nightmares/dreams
Question:
HOWEDY liea,
We have no way of knowing what dogs are thinking,
That so? but there’s no reason to assume a dog’s dream is a nightmare.
The dog is SCREAMIN and he can be heard througHOWET the whole HOWES, liea. The growly noises, little yips, paw and leg movements could all be indications of the greatest dream in the world.
Yeah. All EXXXCEPT that the dog is SCREAMIN. He could be running around in dog heaven for all we know.
Like when your dog Cubbe escapes your shock fence, liea? I don’t study this academically,
Right. As a matter of fact, you’re a liar and dog abuser and mental case. but every time a popular article comes out on sleep and dream research comes out, I’m interested in reading it.
Yeah. Part of what I understand about rapid eye movement sleep or dream sleep is that the twitching movements have to do with different parts of our brain being asleep while others don’t shut down in the same way.
That so? CITES PLEASE? We don’t move because we can’t.
Well, as a dream EXXXPERT you’re a better dog trainin EXXXPERT. Let your dog sleep while he’s dreaming.
Unless he’s havin a nightmare. That’s not because it is a safety precaution against getting bitten. That’s because we all need to sleep and dream.
Right. He needs the rest so let him get it.
Despite that he’s havin a nightmare. –Lia
You’re a MENTAL CASE a LIAR and a DOG ABUSER: "I’d call the SHOCK fence effective and safe. Humane is one of those hot words that people can debate all day so I won’t touch that one. There are people who would call a regular chain link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
After talking with the vet yesterday and watching Cubbe all day today, I’m convinced that the shaking is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I’ll continue keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything up, I don’t see symptoms of anything neurological– and the vet agrees. –Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day by day and the vets seem unable to help. http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV" Here’s Cubbe ATTACKING a neighbor’s dog just last week, and previHOWEsly attacking liea’s only friend and assaulting a couple kids and escaping her surrHOWEND SHOCK SYSTEM, which MADE HER AGGRESSIVE: "It Was Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With Her Usual ZAP Collar – The 10 Year Old Child Went To Give Cubbe A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap Cubbe Got Cubbe got out in the neighborhood leashless for the first time in roughly 2 years. The first few times were when we first got her before she’d had any training and before we got the electric fence to reinforce the physical one. It was horrible. She paid us no attention, ignored clickers and treats and calls. Make that, it was horrible for us. She had a blast running free and chasing whatever she wanted. For us it was 45 minutes of sheer terror as we tried to catch her. Luckily there wasn’t too much traffic yesterday morning. It had snowed, and the streets weren’t quite clear yet. Jim finally caught her when she was preoccupied with her head down a hole. For 2 years I’ve been giving her a daily long walk in the neighborhood. She now walks pretty nicely on a leash. She gets daily indoor clicker training sessions. She has perfect recalls in the house. She gets intermittent treats for those recalls. She gets plenty of time to run free in the backyard. Her recalls are less reliable there, but I’ve been working on them. I haven’t been as good about introducing the variable reinforcement there, but I have been good about making sure that she’s never tricked into coming into the house when she’d rather be outside. I always call her, give her a treat or praise and let her go again. So I haven’t been a perfect dog trainer, but I don’t think I’m a terrible one. I say that because I’m about to ask y’all for some help in correcting my mistakes, and while I don’t mind criticism for past mistakes, I am hoping you’ll concentrate on what I should do now. Yesterday morning Cubbe had had some nice backyard time. I’d gotten her into the house and was preparing to leave when she escaped straight through the front door and right in front of our noses. She was still wearing the zap collar, but the battery was low. She gave a small yip when she went over the wire, and the chase ensued. We were careful not to scold her once she was caught. Today I let her out in the backyard with her usual zap collar now with a fresh battery. She was waiting by the backdoor to come in when I went to call her. From her excited behavior, I could tell that she fully expected to be let out the front door again so she could have another fun romp in the neighborhood. I’m so filled with anxiety from yesterday’s escapade that I keep checking for her every time I open the door. Later in the afternoon, she was much worse about coming when called even from the backyard. My specific questions: How do I teach recalls when