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SAD – or not

admin — Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Just wondering – I figure there may be some people who know about SAD so i’m asking here – anyone ever heard of the opposite? I’m sitting here thinking that i’m feeling a little down and thinking about it it’s kind of common this time of year (I’m not depressed, just a bit more emotional that usual, and more tired etc), and in the warmer months I’m always feeling more rotten – the more sunlight i get the worse it seems – I also have DSPS – and wonder if my body just likes dark and not light, like it’s supposed to? Tal

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> Just wondering – I figure there may be some people who know about SAD so > i’m asking here – anyone ever heard of the opposite? I’m sitting here > thinking that i’m feeling a little down and thinking about it it’s kind of > common this time of year

For anyone who may not realise "this time of year" refers to summer (down under)

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it would make total sense if the sunlight interfered with you getting a full night’s sleep Tal i had to have black out’s on my windows in order to get enough sleep to NOT feel bad during the summer……….. at the same time…. i suffer from SAD in the winter when we don’t get enough hours of sun this far north where it’s dark when you go to work and it’s dark when you go home too try some tinfoil on the windows to black out your bedroom and see if that makes things better for you…….. can’t hurt……. kate "Tal" wrote in message

news:32j47nF3lhmcnU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Just wondering – I figure there may be some people who know about SAD so > > i’m asking here – anyone ever heard of the opposite? I’m sitting here > > thinking that i’m feeling a little down and thinking about it it’s kind of > > common this time of year > For anyone who may not realise "this time of year" refers to summer (down > under)

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> it would make total sense if the sunlight interfered with you getting a > full > night’s sleep Tal > i had to have black out’s on my windows in order to get enough sleep to > NOT > feel bad during the summer………..

umm, hehe, in my case, that’s not likely, my bedroom is in the centre of the house i’m in now (the owners blocked in the old verandah to make a kind of "room" and took out the window of the bedroom so that it wasn’t "looking into another room" – there’s a very small window in the walk in robe (which i have a curtain in covering) so no sunlight distubing the sleep of THIS puppy! – but it is a valid thought… ever since I got "sick" i seem to be sensitive to the sun – i just feel ill and can’t stand in the sun for more than a minute or so before I start feeling bleh – heat is also a bad thing, and while i’m pretty sure i’ve always had some kinda problem with heat sensitivity (can’t take a "hot" shower or drink "hot" drinks – i have them warm) it has defiantely become worse since my overall symptoms started – so I wonder if there’s something weird going on where my body is just reacting badly to sunlight or something… Beth in Australia

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how is your thyroid?????? that’s the very first thing that came to mind from your ‘my thermostat isn’t working’ description you gave below kate "Tal" wrote in message

news:32j7e8F3m4g3aU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > it would make total sense if the sunlight interfered with you getting a > > full > > night’s sleep Tal > > i had to have black out’s on my windows in order to get enough sleep to > > NOT > > feel bad during the summer……….. > umm, hehe, in my case, that’s not likely, my bedroom is in the centre of the > house i’m in now (the owners blocked in the old verandah to make a kind of > "room" and took out the window of the bedroom so that it wasn’t "looking > into another room" – there’s a very small window in the walk in robe (which > i have a curtain in covering) so no sunlight distubing the sleep of THIS > puppy! – but it is a valid thought… > ever since I got "sick" i seem to be sensitive to the sun – i just feel ill > and can’t stand in the sun for more than a minute or so before I start > feeling bleh – heat is also a bad thing, and while i’m pretty sure i’ve > always had some kinda problem with heat sensitivity (can’t take a "hot" > shower or drink "hot" drinks – i have them warm) it has defiantely become > worse since my overall symptoms started – so I wonder if there’s something > weird going on where my body is just reacting badly to sunlight or > something… > Beth in Australia

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I’ve had it tested numerous times over the past 10 years, always smack bang in the middle of normal – not even slightly high or low – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> how is your thyroid?????? > that’s the very first thing that came to mind from your ‘my thermostat > isn’t > working’ description you gave below > kate

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Hi— Possibly be checked for "Lupus". It sounds exactly like the symptoms. My niece has it, so it is "in the family". Possibly read the book "The Sun is my Enemy". It’s about what you are describing, and probably your local library will have it, or get it for you, if they have inter-library book loans. Or google "Lupus" Best—- Ron (also very very sensitive to the sun, makes me sick and very exhausted) Tal wrote in message

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I’ve been checked out for lupus too – negative – but yeah, i’ve thought before that it does kind of sound like that – though i’ve never had the classic rash. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Possibly be checked for "Lupus". It sounds exactly like the symptoms. > My niece has it, so it is "in the family". > Possibly read the book "The Sun is my Enemy". It’s about what you are > describing, and probably your local library will have it, or get it for > you, > if they have inter-library book loans. Or google "Lupus"

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"Tal" writes: > Just wondering – I figure there may be some people who know about SAD so i’m > asking here – anyone ever heard of the opposite? I’m sitting here thinking > that i’m feeling a little down and thinking about it it’s kind of common > this time of year (I’m not depressed, just a bit more emotional that usual, > and more tired etc), and in the warmer months I’m always feeling more > rotten – the more sunlight i get the worse it seems – I also have DSPS – and > wonder if my body just likes dark and not light, like it’s supposed to?

I find sun tends to make my migraines more prevalent. Hats and polarized sunglasses help a little, but I find I stay indoors more often now. — Michael Meissner email: mrmn…@the-meissners.org http://www.the-meissners.org

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I’m talking minorly sad here – I don’t have any real ups or downs either, pretty even flowing (except perhaps when i’m really tired, but being tired will do that to anyone) – busy with life and despite all the issues with my health, pretty happy with where I am – and i think most ppl would agree i’m pretty stable. I’ve been short tempered lately – but that’s simply cause i’m overworked and exhausted – my co-worker is the same LOL – we’re fortunate that we don’t take eachother seriously when we snap at eachother cause we KNOW we’re both overworked and over tired. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Just wondering – I figure there may be some people who know about >>SAD so i’m asking here – anyone ever heard of the opposite? > Mixed bipolar disorder can be very hard to tell from depression with > restless agitation. > Bipolar disorder not infrequently gets worse in the summer months.

