OT….*Bonus* Question of the day 01/31/07

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Well, I will chime in to say how much I love having my hubby’s big warm body next to mine. We usually end up either back to back or (lying on our backs) side to side. Generally our feet or legs are touching. Usually I fall asleep on my back with my left foot touching his leg or foot. It’s very reassuring to me. xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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01/31/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by an anon poster When sleeping with another person, do you maintain physical contact or sleep not touching?

Not touching. I can’t stand to have someone too close to me when I sleep. Stephen is very warm and I’d burn up if I had to sleep touching him. Plus, he tends to latch on and not let go, which makes it hard to shift positions or sleep . Dawn — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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01/31/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by an anon poster When sleeping with another person, do you maintain physical contact or sleep not touching?

I don’t know because I’m asleep;-) — Ron P Member of the invisible generation — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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When sleeping with another person, do you maintain physical contact or sleep not touching?

        Don’t touch.  We are both pretty restless sleepers.  Currently we don’t sleep together <sigh.  She almost has to sleep in a recliner. Dennis — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 01/31/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by an anon poster When sleeping with another person, do you maintain physical contact or sleep not touching? My husband is a flailer.  I wake up to an elbow to my head and sometimes a slap to my face.  If he wasn’t so restless in his sleep, I’d probably snuggle all night long. kili Kili, I am a flailer to.  You really do not want to sleep in the same bed as me.  Probably not the same house.  I sleep walk as well.  I once broke a clavicle and that did not wake me up.  It sure as hell hurt the next day. I am having a good time at the moment, just two bad bruises that I can not account for. Simon

What I want to know is what are you dreaming when you’re flailing or sleep walking?  Do you remember? kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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01/31/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by an anon poster   When sleeping with another person, do you maintain physical contact or sleep not touching? Jackie ~*~When in doubt, make a fool of yourself.  There is a microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth.  So what the hell, leap~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I like my space in bed.  There’s time for physical contact and then it’s roll over and give me my space…<vbg smiles, Elise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 01/31/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by an anon poster When sleeping with another person, do you maintain physical contact or sleep not touching? Jackie ~*~When in doubt, make a fool of yourself.  There is a microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth.  So what the hell, leap~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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01/31/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by an anon poster When sleeping with another person, do you maintain physical contact or sleep not touching? Jackie ~*~When in doubt, make a fool of yourself.  There is a microscopically thin line between being brilliantly creative and acting like the most gigantic idiot on earth.  So what the hell, leap~*~

I like my space. Dislike people’s faces and arms and things near me. Sally — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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01/31/07: Today’s question is being brought to you by an anon poster When sleeping with another person, do you maintain physical contact or sleep not touching?

My husband is a flailer.  I wake up to an elbow to my head and sometimes a slap to my face.  If he wasn’t so restless in his sleep, I’d probably snuggle all night long. kili — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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OT: Wildest Dream

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I know I was probably groggy and stuff but I *was* awake.  This was more like a waking dream.  I swear I was in another room in another place, with both Persia and John.  How odd. "Shivers"  That had to be a strange feeling. Skritches, KittyLady

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When I was in college, my roommate and I had a little cat named Shad.  One night Susan had a reaction to some Chinese food and we rushed her to the local emergency room for treatment.  They shot her up with benedryl and epinephrine (and upper and a downer, basically) and after observing her for a couple of hours, we came home. She woke up an hour later and thought she was still in the hospital.  Shad was on her bed and she was terrified they would find him and throw him out the door, miles from home. So, she snatched him up and tossed him off the bed.  She then laid back down but Ohmigoodness! could still feel him moving around on the bed!  She sat up and tossed him off the bed a little more firmly, this time. She laid back down but dang! he was STILL moving around on the bed!  She sat and grabbed him, but this time she woke up enough to know that she was at home, and had been throwing Shad into the wall on the right side of her bed.  He jumped off the bed in a hurry and didn’t try to sleep with her for a LONG time, no matter what enticements she offered.  I often wonder what the poor guy thought, having her snatch him up and throw him into the wall repeatedly… Cindy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was in college, my roommate and I had a little cat named Shad. One night Susan had a reaction to some Chinese food and we rushed her to the local emergency room for treatment.  They shot her up with benedryl and epinephrine (and upper and a downer, basically) and after observing her for a couple of hours, we came home. She woke up an hour later and thought she was still in the hospital. Shad was on her bed and she was terrified they would find him and throw him out the door, miles from home. So, she snatched him up and tossed him off the bed.  She then laid back down but Ohmigoodness! could still feel him moving around on the bed!  She sat up and tossed him off the bed a little more firmly, this time. She laid back down but dang! he was STILL moving around on the bed!  She sat and grabbed him, but this time she woke up enough to know that she was at home, and had been throwing Shad into the wall on the right side of her bed.  He jumped off the bed in a hurry and didn’t try to sleep with her for a LONG time, no matter what enticements she offered.  I often wonder what the poor guy thought, having her snatch him up and throw him into the wall repeatedly… Cindy

Now that’s scary!  At least all I did was try to shush my cat in order for her to not wake someone up who wasn’t even there!  And no, I wasn’t on drugs. Jill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I was in college, my roommate and I had a little cat named Shad. One night Susan had a reaction to some Chinese food and we rushed her to the local emergency room for treatment.  They shot her up with benedryl and epinephrine (and upper and a downer, basically) and after observing her for a couple of hours, we came home. She woke up an hour later and thought she was still in the hospital. Shad was on her bed and she was terrified they would find him and throw him out the door, miles from home. So, she snatched him up and tossed him off the bed.  She then laid back down but Ohmigoodness! could still feel him moving around on the bed!  She sat up and tossed him off the bed a little more firmly, this time. She laid back down but dang! he was STILL moving around on the bed!  She sat and grabbed him, but this time she woke up enough to know that she was at home, and had been throwing Shad into the wall on the right side of her bed.  He jumped off the bed in a hurry and didn’t try to sleep with her for a LONG time, no matter what enticements she offered.  I often wonder what the poor guy thought, having her snatch him up and throw him into the wall repeatedly… Cindy

About 12 years ago, I was having a very restless night, I turned over in bed and banged Snoopy’s head against the wall with my elbow, it hurt my elbow I dread to think how much it hurt her, I felt physically sick. She didn’t sleep on my bed for about a week after that, then for the next few months she sleapt by my feet. Since then she’s sleapt by my head again. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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I must be travelling too much.  I woke up a short while ago with Persia next to me and I didn’t know where I was.  I could have sworn I was in a hotel room with my LLL asleep next to me.  Persia woke up with me and started her "mama" meow and purring and head butting and I was telling her "shhhh, don’t wake him" and giving her scritches.  I couldn’t find my glasses on the night stand and I didn’t want to turn on a light.  When I finally did find my glasses I couldn’t find the door to the bathroom.  It was only when I found the bathroom and the light switch I realized I was at home in my own bedroom and no, he’s not here with me.  It was a very disconcerting feeling to not know I was in my own home. I used to have issues with sleep-walking.  I know I was probably groggy and stuff but I *was* awake.  This was more like a waking dream.  I swear I was in another room in another place, with both Persia and John.  How odd. Jill (who is definitely awake now) — I used to have a handle on life…but it broke off.

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Waking Up in the Morning is Hell! Anyone Have this Problem?

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"Robert" <rk73…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:8c7b0f9.0411252137.b71685b@posting.google.com… > Does anyone feel really terrible when they wake up each morning? At > night you feel good and you go to bed positive but the morning? Total > hell. It’s so painful. I’m not talking about typical > hard-to-get-out-of-bed. I mean the feeling like you’ve been thrown > down a long flight of hard stairs. What is this? What causes this? If > you get 10 or 12 or more hours it’s not bad but in doing so you feel > groggy. Does anyone know why they feel so bad upon waking?

I only feel bad after 10 or 12 hours in bed… that’s just too long in bed for me.  If you are sleeping well 12 hours isn’t needed is it??  WOW LB

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Robert wrote: > Does anyone feel really terrible when they wake up each morning? At > night you feel good and you go to bed positive but the morning? Total > hell. It’s so painful. I’m not talking about typical > hard-to-get-out-of-bed. I mean the feeling like you’ve been thrown > down a long flight of hard stairs. What is this? What causes this? If > you get 10 or 12 or more hours it’s not bad but in doing so you feel > groggy. Does anyone know why they feel so bad upon waking?

If you have a weight problem, then it could be that your body is not getting enough restorative sleep to combat the extra workload put on your muscles throughout the day. However, it sounds like you definitely need a sleep study to rule out anything happening while you are sleeping (sleep walking, nocturnal seizures or restless leg).  If you are doing things in your sleep that you don’t know about, you may be putting yourself at risk for injury.

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New to group, Question

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Thanks for all the suggestions. I am really having a trying time. Just to tired to think, I don’t hear the machine, I just hear air blowing. Maybe my mouth is dropping open. I have been dx with sleep apnea for about a Year and a half now. Slept real good at first. No dreams, No sleep walking, and no nightmares…Now, can’t sleep at all. Thanks again, I will keep reading the postings, and hopefully get some ideas. SSB

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Someone, Are you using the Nasalaire interface? I’ve heard that they made a newer one, Nasalaire II that is much quieter than the original. If you are using the original Nasalaire, maybe you can contact your supplier about trying the II. Anna in article HUh%c.126773$9d6.23102@attbi_s54, some…@somedomain.com.invalid at some…@somedomain.com.invalid wrote on 9/7/04 5:33 AM: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am new to the group, but, would like to ask a question. > I have had bariatric surgery, I was 283lbs, Diabetic, dx, with Sleep Apnea, & > COPD, and Arthritis, and > Lower back pain. I still have all of the above, except I now weigh 158lbs. > I have been re-avaluated 2x’s since losing weight. My machine is set at 7, and > I use a warm air humidifier. > I have been having trouble sleeping. I use the nose Hose..I don’t know the > official name of it, the > one like an oxygen mask. I hear the air blowing all night, and can’t sleep. > It’s driving me crazy. > So, I have been sleeping without my machine. So, basically I haven’t been > sleeping. I toss and turn > all night long. Does Anyone have any suggestions, on what I can do to cut down > the noise. > I am soooo tired…Thanks…(SSB)

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How long have you been using CPAP?  I found that it sounded like an airplane at first, but got barely noticeable the longer I used it. My pressure is set at 11.