she so clearly knows when she’s in a confined space and when she isn’t? She normally only wears the zap collar when she’s in the backyard because the wire goes around the house and could zap her when she’s near certain windows inside. If I let her get zapped at the front door with the zap collar, can I still take the zap collar off and walk her out the front door with her leash on? I don’t want her to become afraid of the front door. What’s the best emergency procedure if, god forbid, it should happen again? Might Cubbe be ready for harsher training techniques? By this I mean, I’ve been using clicker and treats for Cubbe because she so obviously freaked when we used leash corrections and scoldings when we first got her. I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the whole cruelty thread again so I’ll state my opinion once and won’t defend it further: any method can be cruel for some dogs. Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the beginning, but we’ve come a long way since then. She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she’s been rewarded for coming, but she’s never been punished, even in the mildest way, for not coming. Is it time for that? What might I look for to tell? Last night we had friends over for dinner with their 3 daughters ages 14, 10 and 7. The girls loved Cubbe and were having a blast clicker training her. I was impressed with how quickly they caught on and how little correction they needed to be consistent with the clicks and treats. Cubbe was fine with the children; she always has been. Just as they were getting ready to go, the 10 year old went to give Cubbe a hug. Cubbe must have felt threatened and confined because she gave a snarl-snap. I was right there, and without thinking I quickly yelled, turned Cubbe over on her back, got in the face and let her know that no snarling is allowed. The girl wasn’t frightened at all, and her parents who were also right there hadn’t realized what had happened. I then asked the snarlee to rub Cubbe’s belly further to reinforce that Cubbe is the submissive one in that relationship. I let Cubbe up and all was fine. I suppose that’s another issue, but I bring it up as part of wondering if Cubbe should be trained with punishments now. Like I said, I did that without thinking, and now I think it was the right thing to do. So how do I apply this to dealing with Cubbe the escapee? –Lia
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need help deciding if I have a real problem with Cubbe that needs immediate attention or if I’m imagining trouble where there is none. Here’s what happened last April the way I described it to a friend at the time: I’m worried about Cubbe. Or rather, I’m kicking myself for doing something stupid. Ellie has been over many times and has always gotten along great with Cubbe. Cubbe is always at the door when I let Ellie in. She’s barky-protective but then stops barking once Ellie is inside. She’s never shown any real aggression. The other night Ellie and I went out together to run an errand. Ellie was coming in the house with packages so I came in first and put Cubbe in the bedroom with Jim so Ellie could get through the door more easily. I could hear Cubbe barking. Once Ellie was inside, I opened the bedroom door for Cubbe. She ran out to attack the intruder. Ellie was trying to be friendly. Ellie put a tooth in Ellie’s finger. Granted the resulting scratch was no worse than the way my cuticles bleed when they get dry and I don’t rub lotion into them every night, but Ellie was understandably scared. Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away. I got Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary thing is that, even though the damage is minor, it does qualify as a bite since Cubbe did mean to do it. I guess I should just learn from it and never let Cubbe greet someone like that again, but I’m horribly torn up. I’ve said that I would never keep an aggressive dog. Now the whole issue is so complicated. Cubbe is great even with kids when we meet them in the neighborhood. Since then I’ve been careful not to do anything like that. Then Halloween night Cubbe spent most of the night in the computer room with Jim while I answered the door. She did bark each time she heard the doorbell ring. We did nothing to discourage that. We want her to be barky protective so it made sense for her to bark when she heard people
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Response:
HOWEDY atom1,
I’m typing this while my dog is at my feet deep, deep in sleep- barking and growling and his paws are flailing as if he’s running.
Your dog is probably havin a nightmare. First- are you supposed to not wake them when this happening
Would you prefer to be awoken from a nightmare to find you’re in a real life nightmare or would you prefer to finish your sleeping nightmare to awaken on your own to realize you’re in a real life nightmare? for fear of bite or something like a sleepwalking person?
