwo to program in the new languages they have >>today, and to try and ask someone to convert that woudl be like giving >>them the fortune. Would take a cool head, and not many have that. Even >>that twit blew it at the casino playing him self each time, the same >>evening too. Like DOH, he coudl have ted various casinos in various >>cities around the world, to avoid being spotted;-), and after making >>reasonably well, have someone else play, then another, getting all his >>friends and relatives rich and all that. But nooooo. He was too gredy and >>not cold headed enough at all…. >>Someone then offered him a job, paying him 100 thou a year. Bad choice, If >>anyone understanding what this means can only act that stupidly with it, >>then I;d not hire them at all….They’d lack coolness, nerve, ponderation and >>good ole common sense. Amd all in all would show just too greedy to trust. >>Ooops. Disconection warning. Better post as is… > Basically if you have any kind of system that works… > as regards casino games – you’ve got your part time job / or secondary > income waiting for you. > It is the allure of the casino and other gambling games (eg. Lotto) to > make people think – oh, yes, try out any kind of system out on us, > we’re betting on people wanting to do just that… > But using any kind of formal ’system’ that does not rely upon ‘luck’ > or ‘chance’ – such as taking note of counting cards, is highly frowned upon > by them. > The story would be – don’t get noticed by the casino or their staff, and > only win enough so that ‘they’ don’t notice too much. > Basically make a killing and don’t go back there, so soon…

No, you don’t "get" it at all here, cause I won;t give more details, but this one is not at all cheating. It is exactly a method that would be considered like any other, and that had the casino in Montreal closed a few days, imagne that. Cause as much as the method is honest, it *proves the cheating done by the casino*. So the player is not cheating,the casino is, and the fact that they cheat is the constant that this establishes, so to speak. Agaion, I don’t weanna say more as I consider it a safe method. And it was tested, without playing the numbers it gave me, and it worked. It is not a superstitious methd, but a logical one. Where taken into consideration is the fact that the numbers are rigged. The giuy that did it used that method exactly, if he made it way more complicated for nothing, and again, won three times in a row, had won 8 millions that night, where when he won the last three of them, they closed the casino. An enquiry was made when the guy said how he did it, which went over everyone’s head for how it would always work:). The casino as I said then pretended that it must have been that their computer chips did not work. It has nothig to do with cards at all, with cheating or anything. It is to the contrary playing "against a cheater" and well, let me compare it to figuring out how the cheater "thinks", which has nothing to do with it either as there, some bluff. But it is entirely logical, leaves n room for any random nothing in it. It is clear, certain, etc. Let me try this way which will be saying too much already. If in a six numbers lottery, the numbers would be 2,4,6,8 for the forst four, you could know the next ones would be 8 and 10, if that lottery is rigged and the numbers spat by a puter program obeying to some sort of operation between the numbers. Any numbers rigged will have to have a sequence to them. The numbers seem to be toodifferent to be sequential to our eyes and brain. But not to a puter. Where poeple go wrong is trying to get the "trick" of the sequence. Not me. I just seek the number, who cares about the rule of the sequence. Poeple want the winning number, not the hidden trick, in the end! Then why guess the trick?  >  > You can probably earn a tidy income if you had any kind of winning > system (of any kind – luck/chance/probability/pyschic or otherwise). > But if you do win a great deal of money at it, chances are, they’ll spread > the news about you – so that you’ll be banned from all similar venues.

Not immediately unless one is an idiot in fact. Not cool headed, and playing too close in time and space. Sure, after a while they would. But who needs to win all lotteries in the end? Jst one nice one is good enough, unless one excatly is stupid/greedy for nothing/addicted to winning up to managing to lose it all. hey most likely change the cheating sequence each x months. One can fall on that. But that is very lil risk for the investment and sure gain the next time. And I am not even sure they change the sequence until they woudl exactly suspect someone could have figured out, but not in the way I found, cause that will find it out the second they used the rigged way art least once or twice…One just has to keep track of the numbers that won before, and take it from there. Again, this is the method that someone else used, where it worked. They HAD to give him his last 3 millions in the end. Cause he did not cheat: the methd is useles *unless the casino DOES cheat* itself, where then one is sure to play honestly each time, and to in fact reveal that all they did was uncover the cheater: the casino itself. When that can be proven, and the method exactly is based on that and proves so then, Justice could only call cheater the casino. But they would not. They’d say one of their chips is defective, doh;-). Lotteries third prizes or so are won by maffia poeple for money laundering. Not the jackpot. The jackpot is used as a distraction. But prizes that are still high, yet "nothing" compared to the jackpot and not paid attention to and names not so publicized at all, belong to the maffia, anywhere there is a casino/lottery of any substantial amount for a prize. Since they can know what number to tell their biys to play, where to win 5 on 6 or five on sicx plus bonus and be known to be the winner of the next 5 on 6, says they gotta know the numbers ahead of time. Someimes someoen happens to accidnetally play the right 6 on 6 and bonus. The odds here are of 14 millions to one. The jackpot is far from won each time. Makes more laundering money for  them… Little is it known that once, a man won three draws in a row. Another twit:). He was actually offered three millions as compensation for never playng again. That all made me think it then could only be rigged. Odds were so against that man winning again, we are talking the order of 14 millions times f 14 millions times fouteen millions times fourteen millions PLUS the usual odds against him, that for them to pay him to enever play again was itself not going with odds AT ALL. I then was sure it was rigged. The beauty of what I found is that it does not care about the method. Everyoen trying a superstitious way of finding a trick does try and find exactly the trick. But that is useless. One does not win by knowign the trick but knowing the winning numbers ahead of time. And that can be done as soon as the last draw numbers are out. Poeple for the few I said the way to, poeple I trusted woudl not go and do it, either because they blck at the ide of it being possible (usually that suffices:)), or because they just could not grasp it, never used it, for thinking "Nah…could not be rigged". Or "Could not work". And the rest donlt belive me cause I never played it myself. I foudn the next numbers ut without buying the ticket for it which of its own beats peope’s understanding, cause they would not be cool headed and are not, period:). And cause they can not grasp why oen that woudl be able to find out the numbers would not play them. I’m not the type that does things "just cause I can", I guess:) But I tell ya, the method is 100% sure, so long as a lottery or supposed random winning combination is in fact rigged.  > – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There was a small time movie about someone counting cards/etc, I think it > was made in the 80s’? I remember seeing it on the TV, even though I wasn’t > really watching anything at that time. It kinda struck me as how educational > this movie was… > I don’t have the memory to enable me to count cards, and I’m not a > mathematical genuis to be able to use probability, nor am I psychic to be > able to act on the correct ‘hunch’ to win at any game – and I don’t have the > luck to win anyway. > But if I had a system that did work – I would use it, set up some independent > steady allowance system so that I can do whatever I

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In article <ct6kb1$no…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> On the Thurs – this week, it’s going to show how those American students in >> mathematics managed to win lots of money from various casinos. >> I think it’s with Blackjack, using card counting and probabilities… >> It would be a clever detailed system of some sort. >> Harvey >The system in question, if the same as they had here, is basednot so much >on probability but on cunting that it is a fixed and tricked "game". >Compuerized trickery if you will. Where someoen finally tried my idea in >Montreal and won millions at the casino threre time in a row. The third >time, in a same evenign I think it was, they closed the casino down and >refused to pay him. >The guys simply wrote a lil program to know what woudl be the winnign thing >the next time. Wonlt give the deatils here, bt it is very simple in fact. >About 6 lines of programming at max:). >Later, when it was decsribed how the guy did it, I finally knew for a fact >he used my method. >The casino, to try and avoid being proven cheating, simpl said it was a >defective chip in their puters that made it so that :random" numbers were >not *really* random. It;s a complicated sequence, but I foudn how to break >it quite some years ago. In the 80s. I was thinkiing lottery then…. >Still am, but well, I dunno hwo to program in the new languages they have >today, and to try and ask someone to convert that woudl be like giving >them the fortune. Would take a cool head, and not many have that. Even >that twit blew it at the casino playing him self each time, the same >evening too. Like DOH, he coudl have ted various casinos in various >cities around the world, to avoid being spotted;-), and after making >reasonably well, have someone else play, then another, getting all his >friends and relatives rich and all that. But nooooo. He was too gredy and >not cold headed enough at all…. >Someone then offered him a job, paying him 100 thou a year. Bad choice, If >anyone understanding what this means can only act that stupidly with it, >then I;d not hire them at all….They’d lack coolness, nerve, ponderation and >good ole common sense. Amd all in all would show just too greedy to trust. >Ooops. Disconection warning. Better post as is…

Basically if you have any kind of system that works… as regards casino games – you’ve got your part time job / or secondary income waiting for you. It is the allure of the casino and other gambling games (eg. Lotto) to make people think – oh, yes, try out any kind of system out on us, we’re betting on people wanting to do just that… But using any kind of formal ’system’ that does not rely upon ‘luck’ or ‘chance’ – such as taking note of counting cards, is highly frowned upon by them. The story would be – don’t get noticed by the casino or their staff, and only win enough so that ‘they’ don’t notice too much. Basically make a killing and don’t go back there, so soon… You can probably earn a tidy income if you had any kind of winning system (of any kind – luck/chance/probability/pyschic or otherwise). But if you do win a great deal of money at it, chances are, they’ll spread the news about you – so that you’ll be banned from all similar venues. There was a small time movie about someone counting cards/etc, I think it was made in the 80s’? I remember seeing it on the TV, even though I wasn’t really watching anything at that time. It kinda struck me as how educational this movie was… I don’t have the memory to enable me to count cards, and I’m not a mathematical genuis to be able to use probability, nor am I psychic to be able to act on the correct ‘hunch’ to win at any game – and I don’t have the luck to win anyway. But if I had a system that did work – I would use it, set up some independent steady allowance system so that I can do whatever I like with my time, etc. And would try to pursue various things, I feel that needs to be done at this time – eg. raise peoples’ consciousness so that this world can be a more peaceful and quiet place to live in…. etc… Harvey

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Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ct59qr$lv…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>> And I worry about the drains around the house. There’s two not working. >>> One caters for down the roof, that goes into the front garden. A drainpipe >>> is blocked with stones, the pavement probably collapsed, blocking it, when >>> the pavement was redone years ago. Around the other side, probably the >>> same thing happened there too? I have to stick a hose in, and see if water >>> will clear it? Maybe it will? The blockage is in the footpath area, I can’t >>> get the local council to own up to repairing it. If it’s on the footpath – >>> it’s really ‘their’ fault when they did the paving work outside the > property. >>> If it was on this house’s property, I can see it’s clearly it’s the >>> owner’s responsibility. I just don’t have the money to get a drainlayer to >>> lay down two drain pipes into the footpath area. Hey, isn’t that the >>> ‘council’s’ area ot business to fix? Probably not, knowing how councils >>> usually deny their responsibility. I pay them so much each year for roading >>> work/maintenance anyway. At least I think I do – have to look at the rates >>> account details….. >>> Harvey >>I have a similar thing with a house main drain here. >>The drain blocks easily, and floods the basement. I then have to be very >>attentive to it, from floor washing water to bth water, i.e. to be sure >>nothing is blocked in the main drain so that no water messes happen in the >>basement. >>I am a tenant, not owner. The owner or landlord is supposed to be the one >>calling the city to ficx their part of the drsain, since the landlord >>claims it is not his part that blocks. Only, of course he does >>not….Because the bylaw has it that if the city comes over and finds that >>it is the landlord’s part, they chrage him and fine him on top for the >>trouble. So the landlord keeps pretending it is not his part, and does not >>call them, most propably knowing it indeed is his part of the drain that >>needs repairs. >>I tried calling the city myself, but they say that they can not take calls >>from tenants on those complaints. Has to be the landlord. I explained that >>the landlord was not calling since years, and would not call, as it >>ptobably was his side not working, which left me trapped with the bad >>drain and floods, insisting on how landlords could take advantage of that >>rule and actually seem to be doing. They were supposed to enquire about >>that and call me back. They never did. I left a few messages, reaching no >>one there after that point, and none were returned either. >>I can only think that the City finds advantageous to let landlords take >>advantage of the nonsensical bylaw, where they end up with no calls, >>landlords fearing it would be their part after all, and t pay high costs >>if the City ended up doing it. >>Just a ridiculous bureaucratic thing. >>But a basement I can nt unpack nor use. >>Perhaps if you let the gutters drain in the walk path, if that one is the >>city’s, they then would get to do something…?(??) >>C >>– > I was at this person’s flat – and I noticed that the cold water tap > was left running, full on, water was simply rushing out and going down the > drain. I said to the guy living there – hey! You ought to get that fixed! > I know he has problems with his landlord – that the place is very much > run down, even so, he should get the tap turned off somehow, and not let > it go on wasting incredible amounts of water. > It’s probably been weeks or months? With it like that… and probably > weeks or months before he got something done about it? > Of course, if he bothered to ring the city council water department, someone > would come around and turn it off – somehow. > All it would take, would be something to block the drain, and that flat > would be terribly flooded, and the whole situation made even worse. > To me, the whole situation was utterly stupid. Where was his sense? Gone? > I’m not too worried about the blocked drains of the house – mainly because > there is a slight downward slope such that the water goes away from the house, > when it rains/pours. If it was sloping the wrong way, such that water was > getting to the foundations/underside of the house – I would definitely get > onto it. Though I don’t have the money to pay for work to be done for it. > There’s always maintenance to be done on some part of the house. > Next week there is a television program about the tsunami, in which it shows > what did happen .. as regards how it all began and developed… etc… > On the Thurs – this week, it’s going to show how those American students in > mathematics managed to win lots of money from various casinos. > I think it’s with Blackjack, using card counting and probabilities… > It would be a clever detailed system of some sort. > Harvey

The system in question, if the same as they had here, is basednot so much on probability but on cunting that it is a fixed and tricked "game". Compuerized trickery if you will. Where someoen finally tried my idea in Montreal and won millions at the casino threre time in a row. The third time, in a same evenign I think it was, they closed the casino down and refused to pay him. The guys simply wrote a lil program to know what woudl be the winnign thing the next time. Wonlt give the deatils here, bt it is very simple in fact. About 6 lines of programming at max:). Later, when it was decsribed how the guy did it, I finally knew for a fact he used my method. The casino, to try and avoid being proven cheating, simpl said it was a defective chip in their puters that made it so that :random" numbers were not *really* random. It;s a complicated sequence, but I foudn how to break it quite some years ago. In the 80s. I was thinkiing lottery then…. Still am, but well, I dunno hwo to program in the new languages they have today, and to try and ask someone to convert that woudl be like giving them the fortune. Would take a cool head, and not many have that. Even that twit blew it at the casino playing him self each time, the same evening too. Like DOH, he coudl have ted various casinos in various cities around the world, to avoid being spotted;-), and after making reasonably well, have someone else play, then another, getting all his friends and relatives rich and all that. But nooooo. He was too gredy and not cold headed enough at all…. Someone then offered him a job, paying him 100 thou a year. Bad choice, If anyone understanding what this means can only act that stupidly with it, then I;d not hire them at all….They’d lack coolness, nerve, ponderation and good ole common sense. Amd all in all would show just too greedy to trust. Ooops. Disconection warning. Better post as is…  >  >  > —