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On 07 Sep 2004 14:47:41 GMT, RSNOQUALMIE wrote: >How long have you been using CPAP?  

I became a Hoover Head the weekend before Labor Day 1998. (Easy to remember exactly when.)

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I am new to the group, but, would like to ask a question. I have had bariatric surgery, I was 283lbs, Diabetic, dx, with Sleep Apnea, & COPD, and Arthritis, and Lower back pain. I still have all of the above, except I now weigh 158lbs. I have been re-avaluated 2x’s since losing weight. My machine is set at 7, and I use a warm air humidifier. I have been having trouble sleeping. I use the nose Hose..I don’t know the official name of it, the one like an oxygen mask. I hear the air blowing all night, and can’t sleep. It’s driving me crazy. So, I have been sleeping without my machine. So, basically I haven’t been sleeping. I toss and turn all night long. Does Anyone have any suggestions, on what I can do to cut down the noise. I am soooo tired…Thanks…(SSB)

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> I have been having trouble sleeping. I use the nose Hose..I don’t know the > official name of it, the > one like an oxygen mask. I hear the air blowing all night, and can’t > sleep. It’s driving me crazy. > So, I have been sleeping without my machine. So, basically I haven’t been > sleeping. I toss and turn > all night long. Does Anyone have any suggestions, on what I can do to cut > down the noise. > I am soooo tired…Thanks…(SSB)

is the noise from the machine or the mask? if it’s the machine, and it’s a really old model, the newer models are typically quieter if it’s the mask, you may be experiencing problems with leaks – a mask that isn’t fit properly or doesn’t seal properly can be noisy if it’s leaking. if you’re not experiencing mask leaks and the mask is just too noisy, consider one of the Fisher & Paykel masks, they have a diffuser that makes them very quiet. — Beth in Australia (I am not a qualified medical professional and unless I quote sources anything posted by me is my opinion only and you should always check with your doctor) ============================================= Sleep Disorders Newsgroup FAQ Website http://talhost.net/sleep Newsgroup archives http://www.talhost.net/sleep/archives.htm =============================================

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OT:

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So can I post anything I want, in any newsgroup I want, as often as I want, as long as I put OT in the header? Cool. So I don’t even need to switch newsgroups?  wow.  cool.

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LOL.

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So says Jordan: So can I post anything I want, in any newsgroup I want, as often as I want, as long as I put OT in the header? Cool. So I don’t even need to switch newsgroups?  wow.  cool.

You don’t even have to put OT in the header; that’s just a guideline. – Avenger

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i am very happy for you and can only imagine how excited you are.  enjoy the time together!! jeff, cd class of o1

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In 24 hours approximately my soldier will be here and I will get caught up bother you but I just had to tell you how excited I am. UM MOM Susan

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Too cool, Susan.  Give him a hug from his hick auntie please {{{{{{{Brynne &

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In 24 hours approximately my soldier will be here and I will get caught up bother you but I just had to tell you how excited I am. UM MOM Susan

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That’s great Susan.  Time seems to have flown by.  Enjoy your visit with your son.  And I hope you feel great when he’s there. — Take Care, Sherry  :o)

In 24 hours approximately my soldier will be here and I will get caught up bother you but I just had to tell you how excited I am. UM MOM Susan

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Ceresse his name is spelled Brynn.  You guys check the time this is posted. It is like just before a big or Christmas.  I can’t sleep.  Go to go before I get found.  Love you all, UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Too cool, Susan.  Give him a hug from his hick auntie please {{{{{{{Brynne & In 24 hours approximately my soldier will be here and I will get caught up bother you but I just had to tell you how excited I am. UM MOM Susan

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Susan- Enjoy your time with Brynn!  I’m sure it will do you so much good (for the body and soul!) Be well- Tracy CD class of ‘98 my homepage: http://home.talkcity.com/ParadiseDr/goodboie/index.html  : )  smile – it makes people wonder what you’re up to!

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Enjoy him Susan and have a great holiday Peace and Love Maryjo

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Sorry about that!  : ) (blushes shamefully) Ceresse

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ceresse his name is spelled Brynn.  You guys check the time this is posted. It is like just before a big or Christmas.  I can’t sleep.  Go to go before I get found.  Love you all, UM MOM Susan Too cool, Susan.  Give him a hug from his hick auntie please {{{{{{{Brynne & In 24 hours approximately my soldier will be here and I will get caught up bother you but I just had to tell you how excited I am. UM MOM Susan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry about that!  : ) (blushes shamefully) Ceresse Ceresse his name is spelled Brynn.  You guys check the time this is posted. It is like just before a big or Christmas.  I can’t sleep.  Go to go before I get found.  Love you all, UM MOM Susan Too cool, Susan.  Give him a hug from his hick auntie please {{{{{{{Brynne & In 24 hours approximately my soldier will be here and I will get caught up to bother you but I just had to tell you how excited I am. UM MOM Susan

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In 24 hours approximately my soldier will be here and I will get caught up bother you but I just had to tell you how excited I am. UM MOM Susan

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Susan, I understand completely how you feel.  I’ve waited on the arrival of a soldier myself Hugs,  Linda

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In 24 hours approximately my soldier will be here and I will get caught up bother you but I just had to tell you how excited I am. UM MOM Susan

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I got  pictures on my computer.  I already sent some out but if you are interested email me directly please.  UM MOM Susan

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I noticed I didn’t say anthing in the subject line.  They are the pics that a few have requested.  So email me at home please, I don’t want to upset anyone.  Thanks, UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got  pictures on my computer.  I already sent some out but if you are interested email me directly please.  UM MOM Susan

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The pictures are really cool.  Thanks Susan!  : ) Ceresse

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I noticed I didn’t say anthing in the subject line.  They are the pics that a few have requested.  So email me at home please, I don’t want to upset anyone.  Thanks, UM MOM Susan I got  pictures on my computer.  I already sent some out but if you are interested email me directly please.  UM MOM Susan

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Good night everyone. May you feel good and enjoy the weekend.  UM MOM Susan who hopes to stay in bed tonight! ;o)

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Right back at ya Susan Lisa Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length ~Robert Frost

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Same to you, Susan. Sure hope you have a wonderful weekend. Rebecca

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good night everyone. May you feel good and enjoy the weekend.  UM MOM Susan who hopes to stay in bed tonight! ;o)

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So far so good! Hope you have a great weekend too, and get breakfast in bed tomorrow morning.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good night everyone. May you feel good and enjoy the weekend.  UM MOM Susan who hopes to stay in bed tonight! ;o)

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R U sleep walking again susan????  shame….LOL jeffy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good night everyone. May you feel good and enjoy the weekend.  UM MOM Susan who hopes to stay in bed tonight! ;o)

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So far so good! Hope you have a great weekend too, and get breakfast in bed tomorrow morning. Good night everyone. May you feel good and enjoy the weekend.  UM MOM  Susan who hopes to stay in bed tonight! ;o)

susan//hugs to brynn from annie(tho i have excitotonic bd i think i am capable of love and hugs)

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Yes it was, sorry hit send to fast.  I got your email and responded.  If you receive it, I will make a copy of my colonoscopy paper as soon as my hubby has the right computer up for me to send the copy to me then to you about the sleep apnea.  UM MOM Susan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Susan, I assume this message is to me, Paula. I will send you of list assuming the above addy is correct, using my correct one so that you can just click reply. I don’t think anyone else has a problem. Do you have the "v" in there?? Give me about 1 hour after this then you should have a private email from me. Paula I sent to you again and still got a message that it was not received in 4 hours and that they would try for 5 days before deleting it.  Am I the only person having trouble getting to your email.  I rechecked to make sure I had the right addy that you posted and I do but still nada.  Don’t know why this is happening personally.  Maybe someone else knows.  UM MOM Susan

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I sent to you again and still got a message that it was not received in 4 hours and that they would try for 5 days before deleting it.  Am I the only person having trouble getting to your email.  I rechecked to make sure I had the right addy that you posted and I do but still nada.  Don’t know why this is happening personally.  Maybe someone else knows.  UM MOM Susan

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Susan, I assume this message is to me, Paula. I will send you of list assuming the above addy is correct, using my correct one so that you can just click reply. I don’t think anyone else has a problem. Do you have the "v" in there?? Give me about 1 hour after this then you should have a private email from me. Paula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sent to you again and still got a message that it was not received in 4 hours and that they would try for 5 days before deleting it.  Am I the only person having trouble getting to your email.  I rechecked to make sure I had the right addy that you posted and I do but still nada.  Don’t know why this is happening personally.  Maybe someone else knows.  UM MOM Susan

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If you use the German reader news.cis.cfn.de You need to email them so the will set you up at the new location as it have been turned over to another place to taking care of it.  BellSouth has discontinued their hosting of newsgroups so if you are using them for a reader than you need to contact them also.  I guess it is a epidemic of moving the readers around.:-) UM MOM Susan

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sdores said… If you use the German reader news.cis.cfn.de You need to email them so the will set you up at the new location as it have been turned over to another place to taking care of it.

<Discreet cough Ahem. </dc Sorry Susan, but I don’t think that’s quite right.  Rather than email them you can just change the name of the server to news.individual.net in the server properties box in your newsreader.  The situation is simply that the university in Berlin have split their news server into two parts, which for the time being are working in tandem.  Full details and more information from http://news.cis.dfn.de/namechange-en.html (change of name) and http://news.individual.net/ (general information including how to sign up) — Fran The email address in the headers is now a spamtrap; however ynyschwith at lineone dot net (no spaces) will reach me.