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admin — Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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paula writes: > Jim, how sleepy are you when going to bed. Do you feel you could get to > sleep much earlier?? If so, maybe check out advance sleep phase > syndrome. Not sure about the headaches, but my husband has them when he > sleep to late/ not hours of sleep ( for his body). I myself can sleep 18 > hours without getting a headache. He has no sleep disorders unless you > call not being able to sleep late in the weekend as one I am the > one with apnea and DSPS.

Note migraine sufferers (of which I am one in addition to sleep apnea) usually find that they need to get to sleep and wake up at the same time every day to cut down on their headaches. That and skipping the amount of coffee usually drunk during the work day is why many people get "weekend headaches". — Michael Meissner email: mrmn…@the-meissners.org http://www.the-meissners.org

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thanks for all the hellp folks. ill check the sugestions out… jim

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The smokeing is a problem for sleep apnea . There is a whole page on it in Principles and Practice of Sleep Medicine by Meir H. Kryger, Thomas Roth, William C. Dement, T. Roth . Trust me I studied this stuff for 2 years

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Jim, how sleepy are you when going to bed. Do you feel you could get to sleep much earlier?? If so, maybe check out advance sleep phase syndrome. Not sure about the headaches, but my husband has them when he sleep to late/ not hours of sleep ( for his body). I myself can sleep 18 hours without getting a headache. He has no sleep disorders unless you call not being able to sleep late in the weekend as one I am the one with apnea and DSPS. Oh, don’t take any bullshit comments about your smoking. I went from over 2 packs a day to none. worst thing I have done for my health and no difference any which way with apnea, breathing or energy level. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jim wrote: > afternoon….heres my problem, hopefully someone will have some remedies > or help…definite morning person here. usually wake same time, 114am, > then spend the next hours , not really sleeping, but laying there, > constantly watching the clock…not fun…also can only sleep 5 hrs or > so before i wake up, then the brain kicks in and i get a splitting > headache…once im awake it next to impossible to go back to sleep. in > bed usually same time everynite…and sat and sunday naps are a must, > usually 2-3 hrs…tired of headaches, tired of not getting a goodnites > sleep…seems my body just shuts down on me……one cup of coffee in > the mornings before work, and i do smoke, so that may be a contributing > factor….any solutions to getting a full nites sleep? thanks, jim in > chicago

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Ok you need a sleep study for sure. Go tell your Doctor to get you scheduled up for one . First thing is you have poor sleep habits turn the clock around so you can’t see it. I would bet you have Sleep apnea and your wakeing up after your first REM period which I bet starts around 1 am. Does anyone tell you that you Snore or stop Breathing when you sleep ? The lack of 02 when you sleep Could be were the Head aches are comeing from or a build up of CO2. Oh and stop smokeing The smoke couses swelling in the Airway makeing your Sleep Apnea worse.

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In article <26799-41AE3781-…@storefull-3112.bay.webtv.net>, JK…@webtv.net says… > afternoon….heres my problem, hopefully someone will have some remedies > or help…definite morning person here. usually wake same time, 114am, > then spend the next hours , not really sleeping, but laying there, > constantly watching the clock…not fun…also can only sleep 5 hrs or > so before i wake up, then the brain kicks in and i get a splitting > headache…once im awake it next to impossible to go back to sleep. in > bed usually same time everynite…and sat and sunday naps are a must, > usually 2-3 hrs…tired of headaches, tired of not getting a goodnites > sleep…seems my body just shuts down on me……one cup of coffee in > the mornings before work, and i do smoke, so that may be a contributing > factor….any solutions to getting a full nites sleep? thanks, jim in > chicago

Sleep study would be a start, see your doc to get a referral or you can try the sleep studies center at Evanston Hospital- very good facility and great staff- that’s where I had my study done. good luck, /vic

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afternoon….heres my problem, hopefully someone will have some remedies or help…definite morning person here. usually wake same time, 114am, then spend the next hours , not really sleeping, but laying there, constantly watching the clock…not fun…also can only sleep 5 hrs or so before i wake up, then the brain kicks in and i get a splitting headache…once im awake it next to impossible to go back to sleep. in bed usually same time everynite…and sat and sunday naps are a must, usually 2-3 hrs…tired of headaches, tired of not getting a goodnites sleep…seems my body just shuts down on me……one cup of coffee in the mornings before work, and i do smoke, so that may be a contributing factor….any solutions to getting a full nites sleep? thanks, jim in chicago

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ADHD and Sleep Disorders

admin — Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Does ADHD have any connection to sleep disorders such as insomnia and Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrom (DSPS)? –TeeRebel

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Does ADHD have any connection to sleep disorders such as insomnia and Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrom (DSPS)?

In one sense no, in another it’s an open question. Some sleep disorders can product symptoms very similar those of ADHD, however if the cause of the symptoms is a sleep disorder then you have a sleep disorder, not ADHD. That said, the discovery that sleep disorders can produce such symptoms is fairly recent and there is no doubt some number of people with undetected sleep disorders who have been diagnosed with ADHD–screening for sleep disorders is not part of most ADHD workups. –TeeRebel

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Hex piezo saddles for home-made Variax?

admin — Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi, Decent DSPs and super low-power codecs are now available that would enable it to be phantom-powered via a stereo XLR-5 output (stereo output), and the algorithms are not that hard, so I want to experiment with making my own Variax-Strat-style guitar (including quite a few things that the Variax doesn’t do). I’ve seen Fishman’s Powerbridge and Graph-tech’s "Ghost" piezo saddles. Has anyone had any experiences with either of these, or any other hex piezo solution for a Strat-style floating bridge?

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I had a Brian Moore i2.5 with the RMC pickup system and MidiAxe interface. That was a Les-Paul style bridge, but RMC makes one for Strats as well. Tracking was exceptional, especially compared to the Gk2A system I had before.