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In article <ct59qr$lv…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> And I worry about the drains around the house. There’s two not working. >> One caters for down the roof, that goes into the front garden. A drainpipe >> is blocked with stones, the pavement probably collapsed, blocking it, when >> the pavement was redone years ago. Around the other side, probably the >> same thing happened there too? I have to stick a hose in, and see if water >> will clear it? Maybe it will? The blockage is in the footpath area, I can’t >> get the local council to own up to repairing it. If it’s on the footpath – >> it’s really ‘their’ fault when they did the paving work outside the property. >> If it was on this house’s property, I can see it’s clearly it’s the >> owner’s responsibility. I just don’t have the money to get a drainlayer to >> lay down two drain pipes into the footpath area. Hey, isn’t that the >> ‘council’s’ area ot business to fix? Probably not, knowing how councils >> usually deny their responsibility. I pay them so much each year for roading >> work/maintenance anyway. At least I think I do – have to look at the rates >> account details….. >> Harvey >I have a similar thing with a house main drain here. >The drain blocks easily, and floods the basement. I then have to be very >attentive to it, from floor washing water to bth water, i.e. to be sure >nothing is blocked in the main drain so that no water messes happen in the >basement. >I am a tenant, not owner. The owner or landlord is supposed to be the one >calling the city to ficx their part of the drsain, since the landlord >claims it is not his part that blocks. Only, of course he does >not….Because the bylaw has it that if the city comes over and finds that >it is the landlord’s part, they chrage him and fine him on top for the >trouble. So the landlord keeps pretending it is not his part, and does not >call them, most propably knowing it indeed is his part of the drain that >needs repairs. >I tried calling the city myself, but they say that they can not take calls >from tenants on those complaints. Has to be the landlord. I explained that >the landlord was not calling since years, and would not call, as it >ptobably was his side not working, which left me trapped with the bad >drain and floods, insisting on how landlords could take advantage of that >rule and actually seem to be doing. They were supposed to enquire about >that and call me back. They never did. I left a few messages, reaching no >one there after that point, and none were returned either. >I can only think that the City finds advantageous to let landlords take >advantage of the nonsensical bylaw, where they end up with no calls, >landlords fearing it would be their part after all, and t pay high costs >if the City ended up doing it. >Just a ridiculous bureaucratic thing. >But a basement I can nt unpack nor use. >Perhaps if you let the gutters drain in the walk path, if that one is the >city’s, they then would get to do something…?(??) >C >–

I was at this person’s flat – and I noticed that the cold water tap was left running, full on, water was simply rushing out and going down the drain. I said to the guy living there – hey! You ought to get that fixed! I know he has problems with his landlord – that the place is very much run down, even so, he should get the tap turned off somehow, and not let it go on wasting incredible amounts of water. It’s probably been weeks or months? With it like that… and probably weeks or months before he got something done about it? Of course, if he bothered to ring the city council water department, someone would come around and turn it off – somehow. All it would take, would be something to block the drain, and that flat would be terribly flooded, and the whole situation made even worse. To me, the whole situation was utterly stupid. Where was his sense? Gone? I’m not too worried about the blocked drains of the house – mainly because there is a slight downward slope such that the water goes away from the house, when it rains/pours. If it was sloping the wrong way, such that water was getting to the foundations/underside of the house – I would definitely get onto it. Though I don’t have the money to pay for work to be done for it. There’s always maintenance to be done on some part of the house. Next week there is a television program about the tsunami, in which it shows what did happen .. as regards how it all began and developed… etc… On the Thurs – this week, it’s going to show how those American students in mathematics managed to win lots of money from various casinos. I think it’s with Blackjack, using card counting and probabilities… It would be a clever detailed system of some sort. Harvey

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Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ct4b61$17…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>> In article <ct2nqk$n9…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>>>> Meier is the prophet of this time, and being closer to the events than >>>>> Cayce/Nostradamus – me thinks his source is more reliable? >>>>> Anyway – what to watch out for – is for any eruption or activity from >>>>> Mt.Vesuvius – this will herald the unthinkable — starting of WWWIII. >>>>> It will be manmade ‘firestorms’ – which are highly secret at the moment, >>>>> which will cause a chain reaction in the atmosphere. >>>>> The only safe places will be Peru and Australia. >>>>> Expect the USA to become a major target and 2/3rd of mankind to be wiped >>> out. >>>>> If this doesn’t happen before 2012 – then we can all breathe a sign of >>>>> relief, that humanity has been spared (this time round). >>>>> There were times during the late 70s’ and 80s’ when we were spared too? >>>>> I don’t wish for such catastrophes to happen – but the message that > should >>>>> be sent to the politicians and the military – is any acts of aggression >>>>> should not be taken. Particularly the USA to withdraw from it’s current >>>>> reign of terror and control. It is better for the USA to not act like > some >>>>> stupid policeman of the world, but to let what happens happen. >>>>> If China went on some invasion spree – that would be the time to act, > only >>>>> when such acts are seen to be carried out, and imminent. >>>>> A very experienced airline pilot said of 9/11 — that those guys who >>>>> flew those planes didn’t just go on some Cessna training program, but > must >>>>> have flew in the proper simulators for the particular aircraft that they >>>>> flew, for such accuracy in those crashes. Particularly the Pentagon hit >>>>> at ground level, would have been extremely difficult, even for a trained >>>>> pilot as himself (who’s had a lifetime of experience). >>>>> And would have spent a great number of hours in the simulator too. >>>>> That same person, thinks Bin Laden did not plan the 9/11 sabotage as >>>>> the media presents — but that the blame was put on Bin Laden. >>>>> Some sort of USA covert plot to fool the public about who is controlling >>>>> what? I am very suspicious about all this myself >>>>> As an aside – I mispelled supereme last time, because I forget how to >>>>> spell words I hardly use… should have been ’supreme’… >>>>> Your winter is far colder than over here. >>>>> Being surrounded by ocean – means we don’t get the harsh winters, like > you >>>>> do. Whereas you’re surrounded by a huge continent, which ensures you do > get >>>>> the cold. >>>>> The west coast of Indonesia is a long long ways from here. >>>>> A few years back there was a Tsunami near New Guinea – and that caused >>>>> disruption there, but that was only nearby a sparsely populated area. >>>>> An early warning Tsunami system, would simply be – to watch how animals >>>>> react – you and your household would do that? But I guess the native >>> animals >>>>> of the local area, would be better? >>>>> Harvey >>>>Ah, then the Tsunami wave stopped "in Australia", so to speak, and did not >>>>bring changes of any kind where you are? Good to know. >>>>They showed images of how the coast of Australia was flooded, streets >>>>under what seemed to be 4 ft of water. I then wondered if it touched your >>>>country too, since to someone at my end of the globe, or at least to me, >>>>your country and Australia seem close enough, on the map. >>>>Quebec’s East coast is on the Atlantic, if its lower part of the coast is >>>>yet met only by soft water. The sea turns into the St-Laurence river, over >>>>the Gaspesie peninsula of Quebec, where the St-Laurence River is what >>>>enters between the penisnsula and the rest of that lower part of Quebec: >>>>soft water then. >>>>Quebec also holds in its land one third of all the soft water in the world. >>>>The more you go North, the more the number of lakes, if the Great Lakes >>>>are South theemself. >>>>In the area where I live, South West of Quebec, just on the boraderline to >>>>Ontario, where I cross the brodge between the two cities each weekday for >>>>work, there is so much water that it makes us the most humid area of > Canada. >>>>So water *does* affect our climate much, from the sea, and even from the >>>>Pacific one, as in from BC to Quebec, and from our lakes and rivers, wehre >>>>some of our lakes and rivers are mistaken for the sea by tourists, as they >>>>are way more massive bodies of water than their rivers and lakes. >>>>So one third of the soft water in the world in one province, plus the >>>>coast being on the sea, plus the opther end of the country being on the >>>>Pacific coast and lettign the winds fly right through due to the flat >>>>praries of the western provinces, once passed the rockies of course, makes >>>>us very subjected to changes in weather due to all those bodies of water >>>>and all that geography. >>>>The area where I live is also a valley. Mountains around are small, as we >>>>have the end of two huge chains of moutians, the end being always smaller >>>>than the middle of the chains. But the valley tnds to make the humidity be >>>>trapped in… >>>>C >>> There was no damage at all to Australia due to the Boxing Day Tsunami in >>> West Indonesia – no flooding at all, etc. >>They showed it tat very day as being part of it. Maybe theypried the >>report to try and make it look like part of it. But they showed mostly Sri >>Lanka, and then had a few images of here and there, among which were mages >>of some Austraalian city, with many feet of water over the sterrts, houses >>flooded and all,where it was presented as if it had happened at a similar >>time. >>> There is only flooding in Australia recently in the news, which of course >>> is not to the Tsunami at all. >>> But at the time, only an astute fisherman may have noticed the usual >>> tidal change in Australia and New Zealand, etc. >>Perhaps animals for some might have sensed it. But from all I heard, it >>was unforseen, unpredctable, and no signs were given at all before, where >>even scientists working in seismography were puzzled and shocked that it >>could have happened without any warning of any kind. >>> There was a series of small earthquakes in the Wellington/New Zealand >>> area recently – which set people on edge [as people are always warned of > the >>> big ‘one’ – Wellington city being on a fault line. New buildings are >>> always designed with a big earthquake in mind, there. To be able to > withstand >>> such vibrations. >>> I didn’t feel the recent Wellington shakes, but have felt ones north and > west >>> at other times. >>With the floor of the sea being so changed so suddenly, such things are >>not only plausoble but quite possible/in the line of probabilities. >>If not right no,w, later the earth has to settle, and what took centuries >>to pack tight will not have packed in its new "bed" overnight.  Slides >>will occur. What remains unknown is if the slides will remain under the >>sea, or if it will end up affecting the "land" as well… >>epends on what slides how much when, I guess, i.e. at what speed: >>gradually or suddenly. Given the mass moved, I would say that when it >>would slide, it would be quite sudden, at least for some parts. Again, >>those might be noticeable only at the bottom of ther sea….But maybe not >>either. >>> We do get earthquake shakes in this part of the world, with the house >>> appearing to move, like some gentle giant is moving the house a little. >>> Some houses of the roughcast construction (once a wooden house, then >>> covered with a mortar mix over it, afterwards) do show cracks from such >>> shakes, as do pavements, etc. >>We had a few quakes in this area, even in the 6.2s. But the entire place >>being built on massive rock, no one ever got to fear earthquakes much >>here…. >>I remember the 6.2 one. Kiddo was eight and we were working at his >>lessons, with me drilling him for a test in school the next day…. >>His chair legs started to knock on the floor….and then I noticed he was >>moving while sitting still on the chair. And the next thing I knew, I too >>was moving and we were getting forther and further apart, the vibration >>making both our chairs move in opposite directions, where I clicked >>finally and as he said "What’s doing this?" I happened to say >>"Earthquake…It’s an earthquake! But we did not have tme to get anywhere. >>It lasted about 30 seconds, then went away….We noticed that the table >>had moved a few feet, like us, in its own direction, and giggled. >>I remember one of 5.6, when he was about 4-5. >>It was night time. My bfriend was asleep and so was kiddo -and so was I. >>In my sleep still, I sat straight up, got up,. fighting heavy sleep, >>walked over the bfriend after shaking him up, and walking directly to >>kiddo;s room as fast as I could where I grabbed him still zomby like, >>fighting a deep rem mode with all my strenght, where I coudl not talk or >>say anythign to the bfriend that as asking me laughing, thinking I was >>just sleepwalking what I was doing. >>I got back through the living room where the bfriend and I had fllen >>asleep, and carried my son, alseep, in a blanket I had wrapped around him >>and was heading for the door, to get OUT. >>The bfriend stopped me and asked, shaking me a bit t wake me up "What are >>you doing???? LOL!! You are sleewalking and going outdoors in the dead of >>the night with your kid! Wake up!!!" >>I coudl finally utter "Earthquake. We must get out. Bad

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In article <ct4b61$17…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >> In article <ct2nqk$n9…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>>> Meier is the prophet of this time, and being closer to the events than >>>> Cayce/Nostradamus – me thinks his source is more reliable? >>>> Anyway – what to watch out for – is for any eruption or activity from >>>> Mt.Vesuvius – this will herald the unthinkable — starting of WWWIII. >>>> It will be manmade ‘firestorms’ – which are highly secret at the moment, >>>> which will cause a chain reaction in the atmosphere. >>>> The only safe places will be Peru and Australia. >>>> Expect the USA to become a major target and 2/3rd of mankind to be wiped >> out. >>>> If this doesn’t happen before 2012 – then we can all breathe a sign of >>>> relief, that humanity has been spared (this time round). >>>> There were times during the late 70s’ and 80s’ when we were spared too? >>>> I don’t wish for such catastrophes to happen – but the message that should >>>> be sent to the politicians and the military – is any acts of aggression >>>> should not be taken. Particularly the USA to withdraw from it’s current >>>> reign of terror and control. It is better for the USA to not act like some >>>> stupid policeman of the world, but to let what happens happen. >>>> If China went on some invasion spree – that would be the time to act, only >>>> when such acts are seen to be carried out, and imminent. >>>> A very experienced airline pilot said of 9/11 — that those guys who >>>> flew those planes didn’t just go on some Cessna training program, but must >>>> have flew in the proper simulators for the particular aircraft that they >>>> flew, for such accuracy in those crashes. Particularly the Pentagon hit >>>> at ground level, would have been extremely difficult, even for a trained >>>> pilot as himself (who’s had a lifetime of experience). >>>> And would have spent a great number of hours in the simulator too. >>>> That same person, thinks Bin Laden did not plan the 9/11 sabotage as >>>> the media presents — but that the blame was put on Bin Laden. >>>> Some sort of USA covert plot to fool the public about who is controlling >>>> what? I am very suspicious about all this myself >>>> As an aside – I mispelled supereme last time, because I forget how to >>>> spell words I hardly use… should have been ’supreme’… >>>> Your winter is far colder than over here. >>>> Being surrounded by ocean – means we don’t get the harsh winters, like you >>>> do. Whereas you’re surrounded by a huge continent, which ensures you do get >>>> the cold. >>>> The west coast of Indonesia is a long long ways from here. >>>> A few years back there was a Tsunami near New Guinea – and that caused >>>> disruption there, but that was only nearby a sparsely populated area. >>>> An early warning Tsunami system, would simply be – to watch how animals >>>> react – you and your household would do that? But I guess the native >> animals >>>> of the local area, would be better? >>>> Harvey >>>Ah, then the Tsunami wave stopped "in Australia", so to speak, and did not >>>bring changes of any kind where you are? Good to know. >>>They showed images of how the coast of Australia was flooded, streets >>>under what seemed to be 4 ft of water. I then wondered if it touched your >>>country too, since to someone at my end of the globe, or at least to me, >>>your country and Australia seem close enough, on the map. >>>Quebec’s East coast is on the Atlantic, if its lower part of the coast is >>>yet met only by soft water. The sea turns into the St-Laurence river, over >>>the Gaspesie peninsula of Quebec, where the St-Laurence River is what >>>enters between the penisnsula and the rest of that lower part of Quebec: >>>soft water then. >>>Quebec also holds in its land one third of all the soft water in the world. >>>The more you go North, the more the number of lakes, if the Great Lakes >>>are South theemself. >>>In the area where I live, South West of Quebec, just on the boraderline to >>>Ontario, where I cross the brodge between the two cities each weekday for >>>work, there is so much water that it makes us the most humid area of Canada. >>>So water *does* affect our climate much, from the sea, and even from the >>>Pacific one, as in from BC to Quebec, and from our lakes and rivers, wehre >>>some of our lakes and rivers are mistaken for the sea by tourists, as they >>>are way more massive bodies of water than their rivers and lakes. >>>So one third of the soft water in the world in one province, plus the >>>coast being on the sea, plus the opther end of the country being on the >>>Pacific coast and lettign the winds fly right through due to the flat >>>praries of the western provinces, once passed the rockies of course, makes >>>us very subjected to changes in weather due to all those bodies of water >>>and all that geography. >>>The area where I live is also a valley. Mountains around are small, as we >>>have the end of two huge chains of moutians, the end being always smaller >>>than the middle of the chains. But the valley tnds to make the humidity be >>>trapped in… >>>C >> There was no damage at all to Australia due to the Boxing Day Tsunami in >> West Indonesia – no flooding at all, etc. >They showed it tat very day as being part of it. Maybe theypried the >report to try and make it look like part of it. But they showed mostly Sri >Lanka, and then had a few images of here and there, among which were mages >of some Austraalian city, with many feet of water over the sterrts, houses >flooded and all,where it was presented as if it had happened at a similar >time. >> There is only flooding in Australia recently in the news, which of course >> is not to the Tsunami at all. >> But at the time, only an astute fisherman may have noticed the usual >> tidal change in Australia and New Zealand, etc. >Perhaps animals for some might have sensed it. But from all I heard, it >was unforseen, unpredctable, and no signs were given at all before, where >even scientists working in seismography were puzzled and shocked that it >could have happened without any warning of any kind. >> There was a series of small earthquakes in the Wellington/New Zealand >> area recently – which set people on edge [as people are always warned of the >> big ‘one’ – Wellington city being on a fault line. New buildings are >> always designed with a big earthquake in mind, there. To be able to withstand >> such vibrations. >> I didn’t feel the recent Wellington shakes, but have felt ones north and west >> at other times. >With the floor of the sea being so changed so suddenly, such things are >not only plausoble but quite possible/in the line of probabilities. >If not right no,w, later the earth has to settle, and what took centuries >to pack tight will not have packed in its new "bed" overnight.  Slides >will occur. What remains unknown is if the slides will remain under the >sea, or if it will end up affecting the "land" as well… >epends on what slides how much when, I guess, i.e. at what speed: >gradually or suddenly. Given the mass moved, I would say that when it >would slide, it would be quite sudden, at least for some parts. Again, >those might be noticeable only at the bottom of ther sea….But maybe not >either. >> We do get earthquake shakes in this part of the world, with the house >> appearing to move, like some gentle giant is moving the house a little. >> Some houses of the roughcast construction (once a wooden house, then >> covered with a mortar mix over it, afterwards) do show cracks from such >> shakes, as do pavements, etc. >We had a few quakes in this area, even in the 6.2s. But the entire place >being built on massive rock, no one ever got to fear earthquakes much >here…. >I remember the 6.2 one. Kiddo was eight and we were working at his >lessons, with me drilling him for a test in school the next day…. >His chair legs started to knock on the floor….and then I noticed he was >moving while sitting still on the chair. And the next thing I knew, I too >was moving and we were getting forther and further apart, the vibration >making both our chairs move in opposite directions, where I clicked >finally and as he said "What’s doing this?" I happened to say >"Earthquake…It’s an earthquake! But we did not have tme to get anywhere. >It lasted about 30 seconds, then went away….We noticed that the table >had moved a few feet, like us, in its own direction, and giggled. >I remember one of 5.6, when he was about 4-5. >It was night time. My bfriend was asleep and so was kiddo -and so was I. >In my sleep still, I sat straight up, got up,. fighting heavy sleep, >walked over the bfriend after shaking him up, and walking directly to >kiddo;s room as fast as I could where I grabbed him still zomby like, >fighting a deep rem mode with all my strenght, where I coudl not talk or >say anythign to the bfriend that as asking me laughing, thinking I was >just sleepwalking what I was doing. >I got back through the living room where the bfriend and I had fllen >asleep, and carried my son, alseep, in a blanket I had wrapped around him >and was heading for the door, to get OUT. >The bfriend stopped me and asked, shaking me a bit t wake me up "What are >you doing???? LOL!! You are sleewalking and going outdoors in the dead of >the night with your kid! Wake up!!!" >I coudl finally utter "Earthquake. We must get out. Bad earth wquake". >He never felt a thing, even then while it was still happening. >He made fun of me all day the next day, until he ehard the news and >learned that indeed there had been an earthqauke, and he had not felt it >one bit. >Hew kept repeating the same