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THINGS TO THINK ABOUT The people on our planet are not standing in a single file. Look closely, Everyone is really standing in a circle, holding hands It eventually comes back to you!!! Always know in your heart that you are far bigger than anything that can happen to you. If You Were To Write Your Own "Epitaph" Today, What Would It Say? Feelings are everywhere Be gentle Collect memories and tie them in rainbow color’s of love to be taken out and read like Love letters containing the story of your life. Write laughter between the lines of family tales before handing them down to new generations, who, like relay runners, eagerly wait to add to the plot. Savor the fingerprints on windows and walls of the home, for they are love notes scribbled around the margins of the family’s heart. May you always speak the Truth quietly, listen with an open mind when others speak and remember the peace that may be found in silence.   The human heart feels things the eyes cannot see, and knows what the mind cannot understand." And the soul would have no rainbow Had the eyes no tears If You Could Find Out The Truth About Any One Thing, What Would You Want To Know? The Heart knows NO distance No place in time Only the heart beat of LOVE Growing old is a privilege denied to many Do not be lost in Silent tears Stretch out your Wings in offerings of love and forgiveness. Let your heart be free of shadows and dark clouds and let Rainbow dreams color your world with Love, Hope, Peace and Unity. Our hearts, in big and small ways will keep the love that keeps us strong A lifetimes not to long to live as Friends Friends are Friends forever

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UNDER OUR SKIN! There once was an oyster, whose story I tell; Who found that some sand, had gotten into his shell. It was only a grain, but it gave him great pain; For oysters have feelings, although they are plain. Now, did he berate the harsh workings of fate, That had brought him to such a deplorable state? "No," he said to himself, "Since I cannot remove it, I’ll lie in my shell, and think how to improve it." The years rolled around,as the years always do, And he came to his ultimate Destiny…stew. Now the small grain of sand that had bothered him so, Was a beautiful pearl all richly aglow. This tale has a moral, for isn’t it grand, What an oyster can do with a morsel of sand? Think… What could WE do, If we’d only begin, With some of the things that get under OUR skin. Author Unknown

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* Hold On Hold on tightly to what is truly important in life. Hold on to faith; It is the source of believing that all things are possible.  It is the fiber and strength of a confident soul. Hold on to hope; It banishes doubt and enables attitudes to be positive and cheerful. Hold on to trust; It is at the core of fruitful relationships that are secure and content. Hold on to love; It is life’s greatest gift of all, for it shares, cares, and gives meaning to life. Hold on to family and friends; They are the most important people in your life, and they make the world a better place. They are your roots, and the beginnings that you grew from; they are the vine that has grown through time to nourish you, help you on your way, and always remain close by. Hold on to all that you are and all that you have learned, for these things are what makes you unique. Don’t ignore what you feel and what you believe is right and important; Your heart has a way of speaking louder than your mind. Hold on to your dreams; Achieve them diligently and honestly. Never take the easy way or surrender to deceit. Remember others on your way and take time to care for their needs. Enjoy the beauty around you. Have the courage to see things differently and clearly? Make the world a better place one day at a time. And don’t let go of the important things that give meaning to your life.

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BTW, my last reply was a sympathy reply actually since you didn’t seem to have many takers to this post. Adrienne 8m

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Prolly because 90% of the americans didn’t understand it.  hahahah Bren MMMM BTW, my last reply was a sympathy reply actually since you didn’t seem to have many takers to this post. Adrienne 8m

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What the hell is folding stuff?

Money…

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No, I’ve got my own heros thank you very much……. http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~laurence/shane/pics/happy.jpg

I saw Shane MacGowan at the London Fleadh 1999. It completely destroyed my impression of him as a great artist. He was pissed as and slurred out incomprehensible lyrics while emptying the content of a Vodka bottle as his performance dragged on. I felt guilty for standing and applauding him as he was clearly in need of a nice cuppa, a good sleep and a trip to the Betty Ford clinic. I have no idea whether he’s lost control or whether he just had too much that day. He makes most Irish men look sober Incidentally, those of you who follow music, will be aware of the rather tragic death today of Kirsty McColl(hit by a speed boat while swimming off the shore of Mexico) who dueted with Shane MacGowan(lead singer of The Pogues and the guy featured in the photo) on the really incredibly excellent Fairytale in New York.

That is a huge loss. I saw her live only 5 months ago. Speechless. A real tragedy. Dave

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Some blokes always wanted to look like Paul Newman……not me.

Well too bad – you have his eyes (I’m not kidding people.  His eyes are exactly like Paul Newman’s). Some blokes wanted all the best looking birds in town……no such luck.

Stop referring to women as animals.  It’s degrading. wanted to win Brain of Britian….not enough brain cells. Some blokes just wanted sacks of folding stuff…..can’t be arsed, too late to chase that now.

What the hell is folding stuff? No, I’ve got my own heros thank you very much…….

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Whatever. Adrienne 8m

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Some blokes always wanted to look like Paul Newman……not me. Some blokes wanted all the best looking birds in town……no such luck. wanted to win Brain of Britian….not enough brain cells. Some blokes just wanted sacks of folding stuff…..can’t be arsed, too late to chase that now. No, I’ve got my own heros thank you very much……. http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~laurence/shane/pics/happy.jpg Incidentally, those of you who follow music, will be aware of the rather tragic death today of Kirsty McColl(hit by a speed boat while swimming off the shore of Mexico) who dueted with Shane MacGowan(lead singer of The Pogues and the guy featured in the photo) on the really incredibly excellent Fairytale in New York. Life is fragile… and more great Pogue pictures http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~laurence/shane/gallery.html bobf

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THINGS TO THINK ABOUT The people on our planet are not standing in a single file. Look closely, Everyone is really standing in a circle, holding hands It eventually comes back to you!!! Always know in your heart that you are far bigger than anything that can happen to you. If You Were To Write Your Own "Epitaph" Today, What Would It Say? Feelings are everywhere Be gentle Collect memories and tie them in rainbow color’s of love to be taken out and read like Love letters containing the story of your life. Write laughter between the lines of family tales before handing them down to new generations, who, like relay runners, eagerly wait to add to the plot. Savor the fingerprints on windows and walls of the home, for they are love notes scribbled around the margins of the family’s heart. May you always speak the Truth quietly, listen with an open mind when others speak and remember the peace that may be found in silence.   The human heart feels things the eyes cannot see, and knows what the mind cannot understand." And the soul would have no rainbow Had the eyes no tears If You Could Find Out The Truth About Any One Thing, What Would You Want To Know? The Heart knows NO distance No place in time Only the heart beat of LOVE Growing old is a privilege denied to many Do not be lost in Silent tears Stretch out your Wings in offerings of love and forgiveness. Let your heart be free of shadows and dark clouds and let Rainbow dreams color your world with Love, Hope, Peace and Unity. Our hearts, in big and small ways will keep the love that keeps us strong A lifetimes not to long to live as Friends Friends are Friends forever

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UNDER OUR SKIN! There once was an oyster, whose story I tell; Who found that some sand, had gotten into his shell. It was only a grain, but it gave him great pain; For oysters have feelings, although they are plain. Now, did he berate the harsh workings of fate, That had brought him to such a deplorable state? "No," he said to himself, "Since I cannot remove it, I’ll lie in my shell, and think how to improve it." The years rolled around,as the years always do, And he came to his ultimate Destiny…stew. Now the small grain of sand that had bothered him so, Was a beautiful pearl all richly aglow. This tale has a moral, for isn’t it grand, What an oyster can do with a morsel of sand? Think… What could WE do, If we’d only begin, With some of the things that get under OUR skin. Author Unknown

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* Hold On Hold on tightly to what is truly important in life. Hold on to faith; It is the source of believing that all things are possible.  It is the fiber and strength of a confident soul. Hold on to hope; It banishes doubt and enables attitudes to be positive and cheerful. Hold on to trust; It is at the core of fruitful relationships that are secure and content. Hold on to love; It is life’s greatest gift of all, for it shares, cares, and gives meaning to life. Hold on to family and friends; They are the most important people in your life, and they make the world a better place. They are your roots, and the beginnings that you grew from; they are the vine that has grown through time to nourish you, help you on your way, and always remain close by. Hold on to all that you are and all that you have learned, for these things are what makes you unique. Don’t ignore what you feel and what you believe is right and important; Your heart has a way of speaking louder than your mind. Hold on to your dreams; Achieve them diligently and honestly. Never take the easy way or surrender to deceit. Remember others on your way and take time to care for their needs. Enjoy the beauty around you. Have the courage to see things differently and clearly? Make the world a better place one day at a time. And don’t let go of the important things that give meaning to your life.

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BTW, my last reply was a sympathy reply actually since you didn’t seem to have many takers to this post. Adrienne 8m

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Prolly because 90% of the americans didn’t understand it.  hahahah Bren MMMM BTW, my last reply was a sympathy reply actually since you didn’t seem to have many takers to this post. Adrienne 8m

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What the hell is folding stuff?

Money…

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No, I’ve got my own heros thank you very much……. http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~laurence/shane/pics/happy.jpg

I saw Shane MacGowan at the London Fleadh 1999. It completely destroyed my impression of him as a great artist. He was pissed as and slurred out incomprehensible lyrics while emptying the content of a Vodka bottle as his performance dragged on. I felt guilty for standing and applauding him as he was clearly in need of a nice cuppa, a good sleep and a trip to the Betty Ford clinic. I have no idea whether he’s lost control or whether he just had too much that day. He makes most Irish men look sober Incidentally, those of you who follow music, will be aware of the rather tragic death today of Kirsty McColl(hit by a speed boat while swimming off the shore of Mexico) who dueted with Shane MacGowan(lead singer of The Pogues and the guy featured in the photo) on the really incredibly excellent Fairytale in New York.

That is a huge loss. I saw her live only 5 months ago. Speechless. A real tragedy. Dave

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Some blokes always wanted to look like Paul Newman……not me.

Well too bad – you have his eyes (I’m not kidding people.  His eyes are exactly like Paul Newman’s). Some blokes wanted all the best looking birds in town……no such luck.

Stop referring to women as animals.  It’s degrading. wanted to win Brain of Britian….not enough brain cells. Some blokes just wanted sacks of folding stuff…..can’t be arsed, too late to chase that now.