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resetting sleep cycles? (newbie)

admin — Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Hello, Through a simple pattern of staying up later and later each night during the week of January 1st, I’ve managed to get my regular sleep cycles completely out-of-whack. Last night I went to bed at 4:30AM and got up at 10:30AM. Needless to say, I’m kind of in a fog today. Does anyone have a suggestion for correcting this? Should I just force myself to get up at my desired time (probably 6:30 or 7:00AM) until things straighten out? I haven’t been diagnosed with a sleep disorder, and when I’m in my normal routine, I usually sleep quite well. Thanks in advance, Matt Hoyle mzhzozyz…@ieee.org (remove the Z’s to reply)

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> Through a simple pattern of staying up later and later each night during > the week of January 1st, I’ve managed to get my regular sleep cycles > completely out-of-whack. Last night I went to bed at 4:30AM and got up > at 10:30AM. Needless to say, I’m kind of in a fog today. > Does anyone have a suggestion for correcting this? > Should I just force myself to get up at my desired time (probably 6:30 > or 7:00AM) until things straighten out? > I haven’t been diagnosed with a sleep disorder, and when I’m in my > normal routine, I usually sleep quite well.

you could try "light therapy" look up "DSPS light therapy" in google and you should find plenty info – while this is a temporary problem for you and not DSPS – the same approach may correct your problem — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

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Tal wrote:

[snip] > you could try "light therapy" look up "DSPS light therapy" in google and you > should find plenty info – while this is a temporary problem for you and not > DSPS – the same approach may correct your problem > — > Beth in Australia > (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my > opinion only unless specified otherwise)

Thanks for the reply, Beth. I read some about light therapy before posting and have been sleeping with the blind of my bedroom window raised. I think it has helped. I’ll check out the FAQ, too. Thanks again, Matt Hoyle

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Is it more healthy to have sleep begin before midnight as the common phrase "One hour before midnight is worth 2 hours after" implies? James www.KiloHealth.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Matt Hoyle wrote in message … > Tal wrote: > [snip] > > you could try "light therapy" look up "DSPS light therapy" in google and you > > should find plenty info – while this is a temporary problem for you and not > > DSPS – the same approach may correct your problem > > — > > Beth in Australia > > (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my > > opinion only unless specified otherwise) > Thanks for the reply, Beth. I read some about light therapy before > posting and have been sleeping with the blind of my bedroom window > raised. I think it has helped. > I’ll check out the FAQ, too. > Thanks again, > Matt Hoyle

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you’re here to sell sleep aids, so go away and stop pretending you knwo what you’re talkign about when all you’re trying to do is sell stuff! you clearly have no concept of what DSPS is – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is it more healthy to have sleep begin before midnight as the common > phrase "One hour before midnight is worth 2 hours after" implies? > James > www.KiloHealth.com

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What are the dangers of too much CPAP pressure?

admin — Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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> I may be wrong but I thought Apnea was due to the airway being blocked > "mechanically" by excess tissue around the windpipe, normally present > in fat buggers like myself. The Brain comes into the equation only > when breathing stops, and a body jerk is activated to begin > breathing…but I do agree that minimum pressure rather than max > should be used to stabalise the condition.

you’re describing obstructive (the most common form) apnea – central apnea has nothing to do with airway obstructions. — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

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Beginning to see daylight, thanks folks. Now, I suffer multiple chest infections when the temperature turns and I am breathing cold night air. Therefore, I can identify this tendency to lung inflammation early… I am however concerned about bursting alveoli and other bits and bobs within the lungs. I can only deduce from a layman’s logic and as with the eardrums Barotraumas (which sounded quite reasonable) the thought you have prompted that greater pressure in the lung compared to outside could damage or burst them under these unusual conditions is of great concern. So what pressures are we seriously talking for this to enter the ballgame with an otherwise healthy pair of lungs with no weak walls?…following on to this what would be the pressure range in which care was needed to cater for possible weaknesses? You may deduce by now I am attempting to get some idea of ranges for green, amber red pressure ranges…to make my own mind up if its worth the risk of a higher pressure if recommended. One of the biggest bugbears of the English NHS is the medical profession not keeping a patient informed, on the assumption we are too thick to make anything of the information…or it may prolong the public time in favour of private consultancy. (Cynical old sod isn’t I! :O) And BTW, us big buggers are not really fat, just not tall enough for our weight :O) Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"dsps77" wrote in message … > Whoa Ears? I don’t think the Barotrauma Discussion in this > newsgroup ever got around to ears and eardrums! From what I > remember, divers (and people on mechanical respirators) > sometimes get more lung inflammation–something about air sacs > that don’t normally get fully expanded getting forced open by > overpressure. (It should be noted that this is not something > everybody would include in their definition of the word > "barotrauma," more like something called "ventilator induced > lung injury.") As I recall, Doug wondered aloud if CPAP users, > at the higher pressure settings, might not accumulate the same > tendency toward lung inflammation over the long haul. If divers > tilt toward lung inflammation with repeated dives at high > pressure, might not longterm CPAP users also tilt toward lung > inflammation …eventually? Deep sea divers might use higher > pressures (I don’t know), but they don’t "go scuba diving" eight > hours every night of their lives as do CPAP users. This line of > discussion generated a lot of heat, but not much light was shed > on the subject. Perhaps more research is available these six > years later. General consensus hereabouts seems to be that a > person would first run into trouble with central events if the > pressure setting is too high for the individual’s needs.

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dsps77 wrote: > Theoretically, some people think, it has been talked about > hereabouts, not necessarily my opinion, I’m no doctor, please > don’t stone me for using the word, my fingers tremble to type… > barotrauma > It’s the idea that high pressures can bring about changes in > lung tissue leading to inflammation. (I mention this only in > friendly memory of Doug Ruth.) If you look look up just the word > barotrauma in Google Groups, you will learn a lot about xPAP, > the late Doug Ruth, this newsgroup, and, I suppose, scuba > diving.

