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What are some good resources for battling depression during the holiday season?
What do you mean? There are dozens and dozens of them. Which symptoms do you specifically want to tackle?
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What are some good resources for battling depression during the holiday season?
Sex, drugs, and rock &roll? Steppenwolf, wondering too.
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What are some good resources for battling depression during the holiday season?
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I’ve always fantasized about having that background music orchestrating my life. Maybe a way to overcome depression could be found by developing that mental orchestration (or even carrying around a personal stereo) programmed with uplifting, "happy" music.
IIRC, that’s (basically) what "Cognitive Therapy" is all about… –Mike Andersson
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I’ve always fantasized about having that background music orchestrating my life. Maybe a way to overcome depression could be found by developing that mental orchestration (or even carrying around a personal stereo) programmed with uplifting, "happy" music. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think of it as background music, myself. Like how movies use background music to tell you how you’re supposed to be felling about what’s being shown onscreen. You can show the same scene to two different audiences with two different soundtracks, and the audiences will feel different ways about it. That’s depression — no matter what’s going on, the depressed person has the sad soundtrack playing. That’s an excellent metaphor. As one of Heinlein’s wise characters says, man is not a rational animal, man is a rationalizing animal. People will often figure out some rationalization for whatever they’re feeling; talk therapy can sometimes get lost in a maze of those rationalizations. ObSF: "Reasons to be Cheerful" by Greg Egan. (Not to deny that bad cognitive habits come into play, too.) — Katie Schwarz "There’s no need to look for a Chimera, or a cat with three legs." – Jorge Luis Borges, "Death and the Compass"
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Would any one like to talk about depression. I feel terrible today. My husband does not understand me. What a statement. I am taking the tablets, but alcohol takes the edge off it. Does it get better. Please tell me it does. How long does it take. June
Hi June and welcome to ASD. Everyone is different but most do get better. It’s all the way you handle it and the way treatment works for you. Alcohol is a depressant so I can’t see where that would help. It gets better. I take it you’re on meds, do you also see a therapist? Mary Beth posted and emailed Glam Name: Icy Sparklefreak
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I would’nt mind talking about depression/stress. I lost my mother in oct.99, I have more bills than i can handle, the house i was renting from, owners sold so we had to move, i didn’t have enough money so me and my 3 kids had to move in with my fiance’ and his father, which his two sisters live upstairs, My children misbehave when i go to work, my fiance’ is disabled (due to alot of health problems) I can’t afford a babysitter so he watches them, and with him being sick it makes things alot harder on him, I feel like shit cause I’m fiancally stuck and can’t help him. And I this man to death and I’m gonna stay by his side, he’s going to need me the sicker he gets, There’s something wrong with my back, it hurts all the time, sometimes I can’t play with my children, My father disowned me, why "I really don’t know, he never told me".It breaks my heart to see my fiance’ in so much pain he can’ t barely walk. I feel like my world is caving in on me so fast, and my brain can only take so much.
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Alcohol is just a depressant. If you are depressed, and if you are on meds, you shouldn’t be drinking alcohol. It defeats the purpose. My boyfriend doesn’t understand, either. There will be better times, I just can’t tell you when. But not drinking will definitely help.
This is mixing up two different senses of "depress". Alcohol is a CNS depressant, meaning that it dampens the functioning of the brain, slowing it down. Depression is a deterioration of mood, although some of its effects (especially in more severe cases) may mimick some aspects of drunkenness. Minor consumption of alcohol (say, one beer now and again) probably is harmless. Mind, you, this doesn’t mean that mixing alcohol and meds is a _good_ idea. Any regimen of medication is essentially a careful balancing act; while extremely light drinking is not going to throw it out of whack significantly, more heavy drinking is likely to. Drinking to self-medicate is a sign that something is not right with the meds; you should discuss the matter with your prescriber: "Doc, I’m having trouble with anxiety and the only thing that seems to help is alcohol …" Patrick
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June- Alcohol is just a depressant. If you are depressed, and if you are on meds, you shouldn’t be drinking alcohol. It defeats the purpose. My boyfriend doesn’t understand, either. There will be better times, I just can’t tell you when. But not drinking will definitely help. Do something just for you today… -bpk
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Would any one like to talk about depression. I feel terrible today. My husband does not understand me. What a statement. I am taking the tablets, but alcohol takes the edge off it. Does it get better. Please tell me it does. How long does it take. June
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Don’t worry, we all remember. Welcome to ASD. chelsea
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t say I’d ever heard his voice, But his young life will forever echo in me. I can’t say I’d ever shook his hand, But I’ll miss him by my side. I can’t say we were close, But a piece of me is gone. For those of you who remember, one month ago, Chris DuBose killed himself. I’m just his little cousin, but he’ll be throughly missed- despite the distance we had between us.
What a beautiful tribute you have written. — Molly "It’s tiring walking on eggshells……"
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A little explanation …. Camille, if this is Camille, is my brother’s daughter …. I have been kind of estranged from my brother for a long time, mainly because, well, he was not a very good brother when we were little. When all this happened, Chris had just started corresponding by email with his cousins …. I had just started talking to my brother on the phone after years of not speaking. So, his kids are pretty upset about what happened, and my brother came out and spent time with me and helped a lot with taking care of stuff when I was pretty useless…. His cousins all sound like neat kids to me, and I hope to meet them sometime. I wish very much Chris could have met them too. Any more than that, I won’t say — I’ll let Camille speak for herself if she wants to. Cynthia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wow. this is kind of creepy. except that i hope both of you find some help and healing here. Is this Camille??? Hi Camille, if so …. this is your aunt…. We’ve never met either except on the phone…. Thanks for the thoughts! I can’t say I’d ever heard his voice, But his young life will forever echo in me. I can’t say I’d ever shook his hand, But I’ll miss him by my side. I can’t say we were close, But a piece of me is gone. For those of you who remember, one month ago, Chris DuBose killed himself. I’m just his little cousin, but he’ll be throughly missed- despite the distance we had between us. Cynthia Du Bose Adult Children in Recovery http://www.mindspring.net/~cedubose/acoa
Cynthia Du Bose Adult Children in Recovery http://www.mindspring.net/~cedubose/acoa
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wow. this is kind of creepy. except that i hope both of you find some help and healing here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is this Camille??? Hi Camille, if so …. this is your aunt…. We’ve never met either except on the phone…. Thanks for the thoughts! I can’t say I’d ever heard his voice, But his young life will forever echo in me. I can’t say I’d ever shook his hand, But I’ll miss him by my side. I can’t say we were close, But a piece of me is gone. For those of you who remember, one month ago, Chris DuBose killed himself. I’m just his little cousin, but he’ll be throughly missed- despite the distance we had between us. Cynthia Du Bose Adult Children in Recovery http://www.mindspring.net/~cedubose/acoa
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For anyone who’s interesed — Yesterday (the 17th) my friend Hank and I found where the same railroad tracks go near my house. We went out and put a single rose and small white flowers (again) near the tracks, and I read Ted Dage’s beautiful poem, November Song. It was a tough day. But it was sad/beautiful too, and that’s part of life too, I guess…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t say I’d ever heard his voice, But his young life will forever echo in me. I can’t say I’d ever shook his hand, But I’ll miss him by my side. I can’t say we were close, But a piece of me is gone. For those of you who remember, one month ago, Chris DuBose killed himself. I’m just his little cousin, but he’ll be throughly missed- despite the distance we had between us.
Cynthia Du Bose Adult Children in Recovery http://www.mindspring.net/~cedubose/acoa
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Is this Camille??? Hi Camille, if so …. this is your aunt…. We’ve never met either except on the phone…. Thanks for the thoughts! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t say I’d ever heard his voice, But his young life will forever echo in me. I can’t say I’d ever shook his hand, But I’ll miss him by my side. I can’t say we were close, But a piece of me is gone. For those of you who remember, one month ago, Chris DuBose killed himself. I’m just his little cousin, but he’ll be throughly missed- despite the distance we had between us.
Cynthia Du Bose Adult Children in Recovery http://www.mindspring.net/~cedubose/acoa
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I can’t say I’d ever heard his voice, But his young life will forever echo in me. I can’t say I’d ever shook his hand, But I’ll miss him by my side. I can’t say we were close, But a piece of me is gone. For those of you who remember, one month ago, Chris DuBose killed himself. I’m just his little cousin, but he’ll be throughly missed- despite the distance we had between us.
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Alright, look: The Depression happened over seventy years ago
brother, can you spare a dime? joe
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Alright, look: The Depression happened over seventy years ago. I can’t believe you people are still crying about an event that happened long before your birth.
hehehe Erik Martin Schneider rhetorician of sorts http://www.concentric.net/~catdoc
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Alright, look: The Depression happened over seventy years ago. I can’t believe you people are still crying about an event that happened long before your birth.
<znip No, my current state of despondency is in anxiety over the coming four years of George W. Bush. The mere thought of it is enough to spark a Great Depression in anyone.
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I love king prawn balls but I wonder if any other part of the prawn is edible… Bri 
— Dum spiro, spero.
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I cannot speak for others here. But for me my depression started immediately after the Franco-Prussian war of 1870/71 when Otto Von Bismarch tried to create a unified German empire. Man…the rise in Germany’s military power and it’s imperialistic attitude was a real bummer.
Von Bismarck was a "toxic person," to say the least. Personally, I can trace my depression back to the 1848 popular revolts. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Alright, look: The Depression happened over seventy years ago. I can’t believe you people are still crying about an event that happened long before your birth. Granted; a tough time followed, but America was able to pull out of it by doing exactly what you people AREN’T doing; getting off your ass and righting the system. If the people of the 1930’s sat around lamenting the effects of the Great Depression, we’d still be living under those conditions. What’s even more ridiculous is the fact that none of you even lived through the dire aftermath of the stock market crash. At best, your parents or grandparents did and because of that experience they made sure your didn’t have to live with such miserable financial prospects. Historical events outside of your lifetime shouldn’t lead to medication. You don’t see me in therapy over the Franco-Prussian war! You don’t need to be slitting your wrist because some guy in 1931 plowed an entire field for a teaspoon of broth. No wonder people accuse you of being weak. Hard to believe you’re letting some documentaries you watched in elementary school become a lifelong disease. If that were the case, I’d have Cyclical Cotton Gin Syndrome. Live long, stay strong! You’re welcome.
Eric (Clever sig currently under construction)
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You’re lucky! I’ve never been the same since Ivan the Terrible was crowned Tsar in 1547. And I think Steinbeck’s "Grapes of Wrath" is one of the greatest novels ever written. And I’m going out to my local Chinese restaurant for lunch. So there. Bri — Dum spiro, spero.
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This is almost funny.
<original text snipped You obviously have a better sense of humour than me. I find this mildly funny. Ed — The Pewter Wizard
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This is almost funny. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Alright, look: The Depression happened over seventy years ago. I can’t believe you people are still crying about an event that happened long before your birth. Granted; a tough time followed, but America was able to pull out of it by doing exactly what you people AREN’T doing; getting off your ass and righting the system. If the people of the 1930’s sat around lamenting the effects of the Great Depression, we’d still be living under those conditions. What’s even more ridiculous is the fact that none of you even lived through the dire aftermath of the stock market crash. At best, your parents or grandparents did and because of that experience they made sure your didn’t have to live with such miserable financial prospects. Historical events outside of your lifetime shouldn’t lead to medication. You don’t see me in therapy over the Franco-Prussian war! You don’t need to be slitting your wrist because some guy in 1931 plowed an entire field for a teaspoon of broth. No wonder people accuse you of being weak. Hard to believe you’re letting some documentaries you watched in elementary school become a lifelong disease. If that were the case, I’d have Cyclical Cotton Gin Syndrome. Live long, stay strong! You’re welcome.
Eric (Clever sig currently under construction)
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No wonder people accuse you of being weak.
Now who would do something like that?? Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man *and* The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.
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HUH? What the hell does a mental disorder have to do with the Great Depression? You are joking right? HAHAHAHA…..right? Where do YOU trolls come from? "Never bear more than one kind of trouble at a time. Some bear three: All they’ve had, all they have now and all they expect to have". Edward Everett Hale
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Alright, look: The Depression happened over seventy years ago. I can’t believe you people are still crying about an event that happened long before your birth. Granted; a tough time followed, but America was able to pull out of it by doing exactly what you people AREN’T doing; getting off your ass and righting the system. If the people of the 1930’s sat around lamenting the effects of the Great Depression, we’d still be living under those conditions. What’s even more ridiculous is the fact that none of you even lived through the dire aftermath of the stock market crash. At best, your parents or grandparents did and because of that experience they made sure your didn’t have to live with such miserable financial prospects. Historical events outside of your lifetime shouldn’t lead to medication. You don’t see me in therapy over the Franco-Prussian war! You don’t need to be slitting your wrist because some guy in 1931 plowed an entire field for a teaspoon of broth. No wonder people accuse you of being weak. Hard to believe you’re letting some documentaries you watched in elementary school become a lifelong disease. If that were the case, I’d have Cyclical Cotton Gin Syndrome. Live long, stay strong! You’re welcome.
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writes: Loser Bum, Greg.
what happened to the mad scientist? just wondering, Linda
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How do you know if you are not sad and you are depression.
Depression is physical, sadness is mental. Depression cannot be banished with a happy thought, sadness can. Depression kills people, sadness may, but I don’t think to the same extent depression does. Loser Bum, Greg.
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Depression seems to swamp the whole of your life rather than a moment or a while of sadness. I absorbs all your energy and suicide becomes real! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you know if you are not sad and you are depression.
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How do you know if you are not sad and you are depression.
Wow, what an intersting question. Sometimes when I am really depressed, I can’t even get sad. Depression is a natural part of life… if someone you care for dies, I supposed it is natural to feel depressed. Maybe it is a part or necessary step in healing. But when depression hits and it is not related to anything, I think that is a sign that something different is wrong. A different type of depression totally.
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How do you know if you are not sad and you are depression.
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How do you know if you are not sad and you are depression.
One way is to do what is called a depression inventory, an kind of questionnaire that is used to assess mood. There are inventories in many books on depression and there is a little one in the FAQ at http://avocado.pc.helsinki.fi/~janne/asdfaq/index.html And you can go see a physician too, they do a diagnosis and then decide what to do from there. There are several things known to cause depression, like thyroid dysfunction, so it is always a good idea to see a physician about feelings of depression. — bev . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://members.tripod.com/~Veb
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|I am new here. |I feel I need to write because I want to know if anyone else is having |the same problems as I have. It is very important to know that you’re |not alone… Welcome to ASD. And No hon, you’re not alone. |Well, I am a male, soon 20 years and right now I am, well not so good. |The periods of depression I’ve been having, no matter how intense they |were, I’ve always thought that they were going to pass later on. But |they |dont. They get worse.(I have been experiencing periods of depression at |different occasions over a couple of years now and they have been worse |evey time) 22 years old, female. Haven’t been good in a long time. My isn’t getting better anymore either. Right now, to explain my situation, I have scars all over my |arms from intense cutting, I cry often, mostly at nights, when I not cry |I am aphatic. I cannot focus on my studies. I do not do anything… I |cannot do anything… . this makes me feel more and more worthless and |more and more depressed. So it is going on in circles. All I think of |everyday is suicide. | Your sepression seems to paralle mine. I cut myself to "relieve the pain" cry day and night, can’t focus on my schooling (when I can manage to go) I have become somewhat anti-social lately…I feel worthless and more so depressed because I’m all alone now. The circles are circles of bitterness and grief and guilt and darkness…there’s no light there for me. I think of killing myself all the time…but i’m a coward and can’t bring myself to do it. |I do not know what to do. It gives just so much pain to think of the |future. Because I am assured I have none. To no logical reason at all! Me too! It hurts too much if I try and plan a future knowing I don’t have one. So I try and concentrate on the present day instead. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn’t. | |I think of how good and comfortable and beautiful it would be to just |pass away, to die and forget all about your life, just disappear. It’s an euphoric feeling for me. Thinking about how much pain would be stopped and how I could be free…it’s almost enough to make me kill myself…but not quite. Somewhere deep inside me there is still a voice of reason. I just need to listen to it more. |I am not taking any medication, and I have not seen a professional. I |have been to scared to. Or maybe to proud, because not many know of my |situation. (I have no real friends I can talk to) I refuse medication…I think I’m stubborn. I fired my pdoc on Thursday too. He was an ass. Now the search is on for a new one. |Well it actually feels better to write like this, and let others hear, |if anyone gives a damn. If someone is, please write to me and share your |feelings… tell me what you do to ease the pain. It would really mean a |lot We do give a damn…a lot of us can sympathize and have been there or are there now (me) If you need to talk about it, my inbox is always open or you can page me on ICQ. {{{{{Hugs To You}}}}} Always, Heidi UIN 8049504 Have You Ever Been Close To Tragedy Or Close To Those WHo Have? Have You Felt The Pain So Powerful So Heavy You Colapsed? –Mighty Mighty Bosstones |
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I am new here. I feel I need to write because I want to know if anyone else is having the same problems as I have. It is very important to know that you’re not alone… Well, I am a male, soon 20 years and right now I am, well not so good. The periods of depression I’ve been having, no matter how intense they were, I’ve always thought that they were going to pass later on. But they dont. They get worse.(I have been experiencing periods of depression at different occasions over a couple of years now and they have been worse evey time) Right now, to explain my situation, I have scars all over my arms from intense cutting, I cry often, mostly at nights, when I not cry I am aphatic. I cannot focus on my studies. I do not do anything… I cannot do anything… . this makes me feel more and more worthless and more and more depressed. So it is going on in circles. All I think of everyday is suicide. I do not know what to do. It gives just so much pain to think of the future. Because I am assured I have none. To no logical reason at all! But I am somehow. I think of how good and comfortable and beautiful it would be to just pass away, to die and forget all about your life, just disappear. I am not taking any medication, and I have not seen a professional. I have been to scared to. Or maybe to proud, because not many know of my situation. (I have no real friends I can talk to) Well it actually feels better to write like this, and let others hear, if anyone gives a damn. If someone is, please write to me and share your feelings… tell me what you do to ease the pain. It would really mean a lot
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Well, I am a male, soon 20 years and right now I am, well not so good. The periods of depression I’ve been having, no matter how intense they were, I’ve always thought that they were going to pass later on. But they don’t. They get worse.