What the hell is folding stuff? No, I’ve got my own heros thank you very much…….

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Whatever. Adrienne 8m

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Some blokes always wanted to look like Paul Newman……not me. Some blokes wanted all the best looking birds in town……no such luck. wanted to win Brain of Britian….not enough brain cells. Some blokes just wanted sacks of folding stuff…..can’t be arsed, too late to chase that now. No, I’ve got my own heros thank you very much……. http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~laurence/shane/pics/happy.jpg Incidentally, those of you who follow music, will be aware of the rather tragic death today of Kirsty McColl(hit by a speed boat while swimming off the shore of Mexico) who dueted with Shane MacGowan(lead singer of The Pogues and the guy featured in the photo) on the really incredibly excellent Fairytale in New York. Life is fragile… and more great Pogue pictures http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~laurence/shane/gallery.html bobf

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Contrarian all fours meditation

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Hello Ben, I wish you could tell the cancer cells to meditate.  They will not. You can, and such, but the cells will double and triple. I understand the thought of leading a good life, meditating, breathing in and out, and do you still get a cold now and then? Do you have a sore shoulder, or a worry? In-other words, meditation is good for all around mental good feeling. Running does that for me! I am trying to say that running for me would not cure cancer, and that mediatating may make you feel great, Meditate after the cancer has been diagnosed, and removed. My 2 penny’s. I do believe in meditation, and such…..but that is prior to a say"broken arm" runny nose, arthritis….. You are diagnosed, and have an illness……. If you broke an arm would meditation heal it? Please, get some help, live healty, and find a Dr. you can trust! Meditate…It cannot hurt, but the cancer inside can! John Loomis Please keep us posted.  We worry and do not want to have to add more meditation to our schedule for  friends that are ill. Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contrarian All Fours Meditation This submission is about meditation and the immune system. Before having a biopsy, which diagnosed my prostate as cancerous I looked into meditation on the WWW for a therapeutic remedy. One site told me that the brain was not connected to cancer and since meditation is a function of the brain it could have no possible effect. Being a contrarian by nature and probably after this – to some – a crackpot, I have decided to take issue with that. The basic tenet of meditation is I think, to sit still and somehow slow your heartbeat while breathing normally. I call it lulling your body to sleep. I decided to walk around my rec. room very slowly (not as slow as Tim Conway did as the old man on the Carol Burnett show) and breathe deeply, repeating (mentally)’I am’ while inhaling and ‘alive’ when exhaling very slowly. When exhaling I can feel a soothing rush moving from the top of my body down to my feet. I’m theorizing that during inactive meditation the immune system goes to sleep. Walking, while breathing deeply, increases circulation perhaps activating the system. Saying I’m alive is a factual statement sending a positive message through your body, in contrast to: I want to live or other such statements, which to me is pleading and therefore negative. Perhaps you body’s immunity manager would even be offended and shout, "get the hell off my back I’ve got enough on my hands down here sorting out all the crap you’re swallowing!" An aside While walking I noticed that my palms got cold when inhaling and then suddenly warm when exhaling. It is almost as if my body breathes through the skin. I’ve only tried it once while sitting with my socks off and it seems to have the same effect on my soles. This is most effective in a colder room. Well all right – I’m procrastinating. Continuing After a few days I decided to yield to conventional wisdom and sit down meditating, only still breathing deeply. I have read somewhere that you should meditate for twenty minutes at the time. That is a long time to stay in the same position, so after five minutes, for some inexplicable reason, I decided to get down on all fours for the next five. Here comes the crackpot part. Since it is impossible for me to go on repeating, I’m alive, due to a brain with a mind of its own (there’s a thought); I got thinking about animals living their lives that way. Then I remembered reading somewhere that the spine has not yet evolved perfectly for bipedalism, which is supposed to be the reason why so many of us have back problems. In evolutionary terms we have in one form or another spend much more time on all fours than otherwise. Is it possible then that the immune system has a similar problem and that it functions better on all fours? During the following few days I included five minute kneeling with my forearms on a chair, simulating the spine angle of some of our ancestors; then for variety, five minutes standing with my forearms resting on a table. Finally, as a way of tipping my hat to inactive meditation, I sit on a chair again for five minutes while breathing normally, still relishing the rush, which by then feels almost orgasmic – well close. If it’s near bedtime, I’m almost asleep. If nothing else, changing positions makes the time fly. In addition I feel rejuvenated and relaxed after each session.  I use my screensaver as a timer, (six minutes by now) which means that I just have to touch the mouse after each segment. That is thirty minutes three times a day. Gentlemen and – oh yes – ladies, start your critiques please.                 Ben the contrarian

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Contrarian All Fours Meditation This submission is about meditation and the immune system.

… Ben, You didn’t say whether you are using meditation as an adjunct to medical treatment, or as a substitute for it.  If you are using it as a substitute, then I want to second everything John Loomis said. Anecdotal evidence to the contrary, meditation will not cure cancer.  If you try meditation first just to see what it will do, you run a serious risk of letting the cancer develop further so that medical treatment becomes more difficult and more problematic.  Your best bet is to plan to get medical treatment now. It may well be true that meditation stimulates the immune system.  But you already know that your immune system did not prevent this cancer.  Do you trust it, even if somewhat stimulated, to reverse the course of the cancer? Bear in mind also that chemical treatments designed to stimulate the immune system (e.g., Interleukin 2) generally do not work or, if they do work, only do so for a very limited time – perhaps containing the cancer for a while but very, very rarely killing it. Medical treatment is nasty.  There’s no doubt about it. Whether you choose surgery or radiation, violence will be done to your body.  You won’t be quite the same afterwards.  But there is a very excellent chance that, if the treatment is performed in time, you will kill the cancer and survive. Meditation is pleasant.  It does no violence to the body. But, unless you are an older man with a slow growing cancer who is likely to die of something else first, there is an excellent chance that with meditation alone the cancer will kill you and you will die a very nasty death, with much, much worse pain and suffering than from the medical treatments. So, by all means, meditate.  But get medical treatment!     Alan

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Thanks for the advice. I waiting for my appointment at a cancer clinic and have every intentions of being treated as well as continuing with my contrarian ways. Ben – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contrarian All Fours Meditation This submission is about meditation and the immune system. … Ben, You didn’t say whether you are using meditation as an adjunct to medical treatment, or as a substitute for it.  If you are using it as a substitute, then I want to second everything John Loomis said. Anecdotal evidence to the contrary, meditation will not cure cancer.  If you try meditation first just to see what it will do, you run a serious risk of letting the cancer develop further so that medical treatment becomes more difficult and more problematic.  Your best bet is to plan to get medical treatment now. It may well be true that meditation stimulates the immune system.  But you already know that your immune system did not prevent this cancer.  Do you trust it, even if somewhat stimulated, to reverse the course of the cancer? Bear in mind also that chemical treatments designed to stimulate the immune system (e.g., Interleukin 2) generally do not work or, if they do work, only do so for a very limited time – perhaps containing the cancer for a while but very, very rarely killing it. Medical treatment is nasty.  There’s no doubt about it. Whether you choose surgery or radiation, violence will be done to your body.  You won’t be quite the same afterwards.  But there is a very excellent chance that, if the treatment is performed in time, you will kill the cancer and survive. Meditation is pleasant.  It does no violence to the body. But, unless you are an older man with a slow growing cancer who is likely to die of something else first, there is an excellent chance that with meditation alone the cancer will kill you and you will die a very nasty death, with much, much worse pain and suffering than from the medical treatments. So, by all means, meditate.  But get medical treatment!    Alan

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Contrarian All Fours Meditation This submission is about meditation and the immune system. Before having a biopsy, which diagnosed my prostate as cancerous I looked into meditation on the WWW for a therapeutic remedy. One site told me that the brain was not connected to cancer and since meditation is a function of the brain it could have no possible effect. Being a contrarian by nature and probably after this – to some – a crackpot, I have decided to take issue with that. The basic tenet of meditation is I think, to sit still and somehow slow your heartbeat while breathing normally. I call it lulling your body to sleep. I decided to walk around my rec. room very slowly (not as slow as Tim Conway did as the old man on the Carol Burnett show) and breathe deeply, repeating (mentally)’I am’ while inhaling and ‘alive’ when exhaling very slowly. When exhaling I can feel a soothing rush moving from the top of my body down to my feet. I’m theorizing that during inactive meditation the immune system goes to sleep. Walking, while breathing deeply, increases circulation perhaps activating the system. Saying I’m alive is a factual statement sending a positive message through your body, in contrast to: I want to live or other such statements, which to me is pleading and therefore negative. Perhaps you body’s immunity manager would even be offended and shout, "get the hell off my back I’ve got enough on my hands down here sorting out all the crap you’re swallowing!" An aside While walking I noticed that my palms got cold when inhaling and then suddenly warm when exhaling. It is almost as if my body breathes through the skin. I’ve only tried it once while sitting with my socks off and it seems to have the same effect on my soles. This is most effective in a colder room. Well all right – I’m procrastinating. Continuing After a few days I decided to yield to conventional wisdom and sit down meditating, only still breathing deeply. I have read somewhere that you should meditate for twenty minutes at the time. That is a long time to stay in the same position, so after five minutes, for some inexplicable reason, I decided to get down on all fours for the next five. Here comes the crackpot part. Since it is impossible for me to go on repeating, I’m alive, due to a brain with a mind of its own (there’s a thought); I got thinking about animals living their lives that way. Then I remembered reading somewhere that the spine has not yet evolved perfectly for bipedalism, which is supposed to be the reason why so many of us have back problems. In evolutionary terms we have in one form or another spend much more time on all fours than otherwise. Is it possible then that the immune system has a similar problem and that it functions better on all fours? During the following few days I included five minute kneeling with my forearms on a chair, simulating the spine angle of some of our ancestors; then for variety, five minutes standing with my forearms resting on a table. Finally, as a way of tipping my hat to inactive meditation, I sit on a chair again for five minutes while breathing normally, still relishing the rush, which by then feels almost orgasmic – well close. If it’s near bedtime, I’m almost asleep. If nothing else, changing positions makes the time fly. In addition I feel rejuvenated and relaxed after each session.  I use my screensaver as a timer, (six minutes by now) which means that I just have to touch the mouse after each segment. That is thirty minutes three times a day.   Gentlemen and – oh yes – ladies, start your critiques please.                     Ben the contrarian

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Helllp!!