Thanks for bringing that up, I remember it now. Also good to see Doug again, even if is from an archive. — Bob

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On 29 Oct 2003 06:03:13 -0800, a…@andycabs.com (Andy) wrote: >You >may deduce by now I am attempting to get some idea of ranges for >green, amber red pressure ranges…to make my own mind up if its worth >the risk of a higher pressure if recommended. One of the biggest >bugbears of the English NHS is the medical profession not keeping a >patient informed, on the assumption we are too thick to make anything >of the information…or it may prolong the public time in favour of >private consultancy. (Cynical old sod isn’t I! :O) And BTW, us big >buggers are not really fat, just not tall enough for our weight :O) >Andy

Andy Why don’t you consider getting one of the Resmed Autoset Spirit machines. These are purchasable directly from Resmed with a prescription from your consultant. This also exempts you from VAT. The whole issue of pressure becomes a non-issue because the machine automatically adjusts to the pressure that you need. This varies over time with various factors such as weight and the position that you are lying in bed. The machine detects when hypopnoea and apnoea events as well as snore are occurring and ramps up the pressure to deal with them. It then reduces slowly over some minutes of not needing such high pressure. On a fixed pressure machine, I would need approx. 11cm H20 to deal with the majority of events, but in reality, during the course of a typical night, for most of the time only 6-7 is needed and with occasional peaks. This makes for much more comfortable use of the machine and not needing to worry about messing around with pressure. Also, there is an optional heated humidifier which plugs onto the front of the machine and also adds to the comfort of use for many people. I tried one of the S7 machines for a bit and although it was OK, the automatic adjustment of the Spirit makes for a much better experience. .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

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I have never read on this newsgroup (or elsewhere) of anyone actually suffering barotrauma or increased lung inflammation from a commercially built CPAP made for home use. I mentioned it only as a *theoretical* possibility which has been discussed on this newsgroup, perhaps another good reason not to jack up CPAP pressure higher than what is prescribed. Unlike some ventilators, respirators, and anesthesia machines, CPAPs do not force breathing, but work only to keep the airway open while the user breathes on his own. CPAP masks also have unsealable outlfow vents that prevent accidental build-up of pressure.

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Excuse my ignorence, I am inexperienced in CPAP thingys, but I have a RES MED S7 on a months patient trial, after the first week I came to the conclusion it was not providing as much benifit as the first machine I had for a weekend. This was supposed to calculate my pressure requirement but because of mask leakage gave inconclusive results and my clinician set the resmed at 8, commenting that I may have to have it increased to 10. Getting in touch with the hospital I find she is on a weeks holiday, and there is no one else qualified to change the pressure…Can anyone please advise me, what are the problems/dangers of setting the pressure too high. I am an overweight Asmatic male, age 52 with no other heart or BP problems. It would also be useful to know how to reset the pressure to make the most of this trial. BTW I am in the South East UK being treated under NHS hospital after referal from doctor and one nights sleep study. Thank you Andy

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"Andy" wrote > Can anyone please advise me, what are the > problems/dangers of setting the pressure too high.

Too much pressure can (among other things?) trigger/increase central apneas. Not a good thing. -Quick

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Too much pressure can result in death. No joke. Central apnea is a result, which means that your brain decides you don’t need to breathe, so you don’t, which causes your heart to stop, and removes your need for a CPAP permanently. Sarcastic? Maybe. Am I trying to get the point across? Definitely. It is not good to be on the wrong pressure, but if one must be wrong, it is better to be under than over, as minimally as possible. Gary "Andy" wrote in message

news:43e9b5c2.0310271425.43567d60@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Excuse my ignorence, I am inexperienced in CPAP thingys, but I have a > RES MED S7 on a months patient trial, after the first week I came to > the conclusion it was not providing as much benifit as the first > machine I had for a weekend. This was supposed to calculate my > pressure requirement but because of mask leakage gave inconclusive > results and my clinician set the resmed at 8, commenting that I may > have to have it increased to 10. Getting in touch with the hospital I > find she is on a weeks holiday, and there is no one else qualified to > change the pressure…Can anyone please advise me, what are the > problems/dangers of setting the pressure too high. I am an overweight > Asmatic male, age 52 with no other heart or BP problems. It would also > be useful to know how to reset the pressure to make the most of this > trial. BTW I am in the South East UK being treated under NHS hospital > after referal from doctor and one nights sleep study. > Thank you > Andy

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Whoa Ears? I don’t think the Barotrauma Discussion in this newsgroup ever got around to ears and eardrums! From what I remember, divers (and people on mechanical respirators) sometimes get more lung inflammation–something about air sacs that don’t normally get fully expanded getting forced open by overpressure. (It should be noted that this is not something everybody would include in their definition of the word "barotrauma," more like something called "ventilator induced lung injury.") As I recall, Doug wondered aloud if CPAP users, at the higher pressure settings, might not accumulate the same tendency toward lung inflammation over the long haul. If divers tilt toward lung inflammation with repeated dives at high pressure, might not longterm CPAP users also tilt toward lung inflammation …eventually? Deep sea divers might use higher pressures (I don’t know), but they don’t "go scuba diving" eight hours every night of their lives as do CPAP users. This line of discussion generated a lot of heat, but not much light was shed on the subject. Perhaps more research is available these six years later. General consensus hereabouts seems to be that a person would first run into trouble with central events if the pressure setting is too high for the individual’s needs. Andy wrote in message

<43e9b5c2.0310280444.2559a…@posting.google.com>… >Blimus! DSPS…thanks, it never occured about burstng ear >drums…scary! >Any idea what pressures approach this, when ear infection is likely to >begin and at what pressure permanant damage could happen, 10,15 20, >30?? >Andy >"dsps77" wrote in message

… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Theoretically, some people think, it has been talked about >> hereabouts, not necessarily my opinion, I’m no doctor, please >> don’t stone me for using the word, my fingers tremble to type… >> barotrauma >> It’s the idea that high pressures can bring about changes in >> lung tissue leading to inflammation. (I mention this only in >> friendly memory of Doug Ruth.) If you look look up just the word >> barotrauma in Google Groups, you will learn a lot about xPAP, >> the late Doug Ruth, this newsgroup, and, I suppose, scuba >> diving.