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Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ct2nqk$n9…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>> Meier is the prophet of this time, and being closer to the events than >>> Cayce/Nostradamus – me thinks his source is more reliable? >>> Anyway – what to watch out for – is for any eruption or activity from >>> Mt.Vesuvius – this will herald the unthinkable — starting of WWWIII. >>> It will be manmade ‘firestorms’ – which are highly secret at the moment, >>> which will cause a chain reaction in the atmosphere. >>> The only safe places will be Peru and Australia. >>> Expect the USA to become a major target and 2/3rd of mankind to be wiped > out. >>> If this doesn’t happen before 2012 – then we can all breathe a sign of >>> relief, that humanity has been spared (this time round). >>> There were times during the late 70s’ and 80s’ when we were spared too? >>> I don’t wish for such catastrophes to happen – but the message that should >>> be sent to the politicians and the military – is any acts of aggression >>> should not be taken. Particularly the USA to withdraw from it’s current >>> reign of terror and control. It is better for the USA to not act like some >>> stupid policeman of the world, but to let what happens happen. >>> If China went on some invasion spree – that would be the time to act, only >>> when such acts are seen to be carried out, and imminent. >>> A very experienced airline pilot said of 9/11 — that those guys who >>> flew those planes didn’t just go on some Cessna training program, but must >>> have flew in the proper simulators for the particular aircraft that they >>> flew, for such accuracy in those crashes. Particularly the Pentagon hit >>> at ground level, would have been extremely difficult, even for a trained >>> pilot as himself (who’s had a lifetime of experience). >>> And would have spent a great number of hours in the simulator too. >>> That same person, thinks Bin Laden did not plan the 9/11 sabotage as >>> the media presents — but that the blame was put on Bin Laden. >>> Some sort of USA covert plot to fool the public about who is controlling >>> what? I am very suspicious about all this myself >>> As an aside – I mispelled supereme last time, because I forget how to >>> spell words I hardly use… should have been ’supreme’… >>> Your winter is far colder than over here. >>> Being surrounded by ocean – means we don’t get the harsh winters, like you >>> do. Whereas you’re surrounded by a huge continent, which ensures you do get >>> the cold. >>> The west coast of Indonesia is a long long ways from here. >>> A few years back there was a Tsunami near New Guinea – and that caused >>> disruption there, but that was only nearby a sparsely populated area. >>> An early warning Tsunami system, would simply be – to watch how animals >>> react – you and your household would do that? But I guess the native > animals >>> of the local area, would be better? >>> Harvey >>Ah, then the Tsunami wave stopped "in Australia", so to speak, and did not >>bring changes of any kind where you are? Good to know. >>They showed images of how the coast of Australia was flooded, streets >>under what seemed to be 4 ft of water. I then wondered if it touched your >>country too, since to someone at my end of the globe, or at least to me, >>your country and Australia seem close enough, on the map. >>Quebec’s East coast is on the Atlantic, if its lower part of the coast is >>yet met only by soft water. The sea turns into the St-Laurence river, over >>the Gaspesie peninsula of Quebec, where the St-Laurence River is what >>enters between the penisnsula and the rest of that lower part of Quebec: >>soft water then. >>Quebec also holds in its land one third of all the soft water in the world. >>The more you go North, the more the number of lakes, if the Great Lakes >>are South theemself. >>In the area where I live, South West of Quebec, just on the boraderline to >>Ontario, where I cross the brodge between the two cities each weekday for >>work, there is so much water that it makes us the most humid area of Canada. >>So water *does* affect our climate much, from the sea, and even from the >>Pacific one, as in from BC to Quebec, and from our lakes and rivers, wehre >>some of our lakes and rivers are mistaken for the sea by tourists, as they >>are way more massive bodies of water than their rivers and lakes. >>So one third of the soft water in the world in one province, plus the >>coast being on the sea, plus the opther end of the country being on the >>Pacific coast and lettign the winds fly right through due to the flat >>praries of the western provinces, once passed the rockies of course, makes >>us very subjected to changes in weather due to all those bodies of water >>and all that geography. >>The area where I live is also a valley. Mountains around are small, as we >>have the end of two huge chains of moutians, the end being always smaller >>than the middle of the chains. But the valley tnds to make the humidity be >>trapped in… >>C > There was no damage at all to Australia due to the Boxing Day Tsunami in > West Indonesia – no flooding at all, etc.

They showed it tat very day as being part of it. Maybe theypried the report to try and make it look like part of it. But they showed mostly Sri Lanka, and then had a few images of here and there, among which were mages of some Austraalian city, with many feet of water over the sterrts, houses flooded and all,where it was presented as if it had happened at a similar time. > There is only flooding in Australia recently in the news, which of course > is not to the Tsunami at all. > But at the time, only an astute fisherman may have noticed the usual > tidal change in Australia and New Zealand, etc.

Perhaps animals for some might have sensed it. But from all I heard, it was unforseen, unpredctable, and no signs were given at all before, where even scientists working in seismography were puzzled and shocked that it could have happened without any warning of any kind. > There was a series of small earthquakes in the Wellington/New Zealand > area recently – which set people on edge [as people are always warned of the > big ‘one’ – Wellington city being on a fault line. New buildings are > always designed with a big earthquake in mind, there. To be able to withstand > such vibrations. > I didn’t feel the recent Wellington shakes, but have felt ones north and west > at other times.

With the floor of the sea being so changed so suddenly, such things are not only plausoble but quite possible/in the line of probabilities. If not right no,w, later the earth has to settle, and what took centuries to pack tight will not have packed in its new "bed" overnight.  Slides will occur. What remains unknown is if the slides will remain under the sea, or if it will end up affecting the "land" as well… epends on what slides how much when, I guess, i.e. at what speed: gradually or suddenly. Given the mass moved, I would say that when it would slide, it would be quite sudden, at least for some parts. Again, those might be noticeable only at the bottom of ther sea….But maybe not either.  > > We do get earthquake shakes in this part of the world, with the house > appearing to move, like some gentle giant is moving the house a little. > Some houses of the roughcast construction (once a wooden house, then > covered with a mortar mix over it, afterwards) do show cracks from such > shakes, as do pavements, etc.

We had a few quakes in this area, even in the 6.2s. But the entire place being built on massive rock, no one ever got to fear earthquakes much here…. I remember the 6.2 one. Kiddo was eight and we were working at his lessons, with me drilling him for a test in school the next day…. His chair legs started to knock on the floor….and then I noticed he was moving while sitting still on the chair. And the next thing I knew, I too was moving and we were getting forther and further apart, the vibration making both our chairs move in opposite directions, where I clicked finally and as he said "What’s doing this?" I happened to say "Earthquake…It’s an earthquake! But we did not have tme to get anywhere. It lasted about 30 seconds, then went away….We noticed that the table had moved a few feet, like us, in its own direction, and giggled. I remember one of 5.6, when he was about 4-5. It was night time. My bfriend was asleep and so was kiddo -and so was I. In my sleep still, I sat straight up, got up,. fighting heavy sleep, walked over the bfriend after shaking him up, and walking directly to kiddo;s room as fast as I could where I grabbed him still zomby like, fighting a deep rem mode with all my strenght, where I coudl not talk or say anythign to the bfriend that as asking me laughing, thinking I was just sleepwalking what I was doing. I got back through the living room where the bfriend and I had fllen asleep, and carried my son, alseep, in a blanket I had wrapped around him and was heading for the door, to get OUT. The bfriend stopped me and asked, shaking me a bit t wake me up "What are you doing???? LOL!! You are sleewalking and going outdoors in the dead of the night with your kid! Wake up!!!" I coudl finally utter "Earthquake. We must get out. Bad earth wquake". He never felt a thing, even then while it was still happening. He made fun of me all day the next day, until he ehard the news and learned that indeed there had been an earthqauke, and he had not felt it one bit. Hew kept repeating the same question: how could I, sleepign as deeply as I did, feel that and react to wake him up and go fetch my son, when he felt nothing even when awake??? I kept sayng "I dunno. I just fet it and somehow knew what it was…The rest was maternal instinct and pilot mode, so asleep I … read more »

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In article <ct2nqk$n9…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >> Meier is the prophet of this time, and being closer to the events than >> Cayce/Nostradamus – me thinks his source is more reliable? >> Anyway – what to watch out for – is for any eruption or activity from >> Mt.Vesuvius – this will herald the unthinkable — starting of WWWIII. >> It will be manmade ‘firestorms’ – which are highly secret at the moment, >> which will cause a chain reaction in the atmosphere. >> The only safe places will be Peru and Australia. >> Expect the USA to become a major target and 2/3rd of mankind to be wiped out. >> If this doesn’t happen before 2012 – then we can all breathe a sign of >> relief, that humanity has been spared (this time round). >> There were times during the late 70s’ and 80s’ when we were spared too? >> I don’t wish for such catastrophes to happen – but the message that should >> be sent to the politicians and the military – is any acts of aggression >> should not be taken. Particularly the USA to withdraw from it’s current >> reign of terror and control. It is better for the USA to not act like some >> stupid policeman of the world, but to let what happens happen. >> If China went on some invasion spree – that would be the time to act, only >> when such acts are seen to be carried out, and imminent. >> A very experienced airline pilot said of 9/11 — that those guys who >> flew those planes didn’t just go on some Cessna training program, but must >> have flew in the proper simulators for the particular aircraft that they >> flew, for such accuracy in those crashes. Particularly the Pentagon hit >> at ground level, would have been extremely difficult, even for a trained >> pilot as himself (who’s had a lifetime of experience). >> And would have spent a great number of hours in the simulator too. >> That same person, thinks Bin Laden did not plan the 9/11 sabotage as >> the media presents — but that the blame was put on Bin Laden. >> Some sort of USA covert plot to fool the public about who is controlling >> what? I am very suspicious about all this myself >> As an aside – I mispelled supereme last time, because I forget how to >> spell words I hardly use… should have been ’supreme’… >> Your winter is far colder than over here. >> Being surrounded by ocean – means we don’t get the harsh winters, like you >> do. Whereas you’re surrounded by a huge continent, which ensures you do get >> the cold. >> The west coast of Indonesia is a long long ways from here. >> A few years back there was a Tsunami near New Guinea – and that caused >> disruption there, but that was only nearby a sparsely populated area. >> An early warning Tsunami system, would simply be – to watch how animals >> react – you and your household would do that? But I guess the native animals >> of the local area, would be better? >> Harvey >Ah, then the Tsunami wave stopped "in Australia", so to speak, and did not >bring changes of any kind where you are? Good to know. >They showed images of how the coast of Australia was flooded, streets >under what seemed to be 4 ft of water. I then wondered if it touched your >country too, since to someone at my end of the globe, or at least to me, >your country and Australia seem close enough, on the map. >Quebec’s East coast is on the Atlantic, if its lower part of the coast is >yet met only by soft water. The sea turns into the St-Laurence river, over >the Gaspesie peninsula of Quebec, where the St-Laurence River is what >enters between the penisnsula and the rest of that lower part of Quebec: >soft water then. >Quebec also holds in its land one third of all the soft water in the world. >The more you go North, the more the number of lakes, if the Great Lakes >are South theemself. >In the area where I live, South West of Quebec, just on the boraderline to >Ontario, where I cross the brodge between the two cities each weekday for >work, there is so much water that it makes us the most humid area of Canada. >So water *does* affect our climate much, from the sea, and even from the >Pacific one, as in from BC to Quebec, and from our lakes and rivers, wehre >some of our lakes and rivers are mistaken for the sea by tourists, as they >are way more massive bodies of water than their rivers and lakes. >So one third of the soft water in the world in one province, plus the >coast being on the sea, plus the opther end of the country being on the >Pacific coast and lettign the winds fly right through due to the flat >praries of the western provinces, once passed the rockies of course, makes >us very subjected to changes in weather due to all those bodies of water >and all that geography. >The area where I live is also a valley. Mountains around are small, as we >have the end of two huge chains of moutians, the end being always smaller >than the middle of the chains. But the valley tnds to make the humidity be >trapped in… >C