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"Herman Family" <celc…@frontiernets.net/without_any_s/> wrote in message

news:PwEWb.16767$QO6.4015@news02.roc.ny… > Damson, >     Take care of yourself and grandson.  Our prayers are with you.  That > trip to Toronto would be a good idea.

Thanks.  I made the trip.  I went down and we were there before 11 Thursday. And, we drove back home at 3:30.  My grandson was admitted for another four days of  chemo.  Two drugs on alternating days, and I guess a day to recover on the fifth and last day.  He wasn’t sick with the first run of them, but they said he probably will be this time.  The tumor wasn’t totally gone, maybe 80-85%.  The doctor said it was the size of an orange.  He will go back to Tornto in three weeks and they will test again, to see if it’s gone. And I guess we wait again.  You know what’s so weird about this sleep-walking thing?  I cooked bacon in a frying pan.  In the first place, I hardly ever eat bacon.  Second, when I do, I usually nuke it.  You think it’s something weirdly freudian or what?  :) I am staying here, and will take care of my grandaughter till they come back.  I have been in touch with my family doctor, asking if he can give me a little help getting into a deeper sleep while I’m responsble for my granddaughter.  I’ve got through all of this without support from the pharamcy but I’m willing to get something that will just put me into a deeper sleep, at least for a few day.  My son might stay with me some nights, but he’s not sure.  We will go out and about, do things during the day.  The poor lamb has been so neglected as a result of this and it’s hard to avoid doing so.   I hope she’ll get some attention for herself from me. D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Michael > "Damson Rhee" <dr…@netscape.com> wrote in message > news:hnyWb.6663$lK.499860@news20.bellglobal.com… > > "Herman Family" <celc…@frontiernets.net/without_any_s/> wrote in message > > news:46yWb.15582$7P2.13988@news01.roc.ny… > > > I realize that you are having trouble getting sleep, and that you have a > > lot > > > going on.  After looking at your story I’ve decided that if I were in > your > > > shoes, without sleep apnea, I would be lucky to get even a few minutes > of > > > good sleep per night.  I’m sorry to hear about your grandson’s cancer. > It > > > is very difficult when your child (or grandchild) is ill and you can’t > do > > > anything about it. > > True.  That’s why I was so proud of my ability to "shut off" and still > > sleep.  Maybe it’s just an accumulation of it all.  Maybe it is just this > > last thing.  :) > > > Personally, I think you are right about your problems.  You do need to > > know > > > what is going on in order to achieve any mental or emotional peace. > Drugs > > > aren’t going to do this, dealing with the problems will.  It sounds like > > you > > > are adept at dealing with issues, even tough ones.   Herein lies the > > > problem.  You are now dealing with more than one soul is supposed to > > handle > > > at a time.  While you are usually the "rock", consider leaving that task > > to > > > someone else this time. > > I know.  They are going to go to Toronto for a biopsy tomorrow.  They have > > asked if I want to go.  I’m trying to decide what would be best.  At least > > if I went, I’d know right away, when they do, what the results are. > > Talk to your family about the issues, find a good > > > friend who can share the worrying duties.   Find a positive activity > which > > > will let you help  your grandson, but let you avoid dwelling on his > > cancer. > > You’re so right.  That is the worst thing anyone can do.  You can only > take > > each thing as it comes along.  You deal with things as they arise.  It’s > the > > only way.  Because you can’t ever know what will happen tomorrow.  What > will > > happen if something does come along and you have used up all your strength > > on the maybes of the situation.  It’s self defeating.  Does no one any > good. > > > Do what you can to help your grandson, but realize that there is a limit > > to > > > your powers. > > I have no choice in that, for anyone, not just me. > >  The kicker is that the less you worry about your grandson (up > > > to a point), the more good you will be able to do for him. > > Exactly. > >  The here and the > > > now matter.  Is he happy? Does he feel loved? > > Yes very much so.  He’s spoiled even.  You have to learn to take what you > > can where you can.  As can he learn.  He needs to have some control over > > what he can and that helps him.  Taking his meds was hell.  Now, he grinds > > them up, mixes it and puts it into the syringe.  Then he takes the meds, > by > > himself.  That’s very important to him.   Sometimes it’s funny.  He’ll > take > > control wherever he can.  When we went down in January, they did a lumbar > > puncture and then were waiting for him to pee before they started they > > chemo.  Well, he just would not.  No way lady, uh uh.  Just try and make > me > > go.  :) > > If yes, you are doing your > > > job.  The future will come, good, bad, or ugly, but a 4 year old lives > for > > > the moment.  Sometimes we have to realize that these moments are all we > > > really have. > > Yes, and you as long as you look at that which is positive you’re going to > > be okay, I really believe that.  He won’t remember a lot of it.  He’s > four, > > and he doesn’t care at all that he’s lost most of his hair.  Had he been > > older, it wouldn’t have been so easy. > > > I’ll be hoping for the best for you and your grandson.  Cancer isn’t an > > easy > > > foe, and it doesn’t play fair.   I wish him, and you the best. > > Thanks. > > D > > > Michael > > > "Damson Rhee" <dr…@netscape.com> wrote in message > > > news:AsuWb.6269$lK.475173@news20.bellglobal.com… > > > > That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea. Since > I > > > had > > > > surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to > use > > my > > > > CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also > have > > > > restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep. I’ve > > > even > > > > been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my > > four > > > > year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. > > > > However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed > to > > > call > > > > us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo > was > > a > > > > success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and > > no > > > > call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t > sleep > > > > well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, > nor > > > did > > > > reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half. > Long > > > > enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on > the > > > rug > > > > by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during > the > > > > night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned > up > > > > after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. > > > > The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me > sleep > > > > deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any > better > > > > ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few > days > > > at > > > > least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see > > him > > > > for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m > the > > > one > > > > getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me > if > > I > > > > want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want > to > > > kill > > > > myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. > > > > /rant mode off. > > > > But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

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"John Smith" <u…@example.net> wrote in message

news:402AC3A8.5030808@example.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Damson Rhee wrote: > > At times like this, it is useful to know the serenity prayer. > God grant me the serenity > to accept the things I cannot change; > courage to change the things I can; > and wisdom to know the difference. > Living one day at a time; > Enjoying one moment at a time; > Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; > Taking, as He did, this sinful world > as it is, not as I would have it; > Trusting that He will make all things right > if I surrender to His Will; > That I may be reasonably happy in this life > and supremely happy with Him > Forever in the next. > Amen.

Oh I totally agree.  You sort what you can do from what you can’t, sort what there isn’t a thing you can do with an issue from those you can, then do what you can.  Maybe I don’t take it one day at a time.  But, I won’t let myself go down a road that’s not healthy or in the future. D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"wesierobb" <wesier…@nospam.aol.com> wrote in message

news:792abd5d5c24b1db86a4dd120b6199be@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… > Hang tough Damson. I totally understand what you are going through, and it

hurts..and it is hard….and you WILL get through it.  Why?  Because you HAVE TO. I know.  I am getting through it too.  And, you’re right, you have to.  One has no choice. > The reason I say I thin I know where you are coming from is that I lost my

grandson this past June from an untreatable genetic disease.  He was 2 1/2. I could not sleep…at all…and I was there for months….  Finally, the docs did give me some sleeping stuff in addition to the Prozac that I was already on.  I know, I know..they really frown on slleping pills when you have sleep apnea..BUT, it made the biggest difference for me. So far, I’m not taking anything.  I take the stuff for my legs and my estrogen and that’s it for me, medication wise.  I haven’t needed anything. I find I’m very forgetful and stuff, but so far, I’m getting there.  I told them that this would not be a long term thing..and it wasn’t……and that I HAD to be able to be the rock for my daughter as she dealt with her dying only child.  They listened, they helped me, and I was able to help her.  I hope you can find a sympathetic doctor.  It made a world of difference for the time that I needed it. We are lucky, so far.  Matthew’s cancer is Burkitt’s lymphoma.  Usually that’s caught late and it spreads fast.  They have assured us it has NOT spread and the prognosis is good.  They say he should live a normal life.  I can’t let myself even go to anyplace that says otherwise.  If I have to, I will, but not until the doctors say that’s so.  As long as they tell me he should live a normal life, that’s what I will focus on. > I know what you mean about wondering whether to go to the hospital with

them for all the tests and treatments.  I too was torn..wanted to "be there", but didn’t want to get in the way between husband and wife…feel like a third wheel, etc. I dealt with that issue head on.  I have not talked to their doctor’s and nurses much.  When I have, I do so with the consent of them and with their knowledge.  I did speak to the doctor at length after the diagnosis.  I had to because I was the one getting all the information and getting it out to the rest of the family.  It’s not the ind of thing you want to misunderstand.  I even repeated everything I was going to say back to the doctor, to make sure I understood.  I have told them that I am there for them when they want me to be and that it’s their wishes that matter.  I don’t get upset in front of them and especially not in front of Matthew.  I was with them yesterday.  I stayed with Matthew in the playroom so that they could talk with the dotor at length.  It was fine doing that. Once I determined that it was easier on them for me to be there to help bear the load, then it was a no brainer for me. Yes, I thnk it’s what they need.  It is hard for me, in one sense, and I think that’s part of the sleep problem right now.  I have been getting very frustrated with some things to do with the hospital.  I would say something, but they don’t want to.  Which is fine, and no one’s choice but theirs. But, it’s a toughie, keeping the yap shut.  My other son said I was doing a lot of yelling in my sleep last week.  I bet I know who at.  :) >  I pray you find the best solution to this situation, and that good things

happen.  I pray for your grandson. Thanks D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Herman Family" <celc…@frontiernets.net/without_any_s/> wrote in message

news:46yWb.15582$7P2.13988@news01.roc.ny… > I realize that you are having trouble getting sleep, and that you have a lot > going on.  After looking at your story I’ve decided that if I were in your > shoes, without sleep apnea, I would be lucky to get even a few minutes of > good sleep per night.  I’m sorry to hear about your grandson’s cancer.  It > is very difficult when your child (or grandchild) is ill and you can’t do > anything about it.