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Ummm, what Victor said. -:) Now you know one (there are more) of the reasons that some people are not titrated (prescribed) to a pressure that eliminates *all* obstructive apnea events. One of the things a sleep lab will look for in a titration is the increase in central apnea events as the pressure is raised. It can be the case that the pressure that prevents all obstructive apnea events can be higher than the pressure at which central apnea events start/increase. -Quick "Andy" wrote > Dhorwitz…could you please expand to me what a "central apnea" is and > how it differs from normal/(abnormal?) > Andy > "Quick" wrote in message

… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > "Andy" wrote > > > Can anyone please advise me, what are the > > > problems/dangers of setting the pressure too high. > > Too much pressure can (among other things?) trigger/increase > > central apneas. Not a good thing. > > -Quick

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In article <43e9b5c2.0310280458.6db45…@posting.google.com>, a…@andycabs.com says… > Dhorwitz…could you please expand to me what a "central apnea" is and > how it differs from normal/(abnormal?) > Andy

"Normal" or Obstructive apnea is the more common blockage-induced type. This is the one us fat busturds get from too much of us surrounding the air-ways- although there are plenty of skinny busturds with the same problems; we not only outweigh them, but probably outnumber them as well . Central refers to a "glitch" in the Central Nervous System where the brain forgets to send a signal to breathe. Not quite as common, it can happen while sleeping or in some cases (like me) whilst awake. Central Events can be triggered by overpressure of a xPAP, drugs, sound, certain frequencies (colors) of light, specific frequency of pulsating light, or for no reason at all. I only know of the connection with sound and light as I can ‘force’ a central event in myself with specific sounds and/or lights. vic in chicagoland

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Dhorwitz…could you please expand to me what a "central apnea" is and how it differs from normal/(abnormal?) Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Quick" wrote in message … > "Andy" wrote > > Can anyone please advise me, what are the > > problems/dangers of setting the pressure too high. > Too much pressure can (among other things?) trigger/increase > central apneas. Not a good thing. > -Quick

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Hey Andy, I resemble that comment… ME "Andy" wrote in message

news:43e9b5c2.0310280455.281c767d@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I may be wrong but I thought Apnea was due to the airway being blocked > "mechanically" by excess tissue around the windpipe, normally present > in fat buggers like myself. > The Brain comes into the equation only > when breathing stops, and a body jerk is activated to begin > breathing…but I do agree that minimum pressure rather than max > should be used to stabalise the condition. > Andy

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Theoretically, some people think, it has been talked about hereabouts, not necessarily my opinion, I’m no doctor, please don’t stone me for using the word, my fingers tremble to type… barotrauma It’s the idea that high pressures can bring about changes in lung tissue leading to inflammation. (I mention this only in friendly memory of Doug Ruth.) If you look look up just the word barotrauma in Google Groups, you will learn a lot about xPAP, the late Doug Ruth, this newsgroup, and, I suppose, scuba diving.

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Blimus! DSPS…thanks, it never occured about burstng ear drums…scary! Any idea what pressures approach this, when ear infection is likely to begin and at what pressure permanant damage could happen, 10,15 20, 30?? Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"dsps77" wrote in message … > Theoretically, some people think, it has been talked about > hereabouts, not necessarily my opinion, I’m no doctor, please > don’t stone me for using the word, my fingers tremble to type… > barotrauma > It’s the idea that high pressures can bring about changes in > lung tissue leading to inflammation. (I mention this only in > friendly memory of Doug Ruth.) If you look look up just the word > barotrauma in Google Groups, you will learn a lot about xPAP, > the late Doug Ruth, this newsgroup, and, I suppose, scuba > diving.

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I may be wrong but I thought Apnea was due to the airway being blocked "mechanically" by excess tissue around the windpipe, normally present in fat buggers like myself. The Brain comes into the equation only when breathing stops, and a body jerk is activated to begin breathing…but I do agree that minimum pressure rather than max should be used to stabalise the condition. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Gary Rimar" wrote in message … > Too much pressure can result in death. No joke. Central apnea is a result, > which means that your brain decides you don’t need to breathe, so you don’t, > which causes your heart to stop, and removes your need for a CPAP > permanently. > Sarcastic? Maybe. Am I trying to get the point across? Definitely. > It is not good to be on the wrong pressure, but if one must be wrong, it is > better to be under than over, as minimally as possible. > Gary > "Andy" wrote in message > news:43e9b5c2.0310271425.43567d60@posting.google.com… > > Excuse my ignorence, I am inexperienced in CPAP thingys, but I have a > > RES MED S7 on a months patient trial, after the first week I came to > > the conclusion it was not providing as much benifit as the first > > machine I had for a weekend. This was supposed to calculate my > > pressure requirement but because of mask leakage gave inconclusive > > results and my clinician set the resmed at 8, commenting that I may > > have to have it increased to 10. Getting in touch with the hospital I > > find she is on a weeks holiday, and there is no one else qualified to > > change the pressure…Can anyone please advise me, what are the > > problems/dangers of setting the pressure too high. I am an overweight > > Asmatic male, age 52 with no other heart or BP problems. It would also > > be useful to know how to reset the pressure to make the most of this > > trial. BTW I am in the South East UK being treated under NHS hospital > > after referal from doctor and one nights sleep study. > > Thank you > > Andy

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Sort of a silly question…

admin — Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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> But lord, the flopping around was something else! Since you guys are the > experts, I am wondering if this is a symptom of something? It doesn’t seem > normal to have someone flailing around in bed all night. Funny I have never > noticed it before – except for that ONE time when I got an elbow in the > nose – That was right before we bought the KING SIZED BED!

it could be a symptom of a sleep disorder although there’s no way to tell just what without a sleep study. the important question is how does your husband feel during the day? If he’s tired, then this "flopping" whatever the cause, is disrupting his sleep enough to be a problem and needs to be checked out. When you say flopping……is it just tossing and turning or is it jerking or limb movements? — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

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Being a victim of DSPS I spend a lot of time being awake when DH is sleeping. The other night, instead of being glued to my monitor like usual, I decided to read a book in bed. I was utterly amazed how much flopping around my DH does when he sleeps. I didn’t notice any breathing difficulties, per se. No gasping, no moments of silence. Yeah, a little snoring, but nothing that seemed abnormal or excessive. But lord, the flopping around was something else! Since you guys are the experts, I am wondering if this is a symptom of something? It doesn’t seem normal to have someone flailing around in bed all night. Funny I have never noticed it before – except for that ONE time when I got an elbow in the nose – That was right before we bought the KING SIZED BED! Any ideas guys? — *..