That is how i was, i didn’t realize that i was depressed and thought that i would just snap out of my sullen state. I thought i was just lacking motivation or was in a temporary slump. I have scars all over my arms from intense cutting, I cry often, mostly at nights, when I not cry I am aphatic. I cannot focus on my studies. I do not do anything… I cannot do anything… . this makes me feel more and more worthless and more and more depressed. So it is going on in circles. All I think of everyday is suicide.
You depression is serious enough that you should see a psychiatrist. I had the same symptoms, minus the suicidal ideation, for like 6 months before i forced myself to seek help. I saw a psychologist first, though I should have seen a psychiatrist first to get an accurate diagnosis (an MD would do a physical exam to see if there are medical reasons causing your depression) and can prescribe meds. I started taking meds later when my psychologist felt psychotherapy wasn’t enough. I think the reason you cut yourself is cuz you want to have a "real" reason for feeling pain; you prolly have anger that you are not expressing for one reason or another. Or, the physical pain from cutting yourself provides you "relief" from the emotional pain you are suffering from. You sound exactly like Myself last year. I’m 21, and studying at university. Last year things got so bad due to me denying my depression, that I couldn’t even face getting out of bed.
Denial is an enemy; it allowed my depression to get worse. I do not know what to do. It gives just so much pain to think of the future. Because I am assured I have none. To no logical reason at all!
Often when we cannot foresee our future it’s cuz we are not really sure about our self identity, our passion in life, or true personality. I thought like that too, but I realized that I’d break my family and my boyfriend’s hearts if I killed myself.
There are different causes for depression and you may overcome your depression by trying different options. If you have chemical imbalances medications may be a solution. Sometimes just psychotherapy can help. Killing yourself should be your last option after trying everything to end your suffering. I am not taking any medication, and I have not seen a professional. I have been to scared to. Or maybe to proud, because not many know of my situation. (I have no real friends I can talk to)
That is the case for me as well. I was ashamed of being depressed, like maybe it was my fault that i became depressed. I hid my depression from my family for 2 years and i’ve only just recently told them by a letter cuz i couldn’t talk to them about it. I am very shy in real life and have no one to talk too. I have to talk about my problems on the internet. I’m in a depression support group now. However i still become too shy to talk about my problems with real people in my support group. I strongly recommend seeing a doctor, or at least a counsellor to begin with, if you say you have no one to talk to (although you probably do and don’t realise it).
It sounds like Querk might be very shy like myself. I never had close talks with my parents or anybody for that matter when i was growing up. I just get too uncomfortable now talking about personal things with people. Please don’t be too proud to seek help, because most of us need it at some time during our lives. The fact that you’ve posted a message on ASD shows that you are already on your way.
I agree, getting yourself to admit that you have a difficult problem to deal with and that it will require help from others is a big step in the right direction. This might sound ridiculous, but I found that attending martial arts classes helped my feelings of anger and frustration very much, and left me feeling quite relaxed. My sleep patterns also benefitted. I had to stop because I busted my shoulder on a punching bag. Oh well.
Physical exertion does wonders for your mental health. I also found that martial arts has helped me. The problem is i don’t go regularly 
You can also try racquetball, running, or anything somewhat exhausting. Exercise releases endorphins which may help "pick you up" and feel more energetic. Also if you have anger towards someone you fear you cannot express it towards, then try going someplace and yell at no one, or write a letter to that person and just save it and maybe give the letter at a later time or you just throw it away if you feel that you can forget about everything in it. Keep posting here if you feel that you have no one you can talk with about your problems. Peace, -Derick "Regret for things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable" – Sydney J Harris http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/7982/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new here. I feel I need to write because I want to know if anyone else is having the same problems as I have. It is very important to know that you’re not alone… Well, I am a male, soon 20 years and right now I am, well not so good. The periods of depression I’ve been having, no matter how intense they were, I’ve always thought that they were going to pass later on. But they dont. They get worse.(I have been experiencing periods of depression at different occasions over a couple of years now and they have been worse evey time) Right now, to explain my situation, I have scars all over my arms from intense cutting, I cry often, mostly at nights, when I not cry I am aphatic. I cannot focus on my studies. I do not do anything… I cannot do anything… . this makes me feel more and more worthless and more and more depressed. So it is going on in circles. All I think of everyday is suicide.
You sound exactly like Myself last year. I’m 21, and studying at university. Last year things got so bad due to me denying my depression, that I couldn’t even face getting out of bed. I’d cry for no reason, and wish death on myself. It was only thanks to my boyfriend basically forcing me to the docs and to counselling that things began, slowly to get better. I’m not great or anything but I’m better than I used to be. I do not know what to do. It gives just so much pain to think of the future. Because I am assured I have none. To no logical reason at all! But I am somehow. I think of how good and comfortable and beautiful it would be to just pass away, to die and forget all about your life, just disappear.
I thought like that too, but I realised that I’d break my family and my boyfriend’s hearts if I killed myself. So now, that is not an option for me, although I still do think about it from time to time. And another thing, none of us know for sure what comes after death; knowing my luck, I’ll come back as a dung beetle! I am not taking any medication, and I have not seen a professional. I have been to scared to. Or maybe to proud, because not many know of my situation. (I have no real friends I can talk to)
I strongly recommend seeing a doctor, or at least a counsellor to begin with, if you say you have no one to talk to (although you probably do and don’t realise it). For me, my counsellor helped in many ways to root out what was causing my depression. I found that very useful. I’ve yet to wait for medical results, as I have found that Prozac/Seroxat have been unsuccessful, but that’s just me. Please don’t be too proud to seek help, because most of us need it at some time during our lives. The fact that you’ve posted a message on ASD shows that you are already on your way. Well it actually feels better to write like this, and let others hear, if anyone gives a damn. If someone is, please write to me and share your feelings… tell me what you do to ease the pain. It would really mean a lot
I don’t know if these might help, but here I go anyway : This might sound ridiculous, but I found that attending martial arts classes helped my feelings of anger and frustration very much, and left me feeling quite relaxed. My sleep patterns also benefitted. I had to stop because I busted my shoulder on a punching bag. Oh well. Your studies suffering is not good. I know becauseI am desperately trying to make up for my terrible marks from last year. My counsellor gave me a suggestion that works for me from time to time. She suggested that if at any time depression is hindering my studies, I should try and think to myself "OK, so I’m depressed now, but this is not really the best of times to be messed up"; then she said, to put the depression/problem aside, and decide upon a time to worry about it after you have completed your work. When she said this, I thought she was nuts, but I have found that it works sometimes, particularly these days when I am clawing for those good marks. I hope I have helped in some way Look after yourself
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Going to a professional was the best thing I’ve done. I was at such a low point in my life when I decided to go that I knew I didn’t want to feel like that forever. Tired
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Dear Anonymous, Welcome to ASD! I guarantee you you’re not alone. At my worst I cry all the time, lack energy, and can’t get rid of thoughts of suicide. It did not get better for me and after several overdose attempts and self-injuries, I finally sought professional help. In the meantime my marriage fell apart, I lost my home, and was alienated from everyone I thought was a friend. It hasn’t been easy trying to pick up the pieces and go on. The meds trials lasted months, and now I’m readjusting again to a new combination. But the meds do help and this group has done more for me than any other. I don’t normally talk openly about my condition except here. It is not a sign of weakness to see a doctor. I hope you will for your sake before you lose too much to this awful condition. Best of luck to you, Holly
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I am new here. I feel I need to write because I want to know if anyone else is having the same problems as I have. It is very important to know that you’re not alone… Well, I am a male, soon 20 years and right now I am, well not so good. The periods of depression I’ve been having, no matter how intense they were, I’ve always thought that they were going to pass later on. But they dont. They get worse.(I have been experiencing periods of depression at different occasions over a couple of years now and they have been worse evey time) Right now, to explain my situation, I have scars all over my arms from intense cutting, I cry often, mostly at nights, when I not cry I am aphatic. I cannot focus on my studies. I do not do anything… I cannot do anything… . this makes me feel more and more worthless and more and more depressed. So it is going on in circles. All I think of everyday is suicide. I do not know what to do. It gives just so much pain to think of the future. Because I am assured I have none. To no logical reason at all! But I am somehow. I think of how good and comfortable and beautiful it would be to just pass away, to die and forget all about your life, just disappear. I am not taking any medication, and I have not seen a professional. I have been to scared to. Or maybe to proud, because not many know of my situation. (I have no real friends I can talk to) Well it actually feels better to write like this, and let others hear, if anyone gives a damn. If someone is, please write to me and share your feelings… tell me what you do to ease the pain. It would really mean a lot thanx
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A malicious lie can often be fixed, but a maliciously told truth, never. – RGB, ASD Holy moley, am I in someone’s SIG? Wow. What he said, what he said!
ok mark, go get him! tell him to get rid of that exessive sig! blast away! no trite expressions here, huh mark??? hehehehe ;-} dennis expecting to see a request for cyber hugs from mark any day now.
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Good Gods! If I knew how to ease the pain of depression I suppose I wouldn’t be writing on this newsgroup at all. Nobody can tell you what to do exactly..but you must do something, thats clear. I would recommend seeing a shrink (yes I know thats an unprofessional word..blah..blah..blah). As far as drugs go..I know people who swear by Prozac or the other SSRI’s. It certainly doesn’t hurt to try it. In the meantime…go find a copy of "Prozac Nation" by ELizabeth Wurtzel. It was my Bible when I first got sick…for some reason it helps to know you aren;t alone.
Wow, what a great book; really makes you feel that others are going through the same thing. Keep writing here and you will soon find yourself less alone
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Welcome, You are hurting so much, and there can be help, but you do have to throw fear or pride straight out the door, and call and ask for it. If all else fails, go to the nearest emergency room before you lose your nerve, and explain to those there, what you have so bravely written to us here at ASD. I finally did that, just a few weeks ago, after fighting chronic illness and depression on my own for years. I was in a hospital for one week, was put on several medications, and have been seeing a therapist and taking the meds since being back home. My experience at the hospital, and since, was a positive one. Things are still far from perfect, but then it took me years to get to the stage I was in… namely ready to take my own life. I’m glad I didn’t, and so is my family. And even though it’s still hard work, the days and nights are getting better, and I’m beginning to look forward to getting out of bed in the morning. So please, do as I finally did, and get some professional help. And keep talking to us here. We are interested and do care how it goes for you. Take care….please. Karen C. ***glad to be still alive… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new here. I feel I need to write because I want to know if anyone else is having the same problems as I have. It is very important to know that you’re not alone… Well, I am a male, soon 20 years and right now I am, well not so good. The periods of depression I’ve been having, no matter how intense they were, I’ve always thought that they were going to pass later on. But they dont. They get worse.(I have been experiencing periods of depression at different occasions over a couple of years now and they have been worse evey time) Right now, to explain my situation, I have scars all over my arms from intense cutting, I cry often, mostly at nights, when I not cry I am aphatic. I cannot focus on my studies. I do not do anything… I cannot do anything… . this makes me feel more and more worthless and more and more depressed. So it is going on in circles. All I think of everyday is suicide. I do not know what to do. It gives just so much pain to think of the future. Because I am assured I have none. To no logical reason at all! But I am somehow. I think of how good and comfortable and beautiful it would be to just pass away, to die and forget all about your life, just disappear. I am not taking any medication, and I have not seen a professional. I have been to scared to. Or maybe to proud, because not many know of my situation. (I have no real friends I can talk to) Well it actually feels better to write like this, and let others hear, if anyone gives a damn. If someone is, please write to me and share your feelings… tell me what you do to ease the pain. It would really mean a lot thanx
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Good Gods! If I knew how to ease the pain of depression I suppose I wouldn’t be writing on this newsgroup at all. Nobody can tell you what to do exactly..but you must do something, thats clear. I would recommend seeing a shrink (yes I know thats an unprofessional word..blah..blah..blah). As far as drugs go..I know people who swear by Prozac or the other SSRI’s. It certainly doesn’t hurt to try it. In the meantime…go find a copy of "Prozac Nation" by ELizabeth Wurtzel. It was my Bible when I first got sick…for some reason it helps to know you aren;t alone. Keep writing here and you will soon find yourself less alone
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When you are dysfunctional ? A malicious lie can often be fixed, but a maliciously told truth, never. – RGB, ASD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you know if you are not sad and you are depression.
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Hi. I’m kinda new at this. I haven’t really told anyone how depressing my life feels. I don’t even think many of you will care (like everybody else in my life). It’s difficult to get up every morning and go home every night. I always am alone. I feel like nobody wants me around. I hate myself. I’ve contemplated suicide, but I can’t go through with it. Every night I cry myself to sleep knowing that tomorrow will bring more of the same. Everything I try to change my life never works. Am I alone? I need somebody who feels the same to contact me. I desperately need your help.
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Hi. I’m kinda new at this. I haven’t really told anyone how depressing my life feels. I don’t even think many of you will care (like everybody else in my life). It’s difficult to get up every morning and go home every night. I always am alone. I feel like nobody wants me around. I hate myself. I’ve contemplated suicide, but I can’t go through with it. Every night I cry myself to sleep knowing that tomorrow will bring more of the same. Everything I try to change my life never works. Am I alone? I need somebody who feels the same to contact me. I desperately need your help.
I can really only speak for myself, but I suspect most of us understand what you are saying all too well. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man *and* The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.
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Hi. I’m kinda new at this. I haven’t really told anyone how depressing my life feels. I don’t even think many of you will care (like everybody else in my life). It’s difficult to get up every morning and go home every night. I always am alone. I feel like nobody wants me around. I hate myself. I’ve contemplated suicide, but I can’t go through with it. Every night I cry myself to sleep knowing that tomorrow will bring more of the same. Everything I try to change my life never works. Am I alone? I need somebody who feels the same to contact me. I desperately need your help.
Dave, Welcome. You’re hardly alone. It’s a pretty safe bet that a lot of the folks here have either felt like you are feeling now or currently feel that way. Depression has a way of sapping one’s energy and twisting one’s perceptions other people, one’s circumstances, etc. It’s the nature of the beast, I suppose. Anyhoo…if you’re looking for some support, this is a good place to be. Out of curiousity, are you in or considering therapy and/or meds? Later, James "Hate is the opposite of Love and both gain momentum" – Miles Davis’ liner notes to ‘A Tribute to Jack Johnson’ Remove ADIOS from my addy
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Dave, I know exactly how you feel but sucide is NOT the answer. Suicide will jut take you to somewere far worse then where you feel you are now. People do cae aout you but sometimes they jus don’t eally make it apparant. A year ago I was very depressed and felt extremely alone. I was scrwing up at work, things weren’t working out with my girlfriend, I felt that I meant nothing to family. What I did that you haven’t is that I spoke out to my family and girlfriend. I went t a docter and got help. Doing this disscusion group is great but you need to see a doctor. Speak to your family if you have one. Speak to friends that you feel close to. You will be surprised at the reaction you get. I was and I’m alot happier but not cured. Depression is a disease and it can be cured eventually. Good luck with you. You can e-mail me directly if you want or you can do it through this group. Best wishes.
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Dave, you are sooo not alone. Sadly enough, suicide is not the answer. you need to think of your dreams and desires to get you thru and know that this will pass. If you feel you are in danger of hurting yourself, get help. Try the medications. They work for a lot of people. Even though you may think no one would care, you would probably be amazed by how many peoples lives you would effect with such a senseless act. I know how you feel. There are things that will help, exercise, clubs–getting support. This is a good step. Think of the positives, try the medication. You can get thru this. If you need help you can contact me. Good luck.
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"Dave" you need to talk to your dr…. please and let us know what happens. CJ< getting out her warm comforter so everyone can snuggle up and be safe
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I feel like nobody wants me around. I hate myself. I’ve contemplated suicide, but I can’t go through with it. Every night I cry myself to sleep knowing that tomorrow will bring more of the same. Everything I try to change my life never works. Am I alone?