There was no damage at all to Australia due to the Boxing Day Tsunami in West Indonesia – no flooding at all, etc. There is only flooding in Australia recently in the news, which of course is not to the Tsunami at all. But at the time, only an astute fisherman may have noticed the usual tidal change in Australia and New Zealand, etc. There was a series of small earthquakes in the Wellington/New Zealand area recently – which set people on edge [as people are always warned of the big ‘one’ – Wellington city being on a fault line. New buildings are always designed with a big earthquake in mind, there. To be able to withstand such vibrations. I didn’t feel the recent Wellington shakes, but have felt ones north and west at other times. We do get earthquake shakes in this part of the world, with the house appearing to move, like some gentle giant is moving the house a little. Some houses of the roughcast construction (once a wooden house, then covered with a mortar mix over it, afterwards) do show cracks from such shakes, as do pavements, etc. Harvey

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Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <ct02hm$l4…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>> In article <cstgo4$m4…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>>>> In article <css31d$jn…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA > says… >>>>>>I’d like to bring one of them philosophers over here and sit them on a >>>>>>snow bank (rather ice banks this year), and ask them "Is it as Cold for >>>>>>you, dear?? Is "Hot" still relative???? Can you still claim you can not > say >>>>>>how cold this cold is for me right now? Fine. I will just wait till you > beg >>>>>>for mercy to let you indoors. THEN you’ll be as cold as me. Or rather as >>>>>>cold as I was before I got in. Or was it me that got indoors, since I am >>>>>>no the same one as the one who was cold just before outdoors for having >>>>>>lived another fraction in time? Maybe it ainlt me. Maybe you’ll knock at >>>>>>the wrong door. Maybe I just wonlt be there anymore to open. Someone new >>>>>>will look at you and not open for not knowing you, cause you wonlt be the >>>>>>same you as the you the oen that n longer is me knew or thought she knew >>>>>>in her illusion of reality out there in the hot-cold. >>>>>>C >>>>> Cold is relative. >>>>Gngngn….;-) >>>>Not in Gateau. The city plow rolled the last philosopher to the snow >>>>blower, yesterday… >>>>The crowd was deliriously happy, and "Relative *this*!!" fused from >>>>everywhere… >>>>> If you’re hungry and hadn’t much to eat at all – the cold will get to > you. >>>>> If you’ve played a good two hours of volleyball in which you enjoyed >>>>> yourself, your body temperature will be up, and your biological processes >>>>> in a heightened state of awareness – you’ll be OK for another two hours >>>>> in spite of the cold. >>>>And then die automatically as your nostrils and lips glue together on your >>> way >>>>back home. That is, two feet from the gym doors…;-) >>>>> I guess that’s why I look forward to playing a lot of volleyball during >>>>> winter – to chase those blues away… >>>>Good for you, your Warmthness!:) >>>>Just be sure to shove vaseline up your nose and on your lips before you >>>>leave the gym….;-) >>>>> I guess it’s a case of acknowledging it’s bloody cold! and then stop >>>>> moaning about it… >>>>Yup. You’re like me. You catch fast if moaned to slowly;-):) >>>> > It does get cold here — I wear thermal underwear, and at least two >>>>> layers of underwear, plus a scarf. That helps… >>>>And to think, *it is full summer* where you live!!!;-) >>> It hasn’t been much of a summer here, in this part of the world. >>I winder if this means our summer time will follow the same pattern. But >>then, your end of the world had it ever so so hard not long ago…. >>Where the entire planetary ground was more than just shaken… >>Telluric energy line must completely be changed…. >>Hey, you might wanna have a look at Cayce again and see which places he >>had said would be affected by seisms before/during the pole switches… >>I think eh said that it woudl be in such a seism that an Island woudl >>resurface and that that Island would be the lost Atlantis…But rather, >>I;d like to read what part of the world he had said woudl be affected by >>land slides and earthwuakes and so on, in these days, and check out how >>far off/on he was…. >>> It is hot today but over the official holiday period it’s been wet and > cool, >>> sometimes cold as in winter like coldness. Tourists have missed out on a >>> kiwi summer… same for a lot of kiwis too on their holiday. >>Do poeple there refer to themselves as "Kiwis"? Or is it just something >>that (some) tourists call them…? >>>>Imagine you’d be in winter, now…? Sheesh!;-):):) >>>>Must be hard to walk with 6 thermal underwears…Even more so when wearing >>>>them!:) >>>><having flashes of some super bundled team of players having a volleyball >>>>game, wearing a full lenght snow suit (each, hopefully…) to cover the 6 >>>>layers of Long John’s… >>>>Wonder if they’d have to do slow motion for the replays….?;-);-):):) >>> Nah, I don’t wear thermal underwear while playing volleyball – as I’ll >>> be sweating 1/2 through a game/etc. I put them back on hours afterwards. >>Here, as uch as you try and shower and dry tyourself after such an indoors >>sports in winter, or asmuch as you even try and skip the shower to not get >>even more wet/damp and ehad for home to have your shower there, as you >>woudl alk out of that gym in weather like e have since weeks, your hair >>woudl be frozen into ice just from the dampness of the sweat, and still if >>it was dripping wet, the whole water contents woud freeze solid instantly. >>I see it happen each day with my own hair. Got to be careful to then not >>touch it, as it actually might break like an icecicle, and leave you with >>a blad spot or shorter hair on one spot;-). As well, your nostrils DO glue >>together just from the hmidity contents of your own body, as you >>breath. Compare it to sticking your tongue on a railroad track in winter. >>Save that this time, you wish a train was comign to and it faster;-) >>Fortunately, thse severe colds only last a sdhort while. Usually two >>weeks. But "usually" is an odd average. Again, two years ago, it lasted 12 >>weeks, and had started in late January, after everyoen thought we’d have a >>record early spring. I also remember that the year my dad passed away, in >>Florida, we’d tell him on the phoen to not come back right away, that it >>still was 40 below here (sic). It was April 27 when he died. Almost May. >>nd I remember it was fourty below all right…I had no heating at all that >>year. Man, what awful winters those were… >>I remember other years when it lasted ""only"" six weeks but would be >>record colds, colder than ever. >>A normal winter here is "supposed" to be two straight weeks of weather in >>the 40 belows, with the occasional day at 50 below, from mid-end of >>January to beginging of February. >>This area is also known to be the most humid oen in Canada, and by far. >>Only, we were so used to it that we did not find it humid >>ourselves…Until the climate changes that started around ‘95. Man, what >>awful humidity levels. 95 was a summer with 100 percent humidity *all the >>time*. It woudl rain? No difference, it woudl remain 100 pecent humidity >>just the same! No one had airco in Canada then save Amerian restaurant >>chains and shoppign centres. That year, in June, airco was backorder until >>end of October…. >>It never went away since….It is as if the humidity levels tripled. I >>noticed many types of trees that never coudl grow here when I was a kid >>now propagating like bad weeds, and even eating our foests away, choking >>other trees. Exactly like bad weed…Animals are also lost at times… >>Bears not hibenating yet in Late December and coming in the cities to try >>and find food, scne all is covered in snow…Two years ago they ahd to >>kill many of them: they would shoot them with anesthetics, have them >>removed and taken firther n the national park, after marking them. But >>they coudl see the same ones would comeback, poor things, hungry like mad >>and going for garbage cans… >>I saw a fox not two weeks ago on some downtown bridge. This is never good. >>Means possible rabbies epidemic of major importance this spring… >>I gues the rain, as iced as it wsa, made them think it was spring time >>arriving…My own tyrtle did not prepare for hibernation as she usually >>did, and nwo comes out of hibernation each two three days, which I am sure >>must affect her entre metabolism…. >>Some birds known to fly south in winter I saw staying now….Maybe half of >>them would stay on some years… >>The same, I had noticed that big black crows had completely vanished since >>a decade or two and that no oen seemed to notice. In the last years, I saw >>them reapear. Even in winter! Crows used to be what woudl let us know >>spring was coming as they all flew South in winter…. >>We had a few years of the weather being milder in witner, if we no longer >>had springs anymore (cold and rainy until June 23 or so the last years, >>save last eyar which was a nice normal childhood dream like spring:), wit >>a completely rotten wet summer) . I guess the few mild springs, where >>three eyars ago it was 100 F on March 1 nd never went lower, summer being >>114 and up, plus awful humidex (sic) making it in the 120s:(, The mild >>springs made the birds be lost as to "shoud we leave or stay?" >>All in all, I don’t think it is a compass they have in their brain so much >>as a thermometer up their rear end;-). When the wind freezes your tail, >>you fly away from it, is what I think the entire theory is about;-). >>Strange changes we have…. >>I had lived long enough before 95 to know tht weather was not supposed to >>change patterns *that* fast. I amglad I was born in better weather days… >>I ust say that our winters, for the snow falls, and the lenght of time we >>have snw on the ground, are extremely shorter. It is more like their >>slowly stretchign over spring, no snow by May in any case:), though I >>remember snow falls on June 18 of 12 inches (sic) one childhood year, just >>on time for my summer chool break, bleh:). But our springs now usually are >>unexistent, and cold rains replaced them from sme time betweenthe end of >>snow falls till June 21-23, where it suddenly switches from 50 F o 114 >>plus humidex and stays humid to death, dripping wet humid, where even your >>clthes in your closet you can wring water out of, no kidding. Donme it for >>real. You get out of the shower and never dry. I once at in

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In article <ct02hm$l4…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >> In article <cstgo4$m4…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>>> In article <css31d$jn…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>>>I’d like to bring one of them philosophers over here and sit them on a >>>>>snow bank (rather ice banks this year), and ask them "Is it as Cold for >>>>>you, dear?? Is "Hot" still relative???? Can you still claim you can not say >>>>>how cold this cold is for me right now? Fine. I will just wait till you beg >>>>>for mercy to let you indoors. THEN you’ll be as cold as me. Or rather as >>>>>cold as I was before I got in. Or was it me that got indoors, since I am >>>>>no the same one as the one who was cold just before outdoors for having >>>>>lived another fraction in time? Maybe it ainlt me. Maybe you’ll knock at >>>>>the wrong door. Maybe I just wonlt be there anymore to open. Someone new >>>>>will look at you and not open for not knowing you, cause you wonlt be the >>>>>same you as the you the oen that n longer is me knew or thought she knew >>>>>in her illusion of reality out there in the hot-cold. >>>>>C >>>> Cold is relative. >>>Gngngn….;-) >>>Not in Gateau. The city plow rolled the last philosopher to the snow >>>blower, yesterday… >>>The crowd was deliriously happy, and "Relative *this*!!" fused from >>>everywhere… >>>> If you’re hungry and hadn’t much to eat at all – the cold will get to you. >>>> If you’ve played a good two hours of volleyball in which you enjoyed >>>> yourself, your body temperature will be up, and your biological processes >>>> in a heightened state of awareness – you’ll be OK for another two hours >>>> in spite of the cold. >>>And then die automatically as your nostrils and lips glue together on your >> way >>>back home. That is, two feet from the gym doors…;-) >>>> I guess that’s why I look forward to playing a lot of volleyball during >>>> winter – to chase those blues away… >>>Good for you, your Warmthness!:) >>>Just be sure to shove vaseline up your nose and on your lips before you >>>leave the gym….;-) >>>> I guess it’s a case of acknowledging it’s bloody cold! and then stop >>>> moaning about it… >>>Yup. You’re like me. You catch fast if moaned to slowly;-):) >>> > It does get cold here — I wear thermal underwear, and at least two >>>> layers of underwear, plus a scarf. That helps… >>>And to think, *it is full summer* where you live!!!;-) >> It hasn’t been much of a summer here, in this part of the world. >I winder if this means our summer time will follow the same pattern. But >then, your end of the world had it ever so so hard not long ago…. >Where the entire planetary ground was more than just shaken… >Telluric energy line must completely be changed…. >Hey, you might wanna have a look at Cayce again and see which places he >had said would be affected by seisms before/during the pole switches… >I think eh said that it woudl be in such a seism that an Island woudl >resurface and that that Island would be the lost Atlantis…But rather, >I;d like to read what part of the world he had said woudl be affected by >land slides and earthwuakes and so on, in these days, and check out how >far off/on he was…. >> It is hot today but over the official holiday period it’s been wet and cool, >> sometimes cold as in winter like coldness. Tourists have missed out on a >> kiwi summer… same for a lot of kiwis too on their holiday. >Do poeple there refer to themselves as "Kiwis"? Or is it just something >that (some) tourists call them…? >>>Imagine you’d be in winter, now…? Sheesh!;-):):) >>>Must be hard to walk with 6 thermal underwears…Even more so when wearing >>>them!:) >>><having flashes of some super bundled team of players having a volleyball >>>game, wearing a full lenght snow suit (each, hopefully…) to cover the 6 >>>layers of Long John’s… >>>Wonder if they’d have to do slow motion for the replays….?;-);-):):) >> Nah, I don’t wear thermal underwear while playing volleyball – as I’ll >> be sweating 1/2 through a game/etc. I put them back on hours afterwards. >Here, as uch as you try and shower and dry tyourself after such an indoors >sports in winter, or asmuch as you even try and skip the shower to not get >even more wet/damp and ehad for home to have your shower there, as you >woudl alk out of that gym in weather like e have since weeks, your hair >woudl be frozen into ice just from the dampness of the sweat, and still if >it was dripping wet, the whole water contents woud freeze solid instantly. >I see it happen each day with my own hair. Got to be careful to then not >touch it, as it actually might break like an icecicle, and leave you with >a blad spot or shorter hair on one spot;-). As well, your nostrils DO glue >together just from the hmidity contents of your own body, as you >breath. Compare it to sticking your tongue on a railroad track in winter. >Save that this time, you wish a train was comign to and it faster;-) >Fortunately, thse severe colds only last a sdhort while. Usually two >weeks. But "usually" is an odd average. Again, two years ago, it lasted 12 >weeks, and had started in late January, after everyoen thought we’d have a >record early spring. I also remember that the year my dad passed away, in >Florida, we’d tell him on the phoen to not come back right away, that it >still was 40 below here (sic). It was April 27 when he died. Almost May. >nd I remember it was fourty below all right…I had no heating at all that >year. Man, what awful winters those were… >I remember other years when it lasted ""only"" six weeks but would be >record colds, colder than ever. >A normal winter here is "supposed" to be two straight weeks of weather in >the 40 belows, with the occasional day at 50 below, from mid-end of >January to beginging of February. >This area is also known to be the most humid oen in Canada, and by far. >Only, we were so used to it that we did not find it humid >ourselves…Until the climate changes that started around ‘95. Man, what >awful humidity levels. 95 was a summer with 100 percent humidity *all the >time*. It woudl rain? No difference, it woudl remain 100 pecent humidity >just the same! No one had airco in Canada then save Amerian restaurant >chains and shoppign centres. That year, in June, airco was backorder until >end of October…. >It never went away since….It is as if the humidity levels tripled. I >noticed many types of trees that never coudl grow here when I was a kid >now propagating like bad weeds, and even eating our foests away, choking >other trees. Exactly like bad weed…Animals are also lost at times… >Bears not hibenating yet in Late December and coming in the cities to try >and find food, scne all is covered in snow…Two years ago they ahd to >kill many of them: they would shoot them with anesthetics, have them >removed and taken firther n the national park, after marking them. But >they coudl see the same ones would comeback, poor things, hungry like mad >and going for garbage cans… >I saw a fox not two weeks ago on some downtown bridge. This is never good. >Means possible rabbies epidemic of major importance this spring… >I gues the rain, as iced as it wsa, made them think it was spring time >arriving…My own tyrtle did not prepare for hibernation as she usually >did, and nwo comes out of hibernation each two three days, which I am sure >must affect her entre metabolism…. >Some birds known to fly south in winter I saw staying now….Maybe half of >them would stay on some years… >The same, I had noticed that big black crows had completely vanished since >a decade or two and that no oen seemed to notice. In the last years, I saw >them reapear. Even in winter! Crows used to be what woudl let us know >spring was coming as they all flew South in winter…. >We had a few years of the weather being milder in witner, if we no longer >had springs anymore (cold and rainy until June 23 or so the last years, >save last eyar which was a nice normal childhood dream like spring:), wit >a completely rotten wet summer) . I guess the few mild springs, where >three eyars ago it was 100 F on March 1 nd never went lower, summer being >114 and up, plus awful humidex (sic) making it in the 120s:(, The mild >springs made the birds be lost as to "shoud we leave or stay?" >All in all, I don’t think it is a compass they have in their brain so much >as a thermometer up their rear end;-). When the wind freezes your tail, >you fly away from it, is what I think the entire theory is about;-). >Strange changes we have…. >I had lived long enough before 95 to know tht weather was not supposed to >change patterns *that* fast. I amglad I was born in better weather days… >I ust say that our winters, for the snow falls, and the lenght of time we >have snw on the ground, are extremely shorter. It is more like their >slowly stretchign over spring, no snow by May in any case:), though I >remember snow falls on June 18 of 12 inches (sic) one childhood year, just >on time for my summer chool break, bleh:). But our springs now usually are >unexistent, and cold rains replaced them from sme time betweenthe end of >snow falls till June 21-23, where it suddenly switches from 50 F o 114 >plus humidex and stays humid to death, dripping wet humid, where even your >clthes in your closet you can wring water out of, no kidding. Donme it for >real. You get out of the shower and never dry. I once at in front fo a >strong commercial fan I bought to try and dry after a shwer. Sittign right >in front of it with wind so strong the furniture almost moved;-). And I >still NEVER dried, as the air it threw on me was filled with humidity. >It even

