Hey Doug Anderson have you seen……
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Spring, Summer,Fall, Winter and Spring
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"urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > Spring, Summer,Fall, Winter and Spring
Korean, right? I think we gave it a miss when it came through our local "art" cinema. After inflicting Dogville on my wife (I have more patience for non-traditional narratives than she does) I’m going to have to wait a bit before suggesting an asian movie with (if I remember reviews correctly) virtually no dialogue! She’s still mad at me about Dogville. 3 hours long, characters who were caricatures, and set on a chalkboard! You and I will have to just agree to disagree on this one. Doug
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"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovet…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:27wty2icpq.fsf@ethel.the.log… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > > Spring, Summer,Fall, Winter and Spring > Korean, right? I think we gave it a miss when it came through our > local "art" cinema. > After inflicting Dogville on my wife (I have more patience for > non-traditional narratives than she does) I’m going to have to wait a > bit before suggesting an asian movie with (if I remember reviews > correctly) virtually no dialogue! > She’s still mad at me about Dogville. 3 hours long, characters who > were caricatures, and set on a chalkboard! You and I will have to > just agree to disagree on this one. > Doug
Your right, it has virtually no dialogue. It is pictorially quite beautiful and it is of course supposedly very representative of the Buddhist mindset. Both Estelle and I were rather taken in by it even though we didn’t quite get it. It gave us food for conversation about our separate interpretations. I just received The Five Obstructions from Netflix. Another Lars Von Trier movie. Did you see that one? By the way, I had never heard of him before this. I do understand what you mean by how long it is. I too had problems with how slowly it develops but I was cheering at the end.
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"urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > I just received The Five Obstructions > from Netflix. Another Lars Von Trier movie. Did you see that one?
I haven’t seen that. A more interesting (to me) movie he made was "Breaking the Waves." (This movie deals with the sort of hypothetical scenarios that sometimes come up on ASM.) Another movie of his (which I haven’t seen, but wanted to until I saw Dogville is "Dancer in the Dark." > By the way, I had never heard of him before this.
He is a well-known (in some ways) director. He was one of the principals behind "Dogma 95" (Look it up on google) which was sort of silly (I think they’ve _all_ broken their "Vow of Chastity") but they did have a genuine point. > I do understand > what you mean by how long it is. I too had problems with how slowly > it develops but I was cheering at the end.
I was cheering too! But mainly because it was ending. Seriously, I don’t know if you remember but the movie was in 9 acts. I felt like (say) Acts 1, 2, 6 and 9 would have been sufficient for me. S P O I L E R S P A C E So I thought that Grace was meant to represent Christ, that James Caan was meant to represent the O.T. god, and that the movie was an exploration of what would have happened if Christ decided he didn’t want to die for man’s sins after the way he had been treated. OK, as a concept, but my big problem was not being able to care about _any_ of the denizens of Dogville, and only being able to care a little bit about Grace. On the other hand, as you point out, it did give some stuff to think about. Doug
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"Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovet…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c61xga17wq.fsf@ethel.the.log… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > > I just received The Five Obstructions > > from Netflix. Another Lars Von Trier movie. Did you see that one? > I haven’t seen that. A more interesting (to me) movie he made was > "Breaking the Waves." (This movie deals with the sort of hypothetical > scenarios that sometimes come up on ASM.) Another movie of his (which > I haven’t seen, but wanted to until I saw Dogville is "Dancer in the > Dark." > > By the way, I had never heard of him before this. > He is a well-known (in some ways) director. He was one of the > principals behind "Dogma 95" (Look it up on google) which was sort of > silly (I think they’ve _all_ broken their "Vow of Chastity") but they > did have a genuine point. > > I do understand > > what you mean by how long it is. I too had problems with how slowly > > it develops but I was cheering at the end. > I was cheering too! But mainly because it was ending. > Seriously, I don’t know if you remember but the movie was in 9 acts. > I felt like (say) Acts 1, 2, 6 and 9 would have been sufficient for > me. > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > P > A > C > E > So I thought that Grace was meant to represent Christ, that James Caan > was meant to represent the O.T. god, and that the movie was an > exploration of what would have happened if Christ decided he didn’t > want to die for man’s sins after the way he had been treated. > OK, as a concept, but my big problem was not being able to care about > _any_ of the denizens of Dogville, and only being able to care a > little bit about Grace. > On the other hand, as you point out, it did give some stuff to > think about. > Doug
I did see "Breaking The Waves". I enjoyed that when I first saw it. I never really knew the director. I got that the characters were representing Christ and God. Estelle and I discussed it. Your analysis of the "what if…" is the best interpretation and most illuminating. Thanks for that, it makes it all a bit more clear.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > "Doug Anderson" <ethelthelogremovet…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:c61xga17wq.fsf@ethel.the.log… > > "urf" <u…@nospam.com> writes: > > > I just received The Five Obstructions > > > from Netflix. Another Lars Von Trier movie. Did you see that one? > > I haven’t seen that. A more interesting (to me) movie he made was > > "Breaking the Waves." (This movie deals with the sort of hypothetical > > scenarios that sometimes come up on ASM.) Another movie of his (which > > I haven’t seen, but wanted to until I saw Dogville is "Dancer in the > > Dark." > > > By the way, I had never heard of him before this. > > He is a well-known (in some ways) director. He was one of the > > principals behind "Dogma 95" (Look it up on google) which was sort of > > silly (I think they’ve _all_ broken their "Vow of Chastity") but they > > did have a genuine point. > > > I do understand > > > what you mean by how long it is. I too had problems with how slowly > > > it develops but I was cheering at the end. > > I was cheering too! But mainly because it was ending. > > Seriously, I don’t know if you remember but the movie was in 9 acts. > > I felt like (say) Acts 1, 2, 6 and 9 would have been sufficient for > > me. > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > So I thought that Grace was meant to represent Christ, that James Caan > > was meant to represent the O.T. god, and that the movie was an > > exploration of what would have happened if Christ decided he didn’t > > want to die for man’s sins after the way he had been treated. > > OK, as a concept, but my big problem was not being able to care about > > _any_ of the denizens of Dogville, and only being able to care a > > little bit about Grace. > > On the other hand, as you point out, it did give some stuff to > > think about. > > Doug > I did see "Breaking The Waves". I enjoyed that when I first saw it. > I never really knew the director. > I got that the characters were representing Christ and God. Estelle > and I discussed it. Your analysis of the "what if…" is the best > interpretation and most illuminating. Thanks for that, it makes it > all a bit more clear.
Or I’m just out of my mind. But that is what it seemed like to me. This was really the one part of the movie that I enjoyed – Grace’s conversation with the James Caan character. Part of it was trying to figure out what they were talking about, and part of it was that neither of them seemed to be sleepwalking!