The word from one individual who knows just where you’re at, because I’ve been there myself: Dave, you are definitely in the right place here. No, you are not alone. Hang out in ASD, read what other depressed folks say, speak up when you can. It doesn’t change real life, but it can help you to know you are not alone and unknown — and that can change everything. The NyteBard (mail sent to the header address may or may not bounce)
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Talk about depression, I lost a friend age 47 till this day we still are;nt sure what she died of, they say that she died while sleeping she swoll her tongue in her sleep. My friend could’nt have kids, it was her and her husband for 25 years. HE came home from work and found his wife. Then on June 5 my mother came from Florida to spend time with me and my family, she was staying at my house woke up that morning had breakfast with me said good-by to my 10 year old who was leaving for school, then my mother decided to take a bath and I found her dead in the bathtub she had a heartache which I will never for for the rest of my life. I still have nightmares.Now I have a sister 46 years old who has lump on her breast. SO now Im trying to think everything will be alright with her because I don’t think God would do this to me pudden 356
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You are so not alone. I know b/c I often feel the same way. I dont know yet what I’m going to do about it (that is, besides coming here)… I’m still trying to convince myself to go seek some help…maybe we both should just do it. -Kim
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it is heaven to some hell to most. the ups and downs and somehow even through the use of prescription drugs always seems to hang around. give in to the taste of it like so much pepsi and to indulge in it is so fucking risky but we do always thinking of something better. a reverberating throb in some voices try to rob sensibility and credibility even a job is gone away in the whirl wind this open melee parlay some say it is demons doing their best to produce a partay but these are the christians the doom sayers they sing practictioners of salvation they bring but even in this such is so diverse, muslim, catholic, buddhists, pentecostal, babtists, heaven’s gate (so tragic a verse in this chapter of their lives trying to enter a space ship and dying to get inside) methodist, so many sects, so many cults and so little time for me to insult each one by one so I won’t just having fun it is said and so I have read don’t take everything you read as fact and so I produce this produce this rhyme seduce this time twisting these words to the power of certain chords and hoping the christians will put down their swords beat them into plows until that is they are needed again so I sit in this spin as a spider caught in his own web oh my gosh I have bled again on this paper in front of me so I see where this is going I don’t know so I leave this now and just go
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Hello Group, I lurked on this group and asked the occassional question for about three years while helping a good friend deal with depression. Got lots of help and support, now I need more. My son is 14 and lives with his dad. Son has been in trouble from day 1 at school, and nothing seems to have helped him settle down. He has his ups and downs with dad himself, but for the most part, the problems are in school. This is a new school, new town, new friends. He’s a brilliant kid who is barely passing any of his classes. He started seeing a new therapist 2 weeks ago, who has suggested son go on Zoloft (50mg). Dad is already ON Zoloft, and thinks this is a good idea. The school "team" and administration have also decided son is emotionally ill and needs a full psyc eval to find the "problem". They will write him an IEP (special plan). The Zoloft is apparently everyone’s idea of something that will calm son down and keep him under control until they find out what the problem really is. No one is really sure if son is actually depressed, in fact, a survey quiz his therapist gave showed him not to be. Son has said, after reading the side-effects, no way, no how, to taking the Zoloft, and I’m not too keen on it either. There do not seem to be any studies or trials with Zloft on kids, and the nausea and diarrhea common to it’s use could raise hell on a VERY rapidly growing body. Plus, according to website with Zoloft’s pharmacology, son doesn’t begin to meet the criteria for depression. Has anyone had any experience with Zoloft and their kids? Or even as adults? I also see that it can be hard to quit…it creates withdrawal problems. That scares the hell out of me. Lastly, what about when it’s time to go off this stuff? If the medication is affecting you, how does a therapist know it’s ok to meet life withiout it? And where is the line between a mixed-up teenager and a kid who needs meds? HELP, anybody! I want to make the right decision, but an informed one. I should note, that son’s dad and I barely speak, per dad’s choice. He thinks he has all the answers and I am a bitch who deserves to be crushed. (this is why he has the kids). newsgroup. Thanks in advance. Agi
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My son is 14 and lives with his dad. Son has been in trouble from day 1 at school, and nothing seems to have helped him settle down He started seeing a new therapist 2 weeks ago, who has suggested son go on Zoloft (50mg). Dad is already ON Zoloft, and thinks this is a good idea. The school "team" and administration have also decided son is emotionally ill and needs a full psyc eval to find the "problem". They will write him an IEP (special plan). The Zoloft is apparently everyone’s idea of something that will calm son down and keep him under control until they find out what the problem really is. No one is really sure if son is actually depressed, in fact, a survey quiz his therapist gave showed him not to be. Son has said, after reading the side-effects, no way, no how, to taking the Zoloft, and I’m not too keen on it either.
Okay, I will add some of my thoughts on this, okay? Hi and welcome to the group first of all. I’m sorry to hear your child is having a hard time at school. It’s good you are checking on things for your childs sake. My thoughts are this. I would have my child have a complete psychological workup BUT NOT with the school psychologist. Why? Because if you go through the school and perchance you disagree, it will stay in his school records permenently regardless. I would go to a private psychologist/psychiatrist. I would pick a psychologist or a psychiatrist because your child is having his problems at school and not so much at home. There may be an issue you are unaware of at school that is causing this problem and he isn’t talking…..eg. a girl, drugs, teacher, having a hard time doing work, etc. I would NOT put my child on zoloft just for the hell of it which is what you are saying. He has not been diagnosed with depression and you looked into it and he doesn’t even have the symptoms. I would not put my child on anything until after he had seen a doctor who explained what and why he should go on something. (Although I think zoloft is pretty safe to take, having taken it for years and didn’t have a problem going off it either) I am curious as to what the therapist he is seeing says? The IEP you are talking about is written for special education childrten. IEP is a term used for children who cannot deal alone in regular classes and needs outside services or a special education class or program. Are the issues at school really that bad? Are they planning on doing the evaluation at school? Have you asked your son to answer the questionnaire on depression himself? Or did you answer it for him? There is obviously something more going on? Is he losing his temper? Is he being violent at school? Does the school diostrict have an alternative school where they place kids for a short time until the problems can be dealt with? Okay, I guess I have bombarded you enough with my questions back. Raising children is hard work and you are going about it the right way by ;learning because without learning what to do ahead of time can cause a lot more problems later, IMHO. Good luck to you. I’d like to hear back from you. Posted and emailed Mary Beth
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Everytime I make a mistake whether big or small, I really want to die. I feel sick inside and really want to off myself so that I won’t have to face my mistakes. They say that I am good at my job, but I’ve just made a major mistake and I know I am really going to be lambasted for it. My God! What am I going to do without a job? I really don’t exist without one. I am going to group therapy today, but I just don’t think that even with the group’s help that I will feel better, especially with the explosion coming tomorrow.
hi bobbi hang on ((((((((((((((bobbi))))))))))))) — Spider `((/ 
Original "Spider" by Eric ,/((
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Everytime I make a mistake whether big or small, I really want to die. I feel sick inside and really want to off myself so that I won’t have to face my mistakes. They say that I am good at my job, but I’ve just made a major mistake and I know I am really going to be lambasted for it. My God! What am I going to do without a job? I really don’t exist without one. I am going to group therapy today, but I just don’t think that even with the group’s help that I will feel better, especially with the explosion coming tomorrow. I just wanted to talk. Thank you.
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anonimous please tell meyou are coming to the dallas meet. i really would like to see if you are such an ass inperson. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i think mabey i wil drive ove to deridder and sow you first hand the nature of "my" depression. it manifests itself in episodes of extreame rage. this rage is cariied out by my 300# weightliters body. when calm i am very strong. when angry i become deadly. i don’t even need a reason to become angry. will your pop psycology save your life when we are face to face??? can your little pamphlet (stolen from my md’s waiting room) stop me from shoving your head trough a wall??? you better hope sp. i really dont think your constant threats of violence belong on this ng dennis if this was a woman would you threaten to rape her?
dennis "our compliments to the M-5 unit. and regards to captain dunsail."
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..a LOSS of interest… a CHANGE in appetite… a LOSS of energy… I haven’t lost or changed anything in a long time. Does that mean I’m not depressed?
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i think mabey i wil drive ove to deridder and sow you first hand the nature of "my" depression. it manifests itself in episodes of extreame rage. this rage is cariied out by my 300# weightliters body. when calm i am very strong. when angry i become deadly. i don’t even need a reason to become angry. will your pop psycology save your life when we are face to face??? can your little pamphlet (stolen from my md’s waiting room) stop me from shoving your head trough a wall??? you better hope sp.
i really dont think your constant threats of violence belong on this ng dennis if this was a woman would you threaten to rape her?
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great moron. you just gave us the same lame list of depression sympoms that have been around for 20 years. is your treatment equally outdated and useless??? i think mabey i wil drive ove to deridder and sow you first hand the nature of "my" depression. it manifests itself in episodes of extreame rage. this rage is cariied out by my 300# weightliters body. when calm i am very strong. when angry i become deadly. i don’t even need a reason to become angry. will your pop psycology save your life when we are face to face??? can your little pamphlet (stolen from my md’s waiting room) stop me from shoving your head trough a wall??? you better hope sp. if you want people top pay you hard earned dollars for your medical advise then you had best be prepared to deal with problems like mine and the others here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Depression: Everyone gets the blues at some point. How do you know if your feelings of depression are simply the blues or are you clinically depressed? Depression is a very treatable disorder. There are many treatments including counseling and various types of antidepressant medications which work miracles. If you meet most of these criteria you should seek professional help: 1) A depressed mood for at least 2 weeks 2) The loss of interest or pleasure in nearly all your activities 3) A change in your appetite 4) An increase or decrease in your weight 5) Problems with sleeping 6) Loss of energy 7) Feelings of worthlessness or guilt 
Difficulty in thinking, concentration, or making decisions 9) Having recurrent thoughts of death or suicidal ideation, plan, or attempts If you meet many of these indications particularly the suicidal thoughts you should seek help immediately from a professional counselor. If you are feeling depressed there are some things you can do to help yourself. I have produced a short one hour program which when followed will help you to change your self- defeating thought patterns and move you to a more positive outlook on life. This program is very easy to follow and the techniques work. Send a check or money order for $7.95 to JMB, Dept Alt88, 735 LeCompte St., DeRidder, La. 70634
dennis "our compliments to the M-5 unit. and regards to captain dunsail."
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Hello I’m not sure if this is the right venue for this but here it goes. I’m currently trying to come to gripes with a situation I’m in that has made me terrible depressed. I’ve lost a lot of weight and I don’t feel like doing anything but staying in my flat and staring at the walls. I was dating a women for about a year and it didn’t seem to be working out. We became the best of friends though. So I thought. We went to a party together and there she met one of my office mates. Without my knowledge they exchanged phone numbers. I found out about in a terrible fashion. I was going to work one morning and I saw them coming out of his flat together. I confronted her about it and she became really cold. My office mate and her were my closet friends in all the world which makes it even more difficult. I have know one to confide in and it’s tearing me up inside. Michael
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.. ~ My office mate and her were my closet friends in all the world which~makes it even more difficult. I have know one to confide in and it’s~tearing me up inside. ~ ~Michael (((((((Michael))))))) I’m sorry that it hurt you so much. I can understand how that feels – I’ve been there – feeling betrayed – that is – even though what you had with her didn’t work – there’s still the pain that hits your heart. Maybe you will be able to patch things up and become friends again – with both of them. I guess it depends on how much it hurts. In thinking for myself, I know there is one little married female I would never want to have around me again because it would just bring up too many hurtful memories. Only if I could know that she was sincerely sorry for hurting me – for going out of her way to hurt me – that would be different. I guess I have some more forgiving to do. Sorry I drifted off onto my own thing there Michael. I do hope that you can recover your friendships. Keep posting your feelings here that will help you to purge yourself of the pain. It does for me. – Bye
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~ My office mate and her were my closet friends in all the world which~makes it even more difficult. I have know one to confide in and it’s~tearing me up inside. ~ ~Michael (((((((Michael))))))) I’m sorry that it hurt you so much. I can understand how that feels – I’ve been there – feeling betrayed – that is – even though what you had with her didn’t work – there’s still the pain that hits your heart. Maybe you will be able to patch things up and become friends again – with both of them. I guess it depends on how much it hurts. In thinking for myself, I know there is one little married female I would never want to have around me again because it would just bring up too many hurtful memories. Only if I could know that she was sincerely sorry for hurting me – for going out of her way to hurt me – that would be different. I guess I have some more forgiving to do. Sorry I drifted off onto my own thing there Michael. I do hope that you can recover your friendships. Keep posting your feelings here that will help you to purge yourself of the pain. It does for me. – Bye
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Hello I’m not sure if this is the right venue for this but here it goes.
I dunno. I mean it does say "alt.support.depression" doesn’t it? I’m currently trying to come to gripes with a situation I’m in that has made me terrible depressed. I’ve lost a lot of weight and I don’t feel like doing anything but staying in my flat and staring at the walls. I was dating a women for about a year and it didn’t seem to be working out. We became the best of friends though. So I thought. We went to a party together and there she met one of my office mates. Without my knowledge they exchanged phone numbers. I found out about in a terrible fashion. I was going to work one morning and I saw them coming out of his flat together. I confronted her about it and she became really cold. My office mate and her were my closet friends in all the world which makes it even more difficult. I have know one to confide in and it’s tearing me up inside.
I think you should kill her. Actually, you should kill them both. When they’re dead, hack them to bits and sew them back together using each other’s organs. For extra thrills, put the parts in the wrong places. That’ll teach them. Oh yeah, when you’re done, eat some Cheez Whiz. They have that in the UK, don’t they? Do not attempt to e-mail me, I do not wish to talk to the likes of you.
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Oh yeah, when you’re done, eat some Cheez Whiz. They have that in the UK, don’t they?
As in, _better go for a whiz and let out some of these twelve pints of beer I just drank_? I hope not. — The opinions given above may be mine. They might also just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I’m not sure if this is the right venue for this but here it goes. I dunno. I mean it does say "alt.support.depression" doesn’t it? I’m currently trying to come to gripes with a situation I’m in that has made me terrible depressed. I’ve lost a lot of weight and I don’t feel like doing anything but staying in my flat and staring at the walls. I was dating a women for about a year and it didn’t seem to be working out. We became the best of friends though. So I thought. We went to a party together and there she met one of my office mates. Without my knowledge they exchanged phone numbers. I found out about in a terrible fashion. I was going to work one morning and I saw them coming out of his flat together. I confronted her about it and she became really cold. My office mate and her were my closet friends in all the world which makes it even more difficult. I have know one to confide in and it’s tearing me up inside. I think you should kill her. Actually, you should kill them both. When they’re dead, hack them to bits and sew them back together using each other’s organs. For extra thrills, put the parts in the wrong places. That’ll teach them. Oh yeah, when you’re done, eat some Cheez Whiz. They have that in the UK, don’t they? Do not attempt to e-mail me, I do not wish to talk to the likes of you.
Fuck you, asshole.
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Oh yeah, when you’re done, eat some Cheez Whiz. They have that in the UK, don’t they? As in, _better go for a whiz and let out some of these twelve pints of beer I just drank_? I hope not.
Eww, no! It is a condiment made of Cheese! Do not attempt to e-mail me, I do not wish to talk to the likes of you.
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Mike, I, too, give you tons of credit. Through my travels, I found a website that I have been printing out for my boyfriend. http://members.aol.com/depress/ Hope it helps! Robin
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Mike Just be there for her and let her know that you love her. The rest will follow with time. Paddington Bear – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My girlfriend suffers from depressions every now and then (suicide attempts), I as a newcomer to this problem would like to know how i can support her and help her over the bad times, especially now in the grey autumn days! Thanks a lot Mike
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Hey Mike, I have to give you a lot of credit! One of the most difficult things about suffering from depression is the people closes to you having no understanding and not making any attempt to understand. There are many types of depression and many people react in different ways. Some go through bouts of crying, some just keep to themselves in silent pain, sleep disorders, anxiety, insecurities, etc. It can be very complex. Let her know you love her and treat her like she is NORMAL…because she is. I know it is hard not to take some reactions personal and you must have patience at times. My best suggestion for you is to read a book or a few regarding depression. One book I found which describes depression very well is Darkness Visable by William Styron. He is the author of Sophie’s Choice and other classic novels (in case you never heard of him) He has suffered depression and this short book takes you through his experience. Search the online book stores such as Amazon at www.amazon.com for this and other books. Chris G
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My girlfriend suffers from depressions every now and then (suicide attempts), I as a newcomer to this problem would like to know how i can support her and help her over the bad times, especially now in the grey autumn days! Thanks a lot Mike
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wow you sound like me I slept 12 hours yesterday. I need sleeping pills to get to sleep and I cant wake up. I say I hide from the world. I also dont eat at all or I eat to much I also get sick but its when I eat I vomit and well lets not go there. the last few weeks I’m lucky if I get out of bed before 3 and stay up and I have to make myself take a shower. I dont do anything but sleep and take pills anymore. If you are like this and your not going to therapy please get some help soon. they can help you understand how you are feeling and treat it ~Angie
Depression tears at me. I’ve been going through a tough time lately. I posted here before. I’ve been sleeping most of the day. Like 12-15 hours a day.. I eat either nothing or eat till I’m so full I can’t move. I feel so sad and depressed it is hard to get through the day. I stay at home and mope and feel miserable. I have been sick off and on for the past month and wonder if it has any correlation to being so depressed. I was on antibiotics, I finished those up almost a week ago and I’m still sick. I feel sick to my stomach, my body aches, I feel weak and unmotivated. I’ve been coughing and hacking and sniffling. I need some inspiration, I need a life. I have nothing. Can someone please help? I appreciate it. Lost and confused. Brianna.
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Depression tears at me. I’ve been going through a tough time lately. I posted here before. I’ve been sleeping most of the day. Like 12-15 hours a day.. I eat either nothing or eat till I’m so full I can’t move. I feel so sad and depressed it is hard to get through the day. I stay at home and mope and feel miserable. I have been sick off and on for the past month and wonder if it has any correlation to being so depressed. I was on antibiotics, I finished those up almost a week ago and I’m still sick. I feel sick to my stomach, my body aches, I feel weak and unmotivated. I’ve been coughing and hacking and sniffling. I need some inspiration, I need a life. I have nothing. Can someone please help? I appreciate it. Lost and confused. Brianna.
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I would like to know what kind of support network you offer for depression "victims". I have been on Paxil for 3 years and still suffer from the ups and downs of depression. This has led to many suicidal thoughts. How do I get started in working with you or a similar group? === Shelley Zimpelman
Hi, You’ve just started with this group by posting something. Welcome I have experienced depression for 6 years now. There are others here that have much longer and shorter experiences. I try to share what I’ve experienced when necessary to help if I can. Other times I ask for support Welcome to ASD daz San Jose, CA
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I would like to know what kind of support network you offer for depression "victims". I have been on Paxil for 3 years and still suffer from the ups and downs of depression. This has led to many suicidal thoughts. How do I get started in working with you or a similar group? === Shelley Zimpelman Do You Yahoo!? — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
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It fluctuates with "my friend."
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I would like to know what kind of support network you offer for depression "victims". I have been on Paxil for 3 years and still suffer from the ups and downs of depression. This has led to many suicidal thoughts. How do I get started in working with you or a similar group?