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In article <cstgo4$m4…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >> In article <css31d$jn…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>I’d like to bring one of them philosophers over here and sit them on a >>>snow bank (rather ice banks this year), and ask them "Is it as Cold for >>>you, dear?? Is "Hot" still relative???? Can you still claim you can not say >>>how cold this cold is for me right now? Fine. I will just wait till you beg >>>for mercy to let you indoors. THEN you’ll be as cold as me. Or rather as >>>cold as I was before I got in. Or was it me that got indoors, since I am >>>no the same one as the one who was cold just before outdoors for having >>>lived another fraction in time? Maybe it ainlt me. Maybe you’ll knock at >>>the wrong door. Maybe I just wonlt be there anymore to open. Someone new >>>will look at you and not open for not knowing you, cause you wonlt be the >>>same you as the you the oen that n longer is me knew or thought she knew >>>in her illusion of reality out there in the hot-cold. >>>C >> Cold is relative. >Gngngn….;-) >Not in Gateau. The city plow rolled the last philosopher to the snow >blower, yesterday… >The crowd was deliriously happy, and "Relative *this*!!" fused from >everywhere… >> If you’re hungry and hadn’t much to eat at all – the cold will get to you. >> If you’ve played a good two hours of volleyball in which you enjoyed >> yourself, your body temperature will be up, and your biological processes >> in a heightened state of awareness – you’ll be OK for another two hours >> in spite of the cold. >And then die automatically as your nostrils and lips glue together on your way >back home. That is, two feet from the gym doors…;-) >> I guess that’s why I look forward to playing a lot of volleyball during >> winter – to chase those blues away… >Good for you, your Warmthness!:) >Just be sure to shove vaseline up your nose and on your lips before you >leave the gym….;-) >> I guess it’s a case of acknowledging it’s bloody cold! and then stop >> moaning about it… >Yup. You’re like me. You catch fast if moaned to slowly;-):) > > It does get cold here — I wear thermal underwear, and at least two >> layers of underwear, plus a scarf. That helps… >And to think, *it is full summer* where you live!!!;-)

It hasn’t been much of a summer here, in this part of the world. It is hot today but over the official holiday period it’s been wet and cool, sometimes cold as in winter like coldness. Tourists have missed out on a kiwi summer… same for a lot of kiwis too on their holiday. >Imagine you’d be in winter, now…? Sheesh!;-):):) >Must be hard to walk with 6 thermal underwears…Even more so when wearing >them!:) ><having flashes of some super bundled team of players having a volleyball >game, wearing a full lenght snow suit (each, hopefully…) to cover the 6 >layers of Long John’s… >Wonder if they’d have to do slow motion for the replays….?;-);-):):)

Nah, I don’t wear thermal underwear while playing volleyball – as I’ll be sweating 1/2 through a game/etc. I put them back on hours afterwards. >;-) >P.S.: >How do you think we invented hockey??;-) >We found the frozen head of a philosopher, and tried to kick it in the >snow blower’s "mouth", what else!;-) >:) >C > >  > Harvey

Haven’t tried hockey, and ice hockey owuld be out of the question for me. As I can’t skate/etc. Harvey

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Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <cstgo4$m4…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: >>> In article <css31d$jn…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>>>I’d like to bring one of them philosophers over here and sit them on a >>>>snow bank (rather ice banks this year), and ask them "Is it as Cold for >>>>you, dear?? Is "Hot" still relative???? Can you still claim you can not say >>>>how cold this cold is for me right now? Fine. I will just wait till you beg >>>>for mercy to let you indoors. THEN you’ll be as cold as me. Or rather as >>>>cold as I was before I got in. Or was it me that got indoors, since I am >>>>no the same one as the one who was cold just before outdoors for having >>>>lived another fraction in time? Maybe it ainlt me. Maybe you’ll knock at >>>>the wrong door. Maybe I just wonlt be there anymore to open. Someone new >>>>will look at you and not open for not knowing you, cause you wonlt be the >>>>same you as the you the oen that n longer is me knew or thought she knew >>>>in her illusion of reality out there in the hot-cold. >>>>C >>> Cold is relative. >>Gngngn….;-) >>Not in Gateau. The city plow rolled the last philosopher to the snow >>blower, yesterday… >>The crowd was deliriously happy, and "Relative *this*!!" fused from >>everywhere… >>> If you’re hungry and hadn’t much to eat at all – the cold will get to you. >>> If you’ve played a good two hours of volleyball in which you enjoyed >>> yourself, your body temperature will be up, and your biological processes >>> in a heightened state of awareness – you’ll be OK for another two hours >>> in spite of the cold. >>And then die automatically as your nostrils and lips glue together on your > way >>back home. That is, two feet from the gym doors…;-) >>> I guess that’s why I look forward to playing a lot of volleyball during >>> winter – to chase those blues away… >>Good for you, your Warmthness!:) >>Just be sure to shove vaseline up your nose and on your lips before you >>leave the gym….;-) >>> I guess it’s a case of acknowledging it’s bloody cold! and then stop >>> moaning about it… >>Yup. You’re like me. You catch fast if moaned to slowly;-):) >> > It does get cold here — I wear thermal underwear, and at least two >>> layers of underwear, plus a scarf. That helps… >>And to think, *it is full summer* where you live!!!;-) > It hasn’t been much of a summer here, in this part of the world.

I winder if this means our summer time will follow the same pattern. But then, your end of the world had it ever so so hard not long ago…. Where the entire planetary ground was more than just shaken… Telluric energy line must completely be changed…. Hey, you might wanna have a look at Cayce again and see which places he had said would be affected by seisms before/during the pole switches… I think eh said that it woudl be in such a seism that an Island woudl resurface and that that Island would be the lost Atlantis…But rather, I;d like to read what part of the world he had said woudl be affected by land slides and earthwuakes and so on, in these days, and check out how far off/on he was…. > It is hot today but over the official holiday period it’s been wet and cool, > sometimes cold as in winter like coldness. Tourists have missed out on a > kiwi summer… same for a lot of kiwis too on their holiday.

Do poeple there refer to themselves as "Kiwis"? Or is it just something that (some) tourists call them…? >>Imagine you’d be in winter, now…? Sheesh!;-):):) >>Must be hard to walk with 6 thermal underwears…Even more so when wearing >>them!:) >><having flashes of some super bundled team of players having a volleyball >>game, wearing a full lenght snow suit (each, hopefully…) to cover the 6 >>layers of Long John’s… >>Wonder if they’d have to do slow motion for the replays….?;-);-):):) > Nah, I don’t wear thermal underwear while playing volleyball – as I’ll > be sweating 1/2 through a game/etc. I put them back on hours afterwards.

Here, as uch as you try and shower and dry tyourself after such an indoors sports in winter, or asmuch as you even try and skip the shower to not get even more wet/damp and ehad for home to have your shower there, as you woudl alk out of that gym in weather like e have since weeks, your hair woudl be frozen into ice just from the dampness of the sweat, and still if it was dripping wet, the whole water contents woud freeze solid instantly. I see it happen each day with my own hair. Got to be careful to then not touch it, as it actually might break like an icecicle, and leave you with a blad spot or shorter hair on one spot;-). As well, your nostrils DO glue together just from the hmidity contents of your own body, as you breath. Compare it to sticking your tongue on a railroad track in winter. Save that this time, you wish a train was comign to and it faster;-) Fortunately, thse severe colds only last a sdhort while. Usually two weeks. But "usually" is an odd average. Again, two years ago, it lasted 12 weeks, and had started in late January, after everyoen thought we’d have a record early spring. I also remember that the year my dad passed away, in Florida, we’d tell him on the phoen to not come back right away, that it still was 40 below here (sic). It was April 27 when he died. Almost May. nd I remember it was fourty below all right…I had no heating at all that year. Man, what awful winters those were… I remember other years when it lasted ""only"" six weeks but would be record colds, colder than ever. A normal winter here is "supposed" to be two straight weeks of weather in the 40 belows, with the occasional day at 50 below, from mid-end of January to beginging of February. This area is also known to be the most humid oen in Canada, and by far. Only, we were so used to it that we did not find it humid ourselves…Until the climate changes that started around ‘95. Man, what awful humidity levels. 95 was a summer with 100 percent humidity *all the time*. It woudl rain? No difference, it woudl remain 100 pecent humidity just the same! No one had airco in Canada then save Amerian restaurant chains and shoppign centres. That year, in June, airco was backorder until end of October…. It never went away since….It is as if the humidity levels tripled. I noticed many types of trees that never coudl grow here when I was a kid now propagating like bad weeds, and even eating our foests away, choking other trees. Exactly like bad weed…Animals are also lost at times… Bears not hibenating yet in Late December and coming in the cities to try and find food, scne all is covered in snow…Two years ago they ahd to kill many of them: they would shoot them with anesthetics, have them removed and taken firther n the national park, after marking them. But they coudl see the same ones would comeback, poor things, hungry like mad and going for garbage cans… I saw a fox not two weeks ago on some downtown bridge. This is never good. Means possible rabbies epidemic of major importance this spring… I gues the rain, as iced as it wsa, made them think it was spring time arriving…My own tyrtle did not prepare for hibernation as she usually did, and nwo comes out of hibernation each two three days, which I am sure must affect her entre metabolism…. Some birds known to fly south in winter I saw staying now….Maybe half of them would stay on some years… The same, I had noticed that big black crows had completely vanished since a decade or two and that no oen seemed to notice. In the last years, I saw them reapear. Even in winter! Crows used to be what woudl let us know spring was coming as they all flew South in winter…. We had a few years of the weather being milder in witner, if we no longer had springs anymore (cold and rainy until June 23 or so the last years, save last eyar which was a nice normal childhood dream like spring:), wit a completely rotten wet summer) . I guess the few mild springs, where three eyars ago it was 100 F on March 1 nd never went lower, summer being 114 and up, plus awful humidex (sic) making it in the 120s:(, The mild springs made the birds be lost as to "shoud we leave or stay?" All in all, I don’t think it is a compass they have in their brain so much as a thermometer up their rear end;-). When the wind freezes your tail, you fly away from it, is what I think the entire theory is about;-). Strange changes we have…. I had lived long enough before 95 to know tht weather was not supposed to change patterns *that* fast. I amglad I was born in better weather days… I ust say that our winters, for the snow falls, and the lenght of time we have snw on the ground, are extremely shorter. It is more like their slowly stretchign over spring, no snow by May in any case:), though I remember snow falls on June 18 of 12 inches (sic) one childhood year, just on time for my summer chool break, bleh:). But our springs now usually are unexistent, and cold rains replaced them from sme time betweenthe end of snow falls till June 21-23, where it suddenly switches from 50 F o 114 plus humidex and stays humid to death, dripping wet humid, where even your clthes in your closet you can wring water out of, no kidding. Donme it for real. You get out of the shower and never dry. I once at in front fo a strong commercial fan I bought to try and dry after a shwer. Sittign right in front of it with wind so strong the furniture almost moved;-). And I still NEVER dried, as the air it threw on me was filled with humidity. It even "rained" in my basement. A very very high humidity n there condensing one evening, and making it be mist ion the basement!! Odd weather changes indeed. El Nino my smurf-o!;-) Anyway. Time to wake up….. (and smell the ice sculptures, hehehe. Winterlude shoudl be on … read more »

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Your Name Here=Harvey (k…@ing.notin.aus) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <css31d$jn…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… >>I’d like to bring one of them philosophers over here and sit them on a >>snow bank (rather ice banks this year), and ask them "Is it as Cold for >>you, dear?? Is "Hot" still relative???? Can you still claim you can not say >>how cold this cold is for me right now? Fine. I will just wait till you beg >>for mercy to let you indoors. THEN you’ll be as cold as me. Or rather as >>cold as I was before I got in. Or was it me that got indoors, since I am >>no the same one as the one who was cold just before outdoors for having >>lived another fraction in time? Maybe it ainlt me. Maybe you’ll knock at >>the wrong door. Maybe I just wonlt be there anymore to open. Someone new >>will look at you and not open for not knowing you, cause you wonlt be the >>same you as the you the oen that n longer is me knew or thought she knew >>in her illusion of reality out there in the hot-cold. >>C > Cold is relative.

Gngngn….;-) Not in Gateau. The city plow rolled the last philosopher to the snow blower, yesterday… The crowd was deliriously happy, and "Relative *this*!!" fused from everywhere… > If you’re hungry and hadn’t much to eat at all – the cold will get to you. > If you’ve played a good two hours of volleyball in which you enjoyed > yourself, your body temperature will be up, and your biological processes > in a heightened state of awareness – you’ll be OK for another two hours > in spite of the cold.