True.  That’s why I was so proud of my ability to "shut off" and still sleep.  Maybe it’s just an accumulation of it all.  Maybe it is just this last thing.  :) > Personally, I think you are right about your problems.  You do need to know > what is going on in order to achieve any mental or emotional peace.  Drugs > aren’t going to do this, dealing with the problems will.  It sounds like you > are adept at dealing with issues, even tough ones.   Herein lies the > problem.  You are now dealing with more than one soul is supposed to handle > at a time.  While you are usually the "rock", consider leaving that task to > someone else this time.

I know.  They are going to go to Toronto for a biopsy tomorrow.  They have asked if I want to go.  I’m trying to decide what would be best.  At least if I went, I’d know right away, when they do, what the results are. Talk to your family about the issues, find a good > friend who can share the worrying duties.   Find a positive activity which > will let you help  your grandson, but let you avoid dwelling on his

cancer. You’re so right.  That is the worst thing anyone can do.  You can only take each thing as it comes along.  You deal with things as they arise.  It’s the only way.  Because you can’t ever know what will happen tomorrow.  What will happen if something does come along and you have used up all your strength on the maybes of the situation.  It’s self defeating.  Does no one any good. > Do what you can to help your grandson, but realize that there is a limit to > your powers.

I have no choice in that, for anyone, not just me.  The kicker is that the less you worry about your grandson (up > to a point), the more good you will be able to do for him.

Exactly.  The here and the > now matter.  Is he happy? Does he feel loved?

Yes very much so.  He’s spoiled even.  You have to learn to take what you can where you can.  As can he learn.  He needs to have some control over what he can and that helps him.  Taking his meds was hell.  Now, he grinds them up, mixes it and puts it into the syringe.  Then he takes the meds, by himself.  That’s very important to him.   Sometimes it’s funny.  He’ll take control wherever he can.  When we went down in January, they did a lumbar puncture and then were waiting for him to pee before they started they chemo.  Well, he just would not.  No way lady, uh uh.  Just try and make me go.  :) If yes, you are doing your > job.  The future will come, good, bad, or ugly, but a 4 year old lives for > the moment.  Sometimes we have to realize that these moments are all we > really have.

Yes, and you as long as you look at that which is positive you’re going to be okay, I really believe that.  He won’t remember a lot of it.  He’s four, and he doesn’t care at all that he’s lost most of his hair.  Had he been older, it wouldn’t have been so easy. > I’ll be hoping for the best for you and your grandson.  Cancer isn’t an easy > foe, and it doesn’t play fair.   I wish him, and you the best.

Thanks. D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Michael > "Damson Rhee" <dr…@netscape.com> wrote in message > news:AsuWb.6269$lK.475173@news20.bellglobal.com… > > That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea.  Since I > had > > surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to use my > > CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also have > > restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep.  I’ve > even > > been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my four > > year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. > > However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed to > call > > us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo was a > > success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and no > > call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t sleep > > well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, nor > did > > reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half.  Long > > enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on the > rug > > by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during the > > night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned up > > after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. > > The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me sleep > > deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any better > > ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few days > at > > least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see him > > for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m the > one > > getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me if I > > want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want to > kill > > myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. > > /rant mode off. > > But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

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Damson,     Take care of yourself and grandson.  Our prayers are with you.  That trip to Toronto would be a good idea. Michael "Damson Rhee" <dr…@netscape.com> wrote in message

news:hnyWb.6663$lK.499860@news20.bellglobal.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Herman Family" <celc…@frontiernets.net/without_any_s/> wrote in message > news:46yWb.15582$7P2.13988@news01.roc.ny… > > I realize that you are having trouble getting sleep, and that you have a > lot > > going on.  After looking at your story I’ve decided that if I were in your > > shoes, without sleep apnea, I would be lucky to get even a few minutes of > > good sleep per night.  I’m sorry to hear about your grandson’s cancer. It > > is very difficult when your child (or grandchild) is ill and you can’t do > > anything about it. > True.  That’s why I was so proud of my ability to "shut off" and still > sleep.  Maybe it’s just an accumulation of it all.  Maybe it is just this > last thing.  :) > > Personally, I think you are right about your problems.  You do need to > know > > what is going on in order to achieve any mental or emotional peace. Drugs > > aren’t going to do this, dealing with the problems will.  It sounds like > you > > are adept at dealing with issues, even tough ones.   Herein lies the > > problem.  You are now dealing with more than one soul is supposed to > handle > > at a time.  While you are usually the "rock", consider leaving that task > to > > someone else this time. > I know.  They are going to go to Toronto for a biopsy tomorrow.  They have > asked if I want to go.  I’m trying to decide what would be best.  At least > if I went, I’d know right away, when they do, what the results are. > Talk to your family about the issues, find a good > > friend who can share the worrying duties.   Find a positive activity which > > will let you help  your grandson, but let you avoid dwelling on his > cancer. > You’re so right.  That is the worst thing anyone can do.  You can only take > each thing as it comes along.  You deal with things as they arise.  It’s the > only way.  Because you can’t ever know what will happen tomorrow.  What will > happen if something does come along and you have used up all your strength > on the maybes of the situation.  It’s self defeating.  Does no one any good. > > Do what you can to help your grandson, but realize that there is a limit > to > > your powers. > I have no choice in that, for anyone, not just me. >  The kicker is that the less you worry about your grandson (up > > to a point), the more good you will be able to do for him. > Exactly. >  The here and the > > now matter.  Is he happy? Does he feel loved? > Yes very much so.  He’s spoiled even.  You have to learn to take what you > can where you can.  As can he learn.  He needs to have some control over > what he can and that helps him.  Taking his meds was hell.  Now, he grinds > them up, mixes it and puts it into the syringe.  Then he takes the meds, by > himself.  That’s very important to him.   Sometimes it’s funny.  He’ll take > control wherever he can.  When we went down in January, they did a lumbar > puncture and then were waiting for him to pee before they started they > chemo.  Well, he just would not.  No way lady, uh uh.  Just try and make me > go.  :) > If yes, you are doing your > > job.  The future will come, good, bad, or ugly, but a 4 year old lives for > > the moment.  Sometimes we have to realize that these moments are all we > > really have. > Yes, and you as long as you look at that which is positive you’re going to > be okay, I really believe that.  He won’t remember a lot of it.  He’s four, > and he doesn’t care at all that he’s lost most of his hair.  Had he been > older, it wouldn’t have been so easy. > > I’ll be hoping for the best for you and your grandson.  Cancer isn’t an > easy > > foe, and it doesn’t play fair.   I wish him, and you the best. > Thanks. > D > > Michael > > "Damson Rhee" <dr…@netscape.com> wrote in message > > news:AsuWb.6269$lK.475173@news20.bellglobal.com… > > > That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea.  Since I > > had > > > surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to use > my > > > CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also have > > > restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep.  I’ve > > even > > > been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my > four > > > year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. > > > However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed to > > call > > > us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo was > a > > > success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and > no > > > call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t sleep > > > well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, nor > > did > > > reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half. Long > > > enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on the > > rug > > > by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during the > > > night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned up > > > after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. > > > The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me sleep > > > deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any better > > > ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few days > > at > > > least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see > him > > > for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m the > > one > > > getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me if > I > > > want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want to > > kill > > > myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. > > > /rant mode off. > > > But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

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Hang tough Damson. I totally understand what you are going through, and it hurts..and it is hard….and you WILL get through it.  Why?  Because you HAVE TO. The reason I say I thin I know where you are coming from is that I lost my grandson this past June from an untreatable genetic disease.  He was 2 1/2.  I could not sleep…at all…and I was there for months….  Finally, the docs did give me some sleeping stuff in addition to the Prozac that I was already on.  I know, I know..they really frown on slleping pills when you have sleep apnea..BUT, it made the biggest difference for me.  I told them that this would not be a long term thing..and it wasn’t……and that I HAD to be able to be the rock for my daughter as she dealt with her dying only child.  They listened, they helped me, and I was able to help her.  I hope you can find a sympathetic doctor.  It made a world of difference for the time that I needed it. I know what you mean about wondering whether to go to the hospital with them for all the tests and treatments.  I too was torn..wanted to "be there", but didn’t want to get in the way between husband and wife…feel like a third wheel, etc.  Once I determined that it was easier on them for me to be there to help bear the load, then it was a no brainer for me.  I pray you find the best solution to this situation, and that good things happen.  I pray for your grandson.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Damson Rhee wrote: > That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea.  Since I had > surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to use my > CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also have > restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep.  I’ve even > been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my four > year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. > However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed to call > us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo was a > success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and no > call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t sleep > well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, nor did > reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half.  Long > enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on the rug > by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during the > night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned up > after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. > The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me sleep > deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any better > ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few days at > least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see him > for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m the one > getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me if I > want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want to kill > myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. > /rant mode off. > But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

At times like this, it is useful to know the serenity prayer. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time; Enjoying one moment at a time; Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it; Trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will; That I may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him Forever in the next. Amen.