Why is this group so busy at 2am

admin — Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Just a thought Martin Dozzze

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> Just a thought > Martin > Dozzze

it’s 11.30am where I am…..but then i’ve been up all night……i suffer from DSPS so my posting times vary a great deal from week to week. — Beth in Australia (I am not a medical professional and anything stated in my posts is my opinion only unless specified otherwise) =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup Archives http://talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles Remove my name to reply

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"Martin Basil" wrote in message

news:bko6uj$mn6$1@news0.ifb.net… > Just a thought > Martin > Dozzze

————————- That all depends on where you are. It’s only 8:45 p.m. here.

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"Tal" wrote in message

news:bko7an$3qsv7$1@ID-148111.news.uni-berlin.de… > > Just a thought > > Martin > > Dozzze > it’s 11.30am where I am…..but then i’ve been up all night……i suffer > from DSPS so my posting times vary a great deal from week to week.

I really meant the UK participants, just being flippant (can’t spell facieses). Martin Dozzze

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:20:08 +0100, Martin Basil wrote: >Just a thought

Because it isn’t 2 am around the world. It’s about 4 AM GMT now in the middle of the USA. — Offshore a CEO: buy an ADR!

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Updated FAQ Website

admin — Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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> Hi Beth- the site looks great- you do good (and mostly unappreciated) > work, thanks for putting the common-sense knowledge in one easy to find > place.

thanks…. > I know you asked about putting my post about trachs on the site, but I > didn’t respond before (forgot to send the ‘yes’ message then)… I’ll > have a re-write of the trach info for you soon, and a list of the best > Trach info sites I’ve found.

great minds think alike LOL……just asked again on the other thread lol — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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Tal wrote: > Ok…….done a little updating on the newsgroup website – would appreciate > comments and input. > There have been a couple of stories added to the Personal Stories page – > (thanks Mike and Ali) > There’s some info on Narcolepsy – would appreiciate someone taking a look to > check it for accuracy > There’s also been some brief info on the insomnia page – although I need > much more – woudl be great to have some "insomnia" submissions for the > personal stories page – so if you’ve dealt with insomnia yourself, please

Beth….. I had major insomia for years and like a lot of us hosers, after CPAP = no insomnia. A few here have mentioned this a couple of years ago and I’ve read this as well that it can be an unconcious survival method. The body won’t go to sleep as it may die in sleep. It certainly fits with me. Regards Lee in Toronto —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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> Beth….. I had major insomia for years and like a lot of us hosers, > after CPAP = no insomnia. A few here have mentioned this a couple of > years ago and I’ve read this as well that it can be an unconcious > survival method. The body won’t go to sleep as it may die in sleep. It > certainly fits with me.

yup, seems that’s not uncommon…… i was going to remember to mention that anyone with chronic insomnia needs to look for any possible underlying causes — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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In article , beth…@hotmail.com says… > Ok…….done a little updating on the newsgroup website – would appreciate > comments and input. > There have been a couple of stories added to the Personal Stories page – > (thanks Mike and Ali)

<> Hi Beth- the site looks great- you do good (and mostly unappreciated) work, thanks for putting the common-sense knowledge in one easy to find place. I know you asked about putting my post about trachs on the site, but I didn’t respond before (forgot to send the ‘yes’ message then)… I’ll have a re-write of the trach info for you soon, and a list of the best Trach info sites I’ve found. — Sleepless by choice not chance, Vic

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Ok…….done a little updating on the newsgroup website – would appreciate comments and input. There have been a couple of stories added to the Personal Stories page – (thanks Mike and Ali) There’s some info on Narcolepsy – would appreiciate someone taking a look to check it for accuracy There’s also been some brief info on the insomnia page – although I need much more – woudl be great to have some "insomnia" submissions for the personal stories page – so if you’ve dealt with insomnia yourself, please submit Would also like more personal stories for narcolepsy and some for DSPS and Parasomnias would be good too – as stated in a previous thread – you don’t have to haev a dramatic sucess story or anything, just your own story that others may be able to identify with. There’s also info that gets repeated on this NG frequently, things like "what do i need to look for when buying a CPAP" etc if someone wants to write down their usual responses to these kinds of questions, feel free Thanks – if anyone has comments, suggestions, whatever, please say so! http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders — Beth in Australia =================== FAQ for alt.support.sleep-disorder can be found here http://www.anchorweb.com.au/sleepdisorders this site is a work in progress – feel free to submit info/articles