And then die automatically as your nostrils and lips glue together on your way back home. That is, two feet from the gym doors…;-) > I guess that’s why I look forward to playing a lot of volleyball during > winter – to chase those blues away…

Good for you, your Warmthness!:) Just be sure to shove vaseline up your nose and on your lips before you leave the gym….;-)  > > I guess it’s a case of acknowledging it’s bloody cold! and then stop > moaning about it…

Yup. You’re like me. You catch fast if moaned to slowly;-):)  > It does get cold here — I wear thermal underwear, and at least two > layers of underwear, plus a scarf. That helps…

And to think, *it is full summer* where you live!!!;-) Imagine you’d be in winter, now…? Sheesh!;-):):) Must be hard to walk with 6 thermal underwears…Even more so when wearing them!:) <having flashes of some super bundled team of players having a volleyball game, wearing a full lenght snow suit (each, hopefully…) to cover the 6 layers of Long John’s… Wonder if they’d have to do slow motion for the replays….?;-);-):):) P.S.: How do you think we invented hockey??;-) We found the frozen head of a philosopher, and tried to kick it in the snow blower’s "mouth", what else!;-) C  >  > Harvey —

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I’d like to bring one of them philosophers over here and sit them on a snow bank (rather ice banks this year), and ask them "Is it as Cold for you, dear?? Is "Hot" still relative???? Can you still claim you can not say how cold this cold is for me right now? Fine. I will just wait till you beg for mercy to let you indoors. THEN you’ll be as cold as me. Or rather as cold as I was before I got in. Or was it me that got indoors, since I am no the same one as the one who was cold just before outdoors for having lived another fraction in time? Maybe it ainlt me. Maybe you’ll knock at the wrong door. Maybe I just wonlt be there anymore to open. Someone new will look at you and not open for not knowing you, cause you wonlt be the same you as the you the oen that n longer is me knew or thought she knew in her illusion of reality out there in the hot-cold. C —

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In article <css31d$jn…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’d like to bring one of them philosophers over here and sit them on a >snow bank (rather ice banks this year), and ask them "Is it as Cold for >you, dear?? Is "Hot" still relative???? Can you still claim you can not say >how cold this cold is for me right now? Fine. I will just wait till you beg >for mercy to let you indoors. THEN you’ll be as cold as me. Or rather as >cold as I was before I got in. Or was it me that got indoors, since I am >no the same one as the one who was cold just before outdoors for having >lived another fraction in time? Maybe it ainlt me. Maybe you’ll knock at >the wrong door. Maybe I just wonlt be there anymore to open. Someone new >will look at you and not open for not knowing you, cause you wonlt be the >same you as the you the oen that n longer is me knew or thought she knew >in her illusion of reality out there in the hot-cold. >C

Cold is relative. If you’re hungry and hadn’t much to eat at all – the cold will get to you. If you’ve played a good two hours of volleyball in which you enjoyed yourself, your body temperature will be up, and your biological processes in a heightened state of awareness – you’ll be OK for another two hours in spite of the cold. I guess that’s why I look forward to playing a lot of volleyball during winter – to chase those blues away… I guess it’s a case of acknowledging it’s bloody cold! and then stop moaning about it… It does get cold here — I wear thermal underwear, and at least two layers of underwear, plus a scarf. That helps… Harvey

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Spring, Summer,Fall, Winter and Spring

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Korean, right?  I think we gave it a miss when it came through our local "art" cinema.   After inflicting Dogville on my wife (I have more patience for non-traditional narratives than she does) I’m going to have to wait a bit before suggesting an asian movie with (if I remember reviews correctly) virtually no dialogue! She’s still mad at me about Dogville.  3 hours long,  characters who were caricatures, and set on a chalkboard!  You and I will have to just agree to disagree on this one.         Doug

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news:27wty2icpq.fsf@ethel.the.log… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > > Spring, Summer,Fall, Winter and Spring > Korean, right?  I think we gave it a miss when it came through our > local "art" cinema. > After inflicting Dogville on my wife (I have more patience for > non-traditional narratives than she does) I’m going to have to wait a > bit before suggesting an asian movie with (if I remember reviews > correctly) virtually no dialogue! > She’s still mad at me about Dogville.  3 hours long,  characters who > were caricatures, and set on a chalkboard!  You and I will have to > just agree to disagree on this one. >         Doug

Your right, it has virtually no dialogue. It is pictorially quite beautiful and it is of course supposedly very representative of the Buddhist mindset. Both Estelle and I were rather taken in by it even though we didn’t quite get it. It gave us food for conversation about our separate interpretations. I just received The Five Obstructions from Netflix. Another Lars Von Trier movie. Did you see that one? By the way, I had never heard of him before this. I do understand what you mean by how long it is. I too had problems with how slowly it develops but I was cheering at the end.

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"urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > I just received The Five Obstructions > from Netflix. Another Lars Von Trier movie. Did you see that one?

I haven’t seen that.  A more interesting (to me) movie he made was "Breaking the Waves."  (This movie deals with the sort of hypothetical scenarios that sometimes come up on ASM.)  Another movie of his (which I haven’t seen, but wanted to until I saw Dogville is "Dancer in the Dark." > By the way, I had never heard of him before this.

He is a well-known (in some ways) director.  He was one of the principals behind "Dogma 95"  (Look it up on google) which was sort of silly (I think they’ve _all_ broken their "Vow of Chastity") but they did have a genuine point. > I do understand > what you mean by how long it is. I too had problems with how slowly > it develops but I was cheering at the end.

I was cheering too!  But mainly because it was ending. Seriously,  I don’t know if you remember but the movie was in 9 acts. I felt like (say) Acts 1, 2, 6 and 9 would have been sufficient for me. S P O I L E R S P A C E So I thought that Grace was meant to represent Christ, that James Caan was meant to represent the O.T. god, and that the movie was an exploration of what would have happened if Christ decided he didn’t want to die for man’s sins after the way he had been treated. OK, as a concept,  but my big problem was not being able to care about _any_ of the denizens of Dogville, and only being able to care a little bit about Grace. On the other hand, as you point out,  it did give some stuff to think about.         Doug

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news:c61xga17wq.fsf@ethel.the.log… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > > I just received The Five Obstructions > > from Netflix. Another Lars Von Trier movie. Did you see that one? > I haven’t seen that.  A more interesting (to me) movie he made was > "Breaking the Waves."  (This movie deals with the sort of hypothetical > scenarios that sometimes come up on ASM.)  Another movie of his (which > I haven’t seen, but wanted to until I saw Dogville is "Dancer in the > Dark." > > By the way, I had never heard of him before this. > He is a well-known (in some ways) director.  He was one of the > principals behind "Dogma 95"  (Look it up on google) which was sort of > silly (I think they’ve _all_ broken their "Vow of Chastity") but they > did have a genuine point. > > I do understand > > what you mean by how long it is. I too had problems with how slowly > > it develops but I was cheering at the end. > I was cheering too!  But mainly because it was ending. > Seriously,  I don’t know if you remember but the movie was in 9 acts. > I felt like (say) Acts 1, 2, 6 and 9 would have been sufficient for > me. > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > P > A > C > E > So I thought that Grace was meant to represent Christ, that James Caan > was meant to represent the O.T. god, and that the movie was an > exploration of what would have happened if Christ decided he didn’t > want to die for man’s sins after the way he had been treated. > OK, as a concept,  but my big problem was not being able to care about > _any_ of the denizens of Dogville, and only being able to care a > little bit about Grace. > On the other hand, as you point out,  it did give some stuff to > think about. >         Doug

I did see "Breaking The Waves". I enjoyed that when I first saw it. I never really knew the director. I got that the characters were representing Christ and God. Estelle and I discussed it. Your analysis of the "what if…" is the best interpretation and most illuminating. Thanks for that, it makes it all a bit more clear.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovet…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:c61xga17wq.fsf@ethel.the.log… > > "urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > > > I just received The Five Obstructions > > > from Netflix. Another Lars Von Trier movie. Did you see that one? > > I haven’t seen that.  A more interesting (to me) movie he made was > > "Breaking the Waves."  (This movie deals with the sort of hypothetical > > scenarios that sometimes come up on ASM.)  Another movie of his (which > > I haven’t seen, but wanted to until I saw Dogville is "Dancer in the > > Dark." > > > By the way, I had never heard of him before this. > > He is a well-known (in some ways) director.  He was one of the > > principals behind "Dogma 95"  (Look it up on google) which was sort of > > silly (I think they’ve _all_ broken their "Vow of Chastity") but they > > did have a genuine point. > > > I do understand > > > what you mean by how long it is. I too had problems with how slowly > > > it develops but I was cheering at the end. > > I was cheering too!  But mainly because it was ending. > > Seriously,  I don’t know if you remember but the movie was in 9 acts. > > I felt like (say) Acts 1, 2, 6 and 9 would have been sufficient for > > me. > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > So I thought that Grace was meant to represent Christ, that James Caan > > was meant to represent the O.T. god, and that the movie was an > > exploration of what would have happened if Christ decided he didn’t > > want to die for man’s sins after the way he had been treated. > > OK, as a concept,  but my big problem was not being able to care about > > _any_ of the denizens of Dogville, and only being able to care a > > little bit about Grace. > > On the other hand, as you point out,  it did give some stuff to > > think about. > >         Doug > I did see "Breaking The Waves". I enjoyed that when I first saw it. > I never really knew the director. > I got that the characters were representing Christ and God. Estelle > and I discussed it. Your analysis of the "what if…" is the best > interpretation and most illuminating. Thanks for that, it makes it > all a bit more clear.

Or I’m just out of my mind.  But that is what it seemed like to me. This was really the one part of the movie that I enjoyed – Grace’s conversation with the James Caan character. Part of it was trying to figure out what they were talking about, and part of it was that neither of them seemed to be sleepwalking!

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No Honest Americans US Citizens Cheer Their Criminal Nation Savaging The Whole World By John Kaminski 3-30-4 The presidential election, Bush vs. Kerry, what a joke! Two privileged plutocrats, two psychotic perverts from the same demonic college fraternity, neither ever had to hold a job, each advocating continuing crimes against humanity, even against their own people. And to make matters worse, they no longer count the votes honestly. The computer spits out a predetermined total, and the TV whores tell you to believe it. And just like in the election itself, you have no real choice. Two spoiled children of privilege, born into incomprehensible wealth, constantly gathering more as they go on their immoral ways, devising ever more evil strategies by which to fleece the slaves of the world, preparing to divide America into armed camps, all the while taking their lead from the evil Israelis, who build walls against humanity and murder whomever they please. The few people who try to point out the injustice are either prohibited from speaking or thrown into jail without trial, or outright murdered. The new American way is the old Israeli way. But Americans embrace it, as they continue their sleepwalking march toward slavery and oblivion. Cheering with empty eyes as they go. Does it not strike you as odd " assuming you are a thinking, feeling human being not yet too retarded by flouride, chemtrails, food additives, antidepressants and demonically engineered food that will eventually poison you to death " that there is not a single principled public figure in America who has pointed out that America’s rape of Iraq violates every international law and moral precept that has ever been written by the great minds of the past? That the dispersal of uranium all over Central Asia will kill millions? That the clumsy coverup of the inside job of mass murder on 9/11 was the ultimate betrayal of all Americans? What ARE Americans doing? Cowering in their undefendable homes and waiting for the end? Does it not strike you as odd that no one speaks out about America’s crimes against the world? Against poor people everywhere? Against its own citizens? Now the real deal is on the table. A New Orleans judge has ruled that the cops can invade your own home without a warrant. That’s the end of the Fourth Amendment, a citizen’s protection against unreasonable search and seizure, the very basis of freedom in America. This is merely the expected verification of the Patriot Act, that Soviet-style law that allows the government to control every aspect of your life. Now, no one is safe from American tyranny. 1984 has finally arrived. And no one speaks out against it. How dumbed down we have become. Nobody even paid attention to the recent 9/11 conference in San Francisco, which was sparsely attended. Same with the recent peace marches marking the first anniversary of the American invasion of Iraq. But that may be because participants were afraid to ask the hard questions, intimidated as they were by a choking climate of mindless flag-waving that refuses to consider the real evidence or challenge the lies that are being told every day by our bought-off media. The 9/11 critics and those who marched with signs merely nibbled around the edges of the problem, pointing out inconsistencies here and anomalies there. They didn’t come out screaming for blood, for retribution, for justice, that America’s governmental system is a criminal enterprise that kills innocent people on a daily basis. And as a result, the thugs in power just ignored them and kept telling their same old lies. There is no evidence Arab hijackers did the dirty deed on 9/11. If there was, don’t you think they would have released it, would have trumpeted it to the skies, and said, "Look, here is the proof we were telling the truth." If they had that evidence, you can be sure they would release it. But they haven’t released it, which means they don’t have it. Forget about all this barking about Richard Clarke and Condoleeza Rice and what Bush knew and when he might have known it. These are all side issues meant to distract you from the real issue. The real issue is that Arab hijackers DIDN’T do it, or we would have heard the evidence by now, two and a half years later. So the real question is not about the 9/11 panel, or who said what to whom. The real question is who did it. And it wasn’t Arab hijackers. So who does that leave? America is a criminal state, flouting international law and laughing about it. Our president makes jokes about the lies he told to enrich his crony corporate accomplices with the scam in Iraq. He makes jokes about the lies he told that cost the lives of hundreds of American service people, not to mention tens of thousands of innocent civilians abroad. He makes jokes about it. And most Americans laugh with him. And wave their flags. And laugh as they break the law. There is no law in America now. Only tyranny. Only bought-off judges who allow the rich to steal from the poor, and imprison the poor who break no law at all. At the same time they open the borders so hungry immigrants from Third World disaster countries (disasters engineered by oppression from the United States) can stream into the country and lower the standard of living for everyone else. Except the rich patricians who can get away with anything. They are allowed to commit crimes because it’s profitable, and they pay off the judges and politicians who allow them to keep doing it. You should no longer be nursing the delusion that Americans are suddenly going to awaken and rectify the injustices, and America is going to suddenly return to the bastion of peace and freedom it always insisted it was. It’s not going to happen. Too much blood, too many toxic substances and greasy lies have passed over the dam, have been vomited all over the floor of public discussion by those who don’t tell the truth about anything. Nobody in the government is telling the truth about anything, and it has been going on for a long time. Full article at http://rense.com/general50/honest.htm John Kaminski is the author of "America’s Autopsy Report," a collection of his Internet essays posted on hundreds of websites around the world. More recently he has written a booklet titled "The Day America Died: Why You Shouldn’t Believe the Official Story of What Happened on September 11, 2001." More information about both of these books can be found at http://www.johnkaminski.com/

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Americans are proof that uneducated humans are merely pack animals.  As long as they have something in their cud to chew on and a bible in their hand to thump on they be doin’ jus’ fine. Murdering, ignorant, traitors to the very ideals of their own country. These fundamentalist christians are just as bad as zionist jews.  Lie, cheat, steal and murder, so long as it’s done with some insane concept of god in mind. A horrible shame and disgrace.  Too bad John McCain doesn’t have the balls to stand up and do something.   He was America’s only hope. Kerry?  Bush?   Vomit!

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Then please stop coming here!

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Americans are proof that uneducated humans are merely pack animals.  As long as they have something in their cud to chew on and a bible in their hand to thump on they be doin’ jus’ fine. Murdering, ignorant, traitors to the very ideals of their own country. These fundamentalist christians are just as bad as zionist jews.  Lie, cheat, steal and murder, so long as it’s done with some insane concept of god in mind. A horrible shame and disgrace.  Too bad John McCain doesn’t have the balls to stand up and do something.   He was America’s only hope. Kerry?  Bush?   Vomit!

Is this a ‘bot? There are no signs of intelligence here either. —– Talk to the finger, ’cause it don’t deserve a whole hand.

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I have way too much fun pissing off the bush worshipers. Go worship your master bushies.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then please stop coming here! Americans are proof that uneducated humans are merely pack animals.  As long as they have something in their cud to chew on and a bible in their hand to thump on they be doin’ jus’ fine. Murdering, ignorant, traitors to the very ideals of their own country. These fundamentalist christians are just as bad as zionist jews.  Lie, cheat, steal and murder, so long as it’s done with some insane concept of god in mind. A horrible shame and disgrace.  Too bad John McCain doesn’t have the balls to stand up and do something.   He was America’s only hope. Kerry?  Bush?   Vomit!

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HOWEDY liea,

We have no way of knowing what dogs are thinking,

That so?  but there’s no reason to assume a dog’s dream is a nightmare.

The dog is SCREAMIN and he can be heard througHOWET the whole HOWES, liea. The growly noises, little yips,  paw and leg movements could all be indications of the greatest dream in the world.

Yeah. All EXXXCEPT that the dog is SCREAMIN.  He could be running around in dog heaven for all we know.