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I realize that you are having trouble getting sleep, and that you have a lot going on.  After looking at your story I’ve decided that if I were in your shoes, without sleep apnea, I would be lucky to get even a few minutes of good sleep per night.  I’m sorry to hear about your grandson’s cancer.  It is very difficult when your child (or grandchild) is ill and you can’t do anything about it. Personally, I think you are right about your problems.  You do need to know what is going on in order to achieve any mental or emotional peace.  Drugs aren’t going to do this, dealing with the problems will.  It sounds like you are adept at dealing with issues, even tough ones.   Herein lies the problem.  You are now dealing with more than one soul is supposed to handle at a time.  While you are usually the "rock", consider leaving that task to someone else this time.  Talk to your family about the issues, find a good friend who can share the worrying duties.   Find a positive activity which will let you help  your grandson, but let you avoid dwelling on his cancer. Do what you can to help your grandson, but realize that there is a limit to your powers.   The kicker is that the less you worry about your grandson (up to a point), the more good you will be able to do for him.  The here and the now matter.  Is he happy? Does he feel loved?  If yes, you are doing your job.  The future will come, good, bad, or ugly, but a 4 year old lives for the moment.  Sometimes we have to realize that these moments are all we really have. I’ll be hoping for the best for you and your grandson.  Cancer isn’t an easy foe, and it doesn’t play fair.   I wish him, and you the best. Michael "Damson Rhee" <dr…@netscape.com> wrote in message

news:AsuWb.6269$lK.475173@news20.bellglobal.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea.  Since I had > surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to use my > CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also have > restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep.  I’ve even > been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my four > year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. > However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed to call > us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo was a > success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and no > call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t sleep > well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, nor did > reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half.  Long > enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on the rug > by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during the > night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned up > after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. > The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me sleep > deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any better > ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few days at > least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see him > for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m the one > getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me if I > want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want to kill > myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. > /rant mode off. > But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

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"paula" <nom…@spam.net> wrote in message

news:402A8343.EE40840C@spam.net… > Hi > I am so sorry about your grandson. What a difficult time for you. Is there any > way that instead of waiting for the hospital to call you or someone else can > call them and get the results?

We just got them a while ago.  As I expected, the news wasn’t good.  The cancer is not gone and he has to go back for more tests and treatment. > Sorry I am not much into what medication can be given with what. Just a bit > surprised that you take something for the restless legs and it seems to me > already while on CPAP. Mine just disappeared using CPAP. The other night when my > CPAP gave out I was kicking etc. again like a mad man. Bed was a disaster again > also. On CPAP I am a very quiet sleeper.

Nope, I had surgery for a hiatal hernia.  After I had it done, my sleep apnea wasn’t minimal.  I went for another assessment.  He said I didn’t need to use the CPAP.  Until now, the Gabapentin had been working.  It’s an anti-convulsant that they found out helps with this, though isn’t all that effective with convulsion.  Go figure. > Ignore the doctor. This seems to be situational and although nasty while in in, > it might not take long.

Oh, it’s situational, no question.  That’s the easiest part of it, knowing that. See what happens once you get the results. Please don’t > aggravate it by being worried about not sleeping as then you might just get into > a viscious circle but due to different things.

I hope not.  I shouldn’t.  I spent two weeks sleeping in the surgical waiting room at Sick Kids and slept.  On couches, no less. Try some relaxation tapes or so > and feel confident once the wait is over you will sleep again.

Me too.  I do have some tapes and will try them again tonight, along with the lavender bath.  :) > Wishing you all the best and hoping the best for your grandson.

As do I. and thanks so much. D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Damson Rhee wrote: > > That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea.  Since I had > > surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to use my > > CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also have > > restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep.  I’ve even > > been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my four > > year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. > > However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed to call > > us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo was a > > success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and no > > call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t sleep > > well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, nor did > > reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half.  Long > > enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on the rug > > by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during the > > night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned up > > after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. > > The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me sleep > > deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any better > > ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few days at > > least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see him > > for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m the one > > getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me if I > > want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want to kill > > myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. > > /rant mode off. > > But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Damson Rhee wrote: > That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea.  Since I had > surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to use my > CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also have > restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep.  I’ve even > been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my four > year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. > However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed to call > us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo was a > success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and no > call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t sleep > well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, nor did > reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half.  Long > enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on the rug > by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during the > night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned up > after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. > The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me sleep > deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any better > ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few days at > least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see him > for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m the one > getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me if I > want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want to kill > myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. > /rant mode off. > But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

Sounds like anxiety and depression to me.  My psychiatrist would never give ME sleeping pills, if I was having a problem sleeping.  He would provide, or adjust, my psychiatric meds.  YMMV

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That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea.  Since I had surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to use my CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also have restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep.  I’ve even been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my four year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed to call us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo was a success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and no call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t sleep well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, nor did reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half.  Long enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on the rug by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during the night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned up after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me sleep deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any better ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few days at least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see him for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m the one getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me if I want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want to kill myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. /rant mode off. But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

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Hi I am so sorry about your grandson. What a difficult time for you. Is there any way that instead of waiting for the hospital to call you or someone else can call them and get the results? Sorry I am not much into what medication can be given with what. Just a bit surprised that you take something for the restless legs and it seems to me already while on CPAP. Mine just disappeared using CPAP. The other night when my CPAP gave out I was kicking etc. again like a mad man. Bed was a disaster again also. On CPAP I am a very quiet sleeper. Ignore the doctor. This seems to be situational and although nasty while in in, it might not take long. See what happens once you get the results. Please don’t aggravate it by being worried about not sleeping as then you might just get into a viscious circle but due to different things. Try some relaxation tapes or so and feel confident once the wait is over you will sleep again. Wishing you all the best and hoping the best for your grandson. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Damson Rhee wrote: > That was not a typo.  :)  Here’s the deal.  I have sleep apnea.  Since I had > surgery a year ago, it’s no longer bad enough for me to continue to use my > CPAP.  I’m thinking of selling it even and it’s almost new.  I also have > restless leg and take Gabapentin.  With that medication I sleep.  I’ve even > been sleeping over the last 2 an a half months, while dealing with my four > year old grandson’s cancer.  That’s an accomplishment. > However, Monday, the insensitive clods at the hospital were supposed to call > us and give us the results of the test to tell us whether the chemo was a > success and that the cancer has not spread.  Here we are Wednesday and no > call as yet.  Are you going to be surprised if I tell you I didn’t sleep > well last night?  I got to sleep about 5:30.  Two baths didn’t help, nor did > reading or TV.  I did sleep though, for about an hour and a half.  Long > enough  for me to wake up this morning and find a piece of bacon on the rug > by my bed.  Long enough for my husband to say someone got up during the > night and was cooking.  Guess who?  Apparently I was tidy and cleaned up > after myself, but sloppy enough to drop some bacon. > The nurse at the sleep clinic suggested Gravol tonight, to help me sleep > deeply.  Gravol does nothing, even for nausea.  Anybody have any better > ideas? She could try fitting me in at the Clinic, but not for a few days at > least.  I have a family doctor but he’s a dork.  Two weeks ago, I see him > for the first time in 6 months, dump on him about this, because I’m the one > getting it all dumped on me, I’m "the rock", and this doctor asks me if I > want to hurt myself.  Yeah, right.  My grandson has cancer so I want to kill > myself.  Makes sense doesn’t it?  Not!  What a dope. > /rant mode off. > But, suggestions would be appreciated, just be nice okay.  :)

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some help on sleep please

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at times when im asleep i sit up and still sleeping without waking up what causes this or what is it called so i can researrch it?

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On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 02:53:48 -0500 (EST), Night Blaze wrote: >at times when im asleep i sit up and still sleeping without waking up >what causes this or what is it called so i can researrch it?

The term you want is "sonambulism." It’s stereotypically sleep walking, but sitting up while sleeping also qualifies. It’s basically a harmless brain glitch (unless you do dangerous things). If it’s troublesome, doctors can try various meds to see what happens (sometimes tranquilizers work, sometimes antidepressants work).

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OT:Question of the day 7/14/03

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7/14/03 How many hours do you sleep per night?

7 or 7 1/2 hours  Do you take naps during the day?

Usually. How long are they?

About 1 or 1.5 hours. Are you a dreamer?

Lots Chip — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How long are they? Are you a dreamer?

I try to keep it at 7 to 8 hours.  I sometimes take naps, but that can be detrimental!  Sometimes a 20 minute nap has turned into a 5 hour nap where I just couldn’t get up and go.  Sometimes I recall no dreams, other times they are very vivid.  Quite often I wake with the "feeling" of a dream, but can’t remember what it was about.  I just have the strange feeling that was part of the dream.  Last night, or early this morning was a very practical dream.  It was about the grease I need to put in my lawn mower transmission!  (I’ll bet that really excites the ladies!) Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night?

**I having been having off and on insonia for several months so if I sleep 6 hours I am truly grateful. Do you take naps during the day? **I count on them…lol! How long are they? An hour to 2 – 21/2 (maybe some depression in there???) Are you a dreamer? At times… Jackie ~*~If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:Last night, or early this :morning was a very practical dream.  It was about the grease I need to :put in my lawn mower transmission!  (I’ll bet that really excites the :ladies!) LOL! I am drooling as I type Why can`t my husband have dreams about putting the "almost 5 year old" ice maker into my freezer??? Jackie ~*~If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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: :How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How :long are they? Are you a dreamer? I sleep about 6 hours a night. I sometimes take naps that can last anywhere from a few minutes to an hour or two. Yes, I am a dreamer Jackie ~*~If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How long are they? Are you a dreamer?

I sleep 6 hours a night (by choice). Due to Xanax induced fatigue I have to take a nap in the late afternoon or early evening. I dream a lot, in technicolor. Long ago, back in 1970-71 I kept a dream diary for more than a year and because I was focused on it I remembered many dreams (three or four a night was no exception). I also managed to decide about whom I would dream although I couldn’t quite manage their behavior in the dream. Sometimes I was able to sort of dream consciously, know that I was dreaming and control some of it (I believe this is now known as *lucid dreaming*). But then my then girlfriend moved in with me and I stopped the experiments. Philip Jackie ~*~If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything~*~

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:Last night, or early this :morning was a very practical dream.  It was about the grease I need to :put in my lawn mower transmission!  (I’ll bet that really excites the :ladies!) LOL! I am drooling as I type Why can`t my husband have dreams about putting the "almost 5 year old" ice maker into my freezer???