Basically, you post here, we read your post, and some of us should respond either by email or in the newsgroup. I am responding right now because you mention Paxil, which I’ve been taking for about 4.5 years, and which has given me back my life. One thing you probably will benefit from is just lurking (reading the posts without yet responding to them) because it will give you an idea of who the different personalities are, what kinds of things people here talk about, and whether or not you feel comfortable about this particular newsgroup. Most people here suffer with some form of depression, or know someone who does. While we have depression as a common denominator, we can – and do – talk about *anything*. Sometimes our discussions get rather, shall we say, *heated*, and alt.support.depression is notorious throughout Usenet for some of its goings on. Despite that, it is a worldwide community which quite literally has saved lives. When you post, don’t be surprised if sometimes your posts receive no reply. Don’t assume that nobody likes you; lack of response could mean that your post has not reached everyone, or that people who read it feel incapable of responding for reasons which have nothing to do with you. But when you feel that you need to communicate with someone who understands the pain you are living through, because they live with the pain of their own depression, this is the place to come. Tell us about the things that get you down, and the things that make your day. Celebrate your successes with us, and share your fears and failures. Reach out to people whom you see hurting, because we are going to reach out to you when you are in pain. Please tell us more about yourself. Are you getting some form of talk therapy as an adjunct to the Paxil? Do the people in your real life environment understand how depression is affecting you? Tara Ballance Montreal, Canada
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hiya, welcome to asd. Basically what happens around here is described pretty good by Tara, i just wanted to say Hi! – Gnomie — I’m lying on my head, no i’m not in my bed, just checkin’ out the world from a different angle. That’s what happens when you trip on your blindness. Always seems for some reason that it is happening to me. Why is it so, and why don’t i know? Why is it so, i can’t see the obstacle in front of me? Christ i’m falling down again it happens to me now and then. —- "Growing up (and falling down". The Living End.
: I would like to know what kind of support network you offer for : depression "victims". I have been on Paxil for 3 years and still : suffer from the ups and downs of depression. This has led to many : suicidal thoughts. How do I get started in working with you or a : similar group? : : === : : : Shelley Zimpelman : Do You Yahoo!? : : : : : — : For more information about this service, send e-mail to: :
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because my family really cant comprehend my emotional state.Does anyone else feel like this? also i have no energy. i get up at 8 to put the kids on the bus then i sleep till 4 when they get home, make a quick dinner then i go to bed at 6 for the rest of the night. I tried drugs but i cant get up in the morning.I tried st.johns wort but the effects only last so long
Too much sleeping. For me, too much sleeping makes it worse. Right now I’m on an anti-depressant that is also a sleeping pill (at 1/6th the dose) but I still don’t sleep well. Tired all the time. There are other ad meds that aren’t sedating or tiring. I did ok on luvox one time but it stopped working for me. I’m going to ask for some wellbutrin next doc visit. Have you been to a pill shrink? One of the ones that are expert in the use of the medications? There is a wide variety. No amount of talk therapy or cognitive exercises will change to somnolence. The only way to get at that is through chemical therapy – the anti-depressant drugs. Have you had the blood tests too? Like the ones for thyroid and diabetes and all.
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Lady, welcome. You are by no means alone. Everyone here feels some or all of the things you feel.Depression is very misunderstood. Don’t feel bad if your family doesn’t understand. It took my wife years to accept what i was trying to tell her about depression. You have taken the hardest step, saying you have a problem. I have fought depression for 40 years. I finally got the upper hand 3 years ago. Talk to your family doctor about how you are feeling. He/she may understand and be able to help with talking therapy and/or medications. Keep posting here. There are many caring , supportive people and a lot of knowledge here. Keep hope. This will get better.
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I am a 25 yr old mother of 2 boys. I have been dealing with depression for about 5 years now. Most times i can deal with it and things are great for months on end. Even though i am married with kids, have lots of friends and a large family i always feel lonely. I feel sad and i always analyze things to death. Therefor i always feel impending doom and like i will never be happy again. I have a hard time expressing my feelings so hubby thinks i am angry. I have a very violent temper and am quick to fly off the handle. I cant listen to reason. I am so frustrated because i feel like no one understands. I used to be a very strong person now i cry at the drop of a hat. I have no one to talk to because my family really cant comprehend my emotional state.Does anyone else feel like this? also i have no energy. i get up at 8 to put the kids on the bus then i sleep till 4 when they get home, make a quick dinner then i go to bed at 6 for the rest of the night. I tried drugs but i cant get up in the morning.I tried st.johns wort but the effects only last so long
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I can’t seem to do anything right.
I doubt that’s true. Such as what….? I don’t have any energy
Have the laundromat do your laundry. Eat your favorite take-out instead of cooking. Curl up on the couch if you feel the need. i’m not happy
Welcome to ASD!! i can’t concentrate on anything
My motto: "Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow?" Don’t burden yourself right now if you can avoid it. i’m trying to remember what
Christmas is all about, but all I end up doing is crying… I don’t know what to do. Yeah, Christmas seems to lose some of its meaning after childhood. Just do what you absolutely need to do. I spent some time in Office Max and found a lot of useful gifts. That helped my mood a lot. This year, Christmas is, to me, a fun way to break up the bitter, dark, cold winter with good food, company and fun buying gifts. I hope you feel better, Tig!
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I can’t seem to do anything right. I don’t have any energy, i’m not happy, i can’t concentrate on anything, i’m trying to remember what Christmas is all about, but all I end up doing is crying… I don’t know what to do. Before you buy.
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I can’t seem to do anything right. I don’t have any energy, i’m not happy, i can’t concentrate on anything, i’m trying to remember what Christmas is all about, but all I end up doing is crying… I don’t know what to do.
Hang on, it’s almost over – you’re in the home stretch now! 
) I hope you get to feeling better, tiggers. Aware1 — Toto… I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore.
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I was feeling rotten & searched "not doing Christmas" in Deja just to see if I was alone in my thoughts — apparently not!! Nice summary of how *I* feel, except I haven’t cried (yet). In spite of CFS nipping at my heals & depression threatening to override my meds (which has somewhat improved the depression), I still managed to do some Christmas. Shopping, wrapping, a few lights outside. Done!! Late, but done. No tree & cards again this year — not enough energy (or desire) left. My first year to send Hubby off to do Christmas alone with my in-laws today. I love ‘em, but caved in to my exhaustion this time instead of continuing to fight it. Didn’t want to push myself to the point of being bedridden or totally whacked out… And though it is 5PM & I’ve felt sleepy all day (icky night last night), there is one tiny spot that is happy. I still feel the Christmas Spirit within & around me, although I lost my "religion" long ago! The holidays are difficult for so many. It is *okay* to feel sad right now. You are obviously sensing loss, believing the Christmas meaning you’ve known is lost within… It isn’t lost! It is just being quiet right now & heavily masked by the depression. Don’t push yourself too hard. Try to find something simple & pleasant to do that doesn’t make you feel like you are hauling around a basket of concrete. Please hang in there & know there are others (ahem — like me) who understand. ~~~Octavia I can’t seem to do anything right. I don’t have any energy, i’m not happy, i can’t concentrate on anything, i’m trying to remember what Christmas is all about, but all I end up doing is crying… I don’t know what to do.
Before you buy.
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How do you gain back your feeling of self worth, after a lifetime of being told that you are worth nothing?
Please remember to sign my guestbook…Thanks! Terri
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I can’t seem to do anything right.
Anything!? Anything at all? Remember, there is a difference between, ‘I fumbled because of my mood’ and ‘I can’t do anything right’. I don’t have any energy,
Don’t try to have energy for awhile. Relax. Let your muscles go. Think only necessary thoughts, rest everthing else. Take a breather from worrying about it. Try running with all of your muscles stiffened and then try running using as few muscles as possible. Which way took you further? i’m trying to remember what Christmas is all about,
If your a christian then it’s about the birth of the Supreme Being as a man on earth. If your not religious then it’s just another day off work with a bunch of extraordinarily annoying tv commercials.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In article This is my first time responding to forums. I just read through the many boring notes. I really don’t understand the purpose of this. I have had depression all my understanding life. I have come to terms with it. I don’t think depression is a terrible thing. Well, perhaps *your* depression is different from *my* depression and the depression of many others here. *My* depression has affected me much more detrimentally than *yours*, according to your description, has affected you. I don’t believe in ‘comparing’ severities, so I’m *not* saying you haven’t truly been depressed. All I know is that *my* depression requires intensive therapy to treat and recover from. While I do that extremely difficult work in therapy and strive to obtain the life I hitherto was precluded from having *because* of my depression, *I* get a lot of comfort and support from this newsgroup. If you don’t, that’s fine. But to conclude that because it is not useful for *you* it must not be useful for *anyone* is illogical and . . . well . . . a little arrogant. So why did you post this opinion? If this group is so ‘boring’, why didn’t you just leave? I’m truly curious. Ciessa
I could not have said this better myself. So I won’t even try. I’ll just say "DITTO" Sincerely, Kimberly
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R U Crazy! Depression means that to some degree u r unhappy. Being unhappy is not a very good reason to be alive. Logically, one can not be happy with being unhappy so in some way u just have to look at your problem. — Charles from N.J. land of the Giants … another bad year of the NFL
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In article I feel the depression is being enlighted, and the real pain is not be accepted in main stream society.
Depression isn’t enlightenment. Can you think of a single insight it brings, that a healthy person wouldn’t have access to as well? We are not higher, merely different. The constellation of our differences may make it harder for us to be assimilated, but not fitting in is hardly a mark of excellence. Before I came to terms about being different, I tried so hard to fit in. I could not relate to the sheep <A term..I call the main stream society.
The "sheep" are living more happily, healthily, and fulfilled than most of us are. Why insult them for getting it right? cp — ** Baywatch Barbie and her pet dolphin do not move by themselves ** * yet MORE new pages! http://www.mindspring.com/~capadgett * **** Art Used For Illustration Purposes Only ****
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is my first time responding to forums. I just read through the many boring notes. I really don’t understand the purpose of this. I have had depression all my understanding life. I have come to terms with it. I don’t think depression is a terrible thing. If you don’t think it’s a terrible thing then you have never really been depressed. Being sad because your prom date dumped you doesn’t count. Dnison Penndragon {To respond, please delete "REMOVE-THIS" from my e-mail address.} Now there’s no more oak oppression, for they passed a noble law, And the trees are all kept equal, by hatchet, axe, and saw. - Neil Peart
I can see what the guy’s saying. I don’t know you, Dnison, well enough to know if you are the artistic type or not, but I do know from experience that many artistic people believe that because all these great writers, artists, muscians, etc throughout history have been depressed, depression is a romantic thing that is vital and neccessary to being a legitimate artist. It does not mean that they are any less depressed, it means simply that they have found a way to rationalize it so that they don’t feel so guilty. I’m generalizing, but I am speaking from experience, since I used to be this way. I also believe that depression, for me, made me who I am, made me stronger than anyone else in my whole family, and has given me the ability to make it through anything. These are things that I prize in myself, usually the only parts of myself I can take pride in without apology or backsliding into negation. Would I trade all this for a life without ever having faced depression? I don’t know. In all honesty I have to say that, because I think life would be better without it, but I would be a totally different person and I don’t know if I really would want to trade my strengths in for a weaker but happier self. I used to think I could only be an authentic artist if I was depressed or an alcoholic or somehow fucked up. Then I got so depressed I lost interest in art, and now I think I, personally, would function better as an artist at this point in my life if I could deal with my depression and get it under control. Each person’s depression is different. Each person deals with it differently. Using it as creative fuel is one way, and sometimes it works for a while, as long as you don’t get consumed in the process. Anyhow, my 2 cents, take it or leave it. Smiles — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
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In article I just read through the many boring notes. I really don’t understand the purpose of this. I have had depression all my understanding life. I have come to terms with it. I don’t think depression is a terrible thing.
First you insult us….it’s not boring to us at all…. Then you state that depression is not a terrible thing…..are we talking about the same thing here????? For some of us, it is a very painful disease that affects everything in our lives. It’s not a source of creativity….it’s a source of soul crushing pain. Perhaps this is not a good group for you to write to……you don’t seem to understand the kind of depression we talk about here. Pattybear
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OOps… I believe the person who wrote that depression is not such " a bad thing" logged on to the wrong NG for he knows not what he says. ….Rice.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello This is my first time responding to forums. I just read through the many boring notes. I really don’t understand the purpose of this. I have had depression all my understanding life. I have come to terms with it. I don’t think depression is a terrible thing. Society claims: We have a illness, but if you look at all the great artist in history..Most suffered from some sort of depression. The <so called normal people have set the norms and values, but they veiw the art <created by people with depression, and judge it acceptable. I feel the depression is being enlighted, and the real pain is not be accepted in main stream society. Before I came to terms about being different, I tried so hard to fit in. I could not relate to the sheep <A term..I call the main stream society. I realized the creative ability. I had in myself through my depression. I developed it, and I found others to cure the pain of loneliness. Don’t get me wrong. It is not a easy battle, and I still have a long way to go. But I think, if you come to terms with depression. The world will open up to you, and you will find others like you.
I am not sure if what you describe is depression. For me, depression means having no emotions whatsoever. It is a total blankness of the mind, when existence ceases to have any meaning. At that point, breathing is a useless effort. There is no battle, there is no desire to do *anything*. To be able to express your feelings you must have some feelings first, and then some desire to express them. Depression annihilates these things. The deepest depression I’ve known had no pain, no suffering, no motivation to continue to exist. I hope that you never experience this because chances are good you will not live to tell about it. Boyana — http://arnoldi.cs.uiuc.edu/~radenska/
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In article This is my first time responding to forums. I just read through the many boring notes. I really don’t understand the purpose of this. I have had depression all my understanding life. I have come to terms with it. I don’t think depression is a terrible thing.
Well, perhaps *your* depression is different from *my* depression and the depression of many others here. *My* depression has affected me much more detrimentally than *yours*, according to your description, has affected you. I don’t believe in ‘comparing’ severities, so I’m *not* saying you haven’t truly been depressed. All I know is that *my* depression requires intensive therapy to treat and recover from. While I do that extremely difficult work in therapy and strive to obtain the life I hitherto was precluded from having *because* of my depression, *I* get a lot of comfort and support from this newsgroup. If you don’t, that’s fine. But to conclude that because it is not useful for *you* it must not be useful for *anyone* is illogical and . . . well . . . a little arrogant. So why did you post this opinion? If this group is so ‘boring’, why didn’t you just leave? I’m truly curious. Ciessa
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Hello This is my first time responding to forums. I just read through the many boring notes. I really don’t understand the purpose of this. I have had depression all my understanding life. I have come to terms with it. I don’t think depression is a terrible thing. Society claims: We have a illness, but if you look at all the great artist in history..Most suffered from some sort of depression. The <so called normal people have set the norms and values, but they veiw the art <created by people with depression, and judge it acceptable. I feel the depression is being enlighted, and the real pain is not be accepted in main stream society. Before I came to terms about being different, I tried so hard to fit in. I could not relate to the sheep <A term..I call the main stream society. I realized the creative ability. I had in myself through my depression. I developed it, and I found others to cure the pain of loneliness. Don’t get me wrong. It is not a easy battle, and I still have a long way to go. But I think, if you come to terms with depression. The world will open up to you, and you will find others like you.
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Hello This is my first time responding to forums. I just read through the many boring notes. I really don’t understand the purpose of this. I have had depression all my understanding life. I have come to terms with it. I don’t think depression is a terrible thing. Society claims: We have a illness, but if you look at all the great artist in history..Most suffered from some sort of depression. The <so called normal people have set the norms and values, but they veiw the art <created by people with depression, and judge it acceptable.
Ummmmmm, how do you know that you have had depression? Have you been diagnosed by a professional therapist or doctor? There is well documented scientific evidence that depression *IS* an illness, caused by an imbalance of neurochemicals which can be brought on by situations (death of a loved one, loss of relationships, physical and or emotional abuse, etc) and/or heredity. Perhaps you have experienced "normal" feelings of depression, as the word is used in the (American) culture, rather than clinical depression, as the word is used in the medical profession. I just mention this, because if you found *all* the posts you read "boring" and couldn’t see yourself in a *single* person’s situation, then it very well could be normal feelings of sadness or being down that can be caused by not fitting in ("Before I came to terms about being different, I tried so hard to fit in. I could not relate to the sheep <A term..I call the main stream society. "). Just my 2 cents….. [posted & emailed] leslie — "Tomorrow, I’ll do it tomorrow. What’s wrong with tomorrow?" – Wall of Voodoo
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I used to think I could only be an authentic artist if I was depressed or an alcoholic or somehow fucked up. Then I got so depressed I lost interest in art, and now I think I, personally, would function better as an artist at this point in my life if I could deal with my depression and get it under control.
I used to think that depression was an integral part of creative thinking. My Pdoc asked the question: Are artist’s creative because of their depression or despite it? I enjoyed reading a biography of Winston Churchill. He suffered with depression throughout his life and yet he wrote histories, painted, gardened, designed, built, and–oh yeah– held England together while Hitler tried to bomb them out of existence. As I read, I realized that Churchill was so productive because what he called the Black Dog was always lurking in the shadows. When he felt capable of work, he did it because he might not be able to soon. When I briefly experienced a lift in my mood, I became a very productive person because I knew I would eventually crash. Maybe it is depression as an ever present companion that encourages creativity, not experiencing the low mood. Pamela
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In my opinion, what you are talking about is being "bummed out". True clinical depression has a lot to do with a chemical imbalance in the brain. Unfortunately it often is a life long illness, which can be improved with medication and therapy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How does one recover from depression, as I have been taking medication for 16 years, and am still depressed, so much till I am tired of fighting the illness! Man it’s a tough fight. Obviously you are a tough cookie cause you haven’t given up hope and have dueled with this for 16 years. I had depression for about 10 tough years but pulled out of it. Succeeding at work, outfitting the abode, having fun with friends, and having mucho sex is way preferable to being alone, crying, drinking, and generally being unhappy. Therapy and meds may be important (more so for some than others) but only you can truely end the depression. What that means is (1) accepting your life for what it is, (2) not obsessing about the things that hurt or bother you, and (3) concentrating on doing the things that make life better. Essentially all of this is self healing stuff. Therapy helped some but it really didn’t solve the problem. I only took meds for about two weeks and really didn’t like it. Recovering from depression can only come within yourself but dammit it is possible. I am proof of that. Don’t let these people tell you it is a life long illness. It’s not. Just as you can be depressed you can also be happy. These are the two states you can be in but only one at a time. I’ve only airbrushed the surface on the healing process. There is of course more to this but my time is reallly limited right now. Swam
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How does one recover from depression, as I have been taking medication for 16 years, and am still depressed, so much till I am tired of fighting the illness!