Like when your dog Cubbe escapes your shock fence, liea? I don’t study this academically,

Right. As a matter of fact, you’re a liar and dog abuser and mental case.  but every time a popular article comes out on sleep and dream research comes out, I’m interested in reading it.

Yeah.   Part of what I understand about rapid eye movement sleep or dream sleep is that the twitching movements have to do with different parts of  our brain being asleep while others don’t shut down in the same way.

That so? CITES PLEASE? We don’t move because we can’t.

Well, as a dream EXXXPERT you’re a better dog trainin EXXXPERT. Let your dog sleep while he’s dreaming.

Unless he’s havin a nightmare.   That’s not because it is a safety precaution against getting bitten.  That’s because we all need to sleep and dream.

Right. He needs the rest so let him get it.

Despite that he’s havin a nightmare. –Lia

You’re a MENTAL CASE a LIAR and a DOG ABUSER: "I’d call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won’t touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching Cubbe all day today, I’m convinced that the shaking is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I’ll continue keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything up, I don’t see symptoms of anything neurological– and the vet agrees. –Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV" Here’s Cubbe ATTACKING a neighbor’s dog just last week, and previHOWEsly attacking liea’s only friend and assaulting a couple kids and escaping her surrHOWEND SHOCK SYSTEM, which MADE HER AGGRESSIVE: "It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With Her Usual ZAP Collar – The 10 Year Old Child Went To Give Cubbe A Hug  She Gave A Snarl-Snap  Cubbe Got Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times were when we first got her before she’d had any training and before we got the electric fence to reinforce the physical one. It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was horrible for us. She had a blast running free and chasing whatever she wanted. For us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we tried to catch her. Luckily there wasn’t too much traffic yesterday morning. It had snowed, and the streets weren’t quite clear yet. Jim finally caught her when she was preoccupied with her head down a hole. For 2 years I’ve been giving her a daily long walk in the neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash. She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions. She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets intermittent treats for those recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free in the backyard. Her recalls are less reliable there, but I’ve been working on them. I haven’t been as good about introducing the variable reinforcement there, but I have been good about making sure that she’s never tricked into coming into the house when she’d rather be outside. I always call her, give her a treat or praise and let her go again. So I haven’t been a perfect dog trainer, but I don’t think I’m a terrible one. I say that because I’m about to ask y’all for some help in correcting my mistakes, and while I don’t mind criticism for past mistakes, I am hoping you’ll concentrate on what I should do now. Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time. I’d gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave when she escaped straight through the front door and right in front of our noses. She was still wearing the zap collar, but the battery was low. She gave a small yip when she went over the wire, and the chase ensued. We were careful not to scold her once she was caught. Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collar now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to come in when I went to call her. From her excited behavior, I could tell that she fully expected to be let out the front door again so she could have another fun romp in the neighborhood. I’m so filled with anxiety from yesterday’s escapade that I keep checking for her every time I open the door. Later in the afternoon, she was much worse about coming when called even from the backyard. My specific questions: How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows when she’s in a confined space and when she isn’t? She normally only wears the zap collar when she’s in the backyard because the wire goes around the house and could zap her when she’s near certain windows inside. If I let her get zapped at the front door with the zap collar, can I still take the zap collar off and walk her out the front door with her leash on? I don’t want her to become afraid of the front door. What’s the best emergency procedure if, god forbid, it should happen again? Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques? By this I mean, I’ve been using clicker and treats for Cubbe because she so obviously freaked when we used leash corrections and scoldings when we first got her. I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I’ll state my opinion once and won’t defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but we’ve come a long way since then. She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she’s been rewarded for coming, but she’s never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell? Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3 daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and were having a blast clicker training her. I was impressed with how quickly they caught on and how little correction they needed to be consistent with the clicks and treats. Cubbe was fine with the children; she always has been. Just as they were getting ready to go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug. Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined because she gave a snarl-snap. I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled, turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn’t frightened at all, and her parents who were also right there hadn’t realized what had happened. I then asked the snarlee to rub Cubbe’s belly further to reinforce that Cubbe is the submissive one in that relationship. I let Cubbe up and all was fine. I suppose that’s another issue, but I bring it up as part of wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now. Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing with Cubbe the escapee? –Lia

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need help deciding if I have a real problem with Cubbe that needs immediate attention or if I’m imagining trouble where there is none. Here’s what happened last April the way I described it to a friend at the time: I’m worried about Cubbe.  Or rather, I’m kicking myself for doing something stupid.  Ellie has been over many times and has always gotten along great with Cubbe.  Cubbe is always at the door when I let Ellie in. She’s barky-protective but then stops barking once Ellie is inside.  She’s never shown any real aggression.  The other night Ellie and I went out together to run an errand. Ellie was coming in the house with packages so I came in first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with Jim so Ellie could get through the door more easily.  I could hear Cubbe barking. Once Ellie was inside, I opened the bedroom door for Cubbe. She ran out to attack the intruder.  Ellie was trying to be friendly. Ellie put a tooth in Ellie’s finger.  Granted the resulting scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed when they get dry and I don’t rub lotion into  them every night, but Ellie was understandably scared. Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away.  I got Ellie some alcohol and a bandage.  The scary thing is that, even though the damage is minor, it does qualify as a bite since Cubbe did mean to do it.  I guess I should just learn from it and never let Cubbe greet someone like that again, but I’m horribly torn up. I’ve said that I would never keep an aggressive dog.  Now the whole issue is so complicated.  Cubbe is great even with kids when we meet them in the neighborhood. Since then I’ve been careful not to do anything like that. Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the night in the computer room with Jim while I answered the door.  She did bark each time she heard the doorbell ring.  We did nothing to discourage that.  We want her to be barky protective so it made sense for her to bark when she heard people

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HOWEDY atom1,

I’m typing this while my dog is at my feet deep, deep in sleep- barking and growling and his paws are flailing as if he’s running.

Your dog is probably havin a nightmare. First- are you supposed to not wake them when this happening

Would you prefer to be awoken from a nightmare to find you’re in a real life nightmare or would you prefer to finish your sleeping nightmare to awaken on your own to realize you’re in a real life nightmare?  for fear of bite or something like a sleepwalking person?

That’s an old wives tail, like most of the "information" you’ll find here abHOWETS.   Does anyone know if this is a just dreaming

EveryWON dreams. EveryWON has nightmares. EveryWON prefers NOT to have nightmares. Some of us accomplish that state of mind. Other’s of us take anti psychotic medications for twenty years with no remission from MENTAL ILLNESS. or nightmares

Nightmares are CAUSED by stress of daily life. we can hear him in a very dense big house in the other room.

Yeah. Sometimes his eyes are open but he’s clearly sleeping (snoring) it’s pretty creepy when he does that btw.

Yeah. Creepy. He does this pretty frequently,

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has noticed HIS dogs seldom have those kinds of dreams.  I’ve never waken him on purpose, but am wondering if I should-

All depends on what you’re gonna awaken him to. if it’s good like he’s chasing a meatwagon

Could be. Does he usually cry and whimper when he’s chasin a meat wagon? or is something trying to eat him!

Could be he’s thinkin of his trainin lessons. Thanks again-

You’re welcome.  learning lots here.

INDEED. Michelle

You been takin your medications? Italy

Decent people don’t post here abHOWETS, michelle. Here’s a sample of the liars dog abusers and active long term incurable MENTAL PATIENTS you’re askin for advice: "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House Cats? lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs: ‘This Article Is Something We’ve Put Together For SF GSD Rescue’  How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay – this is going to be a bit loooong  - Lynn K. "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.  Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper use.   Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars.  At that time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or whatever other reward system was being used."  Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog.   I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation.   Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is why you have the dog muzzled).   If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your voice and the collar.  This is important – the correction must be physically very strong – not a nag.   (PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all).  "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed  every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the  effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the  older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.  Should I have refused to groom them?  Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who  had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."  Lynn K.  lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:  For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and  pass it through the crate door.  Attach a line to it.  When he barks, use the line for a correction.  - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.  Lynn K.

 "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in  one shelter.)  But their ability to set their own  schedules and duties causes a great deal of  scheduling overhead.  And it takes effort and thought to ensure that  volunteers get the meaningful experience that  they work for.  Someone has to be responsible for that  Volunteer Program, and it is best done  by a non-volunteer."  Lynn K.  "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed  every adoptable dog on intake.  I frankly felt that the  effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the  older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.  Should I have refused to groom them?  Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who  had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."  Lynn K. NHOWE here she’s gonna lie abHOWET IT:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. In the posts below you take responsibility for making those calls. In your post above, you state you do not make those calls. Which one is it? : Nope, Bob.  Mikey isn’t a stupid man and he knows well the difference between: 1.  A non-shelter rescue group that occasionally has to put a dog down for health or temperament reasons.  (Yep, I’m involved with that.) : 2.  A trainer hired to evaluate a dog who might determine the dog is potentially dangerous. (Yes, again, I’ve been in that position.) : 3.  Public pounds that routinely kill stray and abandoned animals.  (Nope, I only pull animals from those pounds into the private rescue programs.)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. Nope. The error that you (and Mikey) are making is that evaluating a dog is not the same as putting it on the kill list. There are lots of factors that go into that decision that have nothing to do with evaluations at all. Unfortunately your assumption is probably common among people who are not at all familiar with the way that shelters and rescues work. Mikey is, of course, welcome to volunteer to evaluate dogs at his local shelter. Whether they respect him enough to take his opinions into consideration one whit is, of course, up to him. Dianne Well, I stand corrected. Thanks.

Seems the only thing you’ve ever written that you NEVER DENIED is THIS:                          WORDS OF WISDOM                     from our own Lynn Kosmakos       1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day                           For Twenty Years    I THINK I’M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM  "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression)    requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day.    I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more,    while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned.    But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every    other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."   "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn    the right to participate in by observing the easily    understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways."    Lynn K. LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar conversation on Mental problems.  LYNN AND LOIS Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined But I think what Lois was referring to was the fact that Darlene actually stated at some point that she was bipolar–and, IIRC, that meds did not work for her–so she was prone to major-league ups and downs and sudden enthusiasms..

  "It wasn’t that meds didn’t work for her – she wouldn’t take   them. I particularly remember a comment she made about   scarey side effects of Lithium.  Hardly.  After 17 years on   it, I think I’m qualified to say that the very low risk of   any side effect is far less frightening than the very real   dangers of life without it."   Lynn K. LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read  "The Unquiet Mind"?

  Yeah.  It’s interesting, but kind of watered down for the   mass market, if you know what I mean.  There’s really quite   a lot of good work out there and decent research.  Thank   God.   Lynn K. MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!" MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR… YOU DO THE MATH "What’s really terrific, is now days you can say proudly, ‘I take anti-depressives’"   BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS   "I don’t take lithium, but I’ve been on trycyclics for about   22 years. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt to prove   it. What’s really terrific, is now days you can say proudly,   "I take

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I hate Simon.

I felt the same way when I first read what he had said, but quickly changed my mind. Remember, we are talking about Sharon O. She has said, and done some very fucked up things in her time for publicity, and me personally question everything that woman says. She will, and has done some questionable things to get people talking. I could *never* even fathom staging my own pets death, and acting that *skit* out on tv just for the shock value. You have to be mentally ill to even think of such a plan, or go with such a story line like that. That’s supposed to be her precious baby, and where she found the humor in that finale is beyond me. For christ sake, she even got everyone to believe she left poor Ozzy over that, and not to mention, she made her own son Jack look like a nut with that whole thoughts of killing people while sleepwalking storyline.

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Look here Slawdog……I think you’re the one who SUCKS! …….But that’s my opinion. I think you’re just jealous.

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I shouldn’t even need to post this, but someone comes whining that they missed these things the following day, even after a heads up days in advance. Anywho, the Interview with Diane Sawyer will be on ABC, on her show Primetime at 10pm est. I just saw a clip a bit ago, and Sharon was there with Ozzy, Jack, and Kelly, and the road manager who saved his life will all be talking for the full one hour special. Set your Tiv0 or vcr folks bbl

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I shouldn’t even need to post this, but someone comes whining that they missed these things the following day, even after a heads up days in advance. Anywho, the Interview with Diane Sawyer will be on ABC, on her show Primetime at 10pm est. I just saw a clip a bit ago, and Sharon was there with Ozzy, Jack, and Kelly, and the road manager who saved his life will all be talking for the full one hour special. Set your Tiv0 or vcr folks bbl

Thanks Cherri, now if I can get hubby’s nose outta the tv, I can set the

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I shouldn’t even need to post this, but someone comes whining that they missed these things the following day, even after a heads up days in advance. Anywho, the Interview with Diane Sawyer will be on ABC, on her show Primetime at 10pm est. I just saw a clip a bit ago, and Sharon was there with Ozzy, Jack, and Kelly, and the road manager who saved his life will all be talking for the full one hour special. Set your Tiv0 or vcr folks bbl

seen it.. it was very good and a relief to see him. I hope he can be there this summer at the gig in wpb

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I hate Simon. YFIO G:)

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A couple nights ago was the second time this has happened to me. If it just felt like a dream that would be fine.. and I know sometimes dreams seem so real but this is more than that, it actually FELT real. You know how when you have a pain in reality, that sometimes it’ll become incorporated into your dream, because it is indeed real? Well this is how this seems. The first time I had it it was cool, but the second time scared me.  The first time I found myself in the bathroom, lying on the floor.  It was great because I wanted to float and I was weightless, so I was able to.  But then there was also this strange like, forcing feeling I can’t explain, like as if I couldn’t breathe or something.  Now the second time wasn’t as pleasurable though.  I started out in the bathroom again, laid on the floor.  Yet this time I couldn’t float, but I was able to fall down on the ground without hurting myself.  Then I had that terrible forcing feeling again, as if I couldn’t breathe. Then I looked in the mirror, then left the bathroom, walking through the kitchen, and back to my bed.. then I woke up. I was frightened after that second dream for some reason.. I guess it’s that weird not being able to breathe feeling.. but more that it actually feels as though I was actually sleepwalking.  In the dream, I feel that I am in a half-sleeping state, really walking around in real life half asleep, half awake.  So it causes me to wonder if it’s really real or not. But my mom was home, and didn’t see me leave my room or anything.  And I know I wasn’t really floating the first time obviously, but I woke up feeling dizzy and everything and I honestly wondered for awhile, if maybe I truly was in the bathroom, having an out-of-body experience or something.  Can anyone relate to this, and does anyone have any idea what can trigger this, and most of all what can be happening? Thanks for listening, Chris

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I’d say find out if you are snoring. Or if anyone has noticed any breathing/snoring problems while sleeping. Many such dreams happen to folks who have apnea, I’m told. Best bet is to see a sleep doctor and have a sleep test. If you are having breathing trouble while sleeping, it could be any number of things, but they are all treatable. Weird dreams during these problems are very disturbing, but they ARE a side-effect, not a cause of problems. Find the cause. If you DO have a problem with breathing during sleep it could be VERY serious, and treating it could save your life. "Iluvbirdys" <iluvbir…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20031122024806.03567.00000821@mb-m29.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A couple nights ago was the second time this has happened to me. If it just > felt like a dream that would be fine.. and I know sometimes dreams seem so real > but this is more than that, it actually FELT real. You know how when you have a > pain in reality, that sometimes it’ll become incorporated into your dream, > because it is indeed real? Well this is how this seems. > The first time I had it it was cool, but the second time scared me.  The first > time I found myself in the bathroom, lying on the floor.  It was great because > I wanted to float and I was weightless, so I was able to.  But then there was > also this strange like, forcing feeling I can’t explain, like as if I couldn’t > breathe or something.  Now the second time wasn’t as pleasurable though. I > started out in the bathroom again, laid on the floor.  Yet this time I couldn’t > float, but I was able to fall down on the ground without hurting myself. Then > I had that terrible forcing feeling again, as if I couldn’t breathe. Then I > looked in the mirror, then left the bathroom, walking through the kitchen, and > back to my bed.. then I woke up. > I was frightened after that second dream for some reason.. I guess it’s that > weird not being able to breathe feeling.. but more that it actually feels as > though I was actually sleepwalking.  In the dream, I feel that I am in a > half-sleeping state, really walking around in real life half asleep, half > awake.  So it causes me to wonder if it’s really real or not. But my mom was > home, and didn’t see me leave my room or anything.  And I know I wasn’t really > floating the first time obviously, but I woke up feeling dizzy and everything > and I honestly wondered for awhile, if maybe I truly was in the bathroom, > having an out-of-body experience or something.  Can anyone relate to this, and > does anyone have any idea what can trigger this, and most of all what can be > happening? Thanks for listening, > Chris