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Further Questions on Delayed Phase

admin — Thu, 23 Jan 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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First I want to thank everyone who gave me links to various websites. I’ve been doing allot of reading and I’m starting to feel hopeful about readjusting my sleep clock and reclaiming life. I just have a few questions to make sure I’m on the right track. In reference to bright light therapy…is there any way to simulate this without the actual light box? It is winter here and thusly sunlight is harder to come by but I can’t afford any kind of equipment. One room of our house is always very bright in the morning…is sunlight filtered through glass effective? What about plant lights, with precautions taken against UV rays? Has anyone built a "do it yourself" version of a light box? I was rather surprised at the suggestions of sleep hygiene…the sleep doctor never mentioned anything like those to me. I do almost everything from my bed…read, study, watch television, play games, etc. So this week I’ll be getting rid of my large bed and getting a smaller one and a comfy chair that I can use as a replacement. I hope this will be effective with some of my problem. I’m going to have to wait until March to actually undertake Chronotherapy because of my work schedule, which is rather disappointing. It’s rather annoying to have a job where the schedules are drawn up by month! One further question…I’ve heard much about melation and used to take it. It didn’t really help me sleep but did give me VERY vivid dreams (I actually took it just for the lucid dreaming alone). Some of the sleep sites briefly mentioned taking this isn’t recommended. Does anyone find it to actually help or harm them? More curious than anything. I’ve also heard about Zen clocks, which ring chimes at set intervels to wake a person up more gently than alarms…is this actually effective at letting a person wake up less tired? Dom

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"Dom Runner" wrote in message

news:DXidnfmOHKEMGLKjXTWcrg@comcast.com… > First I want to thank everyone who gave me links to various websites. I’ve > been doing allot of reading and I’m starting to feel hopeful about > readjusting my sleep clock and reclaiming life. I just have a few questions > to make sure I’m on the right track.

Aah, it’s 02:48 and a DSPS question to liven things up ) > In reference to bright light therapy…is there any way to simulate this > without the actual light box? It is winter here and thusly sunlight is > harder to come by but I can’t afford any kind of equipment. One room of our > house is always very bright in the morning…is sunlight filtered through > glass effective? What about plant lights, with precautions taken against UV > rays? Has anyone built a "do it yourself" version of a light box?

Sure! Get up at least an hour before you would naturally and do something in the sunlight (read, exercise, etc.) I guess if you have super dark tinting it might make a difference but just put on a jacket and walk outside (unless you can’t for some reason). Can you find out the lumen or lux intensity of the plant light? 10,000 lux at around 18 to 24 inches is best. I think Norm built one but you can buy a great one at http://www.alaskanorthernlights.com/ for $179 plus shipping. > I was rather surprised at the suggestions of sleep hygiene…the sleep > doctor never mentioned anything like those to me. I do almost everything > from my bed…read, study, watch television, play games, etc. So this week > I’ll be getting rid of my large bed and getting a smaller one and a comfy > chair that I can use as a replacement. I hope this will be effective with > some of my problem. I’m going to have to wait until March to actually > undertake Chronotherapy because of my work schedule, which is rather > disappointing. It’s rather annoying to have a job where the schedules are > drawn up by month!

I’m not surprised at the knowledge base (as in lack of) of doctors! Sleep hygiene is the FIRST thing that should have been mentioned, no excuse for that. The worse your Delayed Sleep Phase is the stricter your sleep hygiene needs to be. I forget but did this genius have you do a sleep study to rule out sleep apnea? When you can do the cronotherapy you MUST follow it up with bright light therapy EVERY day or you will slowly creep back to your normal sleep cycle. Sorry, wish it was easier! > One further question…I’ve heard much about melation and used to take it. > It didn’t really help me sleep but did give me VERY vivid dreams (I actually > took it just for the lucid dreaming alone). Some of the sleep sites briefly > mentioned taking this isn’t recommended. Does anyone find it to actually > help or harm them? More curious than anything. I’ve also heard about Zen > clocks, which ring chimes at set intervels to wake a person up more gently > than alarms…is this actually effective at letting a person wake up less > tired? > Dom

I get no kick from champagne or melatonin ) Zen clock sounds like harmless crapola but put the $100 towards a light box. Only better quality sleep allows you to wake up less tired. Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lori&Mike wrote: > "Dom Runner" wrote in message > news:DXidnfmOHKEMGLKjXTWcrg@comcast.com… > > First I want to thank everyone who gave me links to various websites. I’ve > > been doing allot of reading and I’m starting to feel hopeful about > > readjusting my sleep clock and reclaiming life. I just have a few questions > > to make sure I’m on the right track. > Aah, it’s 02:48 and a DSPS question to liven things up ) > > In reference to bright light therapy…is there any way to simulate this > > without the actual light box? It is winter here and thusly sunlight is > > harder to come by but I can’t afford any kind of equipment. One room of our > > house is always very bright in the morning…is sunlight filtered through > > glass effective? What about plant lights, with precautions taken against UV > > rays? Has anyone built a "do it yourself" version of a light box? > Sure! Get up at least an hour before you would naturally and do something in the > sunlight (read, exercise, etc.) I guess if you have super dark tinting it might > make a difference but just put on a jacket and walk outside (unless you can’t for > some reason). Can you find out the lumen or lux intensity of the plant light? > 10,000 lux at around 18 to 24 inches is best. I think Norm built one

Yah, I did, but it was over 20 years ago. I used a standard flourescent light fixture and mounted it in some white pvc pipes. I used full spectrum bulbs. I followed some info that was available from the NIH. Might even be on line these days. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> but you can > buy a great one at http://www.alaskanorthernlights.com/ for $179 plus shipping. > > I was rather surprised at the suggestions of sleep hygiene…the sleep > > doctor never mentioned anything like those to me. I do almost everything > > from my bed…read, study, watch television, play games, etc. So this week > > I’ll be getting rid of my large bed and getting a smaller one and a comfy > > chair that I can use as a replacement. I hope this will be effective with > > some of my problem. I’m going to have to wait until March to actually > > undertake Chronotherapy because of my work schedule, which is rather > > disappointing. It’s rather annoying to have a job where the schedules are > > drawn up by month! > I’m not surprised at the knowledge base (as in lack of) of doctors! Sleep hygiene > is the FIRST thing that should have been mentioned, no excuse for that. The worse > your Delayed Sleep Phase is the stricter your sleep hygiene needs to be. I forget > but did this genius have you do a sleep study to rule out sleep apnea? > When you can do the cronotherapy you MUST follow it up with bright light therapy > EVERY day or you will slowly creep back to your normal sleep cycle. Sorry, wish it > was easier! > > One further question…I’ve heard much about melation and used to take it. > > It didn’t really help me sleep but did give me VERY vivid dreams (I actually > > took it just for the lucid dreaming alone). Some of the sleep sites briefly > > mentioned taking this isn’t recommended. Does anyone find it to actually > > help or harm them? More curious than anything. I’ve also heard about Zen > > clocks, which ring chimes at set intervels to wake a person up more gently > > than alarms…is this actually effective at letting a person wake up less > > tired? > > Dom > I get no kick from champagne or melatonin ) Zen clock sounds like harmless > crapola but put the $100 towards a light box. Only better quality sleep allows you > to wake up less tired. Mike