That’s an old wives tail, like most of the "information" you’ll find here abHOWETS. Does anyone know if this is a just dreaming
EveryWON dreams. EveryWON has nightmares. EveryWON prefers NOT to have nightmares. Some of us accomplish that state of mind. Other’s of us take anti psychotic medications for twenty years with no remission from MENTAL ILLNESS. or nightmares
Nightmares are CAUSED by stress of daily life. we can hear him in a very dense big house in the other room.
Yeah. Sometimes his eyes are open but he’s clearly sleeping (snoring) it’s pretty creepy when he does that btw.
Yeah. Creepy. He does this pretty frequently,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has noticed HIS dogs seldom have those kinds of dreams. I’ve never waken him on purpose, but am wondering if I should-
All depends on what you’re gonna awaken him to. if it’s good like he’s chasing a meatwagon
Could be. Does he usually cry and whimper when he’s chasin a meat wagon? or is something trying to eat him!
Could be he’s thinkin of his trainin lessons. Thanks again-
You’re welcome. learning lots here.
INDEED. Michelle
You been takin your medications? Italy
Decent people don’t post here abHOWETS, michelle. Here’s a sample of the liars dog abusers and active long term incurable MENTAL PATIENTS you’re askin for advice: "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House Cats? lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs: ‘This Article Is Something We’ve Put Together For SF GSD Rescue’ How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay – this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K. "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or whatever other reward system was being used." 
Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don’t forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your voice and the collar. This is important – the correction must be physically very strong – not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all). "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. Should I have refused to groom them? Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K. lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K.
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.) But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition. Should I have refused to groom them? Or even more pertinent – I was one of the people who had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter." Lynn K. NHOWE here she’s gonna lie abHOWET IT:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. In the posts below you take responsibility for making those calls. In your post above, you state you do not make those calls. Which one is it? : Nope, Bob. Mikey isn’t a stupid man and he knows well the difference between: 1. A non-shelter rescue group that occasionally has to put a dog down for health or temperament reasons. (Yep, I’m involved with that.) : 2. A trainer hired to evaluate a dog who might determine the dog is potentially dangerous. (Yes, again, I’ve been in that position.) : 3. Public pounds that routinely kill stray and abandoned animals. (Nope, I only pull animals from those pounds into the private rescue programs.)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. Nope. The error that you (and Mikey) are making is that evaluating a dog is not the same as putting it on the kill list. There are lots of factors that go into that decision that have nothing to do with evaluations at all. Unfortunately your assumption is probably common among people who are not at all familiar with the way that shelters and rescues work. Mikey is, of course, welcome to volunteer to evaluate dogs at his local shelter. Whether they respect him enough to take his opinions into consideration one whit is, of course, up to him. Dianne Well, I stand corrected. Thanks.
Seems the only thing you’ve ever written that you NEVER DENIED is THIS: WORDS OF WISDOM from our own Lynn Kosmakos 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day For Twenty Years I THINK I’M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged." "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn the right to participate in by observing the easily understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways." Lynn K. LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS Almost 50 years on mental illness medications combined But I think what Lois was referring to was the fact that Darlene actually stated at some point that she was bipolar–and, IIRC, that meds did not work for her–so she was prone to major-league ups and downs and sudden enthusiasms..
"It wasn’t that meds didn’t work for her – she wouldn’t take them. I particularly remember a comment she made about scarey side effects of Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I’m qualified to say that the very low risk of any side effect is far less frightening than the very real dangers of life without it." Lynn K. LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND I know I am totally off topic here, but have you read "The Unquiet Mind"?
Yeah. It’s interesting, but kind of watered down for the mass market, if you know what I mean. There’s really quite a lot of good work out there and decent research. Thank God. Lynn K. MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!" MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR… YOU DO THE MATH "What’s really terrific, is now days you can say proudly, ‘I take anti-depressives’" BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS "I don’t take lithium, but I’ve been on trycyclics for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt to prove it. What’s really terrific, is now days you can say proudly, "I take
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