Man 16 years that is my worst nightmare come true. I think thats exactly whats going to happen to me I am not going to get over this depression and its going to stick with me for a life time. I hope not my advice to you is to give yourself positive thoughts I know a guy who made a tape recording of all his positive thoughts about himself and then would listen to them. It worked for him and a few others. Have you tried shock therapy. It is usually a last ditch effort but does work in 75-80% of people. Well good luck.
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How does one recover from depression, as I have been taking medication for 16 years, and am still depressed, so much till I am tired of fighting the illness!
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How does one recover from depression, as I have been taking medication for 16 years, and am still depressed, so much till I am tired of fighting the illness!
The available treatments are ineffective for about a third of us. We’re left waiting for new treatments to be developed. All we can do is develop individual coping skills. You may not be part of that third, the treatment we receive varies widely. What all have you tried? like, which meds? Therapy too, have you tried any of those? — bev . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://members.tripod.com/~Veb
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Hi pi square (just joking; I do not now how to call you, and as for your email user’s name….) In my view your mum definitely needs help. I guess your first goal should be to convince her that she is in wanting of support; after all living a life deprived of affective rewards is difficult for anyone. Is there a relative, a friend of hers, a priest or someone she trusts who could help you in that first goal? I hope you can find a way to see your mother in therapy or counseling. By the way, you say: my mum is acting strangely for the last few years as if saying: the last few days! I should have thought that if we are speaking of years here, it is not strange anymore. But never mind, good luck with your finding help for her. Cordially, Steppen. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My mom has been acting strange the last few years. She can seem happy at times and then will call me up, going off on everything, screaming and crying and cursing. Her and my dad went through a bad divorce over 6 years ago. She still talks nasty about him and has recently started talking about the kids just as bad. I tell her she has to talk to someone and she won’t. Her behavior gets more hostile and her mouth more abusive every year–she is not physically abusive with any of us. She fights with my sister, which hurts her so much as she would like a nice relationship with her. She is starting to screw us up, making me miss sleep at night because I worry about her and making my sister stay away from her. Its like she wants sympathy or something, I don’t know. She won’t go for any type of help, tells us that we need it. Tells us we’re worthless kids. Always putting us down, especially when we were younger. We don’t listen to any of it. We had a bad childhood because she was in a relationship she did not want to be in and took it out on the kids. We have recovered but she still dwells on it. Because we go to my dad’s her new thing is to tell us how he used to beat her all the time. He didn’t. She wants us to have nothing to do with him because she hates him. I can’t handle this anymore. Suggestions?
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My mom has been acting strange the last few years. She can seem happy at times and then will call me up, going off on everything, screaming and crying and cursing. Her and my dad went through a bad divorce over 6 years ago. She still talks nasty about him and has recently started talking about the kids just as bad. I tell her she has to talk to someone and she won’t. Her behavior gets more hostile and her mouth more abusive every year–she is not physically abusive with any of us. She fights with my sister, which hurts her so much as she would like a nice relationship with her. She is starting to screw us up, making me miss sleep at night because I worry about her and making my sister stay away from her. Its like she wants sympathy or something, I don’t know. She won’t go for any type of help, tells us that we need it. Tells us we’re worthless kids. Always putting us down, especially when we were younger. We don’t listen to any of it. We had a bad childhood because she was in a relationship she did not want to be in and took it out on the kids. We have recovered but she still dwells on it. Because we go to my dad’s her new thing is to tell us how he used to beat her all the time. He didn’t. She wants us to have nothing to do with him because she hates him. I can’t handle this anymore. Suggestions?
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I suffer from depression and need to talk tonight!
Whats up …. anything you like.
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I suffer from depression and need to talk tonight!
So did anyone from here talk with you the night you posted this message, or any other night for that matter?? Just curious….. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man *and* The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK)
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I suffer from depression and need to talk tonight!
Then go ahead and talk…we are listening. Mary Beth
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I suffer from depression and need to talk tonight!
Well, you’re in the right place, tho I’m sorry to hear of anyone who suffers from the big D. What can we do for ya? — Our lives begin to end the day we are silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King, Jr.
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I suffer from depression and need to talk tonight!
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How does one recover from depression, as I have been taking medication for 16 years, and am still depressed, so much till I am tired of fighting the illness!
Man it’s a tough fight. Obviously you are a tough cookie cause you haven’t given up hope and have dueled with this for 16 years. I had depression for about 10 tough years but pulled out of it. Succeeding at work, outfitting the abode, having fun with friends, and having mucho sex is way preferable to being alone, crying, drinking, and generally being unhappy. Therapy and meds may be important (more so for some than others) but only you can truely end the depression. What that means is (1) accepting your life for what it is, (2) not obsessing about the things that hurt or bother you, and (3) concentrating on doing the things that make life better. Essentially all of this is self healing stuff. Therapy helped some but it really didn’t solve the problem. I only took meds for about two weeks and really didn’t like it. Recovering from depression can only come within yourself but dammit it is possible. I am proof of that. Don’t let these people tell you it is a life long illness. It’s not. Just as you can be depressed you can also be happy. These are the two states you can be in but only one at a time. I’ve only airbrushed the surface on the healing process. There is of course more to this but my time is reallly limited right now. Swam
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No, it was without a doubt, clinical depression. 10 years is not "bummed out". The mental pain was not "bummed out". The inability to function properly was not "bummed out". I was diagnosed as clinically depressed by my Psch doctor. There was a chemical imbalance. The imbalance can be recovered with the right mental outlook, which over an extended time, causes chemicals to come back into balance. Just as painful and unhappy thoughts cause the brain to go out of balance the opposite positive thoughts can help. Swam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In my opinion, what you are talking about is being "bummed out". True clinical depression has a lot to do with a chemical imbalance in the brain. Unfortunately it often is a life long illness, which can be improved with medication and therapy. How does one recover from depression, as I have been taking medication for 16 years, and am still depressed, so much till I am tired of fighting the illness! Man it’s a tough fight. Obviously you are a tough cookie cause you haven’t given up hope and have dueled with this for 16 years. I had depression for about 10 tough years but pulled out of it. Succeeding at work, outfitting the abode, having fun with friends, and having mucho sex is way preferable to being alone, crying, drinking, and generally being unhappy. Therapy and meds may be important (more so for some than others) but only you can truely end the depression. What that means is (1) accepting your life for what it is, (2) not obsessing about the things that hurt or bother you, and (3) concentrating on doing the things that make life better. Essentially all of this is self healing stuff. Therapy helped some but it really didn’t solve the problem. I only took meds for about two weeks and really didn’t like it. Recovering from depression can only come within yourself but dammit it is possible. I am proof of that. Don’t let these people tell you it is a life long illness. It’s not. Just as you can be depressed you can also be happy. These are the two states you can be in but only one at a time. I’ve only airbrushed the surface on the healing process. There is of course more to this but my time is reallly limited right now. Swam
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, it was without a doubt, clinical depression. 10 years is not "bummed out". The mental pain was not "bummed out". The inability to function properly was not "bummed out". I was diagnosed as clinically depressed by my Psch doctor. There was a chemical imbalance. The imbalance can be recovered with the right mental outlook, which over an extended time, causes chemicals to come back into balance. Just as painful and unhappy thoughts cause the brain to go out of balance the opposite positive thoughts can help. Swam In my opinion, what you are talking about is being "bummed out". True clinical depression has a lot to do with a chemical imbalance in the brain. Unfortunately it often is a life long illness, which can be improved with medication and therapy. How does one recover from depression, as I have been taking medication for 16 years, and am still depressed, so much till I am tired of fighting the illness! Man it’s a tough fight. Obviously you are a tough cookie cause you haven’t given up hope and have dueled with this for 16 years. I had depression for about 10 tough years but pulled out of it. Succeeding at work, outfitting the abode, having fun with friends, and having mucho sex is way preferable to being alone, crying, drinking, and generally being unhappy. Therapy and meds may be important (more so for some than others) but only you can truely end the depression. What that means is (1) accepting your life for what it is, (2) not obsessing about the things that hurt or bother you, and (3) concentrating on doing the things that make life better. Essentially all of this is self healing stuff. Therapy helped some but it really didn’t solve the problem. I only took meds for about two weeks and really didn’t like it. Recovering from depression can only come within yourself but dammit it is possible. I am proof of that. Don’t let these people tell you it is a life long illness. It’s not. Just as you can be depressed you can also be happy. These are the two states you can be in but only one at a time. I’ve only airbrushed the surface on the healing process. There is of course more to this but my time is reallly limited right now. Swam
Just following up, I have licked the depression for sure. Been a long time now and no flashbacks and very fiew short term down episodes. I am happy again and my life shows it. I am managing money well, my place looks fabulous, I have social stuff going on constantly, girlfriends, and work is going great. It would have been nice if depression never happened. It’s not really a choice though. It just happens and there is nothing that can prevent it once it decends. One of lifes nastier surprises. Fortunately it can be overcome. Anyone else out there make a full recovery?
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Dear Dave: You might have her look into EEG Driven Stimulation (EDS) a form of biofeedback for the brainwaves. Her condition may be associated with the slow, low amplitude brain wave frequencies that are often helped by this treatment. Look to http:/www.flexyx.com for more information.
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A good psychiatrist that is dealing with refractory depression does properly mix medications. Thyroid problems are frequently a source of problems with those suffering from depression as is other hormonal problems. A good web site for information on this is: http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.html and for treating refractory depression: http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.drugs.html — Peace, love and serenity, Madeleine aka maddog http://forums.msn.com/Disabilities/welcome.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Something that many doctors don’t recommend is combinations of medications like SSRI’s with tricyclics or lithium or thyroid hormone or other combinations. Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions
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Something that many doctors don’t recommend is combinations of medications like SSRI’s with tricyclics or lithium or thyroid hormone or other combinations. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions
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Hi… First off… is it endogyous depression? if it is, then maybe I can help. I was diagnosed as clinically depressed too but am now (proud to say) recovering. First off… if she hasnt the energy to do anything and the guilt in her is building up to boiling point. Then dont force her. try getting books on depression so that she can read and understand what shes going through. tidy up her room. It helps to boost self-confidence. Although at times. That would seem difficult. Try hot baths and if possible. going to church or whatever religious institution you belong to. Depression is a time whereby true hope is found. The darkness will soon give way to the light God Bless and do reply Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions
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Mono Polar depression is very quickly amenable to applied psychophysiology interventions, such as biofeedback, accupuncture, integrative therapies, 12 steping in ACA for relationships healing. Basically what is happening is one hemisphere of the brain is going to asleep, sometimes its just different areas of the brain that are going in to delta wave pattern. A form of unconsciousness. She is not in a good relationship with herself, other people and her higher power. She has to learn how to make love (has nothing to do with sex – or only when you do it, it does). Dysfunctional psychology stuff is at hand, and needs to be attended to. But, still basically, with biofeedback a stess inventory is taken, and then EEG training is performed (after mastery of the other 3 primary modalities, temp, gsr, emg) for alpha/theta wave formations with the stress inventory issues. She has a broken heart, grief work, moving the bodymind into greater flexability and life is what sets things straight, mindtalk will only go so far. Bipolar depression is a whole different matter, which I seriously doubt your friend is involved with. If she is on meds, only take them for 6 months top. Work on her suicidal and/or self sabotaging issues. After 6 months the meds are the new addiction, and the MD is the pusher. St. John’s Wort has gotten good reviews from my recovery buddies, can process and still feel feelings – just the rollor coaster ride is smoother. SumBuddie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions
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First, it is Unipolar depression. Second, it is criminal to tell anyone to never take meds beyond six months. Third, antidepressants are not addictive. Fourth, I really don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about. — Peace, love and serenity, Madeleine aka maddog http://forums.msn.com/Disabilities/welcome.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mono Polar depression is very quickly amenable to applied psychophysiology interventions, such as biofeedback, accupuncture, integrative therapies, 12 steping in ACA for relationships healing. Basically what is happening is one hemisphere of the brain is going to asleep, sometimes its just different areas of the brain that are going in to delta wave pattern. A form of unconsciousness. She is not in a good relationship with herself, other people and her higher power. She has to learn how to make love (has nothing to do with sex – or only when you do it, it does). Dysfunctional psychology stuff is at hand, and needs to be attended to. But, still basically, with biofeedback a stess inventory is taken, and then EEG training is performed (after mastery of the other 3 primary modalities, temp, gsr, emg) for alpha/theta wave formations with the stress inventory issues. She has a broken heart, grief work, moving the bodymind into greater flexability and life is what sets things straight, mindtalk will only go so far. Bipolar depression is a whole different matter, which I seriously doubt your friend is involved with. If she is on meds, only take them for 6 months top. Work on her suicidal and/or self sabotaging issues. After 6 months the meds are the new addiction, and the MD is the pusher. St. John’s Wort has gotten good reviews from my recovery buddies, can process and still feel feelings – just the rollor coaster ride is smoother. SumBuddie Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions
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Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions
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Thank you, Madeline, for being so tactful in telling this gentleman that he has no business speaking here…I don’t think I could have. Jes Sharai – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, it is Unipolar depression. Second, it is criminal to tell anyone to never take meds beyond six months. Third, antidepressants are not addictive. Fourth, I really don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about. — Peace, love and serenity, Madeleine aka maddog http://forums.msn.com/Disabilities/welcome.htm Mono Polar depression is very quickly amenable to applied psychophysiology interventions, such as biofeedback, accupuncture, integrative therapies, 12 steping in ACA for relationships healing. Basically what is happening is one hemisphere of the brain is going to asleep, sometimes its just different areas of the brain that are going in to delta wave pattern. A form of unconsciousness. She is not in a good relationship with herself, other people and her higher power. She has to learn how to make love (has nothing to do with sex – or only when you do it, it does). Dysfunctional psychology stuff is at hand, and needs to be attended to. But, still basically, with biofeedback a stess inventory is taken, and then EEG training is performed (after mastery of the other 3 primary modalities, temp, gsr, emg) for alpha/theta wave formations with the stress inventory issues. She has a broken heart, grief work, moving the bodymind into greater flexability and life is what sets things straight, mindtalk will only go so far. Bipolar depression is a whole different matter, which I seriously doubt your friend is involved with. If she is on meds, only take them for 6 months top. Work on her suicidal and/or self sabotaging issues. After 6 months the meds are the new addiction, and the MD is the pusher. St. John’s Wort has gotten good reviews from my recovery buddies, can process and still feel feelings – just the rollor coaster ride is smoother. SumBuddie Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions
– HEART SPEAKETH TO HEART "Cor Ad Cor Loquitur" <http://www.sstar.com/jsharai/index.htm Alcoholism, Bipolar and General Mental Health Information for the New Millenium
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A good psychiatrist that is dealing with refractory depression does properly mix medications.
My wife has been on Prosac for about 6 years with apparently little effect — the introduction of Lithium about 16 months ago seemed to produce some good feeling in the first 20 days, nothing more. Someone email me.
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Hi Madeline; THANK you for posting this! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, it is Unipolar depression. Second, it is criminal to tell anyone to never take meds beyond six months. Third, antidepressants are not addictive. Fourth, I really don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about. — Peace, love and serenity, Madeleine aka maddog http://forums.msn.com/Disabilities/welcome.htm Mono Polar depression is very quickly amenable to applied psychophysiology interventions, such as biofeedback, accupuncture, integrative therapies, 12 steping in ACA for relationships healing. Basically what is happening is one hemisphere of the brain is going to asleep, sometimes its just different areas of the brain that are going in to delta wave pattern. A form of unconsciousness. She is not in a good relationship with herself, other people and her higher power. She has to learn how to make love (has nothing to do with sex – or only when you do it, it does). Dysfunctional psychology stuff is at hand, and needs to be attended to. But, still basically, with biofeedback a stess inventory is taken, and then EEG training is performed (after mastery of the other 3 primary modalities, temp, gsr, emg) for alpha/theta wave formations with the stress inventory issues. She has a broken heart, grief work, moving the bodymind into greater flexability and life is what sets things straight, mindtalk will only go so far. Bipolar depression is a whole different matter, which I seriously doubt your friend is involved with. If she is on meds, only take them for 6 months top. Work on her suicidal and/or self sabotaging issues. After 6 months the meds are the new addiction, and the MD is the pusher. St. John’s Wort has gotten good reviews from my recovery buddies, can process and still feel feelings – just the rollor coaster ride is smoother. SumBuddie Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions
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Fourth – you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about, you just think you do. If you had some humility you would have playfully and adverturesomely made an enquiry. But alas all you have is arrogance. Comes from a wounded childhood in denial.
Pot. Kettle. Black. HTH. HAND.
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In what kind of cases are stimulants foreffective for depression?
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Ahhh, a twit without recovery speaks from the intellect. Nothing like an educated asshole to talk to. Well to the points. You call it uni – I call it mono – fine I think we both agree that it is not bipolar depression. Second, take me to court and throw me jail – if you can and if you have the balls. I doubt that you have the ability to see what is in front of you in black and white, the message that taking drugs to deal with emotional issues is an addiction proess, and any therapist who is giving drugs to deal with this emotional process is working the addiction phonomena. So I am not telling anyone never to take meds beyond the 6th month – that is their life and how they run it or not. I am only addressing the phonomena. Each person is different and everybodies recovery is different, and unique. Third, antidepressents are not addictive, but using antidepressents to deal with emotional wounds is an addictive process – just bury the phonomena not in denial but behind marijuana or alcohol – those are antidepressents also (in the short term). And marijuana and alcohol are not addictive – except in an addictive personality. Fourth – you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about, you just think you do. If you had some humility you would have playfully and adverturesomely made an enquiry. But alas all you have is arrogance. Comes from a wounded childhood in denial. Ciao SumBuddie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank you, Madeline, for being so tactful in telling this gentleman that he has no business speaking here…I don’t think I could have. Jes Sharai First, it is Unipolar depression. Second, it is criminal to tell anyone to never take meds beyond six months. Third, antidepressants are not addictive. Fourth, I really don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about. —
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Thank you, Madeline, for being so tactful in telling this gentleman that he has no business speaking here…I don’t think I could have.