– Eat well/sleep well/be well Norm To email replace nospam with rr

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Lee, works fine for me. Come on over! Dave Mississauga 401-Mavis N.-not far at all! "Tiger Lily" wrote in message

news:LR0Y9.265$c41.38849@news2.telusplanet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> weird, Lee…. it’s based in Quebec, so you should be able to get it faster > than i can out here in the west > OUR current cold spell comes from the east……. the winds from the west > are trying to push it out, but they are loosing, and a new cold front is > coming down from the North to add to our misery…….. -27 tomorrow night > for the pre wind-chill prediction…….. up in Edmonton it was -44 last > night. > shiver! > "Lee Babcock" > wrote in message com… > > Tiger Lily wrote: > > > http://www.northernlight-tech.com/eng/default.asp > > > the lights are not all that expensive, but i guess $180 is still $180 > for > > > someone (plus shipping and taxes) > > > i also use the SunRiser alarm clock, and i’ve been amazed at how much > easier > > > it is for me to "wake up" in the mornings now > > > for ME, both of these items are a MUST have to survive winter in the > "north" > > > (Canada) > > Kate…….. I tried the link you posted but get a message no web site > > at this address. > > It’s just about as cold in Toronto as Alberta. Maybe I need anti-freeze > > in my computer.

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http://www.northernlight-tech.com/eng/default.asp the lights are not all that expensive, but i guess $180 is still $180 for someone (plus shipping and taxes) i also use the SunRiser alarm clock, and i’ve been amazed at how much easier it is for me to "wake up" in the mornings now for ME, both of these items are a MUST have to survive winter in the "north" (Canada) "Dom Runner" wrote in message

news:DXidnfmOHKEMGLKjXTWcrg@comcast.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> First I want to thank everyone who gave me links to various websites. I’ve > been doing allot of reading and I’m starting to feel hopeful about > readjusting my sleep clock and reclaiming life. I just have a few questions > to make sure I’m on the right track. > In reference to bright light therapy…is there any way to simulate this > without the actual light box? It is winter here and thusly sunlight is > harder to come by but I can’t afford any kind of equipment. One room of our > house is always very bright in the morning…is sunlight filtered through > glass effective? What about plant lights, with precautions taken against UV > rays? Has anyone built a "do it yourself" version of a light box? > I was rather surprised at the suggestions of sleep hygiene…the sleep > doctor never mentioned anything like those to me. I do almost everything > from my bed…read, study, watch television, play games, etc. So this week > I’ll be getting rid of my large bed and getting a smaller one and a comfy > chair that I can use as a replacement. I hope this will be effective with > some of my problem. I’m going to have to wait until March to actually > undertake Chronotherapy because of my work schedule, which is rather > disappointing. It’s rather annoying to have a job where the schedules are > drawn up by month! > One further question…I’ve heard much about melation and used to take it. > It didn’t really help me sleep but did give me VERY vivid dreams (I actually > took it just for the lucid dreaming alone). Some of the sleep sites briefly > mentioned taking this isn’t recommended. Does anyone find it to actually > help or harm them? More curious than anything. I’ve also heard about Zen > clocks, which ring chimes at set intervels to wake a person up more gently > than alarms…is this actually effective at letting a person wake up less > tired? > Dom

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Tiger Lily wrote: > http://www.northernlight-tech.com/eng/default.asp > the lights are not all that expensive, but i guess $180 is still $180 for > someone (plus shipping and taxes) > i also use the SunRiser alarm clock, and i’ve been amazed at how much easier > it is for me to "wake up" in the mornings now > for ME, both of these items are a MUST have to survive winter in the "north" > (Canada)

Kate…….. I tried the link you posted but get a message no web site at this address. It’s just about as cold in Toronto as Alberta. Maybe I need anti-freeze in my computer. Regards Lee in Toronto —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lee Babcock wrote: > Tiger Lily wrote: > > http://www.northernlight-tech.com/eng/default.asp > > the lights are not all that expensive, but i guess $180 is still $180 for > > someone (plus shipping and taxes) > > i also use the SunRiser alarm clock, and i’ve been amazed at how much easier > > it is for me to "wake up" in the mornings now > > for ME, both of these items are a MUST have to survive winter in the "north" > > (Canada) > Kate…….. I tried the link you posted but get a message no web site > at this address. > It’s just about as cold in Toronto as Alberta. Maybe I need anti-freeze > in my computer.

Yup. You need somethin’. Fine for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Regards > Lee in Toronto > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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weird, Lee…. it’s based in Quebec, so you should be able to get it faster than i can out here in the west OUR current cold spell comes from the east……. the winds from the west are trying to push it out, but they are loosing, and a new cold front is coming down from the North to add to our misery…….. -27 tomorrow night for the pre wind-chill prediction…….. up in Edmonton it was -44 last night. shiver! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Lee Babcock" > wrote in message com… > Tiger Lily wrote: > > http://www.northernlight-tech.com/eng/default.asp > > the lights are not all that expensive, but i guess $180 is still $180 for > > someone (plus shipping and taxes) > > i also use the SunRiser alarm clock, and i’ve been amazed at how much easier > > it is for me to "wake up" in the mornings now > > for ME, both of these items are a MUST have to survive winter in the "north" > > (Canada) > Kate…….. I tried the link you posted but get a message no web site > at this address. > It’s just about as cold in Toronto as Alberta. Maybe I need anti-freeze > in my computer.