I’m giving him an excuse.  It’s too late.  Refrigerators don’t last as long as they used to.  Put that in and it will surely kick the bucket the next week!  Anyway, the newer ones take a lot less electric. Unfortunatly, the refrigerator has definitely fallen down the ranks and become a throw away item unless it needs the simlest of repairs. Tono — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How long are they? Are you a dreamer? Jackie ~*~If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything~*~

I am physically rested with 8 hours.  I am mentally rested with six hours.  I usually get 6 to 7 on weekdays. I usually sleep in one day of the weekend and get about 10 or so.  That seems to catch me up.  My knees feel so much better after the long sleep. Only get naps if I happen to fall asleep watching TV.  I don’t watch TV much when Deb is not here. gt — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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How many hours do you sleep per night?

I get about 6.5 to 7 hours a night. Do you take naps during the day?

Rarely.  Only if I’m very sick with a cold/flu. How long are they?

Depends how sick I am.  1.5 hours at the most. Are you a dreamer?

The past several nights I’ve had very intense dreams just before waking.  I can’t remember them right now but they were very life-like.  I feel very well rested on mornings after a fun night of dreaming :  ) Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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2003 19:25:02 GMT, LOL! I am drooling as I type Why can`t my husband have dreams about putting the "almost 5 year old" ice maker into my freezer??? It’s not hard to do.  Do you have a water pipe behind the fridge?  If not, that’s probably the thing holding him back. -Graham

If you have a basement and there is a water pipe below the fridge, it isn’t too difficult.  For this one thing, copper pipes are easier.  You can use a saddle valve.  I am not to keen on saddle valves on plastic. If not, it can be a pain in the a$$ and take a bit of time (running pipe).  That can be a bit daunting if you haven’t done it before.   Running a 1/4" soft copper line for 40 or 50 feet in a crawl space (or a basement for that matter) is not a good idea. gt — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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:It took years to convince me that I did indeed sleepwalk but the :evidence is overwhelming (video tapes and witnesses).  Don’t mention :the snoring.  I still don’t believe I do that <VBG Many years ago a good friend of mine and her husband were awoken during the middle of the night by knocking on their back door. They couldn`t imagine who it was and were quite nervous about answering the door. It turned out to be their 8 or 9 year old son. Seems he was sleep walking and climbed out his window…..LOL Jackie ~*~Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How long are they? Are you a dreamer?

I’m a night owl but need to get up early for work so I only get about 5 – 6 hours sleep per night. I would love a nap during the day but don’t think my boss would like that. And yep a real dreamer Vanessa — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How long are they? Are you a dreamer?

I sleep probably… 4 hours.  I take two naps per day.  Each about 2 hours.  So I get a total of 8 hours of sleep a day.  It seems very little now that I think about it.  I need to get a regular sleeping schedule going.  I don’t dream often, but when I do it is always one of those extremely vivid dreams.  You know the ones that seem extremely real, they have a current time and feel about them.  I am not even sure I was asleep, after.  Crazy Huh? — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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About 7 hours…seems to work well for me.  i don’t nap in the day. 7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How long are they? Are you a dreamer? Jackie ~*~If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything~*~

– The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night?

Not enough. Varies from little to few. Do you take naps during the day? Sometimes. How long are they?

10 minutes to an hour. Are you a dreamer? Yes, definitely. love Meryl — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How long are they? Are you a dreamer? Jackie ~*~If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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How many hours do you sleep per night?

I’m not sure anymore! I am in bed for 7-7.5 hours, but I’m awake, asleep, dozing, restless, up to pee, asleep, etc. for the entire night.   8-/ Do you take naps during the day?

Almost never. I have a hard time waking up again after a nap; I feel groggy and grouchy. Although… when I was on Paxil I used to take "naps" right here in my office! — I’d fall asleep at my computer, complete with snoring.  Eeek! Are you a dreamer?

Yes… lots of dreams lately, or at least I’m aware of them because I’m waking up so frequently during the night. xxoo Anne — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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7/14/03: How many hours do you sleep per night? Do you take naps during the day? How long are they? Are you a dreamer? Jackie ~*~If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything~*~

I sleep a good 8 hours a night.   I only dream after I go back to sleep after waking up in the a.m.   Then my dreams are vivid and long.   I don’t like these dreams, they are too real.   My problem is that Joe gets up very early, like 4:30, and he always kisses me goodbye before going to work. Either one wakes me up enough that I start dreaming after going back to sleep. When I wake up on my own and don’t go back to sleep, I don’t have these early morning dreams.   But I still think the meds have something to do with them. xxoo Rita — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Report from the doc's office: It's my scale??

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Barb,  Read this article http://allsands.com/Health/waterweightg_zzu_gn.htm — j "The most overlooked advantage to owning a computer is that if they foul up there’s no law against whacking them around a little." Joe Martin, Porterfield – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s just plain water.  I also drink 1-1.5 qts Crystal Light. Barb scribbled: I don’t take any meds for HRT, so that’s out. 1. Drink plenty of water.   I do. <<Around 50 oz of unadulterated water a day. This might not be enough water. Try adding another couple of glasses. You should have 6 to 8 glasses of water each day. That’s 48 to 64 oz of water per day. — ~~LJ~~

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Thanks for this information.  I checked the store and they did have it (I was looking for "Dandelion" Tea.)  I’m pleasantly surprised to find it didn’t taste yucky.  :-) Barbara — Begin date 5/27/2003 168/168/145

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone here mentioned Dandelion tea might help a little.  I stopped at my local health food store and could only find a tea made from dandelion root. Hi Barb. I’m the one who mentioned dandelion tea. That dandelion root tea you found might the answer. My mother drinks a brand of tea called Yogi Tea, which makes two teas containing dandelion… Detox: http://www.yogitea.com/HealingFormulas/HealingFormulaTeas.asp?ea_ID=HF05 and Peach Detox: http://www.yogitea.com/HealingFormulas/HealingFormulaTeas.asp?ea_ID=HF16 The two contain slightly different ingredients but both contain dandelion root (the box says "organic dandelion"). My mother says she can’t taste much if any difference between the two. Both, she says, are quite pleasant tasting. There’s a place on the web site to locate a store in your area where you can buy Yogi Tea. Here in Minneapolis, I can find the tea at upscale grocery stores and organic food stores/coops. In Atlanta, the DeKalb County farmers market carries it. If you don’t already do this, you might find it helpful to read the nutrition labels for the sodium content, in addition to avoiding extra salt. It’s amazing how much sodium food manufacturers will add. My mother recently had her Lotrel reduced from 20/10 to 20/5. Those numbers are meaningless to me, but in the few days since her medication was lowered, she’s noticed a significant improvement in her water retention. She’s now thinking she might not need to buy non-elastic socks after all. Sorry for the long post. Good luck finding what works for you. — Prairie Roots 232/203.6/IFFC 202/(?)157 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003 Here’s our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

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I’m glad it didn’t taste yucky. Now to find out how it works for you. I’m curious. — Prairie Roots 232/203.6/IFFC 202/(?)157 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003 Here’s our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for this information.  I checked the store and they did have it (I was looking for "Dandelion" Tea.)  I’m pleasantly surprised to find it didn’t taste yucky.  :-) Barbara

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It worked very well.  I drink one cup in the morning, one in the afternoon. It’s quite gentle, not like the hydrocholorothyazide I used to take.  With that one, I’d better not stray too far from the bathroom!  LOL!!! Barbara 168/163.5/145

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m glad it didn’t taste yucky. Now to find out how it works for you. I’m curious. — Prairie Roots 232/203.6/IFFC 202/(?)157 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003

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Sorry for your water troubles, Barbara.. that’s gotta be frustrating.. hope all goes well again in 2 months!  Keep us updated! — ~Kristin O 272/233.8/172 on WW since 1/7/02

Had doc’s appointment today and found that my thyroid med has to be further lowered, the reading is still too high. About retaining water he had no clue as to what was causing it. Said he could see my fingers were swollen and asked if by evening I could get my rings off, and I said yes. He said the body has a tendency to redistribute water upward during the night and to try and notice if my ankles were swollen at evening.  My blood pressure is normal, so there’s no need to change the BP med.  When I bought up the fact that in one instance I weighed in the evening and found my weight was at 163.5 and the next morning it was 167, he said it was the scale. OK.  I have a balance beam scale.  I make sure before I get on that it balances at 0.  How can it be my scale?   I weighed myself on my scale today when I got home from the doctor’s office and it read the same as his. They did take some more blood and are doing a profile for sodium/potassium/kidney function. I have to go back in 2 months.  <sigh Barbara

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Someone here mentioned Dandelion tea might help a little.  I stopped at my local health food store and could only find a tea made from dandelion root.

Hi Barb. I’m the one who mentioned dandelion tea. That dandelion root tea you found might the answer. My mother drinks a brand of tea called Yogi Tea, which makes two teas containing dandelion… Detox: http://www.yogitea.com/HealingFormulas/HealingFormulaTeas.asp?ea_ID=HF05 and Peach Detox: http://www.yogitea.com/HealingFormulas/HealingFormulaTeas.asp?ea_ID=HF16 The two contain slightly different ingredients but both contain dandelion root (the box says "organic dandelion"). My mother says she can’t taste much if any difference between the two. Both, she says, are quite pleasant tasting. There’s a place on the web site to locate a store in your area where you can buy Yogi Tea. Here in Minneapolis, I can find the tea at upscale grocery stores and organic food stores/coops. In Atlanta, the DeKalb County farmers market carries it. If you don’t already do this, you might find it helpful to read the nutrition labels for the sodium content, in addition to avoiding extra salt. It’s amazing how much sodium food manufacturers will add. My mother recently had her Lotrel reduced from 20/10 to 20/5. Those numbers are meaningless to me, but in the few days since her medication was lowered, she’s noticed a significant improvement in her water retention. She’s now thinking she might not need to buy non-elastic socks after all. Sorry for the long post. Good luck finding what works for you. — Prairie Roots 232/203.6/IFFC 202/(?)157 joined WW Online 22-Feb-2003 Here’s our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

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Good point, LJ. Actually, 48 to 64 oz may not be enough. There’s plenty of research to indicate that a non-active person should drink 1/2 oz. of water per pound of body weight (your weight