He is perfectly welcome to speak his opinion. Jes Sharai First, it is Unipolar depression.
Maybe. Second, it is criminal to tell anyone to never take meds beyond six months.
I’m not sure if its criminal. Probably foolish to not listen to the therapists course of treatment. Third, antidepressants are not addictive.
As we understand "addiction", most antidepressants are not physically addictive. Fourth, I really don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about.
Probably not a clear idea. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Peace, love and serenity, Madeleine aka maddog http://forums.msn.com/Disabilities/welcome.htm Mono Polar depression is very quickly amenable to applied psychophysiology interventions, such as biofeedback, accupuncture, integrative therapies, 12 steping in ACA for relationships healing. Basically what is happening is one hemisphere of the brain is going to asleep, sometimes its just different areas of the brain that are going in to delta wave pattern. A form of unconsciousness. She is not in a good relationship with herself, other people and her higher power. She has to learn how to make love (has nothing to do with sex – or only when you do it, it does). Dysfunctional psychology stuff is at hand, and needs to be attended to. But, still basically, with biofeedback a stess inventory is taken, and then EEG training is performed (after mastery of the other 3 primary modalities, temp, gsr, emg) for alpha/theta wave formations with the stress inventory issues. She has a broken heart, grief work, moving the bodymind into greater flexability and life is what sets things straight, mindtalk will only go so far. Bipolar depression is a whole different matter, which I seriously doubt your friend is involved with. If she is on meds, only take them for 6 months top. Work on her suicidal and/or self sabotaging issues. After 6 months the meds are the new addiction, and the MD is the pusher. St. John’s Wort has gotten good reviews from my recovery buddies, can process and still feel feelings – just the rollor coaster ride is smoother. SumBuddie Someone I know has clinical depression and I was wondering if anyone at any tips that can help her recover. Other than what doctors recommend. She’s 24 years old. Dave Warren DMW Computer Solutions — HEART SPEAKETH TO HEART "Cor Ad Cor Loquitur" <http://www.sstar.com/jsharai/index.htm Alcoholism, Bipolar and General Mental Health Information for the New Millenium
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Has her psych monitored the Lithium levels in her blood and the way she feels upon increasing the dosage, if warranted? I take Lithium also, in conjunction with other meds, and it need monitoring. It’s effect is also very dependent on the levels. It may be she needs an increase in the dosage. She/You should be relating this concern to her doctor, especially when it comes to Lithium. I’m not a doctor, but that’s my 2 cents. Regards and good luck, Jes Sharai — HEART SPEAKETH TO HEART "Cor Ad Cor Loquitur" <http://www.sstar.com/jsharai/index.htm Alcoholism, Bipolar and General Mental Health Information for the New Millenium – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A good psychiatrist that is dealing with refractory depression does properly mix medications. My wife has been on Prosac for about 6 years with apparently little effect — the introduction of Lithium about 16 months ago seemed to produce some good feeling in the first 20 days, nothing more. Someone email me.
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I would add that non-medication "recovery" is also not a time bound process. Alcholics don’t cure their alcholism, for example, and continue in the 12 step program as a life process. I think people don’t want to look at their own issues, and so project onto others: "Aren’t you well yet?" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saying that people who take antidepressants for more than 6 months are addicted or showing addicitive behavior is ridiculous and does a disservice to many severely depressed people who could be helped by medication. Is the diabetic who takes insulin addicted? The person who is prescribed pills for high blood pressure? A woman who takes birth control pills? (Add millions of examples here.) My 2 cents, Renee Not arrogant, just alarmed…. 
Ahhh, a twit without recovery speaks from the intellect. Nothing like an educated asshole to talk to. Well to the points. You call it uni – I call it mono – fine I think we both agree that it is not bipolar depression. Second, take me to court and throw me jail – if you can and if you have the balls. I doubt that you have the ability to see what is in front of you in black and white, the message that taking drugs to deal with emotional issues is an addiction proess, and any therapist who is giving drugs to deal with this emotional process is working the addiction phonomena. So I am not telling anyone never to take meds beyond the 6th month – that is their life and how they run it or not. I am only addressing the phonomena. Each person is different and everybodies recovery is different, and unique. Third, antidepressents are not addictive, but using antidepressents to deal with emotional wounds is an addictive process – just bury the phonomena not in denial but behind marijuana or alcohol – those are antidepressents also (in the short term). And marijuana and alcohol are not addictive – except in an addictive personality. Fourth – you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about, you just think you do. If you had some humility you would have playfully and adverturesomely made an enquiry. But alas all you have is arrogance. Comes from a wounded childhood in denial. Ciao SumBuddie Thank you, Madeline, for being so tactful in telling this gentleman that he has no business speaking here…I don’t think I could have. Jes Sharai First, it is Unipolar depression. Second, it is criminal to tell anyone to never take meds beyond six months. Third, antidepressants are not addictive. Fourth, I really don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about. —
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Renee Not arrogant, just alarmed….
Hi Renee. I am now going to give in to the temptation to make fun of this Alan person…. … Second, take me to court and throw me jail – if you can and if you have the balls. I doubt that you have the ability to see what is in front of you in black and white, the message that taking drugs to deal with emotional issues is an addiction proess, and any therapist who is giving drugs to deal with this emotional process is working the addiction phonomena. So I am not telling anyone never to take meds beyond the 6th month – that is their life and how they run it or not. I am only addressing the phonomena. Each person is different and everybodies recovery is different, and unique.
In psychodynamic jargon, seeing things in "black and white" (that is, viewing everything as an extreme) is considered to be a low-level (primitive or infantile) defense mechanism. It may serve some psychological purpose, but ultimately it is maladaptive. It surprises me that someone who thinks himself so knowledgeable would use so derogatory a catch-phrase to describe himself. I doubt that Alan has the ability to see what is in front of him in shades of grey. -elizabeth
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Saying that people who take antidepressants for more than 6 months are addicted or showing addicitive behavior is ridiculous and does a disservice to many severely depressed people who could be helped by medication. Is the diabetic who takes insulin addicted? The person who is prescribed pills for high blood pressure? A woman who takes birth control pills? (Add millions of examples here.) My 2 cents, Renee Not arrogant, just alarmed…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ahhh, a twit without recovery speaks from the intellect. Nothing like an educated asshole to talk to. Well to the points. You call it uni – I call it mono – fine I think we both agree that it is not bipolar depression. Second, take me to court and throw me jail – if you can and if you have the balls. I doubt that you have the ability to see what is in front of you in black and white, the message that taking drugs to deal with emotional issues is an addiction proess, and any therapist who is giving drugs to deal with this emotional process is working the addiction phonomena. So I am not telling anyone never to take meds beyond the 6th month – that is their life and how they run it or not. I am only addressing the phonomena. Each person is different and everybodies recovery is different, and unique. Third, antidepressents are not addictive, but using antidepressents to deal with emotional wounds is an addictive process – just bury the phonomena not in denial but behind marijuana or alcohol – those are antidepressents also (in the short term). And marijuana and alcohol are not addictive – except in an addictive personality. Fourth – you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about, you just think you do. If you had some humility you would have playfully and adverturesomely made an enquiry. But alas all you have is arrogance. Comes from a wounded childhood in denial. Ciao SumBuddie Thank you, Madeline, for being so tactful in telling this gentleman that he has no business speaking here…I don’t think I could have. Jes Sharai First, it is Unipolar depression. Second, it is criminal to tell anyone to never take meds beyond six months. Third, antidepressants are not addictive. Fourth, I really don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about. —
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Glad you were surprised eliz-a-beth. Soon enough you will see that it was you who surpirses you from what you think I think. When in fact you know nothing of what I think. But you think that you do. Keep working on it – this is just a step down from thinking you know what is in God’s mind. SumBuddie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Renee Not arrogant, just alarmed…. Hi Renee. I am now going to give in to the temptation to make fun of this Alan person…. … Second, take me to court and throw me jail – if you can and if you have the balls. I doubt that you have the ability to see what is in front of you in black and white, the message that taking drugs to deal with emotional issues is an addiction proess, and any therapist who is giving drugs to deal with this emotional process is working the addiction phonomena. So I am not telling anyone never to take meds beyond the 6th month – that is their life and how they run it or not. I am only addressing the phonomena. Each person is different and everybodies recovery is different, and unique. In psychodynamic jargon, seeing things in "black and white" (that is, viewing everything as an extreme) is considered to be a low-level (primitive or infantile) defense mechanism. It may serve some psychological purpose, but ultimately it is maladaptive. It surprises me that someone who thinks himself so knowledgeable would use so derogatory a catch-phrase to describe himself. I doubt that Alan has the ability to see what is in front of him in shades of grey. -elizabeth
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A good psychiatrist that is dealing with refractory depression does properly mix medications. My wife has been on Prosac for about 6 years with apparently little effect — the introduction of Lithium about 16 months ago seemed to produce some good feeling in the first 20 days, nothing more. Someone email me. E-mail about what? Get her off the Prozac: it is not a cure-all. Lithium is genreally used in bi-polar depression. There are so many other drugs to try. Zoloft works for me. Get off the prozac slowly. When my husband came off of his, he becasme rather violent, mood wise. Ann
A comment: Adequate treatment is dependent on adequate diagnosis which seems to lacking in this case.
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A good psychiatrist that is dealing with refractory depression does properly mix medications. My wife has been on Prosac for about 6 years with apparently little effect — the introduction of Lithium about 16 months ago seemed to produce some good feeling in the first 20 days, nothing more. Someone email me.
E-mail about what? Get her off the Prozac: it is not a cure-all. Lithium is genreally used in bi-polar depression. There are so many other drugs to try. Zoloft works for me. Get off the prozac slowly. When my husband came off of his, he becasme rather violent, mood wise. Ann
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Relative to the topic of depression – this comes in two forms.
Eh? Most people have allowance for more than two forms of depression and they tend to use loose categories that relate to each other in different ways, like: depression, dysthymia, cyclothemia; unipolar, bipolar – several types of those; typical, atypical; endogenous, psychotic, neurotic, exogenous, co-morbid. And that’s just for starters. Form one is organic, dietary if you will – this type of depression requires medication and life style changes on an organic level.
Dietary? What about someone who bumps their head and ends up depressed? and have you heard of genetics? it’s a new field this century. And there is all this other new stuff too – even new theories of emotions, sensation, perception, cognition, internal behavioural mechanisms, developmental processes, temperament and personality. It goes on and on – an evergrowing mandala of psyche. Makes the symbol of the organic expand into something worthy of the life it represents. Form two and this is the biggest and most prevelent form of depression – is a broken heart that is in denial.
Heartbreak? and denial? I don’t think that is what physicians and psychologists are referring to when they diagnose depression. Correct me if I’m wrong. That is why therapy in the past as not been useful to you. And you are still dependent on drugs today as we speak ?
Do you know why depressives take anti-depressant medications? Why physicians give them such horrid chemicals? It is because without them twice as many of us die of suicide or self-neglect. And you tell us we need to get on some newager’s table for energybody work? That may be good for heartbreak and denial in the newage crowd but it won’t do much for clinical depression. Physicians do not give us anti-depressants for heartbreak and denial. And of those of us on prophylactic therapy – we are not dependent on the drugs for denying a broken heart – we are dependent on the drugs to improve our chances of survival. There are plenty of newsgroups where you can write all about heartbreak and denial and about doing integrative bodywork and the latest pop psych book from Bradshaw without interfering with clinically depressed people. We really don’t like taking the pills and we don’t need people laying trips on us about them – we are struggling for our lives here – without meds 30% of us won’t make it – with the best medical and psychological treatment we can get we can reduce that by half – only half. And you want to convince us to give up that chance in exchange for some rubby-dub therapy? Think about what it is you are trying to do. —
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Renee dear one – if you are not certain what I am saying – then there is no way you can be certain of what you are in reply to – or in sharing your thoughts – that I have not asked you for. So, if you are not certain – then a reasonable person would make enquiries to make certain what the topic or the discussion point it. Relative to the topic of depression – this comes in two forms. Form one is organic, dietary if you will – this type of depression requires medication and life style changes on an organic level. Form two and this is the biggest and most prevelent form of depression – is a broken heart that is in denial. Most cases of light or moderate depression is from people who are intelligent, perceptive and sensitive – and they are just waking up to how fucked up the world is – and if you were in your right mind you would be depressed also. In form two, biofeedback, accupuncture, applied psychophysiology interventions that go into to heal the broken heart of the grief work – is what is successful. Mindtalk can only go so far. After all it is not mindtalk that raped or abused a child – it was negatively applied psychophysiology interventions that did it. If you can find a Rosenberg and Rand Trained Integrative Body Psychotherapist, get on the table, and start breathing your charge up – guaranteed you will deal with your latent emotional issues and untie them out of your psychophysiology thus mitigating any obsessive compulsive issues you have. Such as the shoulds, and beliefs, judgements and other neurotic structures you still have to deal with. You dont notice this stuff as the therapists you have still cooperate with your disease – as they are in the disease still. Like I said mindtalk only goes so far. That is why therapy in the past as not been useful to you. And you are still dependent on drugs today as we speak ? Keep working on waking up dear. Its on the other side of the broken heart. And it hurts like hell to heal that up. One of these days you will come to notice that I am well aware that some forms of psychological distress are organic in nature. I don’t know if you have read any of John Bradshaws work, but if anybody can do the impossible and put dysfunctional psychology and the addictive personality into one book he did it with "Shame – untie the bind you are in" Required reading if you are going into clinical work, as dysfunctional psychology is 90% of the all that you will be dealing with in your clients and in your own life. SumBuddie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Alan, I’m not quite certain what you are saying, but here are my thoughts….. Yes, psychotherapy is useful, but it does not alleviate ALL symptoms in ALL people by itself. Schizophrenics and bipolars, for example, usually need medication to fully "get better". Some people with Major Depression need antidepressants to function, no matter how much therapy they have. This suggests that in some cases, problems like this are a result of a chemical imbalance. Personally, I’ve had A LOT of therapy, and NONE of it has helped 1/100th as much as Prozac and Wellbutrin. I’m not saying that therapy has not given me insight, or that I’ve given up on therapy. I’m a year away from getting a master’s degree in clinical psychology, so I believe in its value. I have an appointment with a new therapist next week, even… My point is, everyone’s different, and I don’t think you should pass judgement by calling someone an "addict" if they choose to take medication like antidepressants. You may disagree, but it is generally accepted that SOME (not all) psychological problems are biological in nature. Perhaps your definition of "addiction" is different from mine (and, I suspect, most people’s). Okie dokie? :) Renee Emotional issues Renee are not exactly like a broken bone, isle of langerhans damage, or even mad cow disease to the brain – which can be seen as a big huge hormonal gland. Well when an organic is broken – and drugs are needed – by all means take em. When an emotional issue is at hand, some times drugs are needed as the issue is over the top for that person. And then work is needed to open the person, to contain the emotional issues, and resolve them. Other wise the cure is continuous drug dependency. And with the addictive personality being firm ware wired into the human psychophysiology, that part of the phonomena must be attended to. Okey doaky I cure the client from divorce in an addictive relationship – but they are a heroin addict now. Or a prozak addict. Or a therapist addict, which all the above feeds the dependency issues of the therapist who wants to cope into their own addiction issues. This is how the Beast 666 goes to the Armageddon. Also, with addicts, in white knuckle recovery – when they do the emotional work they can relax in their recovery as the grief work, the emotional wounds they are medicating in their own way is no longer there. So the addiction drive is no longer as compulsively laying the peddle to the metal. But in all, as long as one is in the body, with its psychophysiology and how a person is abused into that phonomena – healing or consciousness of the phonomena is a life long process. Stimulates one to be more aware or having more sail to the wind in life. SumBuddie
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Dear Alan, I’m not quite certain what you are saying, but here are my thoughts….. Yes, psychotherapy is useful, but it does not alleviate ALL symptoms in ALL people by itself. Schizophrenics and bipolars, for example, usually need medication to fully "get better". Some people with Major Depression need antidepressants to function, no matter how much therapy they have. This suggests that in some cases, problems like this are a result of a chemical imbalance. Personally, I’ve had A LOT of therapy, and NONE of it has helped 1/100th as much as Prozac and Wellbutrin. I’m not saying that therapy has not given me insight, or that I’ve given up on therapy. I’m a year away from getting a master’s degree in clinical psychology, so I believe in its value. I have an appointment with a new therapist next week, even… My point is, everyone’s different, and I don’t think you should pass judgement by calling someone an "addict" if they choose to take medication like antidepressants. You may disagree, but it is generally accepted that SOME (not all) psychological problems are biological in nature. Perhaps your definition of "addiction" is different from mine (and, I suspect, most people’s). Okie dokie? :) Renee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Emotional issues Renee are not exactly like a broken bone, isle of langerhans damage, or even mad cow disease to the brain – which can be seen as a big huge hormonal gland. Well when an organic is broken – and drugs are needed – by all means take em. When an emotional issue is at hand, some times drugs are needed as the issue is over the top for that person. And then work is needed to open the person, to contain the emotional issues, and resolve them. Other wise the cure is continuous drug dependency. And with the addictive personality being firm ware wired into the human psychophysiology, that part of the phonomena must be attended to. Okey doaky I cure the client from divorce in an addictive relationship – but they are a heroin addict now. Or a prozak addict. Or a therapist addict, which all the above feeds the dependency issues of the therapist who wants to cope into their own addiction issues. This is how the Beast 666 goes to the Armageddon. Also, with addicts, in white knuckle recovery – when they do the emotional work they can relax in their recovery as the grief work, the emotional wounds they are medicating in their own way is no longer there. So the addiction drive is no longer as compulsively laying the peddle to the metal. But in all, as long as one is in the body, with its psychophysiology and how a person is abused into that phonomena – healing or consciousness of the phonomena is a life long process. Stimulates one to be more aware or having more sail to the wind in life. SumBuddie
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Emotional issues Renee are not exactly like a broken bone, isle of langerhans damage, or even mad cow disease to the brain – which can be seen as a big huge hormonal gland. Well when an organic is broken – and drugs are needed – by all means take em. When an emotional issue is at hand, some times drugs are needed as the issue is over the top for that person. And then work is needed to open the person, to contain the emotional issues, and resolve them. Other wise the cure is continuous drug dependency. And with the addictive personality being firm ware wired into the human psychophysiology, that part of the phonomena must be attended to. Okey doaky I cure the client from divorce in an addictive relationship – but they are a heroin addict now. Or a prozak addict. Or a therapist addict, which all the above feeds the dependency issues of the therapist who wants to cope into their own addiction issues. This is how the Beast 666 goes to the Armageddon. Also, with addicts, in white knuckle recovery – when they do the emotional work they can relax in their recovery as the grief work, the emotional wounds they are medicating in their own way is no longer there. So the addiction drive is no longer as compulsively laying the peddle to the metal. But in all, as long as one is in the body, with its psychophysiology and how a person is abused into that phonomena – healing or consciousness of the phonomena is a life long process. Stimulates one to be more aware or having more sail to the wind in life. SumBuddie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would add that non-medication "recovery" is also not a time bound process. Alcholics don’t cure their alcholism, for example, and continue in the 12 step program as a life process. I think people don’t want to look at their own issues, and so project onto others: "Aren’t you well yet?" Saying that people who take antidepressants for more than 6 months are addicted or showing addicitive behavior is ridiculous and does a disservice to many severely depressed people who could be helped by medication. Is the diabetic who takes insulin addicted? The person who is prescribed pills for high blood pressure? A woman who takes birth control pills? (Add millions of examples here.) My 2 cents, Renee Not arrogant, just alarmed…. Ahhh, a twit without recovery speaks from the intellect. Nothing like an educated asshole to talk to. Well to the points. You call it uni – I call it mono – fine I think we both agree that it is not bipolar depression. Second, take me to court and throw me jail – if you can and if you have the balls. I doubt that you have the ability to see what is in front of you in black and white, the message that taking drugs to deal with emotional issues is an addiction proess, and any therapist who is giving drugs to deal with this emotional process is working the addiction phonomena. So I am not telling anyone never to take meds beyond the 6th month – that is their life and how they run it or not. I am only addressing the phonomena. Each person is different and everybodies recovery is different, and unique. Third, antidepressents are not addictive, but using antidepressents to deal with emotional wounds is an addictive process – just bury the phonomena not in denial but behind marijuana or alcohol – those are antidepressents also (in the short term). And marijuana and alcohol are not addictive – except in an addictive personality. Fourth – you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about, you just think you do. If you had some humility you would have playfully and adverturesomely made an enquiry. But alas all you have is arrogance. Comes from a wounded childhood in denial. Ciao SumBuddie Thank you, Madeline, for being so tactful in telling this gentleman that he has no business speaking here…I don’t think I could have. Jes Sharai First, it is Unipolar depression. Second, it is criminal to tell anyone to never take meds beyond six months. Third, antidepressants are not addictive. Fourth, I really don’t think you have any idea what you are talking about. — — # Netscape folder cache
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I’ve read a few posts on this NG and most don’t seem to be about depression at all. I have suffered with depression since my child-hood, I am only 24 years old and I have been unable to work for just over a year. Any tips to relieve depression ?