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"Tell people something they know already and they will thank you for it. Tell them something new and they will hate you for it." "We are not contemplating the end of holidays in Seville. We are contemplating the end of the circumstances which permit most human beings to remain on earth." SLEEPWALKING TO EXTINCTION SOMETHING ABOUT THE HUMAN MIND APPEARS TO PREVENT US FROM GRASPING THE REALITY OF CLIMATE CHANGE By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 12th August 2003 We live in a dreamworld. With a small, rational part of the brain, we recognise that our existence is governed by material realities, and that, as those realities change, so will our lives. But underlying this awareness is the deep semi-consciousness which absorbs the moment in which we live then generalises it, projecting our future lives as repeated instances of the present. This, not the superficial world of our reason, is our true reality. All that separates us from the indigenous people of Australia is that they recognise this and we do not. Our dreaming will, as it has begun to do already, destroy the conditions necessary for human life on earth. Were we governed by reason, we would be on the barricades today, dragging the drivers of Range Rovers and Nissan Patrols out of their seats, occupying and shutting down the coal-burning power stations, bursting in upon the Blairs’ retreat from reality in Barbados and demanding a reversal of economic life as dramatic as the one we bore when we went to war with Hitler. Instead, we whinge about the heat and thumb through the brochures for holidays in Iceland. The future has been laid out before us, but the deep eye with which we place ourselves on earth will not see it. Of course, we cannot say that the remarkable temperatures in Europe this week are the result of global warming. What we can say is that they correspond to the predictions made by climate scientists. As the Met Office reported on Sunday, "all our models have suggested that this type of event will happen more frequently."1 In December it predicted that, as a result of climate change, 2003 would be the warmest year on record.2 Two weeks ago its research centre reported that the temperature rises on every continent matched the predicted effects of climate change caused by human activities, and showed that natural impacts, such as sunspots or volcanic activity, could not account for them.3 Last month the World Meteorological Organisation announced that "the increase in temperature in the 20th century is likely to have been the largest in any century during the past 1000 years", while " the trend for the period since 1976 is roughly three times that for the past 100 years as a whole."4 Climate change, the WMO suggests, provides an explanation not only for record temperatures in Europe and India but also for the frequency of tornadoes in the United States and the severity of the recent floods in Sri Lanka.5 There are, of course, still those who deny that any warming is taking place, or who maintain that it can be explained by natural phenomena. But few of them are climatologists, fewer still are climatologists who do not receive funding from the fossil fuel industry. Their credibility among professionals is now little higher than that of the people who claim that there is no link between smoking and cancer. Yet the prominence the media gives them reflects not only the demands of the car advertisers. We want to believe them, because we wish to reconcile our reason with our dreaming. The extreme events to which climate change appears to have contributed reflect an average rise in global temperatures of 0.6C.6 The consensus among climatologists is that temperatures will rise in the 21st century by between 1.4 and 5.8C: by up to ten times, in other words, the increase we have suffered so far.7 Some climate scientists, recognising that global warming has been retarded by industrial soot, whose levels are now declining, suggest that the maximum should instead be placed between 7 and 10C.8 We are not contemplating the end of holidays in Seville. We are contemplating the end of the circumstances which permit most human beings to remain on earth. Climate change of this magnitude will devastate the earth’s productivity. New research in Australia suggests that the amount of water reaching the rivers will decline by up to four times as fast as the percentage reduction of rainfall in dry areas.9 This, alongside the disappearance of the glaciers, spells the end of irrigated agriculture. Winter flooding and the evaporation of soil moisture in the summer will exert similar effects on rainfed farming. Like crops, humans will simply wilt in some of the hotter parts of the world: the 1500 deaths in India through heat exhaustion this summer may prefigure the necessary evacuation, as temperatures rise, of many of the places currently considered habitable. There is no chance of continuity here; somehow we must persuade our dreamselves to confront the end of life as we know it. Paradoxically, the approach of this crisis corresponds with the approach of another. The global demand for oil is likely to outstrip supply within the next 10 or 20 years. Some geologists believe it may have started already.10 It is tempting to knock the two impending crises together, and to conclude that the second will solve the first. But this is wishful thinking. There is enough oil under the surface of the earth to cook the planet and, as the price rises, the incentive to extract it will increase. Business will turn to even more polluting means of obtaining energy, such as the use of tar sand and oil shale, or "underground coal gasification" (setting fire to coal seams). But because oil in the early stages of extraction is the cheapest and most efficient fuel, the costs of energy will soar, ensuring that we can no longer buy our way out of trouble with air conditioning, water pumping and fuel-intensive farming. So instead we place our faith in technology. In an age in which science is as authoritative but, to most, as inscrutable as God once was, we look to its products much as the people of the Middle Ages looked to divine providence. Somehow "they" will produce and install the devices – the wind turbines or solar panels or tidal barrages – which will solve both problems while ensuring that we need make no change to way we live. But the widespread deployment of these technologies will not happen until rising prices ensure that it becomes a commercial imperative, and by then it is too late. Even so, we could not meet our current levels of consumption without covering almost every yard of land and shallow sea with generating devices. In other words, if we leave the market to govern our politics, we are finished. Only if we take control of our economic lives, and demand and create the means by which we may cut our energy use to 10 or 20% of current levels will we prevent the catastrophe which our rational selves can comprehend. This requires draconian [according to corporate america, not according to those wishing human life on earth survive -ed] regulation, rationing and prohibition: all the measures which our existing politics, informed by our dreaming, forbid. So we slumber through the crisis. Waking up demands that we upset the seat of our consciousness, that we dethrone our deep unreason and usurp it with our rational and predictive minds. Are we capable of this, or are we destined to sleepwalk to extinction? www.monbiot.com References: 1. Reuters, 8th August 2003. Europe’s Heatwave Doesn’t Prove Global Warming. 2. Geoffrey Lean, 29 December 2002. Official: next year will be the hottest since records began. The Independent on Sunday. 3. Meteorological Office, 28th July 2003. Europe and North America warming due to human activity. Press release. 4. World Meteorological Organisation, 2nd July 2003. Extreme Weather Events Might Increase. Press release. 5. ibid. 6. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, 2001. Climate Change 2001, Synthesis Report. 7. ibid 8. Fred Pearce, 4th June 2003. Global warming’s sooty smokescreen revealed. New Scientist. http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993798 9. Research by the Cooperative Research Centre for Catchment Hydrology, cited in The Institute for Sustainable Futures, 2003. Impacts of Climate Change on Water Supplies and Soil. Sydney. 10. See for example Richard Heinburg, 2003. The Party’s Over: Oil, War and the Fate of Industrial Societies. New Society Publishers, Canada; Kenneth S. Deffeyes, 2001. Hubbert’s Peak: The Impending World Oil Shortage. Princeton University Press; Bob Holmes and Nicola Jones, 2nd August 2003. Brace Yourself for the End of Cheap Oil. New Scientist. More info: "The Shadow of Extinction" also by  G. Monbiot: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,988380,00.html and Brace yourself for the end of cheap oil; http://members.aol.com/LSInvestor/smu2/ DON’T MOURN, ACT! WEBSITES FOR ACTION: http://www.greenhousenet.org/ http://www.gristmagazine.com/dogood/climate.asp = = = = STILL FEELING LIKE THE MAINSTREAM U.S. CORPORATE MEDIA IS GIVING A FULL HONEST PICTURE OF WHAT’S GOING ON? = = = = Daily online radio show, news reporting: www.DemocracyNow.org = = = = Sorry we cannot read/reply to most usenet posts but welcome email For more information: http://EconomicDemocracy.org/wtc/ (peace) And http://EconomicDemocracy.org/ (general) ANTI-SPAM EMAIL NOTE: For email "info" and "map" don’t work. Email instead to m-a-i-l-m-a-i-l (without the dashes) at economicdemocracy.org

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Why has PBS never produced a primetime documentary about the passenger pigeon?  This was the most abundant species of bird on earth in 1800, it was something like the fast food hamburger as a cultural and economic phenomenon of 19th century America.  Yet it is not a big deal in any of the popular recountings of American history.  People are not asleep—they are frantically supressing and repressing the awareness of extinctions.

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"Tell people something they know already and they will thank you for it. Tell them something new and they will hate you for it." "We are not contemplating the end of holidays in Seville. We are contemplating the end of the circumstances which permit most human beings to remain on earth." …

30-40 years ago the Club of Rome predicted we would already have reached pollution overload by now. It was new then. Apparently to people like you it is still new.

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OH I see.  If I predict that that if I leave this light bulb lit for three days it will burn out, and six days later it is still lit it will never burn out.

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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, "HumungousFungusAmongUs" <omega.po…@ntlworld.com> wrote: > At least Bush is, by now, a fully posable action figure…?

Perhaps its time for a duel: http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/celebrity/images/StarWars/297-73… Only that Obiwan Ben Kenobi figure costs $375 at auctions. Bu$h is what, two proofs of purchases from Texaco + shipping & handling… AND YOUR SOUL? Bwahhahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa… > "Armageddon Watch" <u358673…@spawnkill.ip-mobilphone.net> wrote in > message news:l.1064002219.1884368896@[207.107.102.20]… >> Planet Full of Doofuses >> by Bob Wallace

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James Monroe <nos…@lessspam.net> wrote in message <news:4mrmmvs98e92h9c8lqfv8rs8toj12fsd9u@4ax.com>… > His supporters are dumber, as hard as that might be to believe. > Similar to that "Heaven’s Gate" moron of years ago. It’s one thing to > be delusional enough to dream up such a thing, entirely different to > hear the idea and think "that sounds reasonable". > The mindless sheep following bush are far dumber. At least bush is > smart enough to do what he’s told by cheney el al.

There’s good reason to believe that W is Cheney’s pawn, but I still think it’s far more likely that George senior calls the shots, and has been AT LEAST since 1980. Or does everyone think that "the Great Communicator" was really in charge? KC

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On 22 Sep 2003 23:40:49 -0700, newmediapr…@yahoo.com (KC Carter) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->James Monroe <nos…@lessspam.net> wrote in message <news:4mrmmvs98e92h9c8lqfv8rs8toj12fsd9u@4ax.com>… >> His supporters are dumber, as hard as that might be to believe. >> Similar to that "Heaven’s Gate" moron of years ago. It’s one thing to >> be delusional enough to dream up such a thing, entirely different to >> hear the idea and think "that sounds reasonable". >> The mindless sheep following bush are far dumber. At least bush is >> smart enough to do what he’s told by cheney el al. >There’s good reason to believe that W is Cheney’s pawn, but I still >think it’s far more likely that George senior calls the shots, and has >been AT LEAST since 1980. Or does everyone think that "the Great >Communicator" was really in charge? >KC

I have no doubt that Georgie Sr. plays a bigger role in US policy than the public will ever know. "Hard work never hurt anyone.But, there’s no point in taking a chance."    Ronald Reagan

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u358673…@spawnkill.ip-mobilphone.net  (Armageddon Watch) wrote in message news:<l.1064002219.1884368896@[207.107.102.20]>… Very interesting and insightful essay. I’m not sure if doofuses run the planet, if such people exist.  I tend to accredit most people, even those who are uneducated, as worthy of intelligence. I think the big problem about most people in charge of running the planet is not that they are doofuses – it’s that far too many don’t consider the *consequences* of their actions.  This is an especially difficult problem because the personalities of many political leaders are not inclined towards much forethought.  And it makes quite a lot of sense.  These days, to assume a position of high responsible, to be a political leader, it means you more or less have to be a workaholic.  There are an incredible number of tasks to do, new information to assimilate, situations to learn, people to address.  It adds up to an infinitely complex set of demands on the leader’s time and resources. A person who takes time to process situations in depth, consider the consequences of decisions, how they affect others, etc. will have an especially tough time in the leader’s seat.  These days it’s all about taking action, and making near instantaneous decisions on the volume of information that comes in.  There just isn’t time to stop and think.  The pace of life is only getting faster, the information deluge more complex. Consider Bush.  He was influenced a lot by his father to get into politics, but consider the amount of work and number of achievements he had to make to get into his present position.  It’s mind-boggling. Years and years of this sort of workaholism conditioned him into the person he is now, and the types of decisions he makes.  He is not inclined towards personal reflection and/or considering how his decisions affect others.  To succeed in his career, he must take action first and think about it later. So it’s not that political leaders are stupid, it’s that the demands and responsibilities of their jobs insist that they make decisions without a lot of forethought. Steve

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"James Monroe" <nos…@lessspam.net> wrote > I have no doubt that Georgie Sr. plays a bigger role in US > policy than the public will ever know.

I dunno. An unnecessary war… thousands of innocents killed… economy in the shit can… All that’s missing is for Dubya to take a trip to the supermarket and wet his pants over the checkout scanner.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -strue…@hotmail.com (Steve Ruelle) wrote in message <news:735ec89b.0309230143.33d6f63f@posting.google.com>… > u358673…@spawnkill.ip-mobilphone.net  (Armageddon Watch) wrote in message news:<l.1064002219.1884368896@[207.107.102.20]>… > Very interesting and insightful essay. > I’m not sure if doofuses run the planet, if such people exist.  I tend > to accredit most people, even those who are uneducated, as worthy of > intelligence. > I think the big problem about most people in charge of running the > planet is not that they are doofuses – it’s that far too many don’t > consider the *consequences* of their actions.  This is an especially > difficult problem because the personalities of many political leaders > are not inclined towards much forethought.  And it makes quite a lot > of sense.  These days, to assume a position of high responsible, to be > a political leader, it means you more or less have to be a workaholic. >  There are an incredible number of tasks to do, new information to > assimilate, situations to learn, people to address.  It adds up to an > infinitely complex set of demands on the leader’s time and resources. > A person who takes time to process situations in depth, consider the > consequences of decisions, how they affect others, etc. will have an > especially tough time in the leader’s seat.  These days it’s all about > taking action, and making near instantaneous decisions on the volume > of information that comes in.  There just isn’t time to stop and > think.  The pace of life is only getting faster, the information > deluge more complex. > Consider Bush.  He was influenced a lot by his father to get into > politics, but consider the amount of work and number of achievements > he had to make to get into his present position.  It’s mind-boggling. > Years and years of this sort of workaholism conditioned him into the > person he is now, and the types of decisions he makes.  He is not > inclined towards personal reflection and/or considering how his > decisions affect others.  To succeed in his career, he must take > action first and think about it later. > So it’s not that political leaders are stupid, it’s that the demands > and responsibilities of their jobs insist that they make decisions > without a lot of forethought. > Steve

Excellent point Steve, and one that’s much more well-thought-out than the basically ad hominem rant of the original article. The downside is that there is much too much data to wade through nowadays to make a timely decision (and in a world which changes this quickly, time is of the essence) so that it’s almost a necessity that partially informed decisions (often resembling those of ‘doofuses’) must be made. The upside is that there is so much information out there that no one person can have a monopoly on knowledge and therefore power.

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