More than anything else, this is a community of depressed individuals. Like any gathering of individuals, there will be many separate conversations about different topics going on at the same time. I’ve been depressed as long as I can remember; certainly I was severely depressed by age 6. I’m 38. Still working, but just barely managing to do it. Tips? Well, that’ll vary from individual to individual. Are you seeking any form of therapy or treatment at present? There are things you can do to somewhat lessen the likelihood of a crash, but they’re not generally helpful in the middle of a major depressive episode. It really depends on the severity of your symptoms at the time. Welcome to the group. Geni
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I’ve read a few posts on this NG and most don’t seem to be about depression at all. I have suffered with depression since my child-hood, I am only 24 years old and I have been unable to work for just over a year. Any tips to relieve depression ?
Reading and posting to ASD has helped me to learn a lot about myself, and that has helped a lot in general…. Weclome, best of luck to you. Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man *and* The Great Defender of the Self Please e-mail me a copy of your response if you can so I don’t miss it.
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nope. not everything here is about depression, although you could say that it *all* is, cuz we’re all depressed people. it’s just a place to hang out.
From a newbie’s point of view, this was very well put, very real. I have suffered with depression since my child-hood, I am only 24 years old and I have been unable to work for just over a year. Any tips to relieve depression ?
Meds and therapy help me, and just owning the depression and my responsibility in it, without self-blaming (easier said than done at times). Sometimes I try to just be the "noticer," and step outside myself & watch from a narrator’s standpoint. I’ve also found a field I’m pursuing a Master’s Degree in, Art Therapy. It keeps me on my Path of personal and spiritual growth, helps keep me real, allows me to process my own gar-bage, and help others as I heal myself. it’s slow going, but worth the effort. And the folks I work with, in prison, have much greater issues than I. There, but for the grace of God, go I… Good luck to you! Aware1 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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I’ve read a few posts on this NG and most don’t seem to be about depression at all.
nope. not everything here is about depression, although you could say that it *all* is, cuz we’re all depressed people. it’s just a place to hang out. I have suffered with depression since my child-hood, I am only 24 years old and I have been unable to work for just over a year. Any tips to relieve depression ?
ha. i wish. ect worked a little bit for me. other people’ll tell you other stuff. hi, anyway anna xxx
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I am the fear that makes you cry I am the shiver down your spine I am the hurt inside that you feel I am the bad thoughts that seem so real I make you cry, I make you sad I make you scream, and make you mad I confuse you to all extreme I am so real, this is not a dream I can work myself into your brain Next thing you know you’re going insane You loath me, you hate me, you fear me Before you know it I’m all you see What happened to you, only I know You try to hide me, scared I will show Scared of people knowing I’m here Afraid everyone will think you’re weird Soon I am your minds obsession You know me well, I am depression
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I guess I get depressed once a month, like the period you know. Sometimes I want to leave all behind and just walk around like a zombie, without past, without future. But my supermom, superwoman and superwife instinct stop me from doing it. I have change. I move here eight months ago. I like my work (of course I wish a make more $$$), but is easy going, I have a great boss (not perfect), but great! But I have change, every year on new year’s eve (maybe for the last 8-10 years), I have notice that I have turned on a more pesimistic person, more angry, less sweet, I laugh less. This year my only good reasons to laugh had been my son. I think he is the reason why I am still here, trying to do my best. But I am aware that the quality of my self is deteriorating more and more with time. I am like a wine, when exposed to the sun gets bitter and sour like vinegar. I am not pure anymore, I am not good anymore. I do not like what I have become. But I am to coward to take all this one step further. It hurts so much, so much it hurts to go on, day after day. Got to go, my son needs me. But one day he will not need me anymore, then what? That was good!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess I get depressed once a month, like the period you know. Sometimes I want to leave all behind and just walk around like a zombie, without past, without future. But my supermom, superwoman and superwife instinct stop me from doing it. I have change. I move here eight months ago. I like my work (of course I wish a make more $$$), but is easy going, I have a great boss (not perfect), but great! But I have change, every year on new year’s eve (maybe for the last 8-10 years), I have notice that I have turned on a more pesimistic person, more angry, less sweet, I laugh less. This year my only good reasons to laugh had been my son. I think he is the reason why I am still here, trying to do my best. But I am aware that the quality of my self is deteriorating more and more with time. I am like a wine, when exposed to the sun gets bitter and sour like vinegar. I am not pure anymore, I am not good anymore. I do not like what I have become. But I am to coward to take all this one step further. It hurts so much, so much it hurts to go on, day after day. Got to go, my son needs me. But one day he will not need me anymore, then what? That was good!
Hi, thanks for sharing with us. Have you talked to your doctor about this? He/she will understand and give you ways to help yourself. Please don’t feel you’re alone. Lots of people here go through the same horrible thing. Most people in the world have no idea what terrible pain you are experiencing. Lots of people here understand and can give you support. Please keep posting, Warm wishes to you and your son, *rossco*
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Yes, I know what you mean. But before was like moody behavior and overreaction for one or 2 days. Now gets really bad can las to a week. Every movie makes me cry, even disney movies, i feel I do not worth a pennie, I feel self pitty. I used to be so much happier? What I do is try to keep myself busy and my excuse is do things with my son. That helps. Thanks for looking at my message. Take care.
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guess I get depressed once a month, like the period you know.
I can relate, except for today, my depression speaks once a month. Mine coincides with my period which is somewhat predictable. Kind of nice—-I can warn people. -Melia Melia Karen C. Benjamin, MSW -I am normally numb but somehow get through the days one day at a time! -Take the last NUMB out of addy to e-mail me http://hometown.aol.com/normalnumb/numb1.html
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hello.. everyone this is my first time posting on this news group…. I am here because I have this ( larger than life) pain in my heart, that won’t go away. I take alot of prescribed meds. to make me better, but the pain is still there. On top of all of this my wife who should be my best friend & my greatest support, is not…. she doesn’t understand. I feel very much like she would be better off with out me. I only wish I had the courage to end my life…. I just wish I could cry and get some of this pain out of my heart,,,, Thanks for lesining… stephen
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Hi Stephen. I’m new to the newsgroup also. Your post touched me, as my girlfriend/domestic partner of 4 years also doesn’t understand. She thinks it is my attitude, and that I should be able to just snap out of it, or if I would just think positive thoughts, life would become rosey. Sadly, she used to be an RN, so you would think she would understand mental illness and what causes it. Maybe I need to be comatose and attached to monitors for her to understand my situation, her specialty was Critical Care nursing. I’ve been struggling with major depression most of my life, since my teens. Lately, it has grown into anxiety and suicidal thoughts, so I decided to seek professional help. I’m taking Zoloft now, so hopefully it will help. Just remember this – it takes more courage to fight for your life than to take it. It’s also okay to cry. I was raised to believe that men don’t cry. Men don’t share their feelings or express them. We are supposed to keep them bottled up inside. They say that more women than men suffer from depression, but I’m not sure that is true. I think women are simply better at getting treatment for it. Afterall, most violent crimes are committed by men, not women, so I think that says something. Hang in there. //Todd// — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello.. everyone this is my first time posting on this news group…. I am here because I have this ( larger than life) pain in my heart, that won’t go away. I take alot of prescribed meds. to make me better, but the pain is still there. On top of all of this my wife who should be my best friend & my greatest support, is not…. she doesn’t understand. I feel very much like she would be better off with out me. I only wish I had the courage to end my life…. I just wish I could cry and get some of this pain out of my heart,,,, Thanks for lesining… stephen
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know what you mean. A lot of people don’t get it. They have a tendency to discount what you are saying. It reminds me of that commercial they had on t.V. for awhile where this guy is sitting on his bed just staring straight ahead and his mother is yelling at him about getting a job, etc. I mean she’s really yelling and all he can do is just stare straight ahead. He is so depressed that he can’t acknowledge or respond. He barely even hears her if he hears her. I know what that feels like. Your just empty. Wishing, hoping and praying is gone. There seems to be no way out. There is though. I know there is. I just haven’t found it yet. Aida
Your simile was perfect, that commercial was perfect. There is a way out, I hope we find it together, thanks…. fucilli, who tonite feels like the fucilli noodle itself, long and looped, twisted and hollow
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I know what you mean. A lot of people don’t get it. They have a tendency to discount what you are saying. It reminds me of that commercial they had on t.V. for awhile where this guy is sitting on his bed just staring straight ahead and his mother is yelling at him about getting a job, etc. I mean she’s really yelling and all he can do is just stare straight ahead. He is so depressed that he can’t acknowledge or respond. He barely even hears her if he hears her. I know what that feels like. Your just empty. Wishing, hoping and praying is gone. There seems to be no way out. There is though. I know there is. I just haven’t found it yet. Aida – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – news group…. I am here because I have this ( larger than life) pain in my heart, that won’t go away. I have the same hole…. On top of all of this my wife who should be my best friend & my greatest support, is not…. she doesn’t understand. One of the hardest and most hurtful things for me during this depression (last 3-4 years) is that people who haven’t been there don’t get it….. and the most hurtful thing I think I hear is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" "kick yourself in the ass and get going" Thanks for sharing – it truly helps people like me who feel ‘I’m the only one who’…. to know I’m not the only one who… Fucilli
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news group…. I am here because I have this ( larger than life) pain in my heart, that won’t go away.
I have the same hole…. On top of all of this my wife who should be my best friend & my greatest support, is not…. she doesn’t understand.
One of the hardest and most hurtful things for me during this depression (last 3-4 years) is that people who haven’t been there don’t get it….. and the most hurtful thing I think I hear is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" "kick yourself in the ass and get going" Thanks for sharing – it truly helps people like me who feel ‘I’m the only one who’…. to know I’m not the only one who… Fucilli
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My brother is in a hospital now and wanted to thank you for the help. I did not loss my brother. THANK YOU, Brother of depressed.
Does this mean that *John* is in the hospital? I hope he’s doing better soon, and glad that you did not lose him. Please let him know that we care and would like to know how he’s doing. Take care, Mary
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My brother is in a hospital now and wanted to thank you for the help. I did not loss my brother. THANK YOU, Brother of depressed.
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I need to just talk. Out loud. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. Does anyone else who’s clinically depressed feel this way? Not just emotionally down, but deadened. Like you’re far away, and looking at yourself. Is this a permanent thing? Is this a form of brain damage, or brain dysfunction?
Yes. All the time. So, you’re not alone in this. No energy. I hope it’s not permanent. Who knows? I was forcibly hospitalized and given lithium. I have no idea. Maybe it *is* a form of damage.
I also hope it’s not permanent. -c — Remove one zero to email
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Give it time–those feeling will go away…I don’t know when, but the last 3 doctors I’ve had told me that…and ya’ know pdocs know what they’re talking about… 
Neecie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry for the pretentious title. Couldn’t think of a better one. :) I’m depressed. The odd thing is that I’m not sad, nor angry, nor despairing. I just have no energy, limited appetite, no sex drive, early morning awakenings, and a sense of being really far away from myself. It sounds like a form of brain damage more than it does an emotional thing. So… options. Do I want to go through life like this, an invalid, someone who is, at present, utterly dependent on my parents for support, food, shelter, and care? So… in the next two months, I will either be seeing the depression lift, or I’ll be seeing whether or not some antidepressant works. — Jack Before you buy.
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Dear Jack Yes Its 6.16am can’t sleep – I have to be up with my baby now all day – and I’m dead most of the time inside. These help groups online are the only things that help Alone alone alone. Louise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to just talk. Out loud. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. Does anyone else who’s clinically depressed feel this way? Not just emotionally down, but deadened. Like you’re far away, and looking at yourself. Is this a permanent thing? Is this a form of brain damage, or brain dysfunction? No energy. I hope it’s not permanent. Who knows? I was forcibly hospitalized and given lithium. I have no idea. Maybe it *is* a form of damage. — Jack Before you buy.
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Dear Jack I’m with you. The question really is why?
Maybe one day someone will find out. :) None of us can answer it – we can only support one another.
Please e-mail me. I’m feeling pretty low too. :( Early morning awakenings I could cope with – if I was able to get to sleep in the first place – its 2.45am here – not tired never am.
That sucks. I also have sleeping pills – don’t work.
That doubly sucks. Can you sleep in during the day? Or do you have to get up and do things? Dear Jack – please email me with any thoughts – we need each other to cope. Louise
– Jack Before you buy.
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I need to just talk. Out loud. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. Does anyone else who’s clinically depressed feel this way? Not just emotionally down, but deadened. Like you’re far away, and looking at yourself. Is this a permanent thing? Is this a form of brain damage, or brain dysfunction? No energy. I hope it’s not permanent. Who knows? I was forcibly hospitalized and given lithium. I have no idea. Maybe it *is* a form of damage. — Jack Before you buy.
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Dear Jack I’m with you. The question really is why? None of us can answer it – we can only support one another. Early morning awakenings I could cope with – if I was able to get to sleep in the first place – its 2.45am here – not tired never am. I also have sleeping pills – don’t work. Dear Jack – please email me with any thoughts – we need each other to cope. Louise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry for the pretentious title. Couldn’t think of a better one. :) I’m depressed. The odd thing is that I’m not sad, nor angry, nor despairing. I just have no energy, limited appetite, no sex drive, early morning awakenings, and a sense of being really far away from myself. It sounds like a form of brain damage more than it does an emotional thing. So… options. Do I want to go through life like this, an invalid, someone who is, at present, utterly dependent on my parents for support, food, shelter, and care? So… in the next two months, I will either be seeing the depression lift, or I’ll be seeing whether or not some antidepressant works. — Jack Before you buy.
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Sorry for the pretentious title. Couldn’t think of a better one. :) I’m depressed. The odd thing is that I’m not sad, nor angry, nor despairing. I just have no energy, limited appetite, no sex drive, early morning awakenings, and a sense of being really far away from myself. It sounds like a form of brain damage more than it does an emotional thing. So… options. Do I want to go through life like this, an invalid, someone who is, at present, utterly dependent on my parents for support, food, shelter, and care? So… in the next two months, I will either be seeing the depression lift, or I’ll be seeing whether or not some antidepressant works. — Jack Before you buy.
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Nah, its not brain damage. Its just a transition period or a reaction.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need to just talk. Out loud. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. I feel deadened. Does anyone else who’s clinically depressed feel this way? Not just emotionally down, but deadened. Like you’re far away, and looking at yourself. Is this a permanent thing? Is this a form of brain damage, or brain dysfunction? No energy. I hope it’s not permanent. Who knows? I was forcibly hospitalized and given lithium. I have no idea. Maybe it *is* a form of damage. — Jack Before you buy.
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I don’t know why, but for the past few days, I’ve been feeling depressed. I exercised today and I still feel depressed; usually exercising makes me feel better, but it didn’t this time.
Oh, sometimes things we count on just stop working, can be for all sorts of reasons. I take Zoloft for depression and OCD and Zyprexa for schizoaffective disorder. I was at 100 mgs. of Zoloft, but my psychiatrist was concerned with my short-term memory, so she reduced me to 75 mgs. of Zoloft, which I take at night, along with the Zyprexa and vitamin E for eye twitching. I appreciate any suggestions and ideas.
Keep exercising anyway. Do what you can without expectation, expectation can bring disappointment, disillusion.
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I don’t know why, but for the past few days, I’ve been feeling depressed. I exercised today and I still feel depressed; usually exercising makes me feel better, but it didn’t this time. I take Zoloft for depression and OCD and Zyprexa for schizoaffective disorder. I was at 100 mgs. of Zoloft, but my psychiatrist was concerned with my short-term memory, so she reduced me to 75 mgs. of Zoloft, which I take at night, along with the Zyprexa and vitamin E for eye twitching. I appreciate any suggestions and ideas. Christine
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Depression has ruined and destroyed my whole life! What in Hell can I do to get my life back?
Puddy, I think it would help if you could see life as an ongoing journey, a process of growing. Many of us here benefit from talking to others who have been there; some (including me) are in therapy and/or on medication. Depression doesn’t have to ruin your life. This group is about surviving it. If you want to tell us more about what’s going on with you, maybe we can help. Holly
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Depression has ruined and destroyed my whole life! What in Hell can I do to get my life back?
You tried any therapy or medication yet?? Sincerely Stewart — The Metaphor Man *and* The Great Defender of the Self (remove the SPAMBLOCK) Please send me an e-mail copy of your posted response.
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Depression has ruined and destroyed my whole life! What in Hell can I do to get my life back?
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My name is Matt and I am wondering about myself because I idealise suicide from time to time.
That’s no fun, maybe fascinating but not fun. Have no self-steam, self-esteem, or friends (people I trust).
Self-steam, self-esteem, that is good. Never heard that before. Trust. You don’t trust anyone else? Trust is tricky. I have sold off almost everything I own and can’t seem to work. I become disassociative from my tasks or just down right honory.
Told a doctor all this? A friend of mine who through a series of events became schitzo active came to me for a place to stay saying she loved me and wanted me but was inconsistent in her plans and was lying.
Well, now maybe you can trust her to be inconsistent and untruthful, that’s a kind of trust. Tricky, eh? I told her it would be better for me since I couldn’t afford to feed her, if she went somewhere else. I know
Happens I suppose. People need to be able to feed each other. I did the right thing for me but she was important to me and I’m really down. She left to get a haircut yesterday and didn’t come back. Taking lithium and drinking with one kidney is deadly and I explained that to her and she split.
See how it goes. You know you did the right thing so far, that is good. Just see how it goes. Lithium, that’s for bipolar, they get manic, schizo is different, both can be psychotic, heavy stuff. I fear there’s a funeral coming up.
Whose?
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My name is Matt and I am wondering about myself because I idealise suicide from time to time. Have no self-steam, self-esteem, or friends (people I trust). I have sold off almost everything I own and can’t seem to work. I become disassociative from my tasks or just down right honory. A friend of mine who through a series of events became schitzo active came to me for a place to stay saying she loved me and wanted me but was inconsistent in her plans and was lying. I told her it would be better for me since I couldn’t afford to feed her, if she went somewhere else. I know I did the right thing for me but she was important to me and I’m really down. She left to get a haircut yesterday and didn’t come back. Taking lithium and drinking with one kidney is deadly and I explained that to her and she split. I fear there’s a funeral coming up. Sincerely. Matt P.S. Input requested and appreciated
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No, it’s not. It’s tragic. I wish there were something to be done.
Yeah. I’m sick of the treatment. I want a legal euphoriant. Something just to make life more bearable. "There is no escaping here" – Julliette Lewis as Mallory Knox in Natural Born Killers. I never did make it through the whole movie. And then, I saw it again in a video store even longer than the original, "The Director’s Cut". I simply wanted Woody Harrelson to pour me a drink!
Oh, he is turning out to be a much better actor than that. And Stone, a much better director than his earlier work would show. The style is postmodern, many people do not like the film and lose the narrative. Too bad. Yes, but is there really wisdom to being incarcerated in a lifetime of depression.
No, only in the sense of no escape. Not just the understanding but the sense of the state of no escape, not entirely linguistic. I’m on the verge of quitting. I can’t really imagine what’s worse: going to a job which makes me more depressed and miserable or not having a job
That is a tough choice, alienating work or no work. and thereby not having the ability to support myself. As for finding a job I like: hahahahaha, I don’t even like getting out of bed in the morning.
Another good movie, Drugstore Cowboy, Matt Dillon plays a hype that quits the scene. There is a monologue with a line about understanding how hard it is to tie your shoes. Nice ‘talking’ with you again Bev. It’s been a long time. Amazing that after two years, many of us are still here.
Yeah, the unlucky 15%, damned to death.
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It’s funny that no matter how bad you feel, you can always wake up one morning and feel even worse. yeah, but it goes the other way too, one morning better than the last, but there’s always the even worse and not necessarily an even better. It isn’t really funny is it?
No, it’s not. It’s tragic. I wish there were something to be done. "There is no escaping here" – Julliette Lewis as Mallory Knox in Natural Born Killers.
I never did make it through the whole movie. And then, I saw it again in a video store even longer than the original, "The Director’s Cut". I simply wanted Woody Harrelson to pour me a drink! The Wisdom of No Escape – Pema Chodron, it’s a book.
Yes, but is there really wisdom to being incarcerated in a lifetime of depression. Despite how badly I feel, it’s *still* hard to give up everything I have.
It’s already obvious to me that being miserable is far better than being miserable and destitute. I dn’t know what to do. Help….. What is happening that makes you fear being destitute?
Well, the fact of the matter is I’m functional enough to pretend to work. I work as an engineer so I get paid OK. BUT, I don’t really do anything, I hate my job, my boss can’t manage, and I don’t like the people I work with. This is my third job in two years since I’m trying to find a job where I like to go. I figure if my personal life sucks, then the least I could do is try to find something tolerable to do for 8-9 hours a day. I’m on the verge of quitting. I can’t really imagine what’s worse: going to a job which makes me more depressed and miserable or not having a job and thereby not having the ability to support myself. As for finding a job I like: hahahahaha, I don’t even like getting out of bed in the morning. Nice ‘talking’ with you again Bev. It’s been a long time. Amazing that after two years, many of us are still here. love and hugs, db — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
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what’s the problem? I’m depressed.
sux donnit? vacant, oh so pretty vacant, Sex Pistols. I’m commiserating, is that it? something like that. It’s funny that no matter how bad you feel, you can always wake up one morning and feel even worse.
yeah, but it goes the other way too, one morning better than the last, but there’s always the even worse and not necessarily an even better. It isn’t really funny is it? I thought I was doing an OK job of getting by in life. Sure, I feel like shit all the time and nothing ever makes me feel good or even smile. But, I was surviving.
doing time Now, I simply have to get away. Unfortunately, wherever I go, there I am. There is no escape.
"There is no escaping here" – Julliette Lewis as Mallory Knox in Natural Born Killers. The Wisdom of No Escape – Pema Chodron, it’s a book. Despite how badly I feel, it’s *still* hard to give up everything I have. It’s already obvious to me that being miserable is far better than being miserable and destitute. I dn’t know what to do. Help…..
What is happening that makes you fear being destitute? bev
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Yes, it’s an odd title to a post reiterating the problems with which we try to live. Sometimes, however, the word takes on a more profound meaning. I’ve been depressed for as long as I can remember now. (At least 15 of the last 20 years.) I’ve done all the drugs, therapy, copper bracelets and meditation. None have been the least bit effective. So what’s the problem? I’m depressed. It’s funny that no matter how bad you feel, you can always wake up one morning and feel even worse. I thought I was doing an OK job of getting by in life. Sure, I feel like shit all the time and nothing ever makes me feel good or even smile. But, I was surviving. Now, I simply have to get away. Unfortunately, wherever I go, there I am. There is no escape. Despite how badly I feel, it’s *still* hard to give up everything I have. It’s already obvious to me that being miserable is far better than being miserable and destitute. I dn’t know what to do. Help….. db — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
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Kea: You might have something else besides normal depression. I have seasonal affective disorder as well as chronic depression, and I go through the same thing every year. Shortly before the holidays, my energy level drops, I can’t wake up or get out of bed when I do, my concentration goes to hell, and my self-esteem plummets. It lasts from November through March where I live, and I start to feel normal again sometime near Mid-April. This year we are trying some things differently – like a tanning salon and bright lights capped of with a short vacation in Mexico to see if it helps. There are treatments available, and eventually one of them will work for you. I know how hard it is while you are going through this, but eventually it will get better. In the meantime, here are some cyberhugs (not as good as the real thing, but they still let you know somebody cares). Jeff aka mcavity "I was born old and I haven’t aged well" Jeff Day "We will never surrender" Winston Churchill
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m alone right now and feel the need to put my feelings into words to others that may know how I feel, especially around this time of the year. When I see happy couples and families together all the feelings of aloneness and depression wash over me. I have a problem with extreme shyness and social phobia too so the Holiday season is especially hard to get through especially since I have no social network around me. My self-esteem is really low too. I feel so empty and wonder why I choose to go on. I can’t even remember a time when I felt happy and content. I’ve spent a lifetime being alone and leading an empty life. I’ve tried all the anti-depressants and they haven’t worked. I just feel so worthless and that who I am is never good enough. I feel like I’ve run out of answers.
Hi kea, Welcome to ASD. I don’t know if you’ll find any answers here (though you might), but sometimes just the mere act of writing down how you really feel is helpful. I’m sorry none of the AD’s has worked for you. I have trouble with them too, but mostly because they induce manic episodes. Please try to remember that you are *not* worthless, and who and how you are right now is okay. It’s not your fault anyway. Hope you keep writing, and sharing some stuff. People are pretty good listeners here. And please take care of yourself. Welcome again, Lindsay — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
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I’m alone right now and feel the need to put my feelings into words to others that may know how I feel, especially around this time of the year. When I see happy couples and families together all the feelings of aloneness and depression wash over me.
I think there are quite a few people in ASD that feel the same way. Not all are going home to a happy thanksgiving. Keep talking. We’ll be here to listen. I have a problem with extreme shyness and social phobia too so the Holiday season is especially hard to get through especially since I have no social network around me. My self-esteem is really low too.
I used to hate the holiday period at Uni. Three months without things to occupy my day. Scratching around for things to do. Having no one to do them with. Spending lots of time by the beach reading, not interacting with anyone. Very lonely. I feel so empty and wonder why I choose to go on. I can’t even remember a time when I felt happy and content. I’ve spent a lifetime being alone and leading an empty life.
You feel isolated and tired, there seems little reason to continue the stuggle. I’ve tried all the anti-depressants and they haven’t worked.
How long were you on them? You need to be on them at least three weeks before they have any noticeable affect and stay on them for at least four to six months before you stabilise. It’s important how you wean off too. If you come off suddenly you can actually make things worse. I just feel so worthless and that who I am is never good enoug I feel like I’ve run out of answers.
These are signs of depression you know. Its hard to see anything positive when you are under the weight of depression. The joy and positivity is sucked out of you and you become a big black hole. As I said keep talking to us. I’m finding checking my email and reading the posts is helping me to go on. Julie
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I’m alone right now and feel the need to put my feelings into words to others that may know how I feel, especially around this time of the year. When I see happy couples and families together all the feelings of aloneness and depression wash over me. I have a problem with extreme shyness and social phobia too so the Holiday season is especially hard to get through especially since I have no social network around me. My self-esteem is really low too. I feel so empty and wonder why I choose to go on. I can’t even remember a time when I felt happy and content. I’ve spent a lifetime being alone and leading an empty life. I’ve tried all the anti-depressants and they haven’t worked. I just feel so worthless and that who I am is never good enough. I feel like I’ve run out of answers.
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Hi Christopher, Welcome to the group! I’m new here too and the group has offered some great advice to me. Some of it I don’t want to hear but they are usually right. I noticed your youthful age and that you’ve been depressed for one quarter of your life which is an awful lot. I was very happy to see that you are doing something about it now. I am 53 years young/old and wish that I had done something earlier on in life to deal with the issues that cause my depression and anxiety. I started on Paxil about three weeks ago and am being assessed by a counsellor. I’ve only had one meeting with her so far and my next one is on Monday. I opened up to a complete stranger and covered a lot during our one hour meeting. I was a little embarrassed in telling her some stuff from my early years but I decided that I was better to tell than not to tell. I’m hoping that you do the same when you visit your doctor by dealing with all of the things that upset you and find out why they are upsetting you. Take care…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lived with depression since i was 15, i am now 20.. Im just now deciding i should try to get help and to learn to live with depression.. I know there will be that breaking point if i dont get help now.. My name is christopher and im new to this group… I will be here often, and i will try to support others.. But please help me and teach me how to stop woorying so much of my problems, and help me learn how i should get some sleep.. I hate going to the psychiatrists, have to wait till december b4 i can get on meds.. Thank you for your time Sincerely Christoher
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snip My name is christopher and im new to this group
snip Hello Christopher, and welcome ) I’ve found that distraction often helps me; reading, old movies, walking, whatever my inclinations and energy suggest. Playing a musical instrument can be very cathartic (although not necessarily for the neighbours!), and listening to restfull music helps me to relax at night, even if I don’t get much sleep. — — Whiskers
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I have lived with depression since i was 15, i am now 20.. Im just now deciding i should try to get help and to learn to live with depression.. I know there will be that breaking point if i dont get help now.. My name is christopher and im new to this group… I will be here often, and i will try to support others.. But please help me and teach me how to stop woorying so much of my problems, and help me learn how i should get some sleep.. I hate going to the psychiatrists, have to wait till december b4 i can get on meds.. Thank you for your time
Dude, the best advice I can do is try doing the things you enjoy… Take a trip to a park, read a book. Go to an art gallery. Go sit in on a court hearing (call me a voyeur, but sometimes it’s fascinating if you get a good case). I’m struggling with depression too. I’m at my happiest when I’m deeply involved in something and I forget that I’m depressed. You know what I mean? So I spend my days reading and I try to write short stories. I keep a journal which really helps. I’ll take my journal places like cafes and pubs, and I’ll just sit and write in it and write about people and things I see. But the most important thing about a journal is that you get those things that buzz around in your head down on paper. When all those negative thoughts are concrete in front of you you can challenge them. Try writing positive things to cancel out the negative things. This helps a lot. If you have a negative thought, try and write a way around it… Like if I were to write "Everyone thinks I’m a loser"… I might write "Well, I’m not sure that *everyone* thinks I’m a loser, maybe I just think I’m a loser, and what needs to happen is that I change my thinking then I won’t feel like a loser" to counter it. I learnt this from cognitive behavioural therapy, it’s very helpful. I quit work and I’m on disability now because I think work was making me a lot more depressed… I’m just taking time to find my feet again so to speak. Maybe taking a holiday or something will help if you can… Even a drive out into the country for a day. I dunno, these are just suggestions. But as someone said before… Drugs and therapy help a great deal. I disagree that they are the only things that help. In fact I think they are more temporary measures you take in order to make the necessary lifestyle changes to overcome depression permanently… But I could be wrong. Oh yeah, and yoga. I haven’t done it in a while, but I found it really helps. It gets blood flowing to the head and it releases endorphins. Meditation helps too. (Once again I stopped doing it when I last crashed). It really clears your head when you have a good session. Gus. PS Don’t let get normal people get you down. Some of them are real assholes. I’ve learnt not to listen to them.
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I know only two way of getting over depression. Medication and therapy. Of course, there might be many factors in your environment which could be causing your depression (family, school, habits, etc.), but those are supposed to be dealt with in therapy. The support you can find here can help you bear with the illness and feel understood. So, welcome and I hope you feel soon at home. — Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Ran out of sandwiches. Besides, you ought to watch that waist.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lived with depression since i was 15, i am now 20.. Im just now deciding i should try to get help and to learn to live with depression.. I know there will be that breaking point if i dont get help now.. My name is christopher and im new to this group… I will be here often, and i will try to support others.. But please help me and teach me how to stop woorying so much of my problems, and help me learn how i should get some sleep.. I hate going to the psychiatrists, have to wait till december b4 i can get on meds.. Thank you for your time Sincerely Christoher
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I have lived with depression since i was 15, i am now 20.. Im just now deciding i should try to get help and to learn to live with depression.. I know there will be that breaking point if i dont get help now.. My name is christopher and im new to this group… I will be here often, and i will try to support others.. But please help me and teach me how to stop woorying so much of my problems, and help me learn how i should get some sleep.. I hate going to the psychiatrists, have to wait till december b4 i can get on meds.. Thank you for your time Sincerely Christoher
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Hi All Right now I’m feeling depressed, mainly because my brother said that I may have had a computer virus on my old PC. You see, I started to have problems with my IBM Aptiva 550 when I tried to empty out my e-mail trash. I called IBM and helped guide me through the recovery program. After a while, I got a message that my hard disk was full and couldn’t put any more files on the drive, so I tried to format the disk, with no success. When I explained this to my brother, he said that I had a computer virus on my hard drive (before that, I bought a new computer and was willing to give my old computer to my brother’s girlfriend). I’ve been feeling depressed since my brother told me this. I don’t know what to do get out of this. Any help is appreciated; thanks in advance. Christine
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Hi K-9 Thanks for the information; I appreciate it very much. However, right now I’m running Windows ME and my old computer was running Windows 3.1. I’ll be getting a new hard drive for my old computer and let my brother’s girlfriend use it. Christine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <howled
